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Published Date: 22 January 2008
Young Polish immigrants are at centre of
a split between the traditional church
and a reformist priest, says SHÂN ROSS
IT WAS established as a haven where Polish war veterans could worship and in recent years became a place where young migrants could discuss their worries and share their faith.

But now a row has erupted over the future of a Catholic mission
which exposes a split between the traditional church back in Poland and the new generation of economic migrants.

At its heart is a reformist priest who tried to support the influx of devout young Poles, struggling to balance independence with the values of old Poland, where the church exerts a great deal of influence.

Now Father Edward Hodurek has been ordered back to Poland by the Vatican and a hall used by the Polish community in Falkirk has been closed and put up for sale.

Members of the congregation have been told to attend masses conducted by 30 traditional priests recently brought over from Poland and whose upkeep is to be paid for by the sale of the United Polish Mission.

The migrants, led by Joanna Creslik, the chairwoman of a support group for the town's 2,000 recently arrived Poles, have launched a campaign to prevent the sale. They have been joined by a number of Polish ex-combatants who arrived in Scotland during and after the Second World War and their families, who collected hundreds of signatures against the closure.

"The mission was a place to gather, a place where ordinary Poles could seek help," said Ms Creslik.

"Father Edward treated everyone equally – not something all priests do. He understood that we were new here and some of us were having problems with debt, relationships and the language.

"He wanted to make things better and understood the pressures of finding a job and getting used to freedom.

"In Poland, people live with their parents sometimes until they are in their thirties because they can't afford to move out. We work long hours and don't have much money left over to go out.

"Here, people can be independent – live together, go to the pub, the cinema, parties and have relationships, meaning we have new problems even with this freedom. The old priests just stay with the mass and don't seem to want us to have this lifestyle.

"The Catholic Church is very strong in Poland and involved in politics, but here I admire the way the Church keeps out of things."

Among Father Hodurek's innovations were the establishment of a crèche and after-school club in the Polish Catholic Mission, freeing mothers to work. But these seemingly innocent plans, as well as other activities at the hall, including climbing, have attracted unwanted attention from the church hierarchy.

A letter of protest sent to the Vatican received a reply from Fr Friedrich Kretz, Rector General in Rome, saying he hoped things could be "solved in a really Christian attitude of common trust and in an honest process of discernment".

Furthermore, he said, any future complaints were to be dealt with by Fr Marian Lekawa, the head of the Polish Catholic Mission in Scotland – the person the new migrants say is organising the sale.

The move to sell the mission has infuriated the older generation of Poles in Falkirk who say it belongs "morally" to them because it was paid for by subscription by ex-combatants in 1957 and not by the Polish Catholic Church.

Staniowski Wladyseaw, 89, who was in the navy during the war and arrived in Scotland in 1946, said: "I am against the hall being sold. It belongs to all of us. I know there is some work needing to be done in repairing it, but we have Polish tradesmen who have offered their services free to help us."

Another campaigner, Maria Berni, 67, whose Polish father lived in Denny camp during the war, said: "I am the older generation and we invested time and money in the mission. That old generation is dying out, but new young people have arrived and the hall is important to them.

"It is terrible the way things are happening, with people not being allowed to have their say. I have such beautiful memories of this place, of the Polish dances we had on Sundays, the celebrations, concerts and special meals.

"The new people want a place to get to know each other, but are being so cruelly pushed away and rejected. It was a joy to see the hall full of noise from the children when Father Edward was here, but now the Church won't give us the keys.

"I am a staunch Catholic and I don't like to speak against my religion. But we need justice and I am really shocked, especially with Fr Lekawa."

Pat Reid, Provost of Falkirk, has given the campaign his support. He said: "I would hope the mission would stay open to serve the local Polish community. We feel it has been a very worthwhile, ideal place for them to meet for religious and social gatherings."

Fr Lekawa has not responded to telephone calls or e-mails from The Scotsman asking for an update on the situation regarding the Polish Catholic Mission.

How the two sides have lined up in battle over hall

THERE are two camps involved in the dispute over the sale of the Polish Catholic Mission in Falkirk.

• On one side are the new Polish migrants who want a "modern-style" priest to serve the mission.

