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Published Date: 12 May 2008
HE TALKS tough about Scotland's booze shame, but now Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, has been forced to grovel to the brewers of the country's best-known lager.
The MSP apologised after referring to Tennent's as "cooking lager" during an interview. Senior figures from the company behind the drink, InBev UK, accused Mr MacAskill of being "at best flippant, and at worst derogatory" about a firm they say is committed to helping tackle the country's problems with alcohol.

Mr MacAskill vowed to rid the country of its record with alcohol abuse and the crime that stems from it. But in e-mails from him to the head of external relations of InBev – released under freedom of information laws – he admitted Tennent's was his "drink of choice". And Mr MacAskill even offered to make a public show of downing the lager.

The brief row erupted after he spoke in an interview in March about the nation's drink shame. In it, he said: "I was in the pub the other Friday night with my son. I had three pints of Tennent's cooking lager and a glass of wine when I got home."

But the remarks angered the brewing firm and Rob Bruce, then the company's head of external affairs, wrote directly to the justice secretary.

Mr Bruce said: "Do you think it's appropriate for a Scottish Government minister to talk in such a derogatory way about Scotland's only indigenous lager brand of note? A lager brand that supports hundreds of jobs?

"One that has arguably been instrumental in creating a modern cultural landscape our country can be proud of? A brand which has been the longest-running commercial supporter of football in this country?

"Do you think your comment was appropriate? Helpful? Did it add anything to your message about responsible drinking?

"It is a shame that it's about you being at best flippant, and at worst derogatory, about a brand which is committed to helping you and your government tackle our nation's drinking problem."

Mr MacAskill responded to the e-mail within just six minutes – and asked to be reminded of what he had said. He then wrote: "It (Tennent's] is my drink of choice and if I said something inadvertently then I unreservedly apologise. I don't need persuaded of what you guys do."

Mr Bruce said, "call us anything else except Tennent's lager being cooking lager", and within 20 minutes relations had been smoothed over.

The justice secretary stated: "Very sorry. It was meant as a whimsical aside and reference to higher ABV (alcohol by volume] continental drinks that I now don't touch. I accept that it was out of order – so sorry once again. It was actually meant to be supportive though misplaced.

"Happy to sup a pint for you sooner or later … happy to be seen with your product as that's what I consume in Leslies Bar."

Mr Bruce accepted the apology and suggested a meeting over a "pie and pint". Mr MacAskill offered a coffee at Holyrood. Mr Bruce has since left InBev and was unavailable for comment last night.

A spokesman for the Scottish Government said: "While the justice secretary is well aware of the need to tackle Scotland's cultural problem with alcohol, he also recognises that alcohol is part of our culture.

"The industry has a key role to play in helping to combat our binge-boozing culture and we welcome the opportunity to work with them to tackle the complex issues surrounding alcohol."

BATTLING THE BOOZE BINGE

KENNY MacAskill, the justice secretary, has made alcohol abuse and Scotland's binge-drinking culture a focus of his first year in the post.

Just last week he warned that the time for excuses for a "bevvy culture" had passed.

He said: "We cannot go on as we are – the damage in our communities, as well as to our health and economy, is too great.

"We need each and every Scot to stop, think about and, if necessary, reduce their own alcohol consumption."

The justice secretary has said the Scottish Government will not shy away from tough action on the issue, despite opposition from some parts of the alcohol industry. There have already been moves in the Scottish Parliament to end cheap pub deals.

The government is drawing up an alcohol strategy, but seems unlikely to raise the legal drinking age from 18 to 21. A higher age limit on the purchase of drink, as well as setting minimum prices to bring an end to "cheaper than water" discount deals from shops and supermarkets have been proposed by campaigners.






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1

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:06:17
This is typical of the SNP, they hate Scotland, they are pessimistic weaklings who are the prime example of the Scottish cringe.

You don't hear the American Government slagging off budweiser do you? I think Scotland deserves optimism and the right to be proud of our country and produce, MacAskill is typical of the SNP cringe.
2

I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:12:04
I believe that Kenny MacAskill farted last Thursday.

I await with interest the Scotsman's front-page scoop on this.

Hopefully there will be no photo illustrating the story .
3

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:13:31
MacAskill only has a 2:2 from Edin Uni.

How can Scotland have confidence in a Justice minister with a lower second class education? We deserve better.

What's MacAskill preaching to me for anyway? He's the one that got arrested for brawling when drunk is he not?

Yes sir, failed academically, like a drink and a fight, but bored with Labour? Join the SNP. Preserving Scotland's right to poor government.
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senza nome,

12/05/2008 00:17:11
He's right.Compared to many continental lagers, it's awful.
6

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:20:45
4 Fakey

You forgot to remove you location you fool.

You are typical of the free-speech hating nationalist.

A SNP minister who was arrested for being drunk and disorderyl preaching to the electorate about drinking too much!
7

Teofilio Cubillas,

12/05/2008 00:25:03
Mr Bruce said: "Do you think it's appropriate for a Scottish Government minister to talk in such a derogatory way about Scotland's only indigenous lager brand of note? A lager brand that supports hundreds of jobs? "One that has arguably been instrumental in creating a modern cultural landscape our country can be proud of?

Yes, seeing these jakies lying in their own p1sh on the benches in Hunter Square and Register Front after a few cans of Tennants Super Lager makes me proud of Tennant's role in creating our modern cultural landscape. A message to Mr Bruce -stop being so precious and hypocritical - you sell bevvy, nothing more than that. To Kenny MacAskill - start drinking Deuchars IPA or a proper beer - Big T's for schemies and wee laddies.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:27:15
Can you picture Tennants reconciling themselves with MacAskill? Maybe they can do an advert, it might go a little something like this...

Camera opens on a football tournament in England.

In rolls a Scottish MSP KMcA, he is drunk out of his tiny and thick skull and mouthing off about how much he hates the English.

In steps a Bobby on the neat and arrests him.

The advert finished with a drunken MSP sitting in a London jail cell, head in hands eyes blood-shot.

"Drink responsibly" This message is supported by Tennents and Kenny MacAskill SNP, brewing hypocrasy since 1864.

10

Steve,

Bo'ness 12/05/2008 00:28:15
Is this what passes as "politics" when Labour are up to their necks in it? A welcome distraction I suppose. No wonder Scotsman sales are plummetting.
11

Steve,

Bo'ness 12/05/2008 00:29:51
Alfred, 6 posts already.. you're like a praying mantis ready to pounce on the slightest negative SNP headline.
What a saddo!
12

Vivas,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 00:29:54
Don't be sorry Kenny. Scottish lager is total and utter p1sh as any fool doth know.