Their leader is Joanna Creslik, 30, the chairwoman of United Polish Falkirk, a support group for the town's 2,000 recent migrants. The mother of one, who works as a cleaner, has enlisted the support of Poles who fought in the Second World War, their families and many local people.

They were dismayed when the Vatican ordered Father Edward Hodurek, a "new-style" priest, back to Poland.

One of the oldest campaigners is 89-year-old Staniowski Wladyseaw, who served in the Polish navy and who arrived in Scotland in 1946.

This group says the building was paid for through public subscription by Polish ex-combatants in 1957 and belongs to them.

Maria Berni, 67, whose Polish father was held in the prisoner-of-war camp at Castlerankine, near Denny, said the younger generation of Poles were bringing life back to the hall and needed somewhere to meet.

Pat Reid, the Provost of Falkirk, says he, too, wants the mission to be used by the Poles.

• On the opposing side of the argument are the Vatican and the Polish Catholic Church, who want the new migrants to attend services conducted by traditional priests.

Fr Friedrich Kretz, the Rector General at the Vatican, has nominated Fr Marian Lekawa, the head of the Polish Catholic Mission in Scotland, as the person to whom all complaints should be addressed. However, campaigners say he has refused to answer their letters or return their telephone calls.



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  • Last Updated: 22 January 2008 9:45 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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22/01/2008 01:17:15
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Cappo Del Monte,

22/01/2008 06:14:25
Hmmm only just arriving in this country and starting religious unrest already, yup lets all welcome more religious unrest to a country blighted by it already.
Oh how depressing
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 22/01/2008 06:22:01
A letter of protest sent to the Vatican received a reply from Fr Friedrich Kretz, Rector General in Rome, saying he hoped things could be "solved in a really Christian attitude of common trust and in an honest process of discernment".
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What the hell is this Fr. Kretz talking about.

Sounds like the politicians who rant on saying "GOD is on our SIDE"

I would speculate that this dude is a puppet for the aging geriatrics operating inside the Vatican.

But the old and their ways, cannot stop the flood tides of YOUTH.

All of human history confirms that....DOHhhhh !!!!

GC
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Donart/NZ,

EnZed(Hillary Country) 22/01/2008 07:26:20
Out with superstition. Viva la raison!
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paulr,

edinburgh 22/01/2008 08:13:44
Typical of the vatican, stamp out any kind of independent thinking, make them toe the line.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 22/01/2008 08:21:57
Under the pontificate of Betty the Sixteenth the Roman Catholic church is becoming a bully boy. That pontiff is a throwback to the Middle Ages and even the Dark Ages and the sooner he goes to his maker the better. He is bad for business and is driving devout Catholics AWAY from the church he is ineffectually trying to govern.

Stories such as these are depressing because they show a church instransigent and uncompromising and out of touch with the modern world.

Perhaps Betty the Sixteenth will be the LAST Vicar of Christ.
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Encephalon,

22/01/2008 08:36:39
#6 inshallah-a big Amen to that!
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BK,

Cyberspace 22/01/2008 08:56:50
This seems a case of Pope Adolf panzering over the Poles in his jackboots, just like the army he fought with seventy years ago.
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BK,

22/01/2008 09:05:47
"The move to sell the mission has infuriated the older generation of Poles in Falkirk who say it belongs "morally" to them because it was paid for by subscription by ex-combatants in 1957 and not by the Polish Catholic Church."

It sounds like a case for legal action. I'm sure the Scottish courts would be sympathetic and would not look kindly on interference from Rome or Warsaw.
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BK,

Cyberspace 22/01/2008 09:14:18
#6 What makes you think it is his Maker he will go to?
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

22/01/2008 09:26:20
Vatican opposed to reform, where have we heard that before?
Still the Poles can consider themselves lucky with no St Bartholomew's night massacre or Bloody Mary executions to contend with.
Mind you, pope Benny was the head of the Inquisition so maybe there is a purpose behind the 30 foreign priests, probably jesuits, infiltrated into Scotland, that we are not being told.
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Boy Wonder,

22/01/2008 09:30:51
This pontiff's Nazi past was merely training for the Papal Throne. Pope Adolf I is showing his true colours!
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donald,

glasgow 22/01/2008 09:49:13
Falkirk Labour Cooncil gave money for premises to an Orange Flute band, despite local protestations.
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Logie Almond,

22/01/2008 09:58:39
Doesn't quite ring true. I think we are only getting one side of the story here. As for the comments about "Pope Adolf", I wonder how many of the posters would have stood up to the might of the Nazi state as a fifteen year old boy?
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wayne bijlyeerheid,

22/01/2008 11:22:31
Is the pope a real person?
A supernaturally infallible human who is claimed to be the representative of "God on Earth", who can promote the dead in the afterlife to sanctity, and who can and will forgive the most heinious crimes, if committed by RCs.
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GP,

22/01/2008 11:41:26
perhaps the young poles are seeing that the "old poland" was poor in some way because of their outdated religious ways, no?
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Helmer,

Sweden 22/01/2008 11:57:09
The Vatican was the first state to recognise Nazi Germany with the Concordat of 1933.The Vatican did nothing to try and stop the mass murder of Jews and others and after the war facilitated the escape of war criminals,mainly to South America, by providing false documents.Perhaps a Pole or indeed any catholic would care to tell us why they wish to belong to such a disgusting organisation that appears to try and rule by fear.
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22/01/2008 12:28:21
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Jingo,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 12:39:24
Helmer, you are talking rubbish. The Vatican done a great deal to save Jews and the "false documents" you talk about were false baptism forms so that Jews could pass as Christians. One of my Jewish neighbours (now dead) always said he and his family would not have survived if it wasn't for the Catholic Church helping to smuggle them to freedom. The Chief Rabbi of Italy during the war converted to Catholicism, because he was so grateful for all the help his people recieved from the Church. Try to get the film ASSISI UNDERGROUND, a true story of how nuns and priests in that city help to save hundreds of Jews.
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boudica,

Glasgow 22/01/2008 13:11:44
It is the Hierachy of the Polish Catholic Church who are instigating this fearful of the Freedom that all young Polish people living in the UK now have as no doubt they fear that it will eventually reach Poland and they will lose their Tyranical Hold on the Polish People and it cant come soon enough as we are all finding out how those priests have in the past colabrated with the Germans and the Russians so they have a lot to lose and no doubt they want to hold on to that Power and as for Rome and Papa Ratzi the Nazi and his past he should never have been elected because of his past associations
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SP,

Edinburgh 22/01/2008 13:14:37
#20 - Yes, the orange order in Northern Ireland!

Don't forget the Vatican played a big part in the downfall of communism and did help a number of Jews in WW2.

However as a practising catholic I'm disappointed at the Vatican's refusal to modernise on a number of issues such as married priests and contraception. They could end up pushing people away from the church if they are not careful.
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SILVANA,

glasgow 22/01/2008 14:13:46
Religion, no matter what religion, has always been at the root of all our problems/wars etc. I personally believe that organised religion should be abolished. There is no need to attend or be part of a church to be good in heart and mind.
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Helmer,

Sweden 22/01/2008 14:17:09
Perhaps James and Jingo can explain why the Vatican in March 1998 felt obliged to issue a fourteen page report that apologised for the catholic church's silence during the Holocaust.
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Media 1,

cape town 22/01/2008 14:33:32
#26 SP

The orange order? lmao hahaha!
That is like comparing an under 8's Gorbels 11 to Barcalona FC.
Lets get real. I dont have much time for the orange order either, they are another organisation whose values are questionable. But to compare them to the most powerful and corrupt organisation in the world is beyond belief and solely based on religious favouritism.
My views about the Catholic church are not religious, they are views based on the organisations ghastly past and the (unable to apologise current clan.)They are monsters
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 22/01/2008 14:47:02
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Media 1,
cape town 22/01/2008 12:28:21
The RC Church! What a despicable organisation.
Is there any other organisation whose history is steeped in such barbaric, murderous and politically charged violence?

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How about Islam ..dude.