I'll bet the author of this article, "Tristan Stewart-Robertson" has never let it pass his lips and would probably declare it to be "beastly" in a squeaky toff-type voice. Sounds like a Pimms No 1 man to me...
13

I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:30:30
RE: Alfred E Neuman - this ID is of course taken from a comic book character. The comic book is called "MAD".

Both these facts tell us all we need to know.
14

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:35:33
17 Wardog

Is some SNP worshipper honestly going to deny that Kenny MacAskill was arrested for being drunk and disorderly?

And he spends his days preaching to the majority of people who have never been arrested for being drunk and disorderly.

What is your opinion on this flagrant hypocrasy?

Are you going to defend a government class that goes areound getting drunk and being arrested but demands millions of people who have drunk responsibly their whole lives get taxed more because of his crimes?

Kenny does the crime, but he fines you £0.50p a can for it, what a cheek.
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I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:38:57
19.

Im certain the f art emanating from your anal "orafus" will make more sense than anything that comes out of the orifice under your nose!
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12/05/2008 00:41:16
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:47:15
Alfred E Neuman says...
"You don't hear the American Government slagging off budweiser do you? I think Scotland deserves optimism and the right to be proud of our country and produce, MacAskill is typical of the SNP cringe."

I'm waiting for some optimism from you Alfie. I must have read hundreds of your posts containing only pessimism and personal attacks.

Go on. You can do it.

19

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:47:37
21 Fakey (I'm not a madam)

Have you read up on Scientology and "fair-gaming".

That is what you are doing, trying to trick and deceive and cause harm.

Scary! You need to chill out and stop worshipping the SNP.

They have elected a drunken criminal, who was a Scottish minister at the time of getting drunk and committing a crime while under the influence, to preech to responsible and peaceful citizens.

If you cannot accept this as obviously relevant to the story and feel the need to trample on free-debate, you need to ask yourself some werious questions.

Although Alex Salmond did write to Robert Mugabe to express concerns on some issues that Salmond would like to explore common ground against the English, so I guess you are just short on role models for tolerance of free-speech.
20

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:48:20
Alfred E Neuman says...
"You don't hear the American Government slagging off budweiser do you? I think Scotland deserves optimism and the right to be proud of our country and produce, MacAskill is typical of the SNP cringe."

I'm waiting for some optimism from you Alfie. I must have read hundreds of your posts containing only pessimism and personal attacks.

Go on. You can do it.

21

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:49:33
Andrew BOD

What do you think of the SNP electing someone who has committed drunken crimes preaching to peaceful and responsible citizens?

For some reason there is a shortage of SNP worshippers ackowledging the obvious hypocrasy.

Do they throw you out the cult if you accept reality?
22

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:49:34
Sorry about the repeat - keyboard problems
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:51:55
Andrew BOD

As long as your not drunk.

I know how you SNP types shun native produce for that continental stuff you like.
24

I'm Not a Madam, I'm A Concierge!,

Rutherglen 12/05/2008 00:52:24
I'm bowing out on this thread.

Alfie boy is obviously deranged.
25

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 00:57:38
28

You mean you got caught faking me by leaving "Rutherglen" in the location at 3 and are too cowardly to acknoweldge the failings of the SNP.

Namely they have a Scottish cringe advertising other countries beverages as far superior, a SNP MSP who also was arrested for being drunk and disorderly preaching to peaceful and responsible citizens, and the same man with a second class lower education behind him in charge of justice.

I don't understand why an SNP worshipper cannot admit that?
26

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 00:59:43
25 Alfred E Neuman

I suppose I felt a bit uncomfortable when I heard about his past incident. However, I suspect he is driven by the lessons he has learned personally and is tackling our alcohol problem head on. That to me shows a degree of courage which is lacking in other politicians with similarly colourful pasts, i.e. Lord Foulkes.

See. No hypocrisy. No spin. Just honesty. Come join the 'cult' Alfred.
27

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 01:02:17
30 Andrew

When you say "our alcohol problem head on" I presume you are referring to the SNP.

I certainly do not have an alcohol problem, but accept many in the SNP do, up to and including the Justice minister who has been arrested for being drunk and disorderly.
28

Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 01:04:45
32 Alfred

When I say "we", I mean Scotland. That's where I live anyway. Maybe you do not. Scotland clearly has a well researched alcohol problem which does need to be tackled 'head on'.
29

Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 01:20:50
33 Andrew BOD

I think one of the reasons we have such a bead alcohol problem is because we let MSPs who become drunken criminals keep their jobs.

The SNP in promoting a drunken disorderly arresstee to "Justice Minister" of all things has sent out a clear message that even in public office it is okay to get sh!t faced and become abusive on our streets.

By ducking the question, as you and the the other SNP bam-pots will all so you show your unbridled support for getting drunk and being abusive.
30

Navvy,

12/05/2008 01:20:51
Hey Kenny was right

Lager is for girls and *oofters
31

Vivas,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 01:51:40
I offer a partial retraction to Tristan, seems he's Canadian and (probably therefore) not a squeaky voiced toff after all.

However, he should DEFINITELY recognise p1sh lager !

32

SilverShred,

in the jamjar 12/05/2008 02:37:15
What law school did old Alfie, go to then?

Thing is, if he had gone to one, he would know that a 2:2 is the degree classification of around 60-75 per cent of law graduands of MacAskill's vintage ie it is the norm.

He would also know that being arrested does not make you guilty of anything, far less make you a criminal. We have judicial process for that.
Tut tut.
33

Justin Time,

Fettes Avenue 12/05/2008 03:00:33
Why is this on this website, reported as if it is a story of interest?

For at least the last 15 years, I and all of my friends have referred to Tennent's Lager as 'cooking lager'. When someone goes to the bar and asks what your having, the response it usually 'just get me a cooking lager'. It is in no way meant to be derogatory to the beer as WE ALL drink it!

As for those who are going on about MacAskill being in the wrong, please get a life. You should be doing something that the Scotsman also needs to do and that is to try to get back in touch with mainstream Scottish society!
34

Guga II,

Rockall 12/05/2008 03:12:50
So the total waste of space, Kenny MacAskill, has dropped himself rght in it once again.

This is the well known waste of space, drinker and brawler who doesn't want to gaol anyone under the age of 18, even if they are violent neds and thugs. He probably wants to give them a slap on the wrist and send them on an overseas holiday.

This is the well known waste of space who wants to up the age limits for drinking, and force up the price of alcohol, in order to control under age drinking. As if either of these measures will do anything other than penalise ordinary people going about their lawful pursuits.

This is the waste of space that can't do anything about overcrowding in our prisons, other than let violent criminal be sent to open prisons, where they can, and do walk out as they please.

This man is a menace, and will cause severe damage to Scotland and the Scottish people if he is not brought under control or, preferably, booted out of his job for which he is manifestly unsuited.