GC
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Media 1,

cape town 22/01/2008 14:58:34
#33 Galactic

You are attempting to compare the Catholic Church with other religious groups, why?
Forget Catholocism, I am not speaking about the average Catholic here. I am speaking about (The Vatican)and those who have led her for the last couple thousand years.
No other organisation is as despicable as the RC Church! No other is as hypocritical as the RC Church. No other has been as barbaric. No other is steeped in as much blood than the RC Church.
What is it about people who cannot openly criticise the RC Church for what they are?
They dont hide their past, they dont argue that they murdered countless thousands, they dont remove the names of the old papal savages from the vicars of christ list, its no secret how ghaslty their past is. So why do people still defend them?
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The Fly Fifer,

Fife 22/01/2008 15:02:05
WoW the comment at number one was TAME compared to what has been written since .............. just and interesting note :-)
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 22/01/2008 15:52:57
I see James Lincoln defender of the faith is on. How about questioning the murder of JP 1 and those within the vatican curia responsible or do you reserve that for the commuinists?

What organisation was effectively responsible for putting the following dictators in power either through concordat or treaty?

Hitler
Mussolini
Franco.

Which organisation banned Anne Franks's diary yet only recently binned Mein Kamp?

Which organisation castigated the first test tube baby, effectively condemning her to hell at birth?

Could go on but I think you see the pattern. A homophobic, mysoginistic and intolerent faith that sees itself above criticism.

Why is such a powerful organisation so afraid of criticism that it has to scream bigotry and sectarianism every time the truth is told about it?

Never mind ratzi anyone know what JP2 was doing during the war?
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 22/01/2008 15:57:30
#26

What version of history did you get at school it certainly is not the real one. Individual priests with a conscience may have helped a number of Jews, the vatican however did nothing officially in fact the opposite.

Google vatican ratlines or ustasi. try googling the lateran treaty.
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Media 1,

cape town 22/01/2008 16:08:36
Paul Marcinkus

It is pointless attempting to argue the good that the Church may have done. And there is no question that many priests act with absolute compassion to all mankind. But you cannot defend The Vatican. We all know their history, we all know the reasons we ended up with protestant people. We all know what happened to men like Galileo. We know the script and its impossible to argue in favour of The Vatican.
I wonder how many catholics there actually is in this world.
Because unless you share the chuches views on abortion, contraception, test tube babies, homosexuals and other issues, you are a protester! You are either catholic or you are not! You cant be half catholic and only accept the points you agree with, its all or nothing. At least now adays we can discuss these topics without being murdered by the church.
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Shuggie,

Canada 22/01/2008 17:21:12
There can't be too many survivors of the original veterans who funded the building, but surely their descendants should have a say as to what is to be done with it.
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Itchy,

Lochgelly 22/01/2008 19:53:10
"Here, people can be independent – live together, go to the pub, the cinema, parties and have relationships, meaning we have new problems even with this freedom. The old priests just stay with the mass and don't seem to want us to have this lifestyle.
"

Indeed. After decades of Communism, to deny people their freedom and the chance to enjoy themselves is nasty indeed.
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Itchy,

22/01/2008 19:55:21
#14 he joined the SS as an 18 year old.

A socialist as a young man and he is still one today.
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA..captured from Mexico 1845 22/01/2008 20:18:40

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Media 1,
cape town 2
You are attempting to compare the Catholic Church with other religious groups, why?

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Yes I am.

Islam, Judaism, Christanity (Catholic Church)etc. are all in the same evil boat for conditioning the minds of the masses, and turning them into fanatics.

Its called crowd control. dude.

GC.

GC

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ex-labour,

22/01/2008 21:40:28
Why on earth are we discussing an anachronistic organisation led by a non-person with infinite powers that s/he never uses. Borgia Popes, Hitler, Jews, and never forget the thousands + child victims of priestly abuse.

The Poles in Scotland would be better off just discussing their problems together without guidance from this morally-corrupt organisation. As said, above, try the pub, it will certainly put a new and moer realistic slant on your beliefs.
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 23/01/2008 10:04:18
#36,

Defender of the Faith? You flatter me!

Question 1 - who says John Paul I was murdered by people in the Vatican? You might like the idea of it, but it is no more than a typical conspiracy theory.

Even you cannot deny the circumstances of his death was strange, the lies told by the Vatican in the immediate aftermath says a lot too.

Why no autopsy, how did a man with no history of heart disease die in the manner claimed by the Vatican? How did he have a heart attack yet remain upright with notes in his hand? Two books on this subject make VERY convincing points, one of which the author David Yallop said he would give all cash raised from the book to charity if he could be proved wrong, the Vatican has never taken up the offer. The other “Murder in the Vatican” was written by a close friend of Albino Luciani’s assistant Lucien Gregoire. Both these authors are RC before you claim any bigotry or sectarian motivation or wild and baseless accusations.

http://www.murderinthevatican.com/

http://www.yallop.com/ingodsname.aspx

http://www.yallop.com/thepowerandtheglory.aspx


Question 2 - Hitler and Mussolini were already in power when agreements were signed between them and the Church. The Church was not alone in making agreements with those two. I believe Britain signed an agreement with them both at Munich, allowing Hitler to dismember Czechoslovakia - an ally of Britain and France. I know that the Church supported Franco. That is because the Church regarded Communism as a bigger threat than Franco's brand of Fascism. War can sometimes make strange bedfellows. Who would have thought that Britain would ally itself with Stalin, who killed many more millions than Hitler?

Not true.
The abolishment of the Catholic party signed by the future pope effectively put Hitler into power. The Vatican was on the bones of it’s erse and sold it’s soul to Mussolinin in the Lateran Treaty again effectively putting him in power.

http://www.secularhumanism.org
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 23/01/2008 10:06:04
#39
Question 3 - never heard of the Church banning Anne Frank's diary. We actually read it in my Catholic school back in the 80's. Do you think if the Church had banned Mein Kampf no-one would ever have been able to read it?

Obviously not, however it says a great deal about the churche once banning Anne Franks diary whilst Men Kampf was not.

Question 4 - The Church has reservations about the process of IVF, but your allegation of the Church, "castigating" the world's first test-tube baby is another new one on me. The future John Paul I congratulated the parents and wished the new baby a "healthy and blessed life," while expressing reservations about the procedure.

100% correct Albino Luciani the future JP1 sent a letter, he was at the time Patriarch of Venice I think, this went against the Pope at the times statement (Pius XXIII I think) his statement was made via the media.

Answering mostly baseless and wild accusations does not make you afraid of criticism. I have not used the terms "bigotry," nor "sectarianism" on this thread. Why did you feel the need to use them?

These are not baseless or wild accusations; I choose to use them as an example of the churches attitude and is entirely relevant to what the original Scotsman was about the authoritarian and oppressive. It is one of the most right wing organisations in the world, propping up dictators in south America along with Reagan in order to crush liberation theology and suppress communism/socialism.

This is without mentioning the abhorent child abuse or thewealth of a supposed christian organisation while it's flock starve.
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roadstohell,

here&now 23/01/2008 10:49:31
Erm, can we get back to the issue here ?
It is nice of all you folks to hijack this story to show your erudition etc etc., but !!!!!!!

Surely if the funds to create the mission was raised by ex combatants, then the mission & it's assets DO NOT belong to the Catholic church. Essentially they would have no right to put the premises up for sale. And for the Priest to withold the keys from boba fide users of the hall etc, is totally illegal.
Any lawyers of Polish extraction ou there wish to lend some of their professional skills to this cause ?
It seems that Polish tradesmen are willing to give their skills & time to renovate the premises, so maybe other professions can lend a hand ?
I think that Scots forget that it is NOT just the new wave of young Poles that make up the Polish community. There are very large numbers of people who, like myself, had Polish parent(s) who came here as combatants during WW2.
I hope that the Polish community can win this battle, as it does seem to smack of a "totalitarion" attitude by the Powers that Be within the RC church aimed at smothering independent thoughts & actions. HOWEVER, they seem to forget that Poles have long fought for these ideals, and are not easily cowed into submission.
Pwodezenie polacy
janek (staryjanek)
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 24/01/2008 00:26:34
So Yallop & Gregoire lied in their books. As did Paul L. Williams? All of them RCs.

Greogoire's book makes several comments on the diary being banned and refrences his sources. Pius XII said "Such children if ever born would be children of the devil". JPII reaffired Pius XII position on it when he took on the papacey, only changing his own decree in 1984.

Are you really trying to say Gregoire is lying and plucked AF's diary out of thin air?

http://www.authorhouse.com/bookstore/ItemDetail~bookid~36683.aspx
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 24/01/2008 00:30:56
http://www.amazon.co.uk/review/R1FTNAL4957PZS

From this amazon reviewer, no doubt he made it up too.