He is a total waste of space, and betrays his earlier Labour party brainwashing with his tendency to promote knee-jerk reactions to things. Wee Eck, do us a favour and get rid of him before he doeas any real damage.
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DunCraig,

Brisbane 12/05/2008 03:47:03
Tennents Lager = Chateau Pis du Chat 2010! I used to love it, a LONG time ago. These days, give a REAL lager any day, whether it be Dutch, Belgian, Danish, German or our local brews, Cascade Premium or Boag's Premium!
36

somerferg,

Perth 12/05/2008 04:28:59

What a storm in a small glass of awful tasting beer. A non story from a non newspaper. Only outdone in the idiotic stakes by the purine ramblings of A E.N
37

Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/05/2008 05:48:17
It IS cooking lager, the same applies to Fosters & Carlsberg.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 12/05/2008 05:52:23
32 - "I certainly do not have an alchol problem" .
Just have tae take yer word for it Alf !
Where's Lords Foulkes and Watson this morning ?
39

Itchy,

12/05/2008 06:59:24
Salmond should fire Macaskill. He is a loose cannon with an obsession about booze and he thinks he is living in the Soviet Union.
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yockel,

12/05/2008 07:15:15
#28 SilverShred you agree with Alfred then? MacAskill is at best average.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 07:20:00
What a disgrace for what purports to be serious paper to publish a rubbish story like this.

This is what one expects to see in the likes of The Record and The Sun.

Incidentally. I almost fell off my chair laughing om saturday while reading the hypocritical crap in the supplement extolling the 'quality' and 'fairness' of The Scotsman's journalism.

Obviously written by your Cloud Cuckoo Land correspondent.
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Doug Morrison,

Inverness 12/05/2008 07:21:55
The thing is - MacAskill is right. It's fizzy chemical muck. If that's what you like, fine: but if it's beer you like, then go for a real beer (many brewed in Scotland) crafted by real brewers from natural ingredients with pride.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 12/05/2008 07:25:52
"The brief row erupted after he spoke in an interview in March"

Oh, Scotsman. Shame on you. And all credit to McAskill, a politician actually capable of immediately admitting it and apologising when he makes a mistake.
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jdships,

12/05/2008 07:27:51
Interesting to note how a story that carries even just a tadge of criticism of the SNP immediately brings out the " we can never be wrong" brigade who blame the newspaper and everything else but the person(s) involved.
Macaskill made a mistake in saying what he did it's not the end of the world but why can't it be accepted ?
45

jdships,

12/05/2008 07:30:14
53 Wardog,Buckie
Why buy it/read if you feel that way?
It's just like TV/PC you know ! If you don't like what is on switch off/ delete.

46

Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 07:36:11
But, but, but he's right it is cooking lager.
47

yockel,

12/05/2008 07:51:00
#55 jdships in politics stating an obvious truth can be more than a mistake. It can be a display of utter incompetence.

Guga, what's this about his Labour roots? Apart from being overtly obvious,none of his bios mention it.
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Boggle fey the Bog,

12/05/2008 08:06:27
56 Independence? Bring it On!,12/05/2008 07:36:11

Aye an tastes like cauld p is h, an their Heavy is even worse!!!

Ah see Alfie's no takin his tablets again, whit a poor wee sorry excuse fur a person.
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Iain green,

12/05/2008 08:07:06
Alfie, you really should learn to spell words like 'hypocrisy' before you try to demonstrate your intellectual grasp.
Similarly, learn to use commas appropriately.
I understand that you refer to yourself as a student.
If you want to, send me your essays for editing; I'll be more than happy to correct any errors before you embarrass yourself further in front of your fellow students.
Any application for employment I might receive from you which contained these errors would end up in the bin.
As for Macaskill - so what? He got arrested - no charges brought.
If you're going to dig up ancient history for cheap slurs, I suggest you've got to find better things to do with your time.
Like studying grammar and spelling, for example.
50

Loki - The Scourge of the Schemies,

EH1 12/05/2008 08:09:11
#3 Alfred the Grate
Yes sir, failed academically,

#25 Alfred the Greet
the obvious hypocrasy.

For "hypocrasy" try 'hypocrisy'!
51

Iain's,

12/05/2008 08:15:38
Why is it drunks always seem to be cuddling a can of Tennants Super lager?
OK the truth hurts but shurely the booze trade has to accept some responsibility for drunkeness.

p-s. I would NEVER use Tennants lager for cooking.
52

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 12/05/2008 08:19:31
#54 Heavens, you're an idiot. Who here has defended McAskill? Everyone, including him, admits his comments were mistake (not necessarily untrue as such, but unwise) and he apologised for it within minutes. What you call for is precisely what happened. The only people who could arguably be described as not "accepting it" are The Scotsman, dragging it up and putting it on the front page two months after it was done and dusted and everyone was pals again.
53

Rabhairt,

Cannons Creek Australia 12/05/2008 08:25:25
What an idiot, Tennents is a bl**dy good drop, however I may try cooking my porridge in it tomorrow, thanks for the idea you drop kick.
54

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 08:27:08
We pillory politicians when they don't tell the truth and (as in this case) we pillory them when they do tell the truth.
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bob barley,

12/05/2008 08:27:37
#59
"Alfie, you really should learn to spell words like 'hypocrisy' before you try to demonstrate your intellectual grasp."

Iain green or Iain Green?
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The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 12/05/2008 08:34:03
Although McAskill has shown a lack of judgement again, Tennents lager is indeed 'cooking lager'. It is cheap, and it tastes cheap, therefore it is suitable for cooking purposes. I prefer a glass of 'wife-beater'.
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Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 12/05/2008 08:34:08
I don`t know anyone who likes Tennents lager.
58

Tynietiger,

12/05/2008 08:34:50
Though I think Tennants tastes like p*sh, daft comment by MacAskill
59

The Tin Man,

Over the Rainbow 12/05/2008 08:37:44
#48 Wardog

"He's done more in the last 12 months to curb anti-social drinking than labour or the tories (echo echo echo) have done in the last 28 years"

Please enlighten me about what he has done.
60

Bob M,

12/05/2008 08:39:15
I haven't agreed with much that MacAskill has said about alcohol recently, but he's right on the money here.

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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 08:43:33
'Mr Bruce said: "Do you think it's appropriate for a Scottish Government minister to talk in such a derogatory way about Scotland's only indigenous lager brand of note?'

Indigenous???

I didn't know that this was how you spell pi$$water.

Anyone who thinks that Tennents tastes good needs a serious 'kicking'. Kenny is right to describe it as cooking lager. It's only good for winos and sixteen year olds. No serious beer afficianado would touch the stuff with a bargepole. The Weegies are welcome to it.

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Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/05/2008 08:48:30
Hello All,

The bottom line is that the minister is totally bereft of any intelligence: he still refuses to accept the FACT that the problems of alcoholism arise from INDIVIDUALS failing to exercise some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Heroin is available. Crack is available. Ecstasy is available.

NONE of them are legal to manufacture. NONE of them are legal to possess. NONE of them can be bought from any supermarket shelf.

Despite all of these facts, Scotland STILL has a serious problem arising from people using these and other drugs.

What's the minister going to do, declare war on Turkey, Columbia, Bolivia, etc., because those countries either produce or allow conduits for the transport of those drugs?

Until the Politically Correct mindless dweebs in the public pull their heads out, and rational people put pressure on political hacks like the minister, NOTHING will change.

People who drink too much (and get stoned on drugs) are the CAUSE of the crime, accidents, injuries, and deaths, NOT the brewers, not the supermarkets, and not the advertising agents promoting the booze.

Just because something is for sale, that does NOT mean you have to buy it.

Cheers from the Rockies
63

It's me!,

12/05/2008 08:53:07
If Tennents lager was any good people would buy it in preference to foreign brands. But it isn't so they don't.
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Melly,

Sussex 12/05/2008 09:01:57
Strange that the events happened in MARCH !! Presumably Kenny MacAskell didn`t release the emails so we can anly assume it was InBev UK so why have they released these now? Is this a diversionary tactic `cos Wendy`s in trouble again ? Personally I can`t stand any of these mass market crappy lagers and if I had my way I`d ban them.
65

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 09:19:57
77 Alasdair
I've been in Italy many times and I was in Rome last year. I haven't seen Tennents lager once. What kind of bar did you frequent?
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Stuart M,

Stoney 12/05/2008 09:21:11
Tennents Lager ...

When I was 18 or 19 I use dto think it was nectar ....

I stopped drinking it about 20 years ago ... went onto real ales. I used to like Tennents Gold Bier it was a decent lager. Tried a pint or two of Tennets Lager the past two months in a fit of nostalgia... it was rotten... didnt even taste of beer.. could not finish the last one. So either my taste buds have improved with age (unlikey as it would appear to be the only thing that has) .. or the beer quality has gone down hill. My money is on the latter.

I'll stick with Deuchars IPA.

Slainte

Stuart M
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cleaning the bathroom,

up on the roof 12/05/2008 09:22:26
well it obviously shows Mr Rob Bruce doesn't have a sense of humour when Tennents is referred to as 'cooking lager'! Jeez - get a grip! lighten up, have a pint of cooking lager - whoops! sorry....
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Stuart M,

Stoney 12/05/2008 09:27:04
Alasdair ...

I belive that Tennents Lager and Carling are the same beer, Carling certainly was brewed at Wellpark (might not be now) so its all a marketing scam. I try and buy a lager brewed in the country that it comes from.. not a brewed under license imitation. Stopped drinking, Grolsch, Stella, Carlsberg, Heinekin for this reason... ...

:-)
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Filosofo,

Kirkcaldy 12/05/2008 09:30:27
Actually, I like Tesco Value lager. It's only 22 pence a tin and 2% alcohol, so you can guzzle 2 or 3 tins of an evening without worrying about getting drunk, and it tastes great.
I used to be a big drinker, so I know what the good stuff tastes like, and this stuff is worth trying...
70

Doh,

12/05/2008 09:33:14


I dont usually agree with Kenny McKegswill but lets face it it is cooking lager. Mind you not very clever dissing his voters favourite tipple.
71

Southsider71,

East Renfrewshire, Glasgow 12/05/2008 09:43:35
Tennent's lager is the buckfast of lagers...vile stuff
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Horrible Cankers at the Cyber Shebeen,

12/05/2008 09:49:57
Tennents are committed to doing something about the Nations alcohol problem..

?

Is this the same 'Tennents' that used to coach 'guests' from Glasgow's down and out hostels into the brewery for a guided tour and sampling session...

What clever marketing, like Nestle's and baby milk eh?
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Norman,

12/05/2008 09:55:19
I'd have thought someone arrested for being drunk might know what he's talking about. He'll have a better insight into the results of over-drinking than many others. Course he can never live up to the paragons of virtue that inhabit these pages or write for them...

Everytime I see a can of Tennent's lying in some waste ground, or some of their bright packaging by the side of the road, I think thank goodness there's a company that's "committed to helping tackle the country's problems with alcohol."

Honestly, what are they on?
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Ugly George,

12/05/2008 09:55:23
86 Alasdair
This is, indeed, very strange. I too was staying in Trastavere. I had an appartment just off Via Emilio Morosini and, as I said, I never saw Tennents lager. Perhaps my eyesight had suffered from too much grappa.
I agree with you about the Whisky though.
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Iain MS,

Newcastle - North of Hadrian's Wall 12/05/2008 10:02:38
Mr Rob Bruce talks of "...... Scotland's only indigenous lager brand OF NOTE?". Is that not, in turn, derogatory of the other Scottish produced lagers?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 10:03:45
I remember Norseman.Now THAT was cooking lager
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Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 10:04:09
Tennants Lager is disgusting.

The only lagers worth drinking are German Pilseners.
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Miss H,

12/05/2008 10:05:56
That this is considered a story is bizarre enough. That 91 people feel obliged to comment is even stranger.

I wonder what flavour crisps Kennny likes best...
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Son of Loki,

The Dark Side 12/05/2008 10:06:45
Tennants helping to tackle Scotland's alcohol problem!

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha don't make me larf!

Dad says you've to stay alive people, it's the only way to live

Loki jnr
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/05/2008 10:13:54
#94 Agreed with you - it's looks like pee and it tastes like pee.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 10:15:19
95 Miss H

You don't accept that this an example of the SNP and their Scottish cringe.

All I have heard is how much better foreign countries are, how bad we Scots are. Surely Scotland deserves more than Nanny MacAskill, surely we should be free to make our own decision locally about whether to order another pint, and free from the shame the SNP force down our throats in ordering a tennemants lager if we want one?

Free Scotland from this cringe's bile and hypocrisy.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 10:16:14
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Phil C,

12/05/2008 10:18:07
If I want a refreshing, easy pint on a hot day, I have to admit to seeking out Tennents! Much nicer than the foreign stuff IMO. Just one mind, before switching to a heavier bevvy for the others.

On a more serious note though, I thought I'd find a lot more unionistas having a go here. This is the kind of petty story that gets them frothed up normally. They're obviously avoiding the papers today. Wonder why!

On an even more serious note I feel that MacAskill is taking his crusade against drink a bit far. I agree that the bevvy-culture that exists in Scotland is a disease. I'm all for the tighter regulation against under-age drinking. Education starts with the young. I'm all for tough punishments for those who don't learn and continue to over-indulge, causing damage to people or property.