The press followed him all the way down to that time, just a month before his election, when he cast his vote for genetic science - again in defiance of a papal decree. When all other cardinals condemned Louise Brown - the world's first artificially inseminated child as "a child of the devil," John Paul, then Archbishop of Venice, wrote her parents, "I congratulate you on the birth of your little girl. I (the Church) have no right to condemn you for what you asked the doctors to carry out. Be assured, there is reserved for both you and your child a high place in heaven." His public image continued to be pragmatic all the way down to his last proclamation the day before he died, "God is more our Mother than She is our Father," - a sitting pontiff who challenged the ancient assumption that God is a man.


So, like the DaVinci Code, there are things here that will infuriate the devout; hence look for lo-scores from enraged nuns and pretending `experts' who really don't want to dig him up. But, unlike the DaVinci Code, the critics of this book must contend with the proof of the pudding which is at the end of each chapter - footnotes - ironclad sources that define the integrity of this work. Pinch yourself - check them out - it's not a dream.
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 24/01/2008 00:35:44
http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/1933Concordat.html

Thes guys are wrong too no doubt James.
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 24/01/2008 11:39:58
You are reading way too much into this, the regualar stance when the vatican is criticised is to cry bigotry and sectarianism I merely pre-empted it. You have not taken up that usual mantra, well done.

You are now saying a direct quote from a book with an index of sources quoted is not evidence anough, if it's not on the net it didn't happen?

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/Catholic/1stJohnPaul.html


http://www.mindfully.org/GE/2003/IVF-Baby-Turns-25-24jul03.htm
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Paul Marcinkus,

The Holy See 24/01/2008 12:14:23
It is in the book, now you are saying not only Lucien made up but so did the guy that reviewed it. Lucien has indeces where he makes such quotes, many are from the italian press at the time and I would imagine he got them from microfish in libraries not the net.

You are basically saying if it's not on the net it's not true.

Quite how a site like liberallikechrist can have hate content is beyod me, then again that's your PC council IT filter for you.

Why would such a good man as Albino be moved to write directly to the parents unless the church had condemned such births in the manner quoted by Gregoire?

Gregoire made that up along with the AF diary thing and the other suspicious murders, like his friend JP1's assitant mysteriously knocked down the day after JP1 died.
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GazzaM,

Stirling 24/01/2008 16:14:34
A lot of the posts here, appear to be diverting from the primary issue.

I should state that I am neither Polish nor am I catholic.

The Polish community in Grangemouth / Falkirk have had deep connections with the area back to the second world war. Grangemouth was home to the first airport in Central Scotland, predating those at Glasgow and Edinburgh. On the outbreak of war "Central Scotlands Airport" was taken over by the RAF. It became the home of 58 Operational Training Unit (OTU). It was here that all foreign national pilots were trained to fly and fight in Spitfires. A majority of the Polish Air Force pilots who escaped Poland after fighting there, and then escaped France after fighting there, came to Grangemouth and 58 OTU through processing stations such as Blackpool. Many pilots died during operational training such was the intensity of training required for war. Some of these pilots are interred at Grandsable cemetry near Grangemouth. Those that lie there are from Poland as well as the US and New Zealand.
The contribution of the Polish community was not solely during the war. They continue to enrich the communities that they have settled in and indeed have supported many of the youth organisations in their communities no matter the denomination. I speak from experience and in particular of the support that the Grangemouth Polish community have given to the Air Training Squadron that my son belongs to.

This squadron (a registered charity) decided to carry out project work to find as much information about the Polish Pilots at Grandsable. The squadron was founded during the war and worked with the trainee pilots at RAF Grangemouth. The help and support that we received from the Polish Community was (and still is) exceptional. The project culminated in / resulted in us taking over 20 cadets to Poland to present the findings of their report to the Polish Air Force and the Polish people.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the issue here is not ju
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GazzaM,

Stirling 24/01/2008 16:20:48
Cont/...

... is not just about the history of the Polish people in the area. This is about our history. Would we allow anyone to take away or deny us what we traditionally call our own? I think not.

Pleas forget the debate about what the Vatican (or anyone else for that matter) did somewhere else at another point in history. Please support these members of OUR community in fighting to maintain OUR history.

 

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