I'm very much against the use of crackdowns on promotions of drink. Using price to 'punish' the small irresponsible minority will alienate many and will dilute the good that MacAskill is trying to do, by causing bad feeling. There's nothing wrong with responsible drinking and our alcohol is already taxed much more than most of Europe. Those who need their bevvy will still buy it, and their families will suffer even more than they do now.
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 12/05/2008 10:22:47
#85 Ah, dear AM2. It's hilarious to watch you hiding away making weak jokes on threads like this, while staying away from the explosive issue in UK politics that's been happening for the last week. Not sure whose instructions to follow between Gordon and Wendy when choosing your position?
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Big Eddie,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 10:28:39
Alfie,

Your comment #100 is the first sensible thing you've said all day.
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Phil C,

12/05/2008 10:30:40
#104

:)
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Rambo_the_Jambo,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 10:45:18
Mr Rob Bruce talks of "...... Scotland's only indigenous lager brand OF NOTE?".

Note to Rob Bruce.........................Try Caledonian Brewery's own brand of lager, 'Golden Promise'.

I don't drink lager but this stuff is pure nectar, and far superior to that Jakey Pi$$water produced by Tennents.
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BIG EYE,

Paisley 12/05/2008 10:46:28
I have heard it all now!

Unionists want to compare the education of the Labour and SNP MSP's oh yes please let's go there.

We don't need any test, in the lats twelve months we have seem more intelligence and sense from the SNP that in fifty years fom the Labour Party.

And as for mastermind Wendy now that brains for you!
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John B Dick,

12/05/2008 10:51:26
I used to have a high opinion of Kenny MacAskill.

Now that I know that he drinks Tennants Lager I wonder about the quality of his his judgement on other matters is as poor.

I havn't had a glass of it for about 40 years, but I'm going to risk a half pint to find out how much it has improved.

The brewery was located at Wellpark because of the quality of the water from a well at the bottom of the hill where the cemetary is, but now uses water from the mains. That's why there used to be more body in the beer.
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Keir Hardie,

Inverness 12/05/2008 11:05:08
#8 Of all the beers I've tried Deuchars IPA is my favourite, I wouldn't drink Tennants either.
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Scotsman in Dublin,

12/05/2008 11:09:12
What a total nons-story, minister makes a quip about tennants (like loads of Scottish people do) then apologises unreservedly within 20 mins of being picked up on it. So what. How did the Scotsman manage to make a story of this - must be a slow news day.

#101, spot on, totally agree. Not my favorite beer but Tennants is the perfect thirst quencher.

Loads of great beers in Scotland.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/05/2008 11:13:51
#1 Alf

Patent nonsense as usual.
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 12/05/2008 11:15:36
Typical humourless unionistas.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 11:16:14
Such snobbery from the SNP.

If a Scot wants a pint of Tennenants, why should they be ridiculed for it?

Does the SNP dislike grubby proles? It sures sounds that way, from the drunk and disorderly arresstee SNP minister for 'justice' all the way down the grass-roots snob.

All these SNP saddos trying to "keep up with the Jones'" for the sake of it.

I am reminded of the book American Psycho where every character is disgusting as the next with their pretentions. In one scene a women wolfs down a chocolate coated toilet soap that was given to her in a designer box and proclaims it delicious! Because she saw the label.

If you don't like tennents, don't drink it. But the hate filled control freaks from the SNP want to promote foreign produce, denounce Scots as Jakeys and get drunk and disorderly on their foreign preferences while taxing and castigating peaceful Scots who drink Scottish lager.

Normal SNP trash-talk, nonsensical, hypocritical, cringeworthy and full of hate and disgust for Scotland.
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john z,

edinburgh 12/05/2008 11:33:58
What a lot of hysterical nonsense by the Brewers. Ian MacAskill was quite correct.

What's the point of trying to pretend a citroen 2CV is a Rolls Royce. They are different goods for different functional roles.

We were hardly talking about vintage champagne.

Good free publicity for the drink concerned. I'm sure the Brewer was aware of that fact.

Pity MacAskill didn't stand by what he said.
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john z,

edinburgh 12/05/2008 11:34:51
Number 113,

What a load of anti-SNP blather.
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john z,

edinburgh 12/05/2008 11:41:36
To intentionally misquote number 83, filosofo,

"Actually, I like Tesco Value lager. It's only 22 pence a tin and 2% alcohol, so you can guzzle 2 or 3 tins of an evening without worrying about getting drunk, and it tastes great.
I used to be a big drinker, so I know what the good stuff tastes like, and this stuff is worth trying..."

By Wee stevie, aged 7 and three quarters (I'm nearly eight).
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Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 12/05/2008 11:53:23
#113 You're an SNP plant, aren't you, Alfred? Nobody could seriously spout the hysterical cobblers you come out with. McAskill said Tennent's was his choice of lager - that's hardly ridiculing the people who drink it, is it?
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:01:10
117 Rev

I can see why I was misunderstood having re-read my post.

I should have sais Nationalist posters on this site, or the SNP bloggers who try and spin balanced news stories for a living.

Read the SNP comments on this page, they blatantly accuse Scots of being jakeys who drink pi$$water.

Shameful snobbery.
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Exasperated,

Guildford 12/05/2008 12:02:09
NEUMANN, YER AN ERSE. Forgotten about well known unionist George Foulkes staggering around London, getting arrested? Yer a weak excuse of a teasmaid to the English, have to be ruled by another country - like the idea of Maggie caning yer erse for misbehaving do you? You clearly enjoy being dominated. Is your middle name Max??
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:02:35
117 Rev

Imagine teley's tea got a slagging? A unionist minister/poster prefers earl gray because they are not some shoddy prole, you people would explode.

I know how much Ayrshire Scot and Methalions/Miss H enjoy to "tea-bag".
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:06:15
119 Exasperated

Two wrongs do not make a right, no-one teach you that sonny?

Foulkes isn't preaching to me as Justice minister about the ills of drink right now, also no-one else apart from Ken ma Naeskills is trying to tax me more because of crimes he commmitted. Hence I just reserved my comments to him.

All this anger because you had a fleeting flash of insight into what your beloved SNP really is.

But you draw a good analogy MacAskill/Foulkes, and I agree. The SNP are just as bad as Labour, on that you will get no argument.
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Exasperated,

Guildford 12/05/2008 12:17:23
~121 well daddy, you're a fine one to preach about preaching! You getting everything wrong does not make a right, that's for sure. I also know that people should take responsibility for their own actions/decisions and not bend over to suit another country's interests.
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Afromonkey,

Darkest Leith 12/05/2008 12:18:59
#113 "Such snobbery from the SNP". You can talk, berating the Justice minister because he "only got a 2/2 from Edinburgh University". I suppose being a moron gives you some excuse, but before you accuse others of hypocrisy, maybe you should try to spell the word (your post #24). As the real Alfred E,. Neuman has said: "Most people don't act stupid: it's the real thing!"
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:25:35
123 Afromonkey

Spelling is independent of Inteligence.

Snobbery is looking down on someone for no good reason. Criticising a Justice minister for having failed a law course to such an extent that no respectable law form would hire him is valid criticism.

If I mispell hypocrit it doesn't effect the reality that Kenny MacAskill is one.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:28:48
Kenny MacAskill is on the record as saying "polluter pays" when it comes to alcohol.

How much did he donate to the metroplotian police to compensate them from the cost of policing, arresting, processing and holding him in a cell?

My guess is none, but he'll gladly spread the costs to wider society of people like him while contributing nothing himself.

He was a polluter, he didn't pay. Maybe his previous problems with booze and second lower class education are linked. He must have learned that behaviour somewhere?
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Afromonkey,

12/05/2008 12:39:22
You're such a droll tw@! Here's another Alfred E. quote for you:
"When you're in deep water it's a good idea to keep your mouth shut!"
And if you've got just an iota of sense, you really should refrain from making libelous
remarks about people, but especially lawyers. They can, I'm told, be a tad litigious. Last time I checked, stupidity was no excuse.
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Calum Crubag,

12/05/2008 12:43:04
Well said Kenny. Tennents is cac. Scotland can do better than this.
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Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 12/05/2008 12:45:15
Alfred E. Neuman - I hope you're just a wind-up merchant? If not, your comments really come across poorly - don't think you're in a position to be critical about the behaviour or education of others.
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Bill the Baboon,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 12:45:17
Well the Scotsman's "Editor" obviously likes his sherry judging by the a**e he's made of today's crossword. This happens to frequently in this rag.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:45:32
126

Last time I checked Veritas was a valid defence.

You can't defame someone with the truth. I appreciate you are an SNP worshipper who hates freedom of speech and makes threatening comments to discourage people from partaking in free-speech.

But Kenny MacAskill has been arressted for being drunk and disorderly. The man is a hypocrit in that regard with his continued holier-than-thou preachings.

Kenny MacAskill does have a lower second class law education that would prohibit from applying for a traineeship at Scotland's prestigious law firms, they require at least a 2:1.

It is a valid opinion to demand more from our politicians.

I think you hate freedom in others, I think it makes your blood boil that I free to think, to speak and disagree with you and the SNP. Those are worrying traits my friend, you'd do well to wind your neck in.
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Calum Crubag,

12/05/2008 12:45:40
Alfred's idea of a good Scotland is forcing Scots to accept mediocrity... like crap lager... Wanting independence doesnt mean you need to accept everything we produce. Whisky is great and world famous. Tennents isnt.

How dare people, especially foreigners, come here with good beer, food and lifestyles!

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antifa,

12/05/2008 12:49:02
Christ - what a lot of nonsense on this thread.

The only interesting thing about this story is the way the minister dealt with Tennents.

The email from the firm's PR was really quite rude.

In response, MacAskill was willing to go on television to advertise this appalling swill.

"Happy to sup a pint for you sooner or later".

It's embrassing that politicians have to crawl around big business in this way.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 12:50:12
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/535592.stm

There is the story for everyone to read.

Scotland v England Euro qualifier no less, you can see why I man of MacAskills political presuasion may go overboard in drink fuelled rage.

Why didn't he sue the BBC for defamation I wonder? Oh, that's right, it's true!

The SNP hates freedom in others, imagine trying to threaten people for telling the truth.

Shameless.
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Afromonkey,

12/05/2008 12:51:37
#130 Your assumptions are - like you - quite wrong. I am no SNP voter. It's when people start spouting the sort of tosh you come out with that gets me going. You are a snob and, I suspect, a little deranged. It's a shame to mock the afflicted, so I will now stop. Tw@!
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Edward,

12/05/2008 13:05:17
Lets be honest Tennents Lager is an 'aquired' taste
I would like it to be the best beer there is going, but if I had a choice Tennents would figure low down
Having said that, it was remiss of Kenny to state the remark that he did. But given his due, he did appologise and that shold be the end of the matter
I find it funny though that the vocal Rob Bruce, the head of external affairs for InBev is no longer with InBev
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

12/05/2008 13:13:08
Tennants is the oldest lager brewed in the UK, set up in the late 1800's, admittedly it's not up to German/Czeck standards, but neither is Carling, Fosters', 4x etc., and I'd have Tennents to those any day.

It's the best of the "cooking lagers".
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 13:14:39
136 Scottish and proud

I think being able to enjoy a lager in the sun is a fundemental part of our society. I resent being taxed on that, I resent snobbery in others, I dispise hypocrisy, I believe in elitism for the top jobs.

Therefor when you weigh all these things up, I would not choose someone ...

Who has been arrested for being drunk and disorderly in and around what should be a family football stadium during an international match

Who does not have the qualifications required to obtain a traineeship at a prestigious law firm.

... to preach to me about drinking responsibly or what to do about legal matters.

You misquote me on the SNP thing, I was just referring to that afro guy. He's typical of the Nats on here, constantly throwing mud and attacking people without reason, then starts puking blood when valid and relevant criticisms of SNP ministers are made.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

12/05/2008 13:15:01
There are many good reasons for attacking Kenny MacAskill - but this isn't one of them.

He's only said what many others have said (or thought) before.
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Draconion,

Musselburgh 12/05/2008 13:16:42
Can't believe you have this as the lead on the Scotland webpage. I don't think he grovelled and I disagree with calling it "cooking lager", I think it's p!sh. If Kenny's statement in the article is true his taste in lager is execrable.

#1 et seq. Alfred E. Neuman.
This is the weird looking guy on the cover of "Mad" magazine. This character seems to have chosen a most apt nome de plume, as the guy's clearly a snob.

Also, he or she? is obviously totally barking as you can see their spelling geting worse as the diatribes continue, and the blood pressure rises.

I think it may be Whinedy in disguise.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 12/05/2008 13:18:40
Tennents Schmennents.

Besides German Pilseners and Belgium beers the only ones worthy of imbibing by the discriminating beer drinker are brewed in Canada.

The micro-breweries here are world-famous for the quality of their beers and have won many, many internatinal and national awards.

Even our run-of-the-mill beers such as Molson's Canadian, Labatt's Blue, or Molson Ex(port) are better than that dishwater swill they brew in the USA.

Our beers start at 5% alcohol and can go up to 11% alcohol with some beers brewed in La Belle Province du Quebec. Those frogs certainly know how to have a good time.

One or two of those "high-octane" beers and I am yours - within reason of course - and I am NOT a cheap date.
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South Ayrshire Sanny Hossack,

M6 heading South 12/05/2008 13:28:04
Tennants to send 2 million cans of lager to Manchester before wednesday and Blackpool up their order by an additional 800,000 cans if its so bad why are the English importing the stuff this week in such large volumes? Is McRascle going to Manchester on Wednesday? Have the police and interpal been advised? Have they re-painted the holding sells for the justice ministers visit? If you fly with the craws expect to get shot down with them.
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SmartYin,

Reigate 12/05/2008 13:46:08
Cooking lager?? I wouldn't use it to put a fire out never mind ruin good food (or even bad food) with it.

... and if MacAskill drinks in Leslies why is he drinking such rubbish. There are many far more interesting real ales than that over-chilled, over-gased, over-rated excuse for a lager.
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Neil Waugh,

Old Strathcona 12/05/2008 13:48:49
Any man who sups at Leslies can't be all bad. Sank one or two in there myself. My cousin used to live just up the road. (Fish and chips at Tony's after)
Now if you want p*sh, Molson Canadian's yer brew. Or worse, the fake Coors Light they hoodwink us with in Canada. Always gives me a blinding headache.
I'm a Big Rock man myself. Alberta rules.
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busbyfh,

12/05/2008 13:53:36
There is no way I would regard Tennants lager as cooking lager as I would not let it anywhere near my cooking. It is dreadful stuff. No one with even slightly discerning tastebuds would accept any of the UK's chemical driven cheapskate lagers.
Fosters,Tennants,Carling, Carlsberg,Stella,Kronenberg....the list goes on...As soon as a beer "recipe" is brewed under license in the UK it is ruined.
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Miss H,

12/05/2008 14:39:35
142 Is that a joke?

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Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 16:39:08
The one concerning thing about this article is not that MacAskill cracked a joke about a cheap pisshy lager, but that the Hootsman used Freedom of Information to get the emails they had obviously been told existed.

This works both ways, the SNP last week requested under FOI the telephone transcripts between the WENDY and Broon, when she claimed to Gordon Brewer that Brown agreed with her on the need for referendum. Personally I don't like this intrusion by either side when it is used for political point scoring.

This is something that the FOI czar should be looking at tightening up.
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bill-alba,

fife 12/05/2008 16:40:33
Alfred in your numerous posts about snp being control freaks etc..is that the new unionist ploy keep on repeating crap in the hope that someone believes it..(oops sorry its not a new ploy is it)
ps.. I am an SNP supporter but only to the point of independence, I am also a tennants lager drinker who thinks it tastes better than the other lagers...
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jkbritt,

Pantego, NC 12/05/2008 16:58:44
What about Bellhavens Best? I enjoyed drinking it while I was in Scotland.

John B.
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Allan(handofgod137),

12/05/2008 17:01:38
Really sad how that any story or poster which appears to mock or attack the s(cottish) n(umpty) party immediatly attracts the hoards of slavering cybernats who in attacking both the story and the posters show that the snp are indeed the tartan trots. Also if wee eck's so confidant that the majority of scots support independance, why doesn't he hold the referendum asap?
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Miss H,

12/05/2008 17:59:48
163 Lots of people get arrested for nothing. If everyone who was ever lifted by the police and was subsequently not charged with any offence decided to sue the police the justice systen would collapse under the weight of the complaints.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 18:22:29
164 Miss H

A bunch of professional sh!t-stirrers like the SNP pass up the chance to cause trouble over a MSP arrested at a Scotland v England game?

Pull the other one!

We both know the filth probably just sighed and let him go because it was minor and they don't want to prosecute ministers for the bad PR.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 18:25:31
166 Methalions

You just made that up. I bet you are really on your tenth tenements and settled down for a night of shooting the crap under various monikers.

Study is going fine thanks for asking, just 5 short weeks until I have the summer to myself.

How's the fantasy writing and the "on-line and social niche" networking (shall we call it) that you enjoy so much?
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Miss H,

12/05/2008 18:27:54
165 It's everyone's policy Ciderman. If you lived in the real world you might know that!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 18:35:41
The Scotsman has been making an a--- of the crossword for years now.

When I started doing the crossword in 1965 the clues were beautifully logical.

Nowadays they are cr-p and the thing is full of slang.

Oh for the days of Alan Cash, Robert Conisburgh and RFoderick Morrison.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 18:39:22
172 Methalions

Aye true enough, although in my defence there is never any talk of the hoos poos bar from me.

Did you see I'm not a madam... forking up faking me this morning? That tool left the Rutherglen part in accidently, highly amusing.

So if it's not you then he/she and there other multiple names is the real fake.

I remember when Tennents had naked ladies on the cans, used to get my cheapies finding them as a cub scout from when the older lads had been binge drinking down the woods. They have always marketed themselves at the lads (reads proles.)

Kenny MacAskill is right enough, for an extra £0.40p you can get a pint of Hoegaarden down these parts, no contest.

But he's still wrong criticise the culture of Scots, drinking a pint of Tennents after a days work down the pub with the regulars before returning home is nothing that needs to be ridiculed by government minister.

The minister has proven he thinks he belongs to the "Government class". Not long before he loses touch like the blairs and starts complain of the pressures of being refused a 26% pay-rise to cover the cost of a mortgage on a £3.6 million property.
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Alfred E. Neuman,

12/05/2008 18:54:49
180 Methalions

Very droll :)
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 18:56:11
169
Col.
I think Tennants are exploring the continental lagers market, with this "1885" I see plastered on bus shelters all over Edinburgh.
When they haven't got jakies plastered on superlager inside them.
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uno.who,

Livingston 12/05/2008 19:00:39
Who the f*** cooks with LAGER ? ... and how on earth did this ever become newsworthy ?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 19:03:17
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Isn't that what Ayrshire does?
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Rab haw,

12/05/2008 19:44:13
alfred you are hung up on degrees what did Churchill get? I know Kennedy(j) got the 3 but this is/was a non story on what most would take as an amusing quip you are really getting to the desperate stages.
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Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 20:07:36
#168

"Study is going fine thanks for asking, just 5 short weeks until I have the summer to myself."

Standards or Higher?
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Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 20:08:39
BTW Tristan Stewart-Robertson. Has he ever drank Tennants?


Tristan...sniggers up sleeve.
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Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 20:28:19
Was Baron George Foulkes von Cumnock arrested after biffing a policeman and assaulting an old woman when he was found paralytic in a London street? Or was he merely cautioned. Obviously alcohol problems run in his family, when his son was stopped and charged with drunken driving he bellowed at the arresting officers, "Don't you know who I am?"

At the time his mother was chair of Strathclyde Police Authority and dad MP for Cumnock and a junior Minister in Blairs government.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 20:30:21
So apologising is grovelling is it, eh Scotsman?

Does that mean this is a grovel for a "national newspaper"?

Anyway, I agree thet Tennents is cooking lager. I do not even believe that it is brewed as a lager, it's more like just a light coloured beer.

The best cooking lager is the cheapest psss you can get - it keeps for up to 5 days in the fridge ( once the can is opened) and still bubbles in the pan.

My favourite lagers are Estrella Dam, Jupiler, Becks and Nastro.

Tennents once did a nice one in a pint bottle but sadly no more.
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John PM,

Edinburgh 12/05/2008 20:39:08
There is no Scottish cringe but there is a very well developed unionist one which is based on an inferiority complex which runs a mile from the idea of normal powers for our country.

"Mr MacAskill even offered to make a public show of downing the lager."

This suggest Kenny would 'do a Gummer' (John Gummer forced his kids to munch hamburgers at the height of the BSE crisis) but in fact all he said was "Happy to sup a pint for you sooner or later … happy to be seen with your product as that's what I consume in Leslies Bar."

Ie he drinks the stuff NOT that he is offering a photo opportunity!

If this is all the Scotsman can dig up on Kenny, that he makes a little quip about a Scottish company and then immediately apologises! Pretty pathetic stuff.

An anonymous unionist troll writes: "This is typical of the SNP, they hate Scotland, they are pessimistic weaklings who are the prime example of the Scottish cringe."

Sure pal, keep taking the tablets. The SNP are the only party which puts Scotland first. They want equality for our country with other nations, what is wrong with that?!
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 20:40:08
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Col.
I've got a couple of the strong (7.6%) Budvars to try.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 20:48:38
198, Conan. You have just reminded me of something (don't ask me how). I bought a can of Deuchars IPA @ £1.37 from Tesco today and when I got it home and read the wording on the side it says, "
DEUCHARS IPA
(Deu-kers)

Comments please to Caledonian Brewery, Slateford road, EH1 1PH. http://www.caledonian-brewery.co.uk
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Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 20:51:33
#196 As amusing as all this is Pete, the big story that's been overlooked today is in the Herald and the Hootsman concerning an 11-13 year old Lanarkshire child who has developed korsakoff's Syndrome, which is normally found in alcoholic men aged 40-59. Yet neither have opened it for comment.

Dr William Morrison, consultant in emergency medicine said, "I am astounded that someone so young could have Korsakoff's Syndrome. I have never seen a case like this. This child has obviously had an excess alcohol intake, not over a few weeks but over several months or longer.

This is more evidence Scotland has an alcohol problem and we have an age group leading us towards a health crisis."


http://news.scotsman.com/scotland/Scots-child-diagnosed-with-rare.4071942.jp
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 20:58:58
201
Jock, My mate's local in Enfield got it in as a guest beer last summer.They were all mispronouncing it using the soft "ch", until we came in."Jookers" would be better than Deu-kers, surely.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 21:10:33
203, Conan, had the same problem in reverse in Co Durham. Only lager was Carling. Tried one (as in Rome). What a mistake that was. So I went onto the Deuchars IPA. Everytime I asked for one they went, "pardon". Duh. Thick or what?

I just e-mailed Caley brewery. You will find direct contact difficult and even then they will hold your details on a data base.

Remind me never to touch their products again.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 21:12:33
Alf, I usually drink real ale in the pub, but have bottled beers from all over the world at hame.
Some of them may be lagers, but they are neither poncy or yuppie(My what an old word, are you older than you sound?)
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 21:12:58
Alfred

Are you still on this thread? That's nearly 24 hours.

Remember you ridiculed McCaskill (about 21 hours ago) for only getting a 2:2 from Edinburgh Uni. Well at least HE has a job.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 21:19:22
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Journalism Scotsman style?He has to practice the obnoxiousness, by studying the masters HM and EV.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 21:21:44
Conan, forgot to ask what you meant by the "soft ch".

tchih or as in loch? neither is soft but only one is correct when coming from a Scottish surname in the instance referred to.
170

Independence? Bring it On!,

12/05/2008 21:23:14
#211 Meths as the boards resident lush you'll know what I'm talking about ;)
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 21:30:17
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Meant tchih.I always thought the CH in loch was hard?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 12/05/2008 21:32:37
By god Alfie 2, you are a fake, but without the abuse.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/05/2008 21:42:25
225 Four dots in an ellipsis?

But thats probably just picky;-)
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 22:00:56
222, Conan. I think the ch in loch is soft. But that's just me as it appears to be hard for some people to pronounce. All over the world it is easy to pronounce ch as in loch.

Did you know that the first lager (from the German to store) was imported here onshore to Leith?

The remarkable thing about the lager brew was that it took longer, requiring the storage to allow the secondary (bottom) fermentation to complete. It was pioneered in Pilzn, whom whence pilsner delives. Urquel is a classic example of a fine brew and was approx 40p a 1/2 litre when I was there.

Quite how the germanic terms lager and pilsner (German for from Pilzn) became the norm is beyond me. However I do not think that it detracts from the fact that I agree that MacAskill was correct in his cooking lager aside.

Must be the JewKerrs talking. Ale is cheap psss at an extortionate price too.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 22:09:05
Is that a bottle of Lia Fail I see before me? 4.7% and its open neck pointed towards me? Yes.

Quite nice. And from my home town too.

Makes Jewkers taste sichly.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 12/05/2008 22:14:00
Time is running out for drinkers

Hic hock, hic hock
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Longdirk Maceth,

Tonga 12/05/2008 22:34:04
He's right, it's crap!
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Conan the Librarian™,

13/05/2008 00:05:46
235
Not tried Lia Fail yet, so many beers, so little time.

Drunk the Budvar.Very nice.
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Pook,

Dumfriesshire 13/05/2008 09:19:19
Tennents Lager = Cooking Lager
Stella Artois = Wife Beater

In my experience those brands are quite commonly referred to as in the above. My impression was that in was a joke, tongue in cheek (because Tennents has remanied unchanged in taste or strength from the days that Fosters and 4X were considered exotic and Stella due to it's strength), not an excuse for the Scotsman to run a moral outrage story. I suppose the 'Hootsmon' has it's own issue with monikers!
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bluehead,

edinburgh 13/05/2008 11:40:09
if I had known kenny would insult my favourite lager
I would have voted for king kong rather than SNP.
the mystery is,why does politicians seem sensible before an election,then sound like demented parrots with piles afterwards.
I hereby perscribe for Kenny four pints a day after meals,this should restore his sense and sensibility
cheers
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Mike555,

26/05/2008 19:04:46
I would not believe a word that comes out of MacAskill's mouth.

Lest we forget, in 1999 MacAskill was detained in London before the Euro 2000 second leg play-off match between Scotland and England on suspicion of being drunk and disorderly. A disgrace to the nation I would say.

 

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