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Published Date: 07 March 2008
HILLARY Clinton has been branded a "monster" by one of Barack Obama's top advisers, as the gloves come off in the race to win the Democrat nomination.
In an unguarded moment during an interview with The Scotsman in London, Samantha Power, Mr Obama's key foreign policy aide, let slip the camp's true feelings about the former first lady.

Her comments came as Mr Obama, whose defeats in Texas and O
hio on Tuesday were largely attributed to a series of negative attacks on him, vowed to turn up the heat on Mrs Clinton over her claims to be the more experienced candidate.

Yesterday, the Obama camp went on the offensive, pointing out that Mrs Clinton has still not released her tax return and casting doubt on her experience.

In response, a Clinton adviser said the attack reminded him of the witch-hunt led by special prosecutor Kenneth Starr, which led to the impeachment of her husband, Bill, when he was president.

Earlier, clearly rattled by the Ohio defeat, Ms Power told The Scotsman Mrs Clinton was stopping at nothing to try to seize the lead from her candidate.

"We f***** up in Ohio," she admitted. "In Ohio, they are obsessed and Hillary is going to town on it, because she knows Ohio's the only place they can win.

"She is a monster, too – that is off the record – she is stooping to anything," Ms Power said, hastily trying to withdraw her remark.

Ms Power said of the Clinton campaign: "Here, it looks like desperation. I hope it looks like desperation there, too.

"You just look at her and think, 'Ergh'. But if you are poor and she is telling you some story about how Obama is going to take your job away, maybe it will be more effective. The amount of deceit she has put forward is really unattractive."

Ms Power's comments reveal how the inexperienced Obama campaign is coming under increasing pressure from a battle-hardened Clinton camp that saw Ohio as its last chance to save its candidate.

Before Tuesday's vote in Ohio, the press and the Clinton camp seized on remarks by Austan Goolsbee, Ms Power's colleague, on the North America Free Trade Agreement (Nafta). His comments are widely believed to have cost Mr Obama the Ohio Democratic presidential primary.

Mr Goolsbee, Mr Obama's top economic policy adviser, had told Canadian officials a public pledge to force a renegotiation of Nafta with tougher labour and environmental rules was "more about political positioning".

But the Clinton camp said Mr Obama could not tell the public of Ohio, where many manufacturing jobs have been lost, one thing and then tell a foreign government something else behind closed doors.

Yesterday, Mr Obama blamed fierce attacks by Mrs Clinton for his defeats in this week's big primaries, and quickly made good on a promise to sharpen his criticism of her, in what promises to become an all-out brawl in the race for the White House.

The Illinois senator took the offensive against Mrs Clinton, targeting her claims she is more experienced in handling foreign policy. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no," he said. "She made a series of arguments on why she should be a superior candidate. It's important to examine that argument."

In recent days, the former first lady argued that Mr Obama was getting a free ride with the media and had hinted he was not ready to be commander-in-chief in a crisis.

Mrs Clinton, asked about her national security qualifications, highlighted a series of events in which she played a role, including peace talks in Northern Ireland, the Kosovo refugee crisis and standing up for women's rights in China.

Mr Obama's aides went on the offensive yesterday, holding a conference call to ask why Mrs Clinton had not released her tax returns. Her campaign team responded with a statement e-mailed to reporters while they were on the call that said the Clintons' returns since they left the White House would be made public around 15 April.

"There's no doubt Senator Clinton went very negative over the last week," Mr Obama said, adding that the Clinton campaign's attacks "had some impact" on the poll results, "particularly in the context where many of you in the press had been persuaded you had been too hard on her and too soft on me".

After this latest row, Howard Dean, head of the Democratic Party, warned that the tone of the campaign "may get nastier" and said discussions would take place to try to prevent that.

After Mr Obama's camp had raised the issue of Mrs Clinton's failure to release her tax returns, Howard Wolfson, a spokesman for Mrs Clinton, described the statement as being reminiscent of the attacks the Clintons endured during investigations by prosecutor Kenneth Starr in the 1990s, which many saw as politically motivated.

Mr Wolfson's introduction of Mr Starr's name again portrays Mrs Clinton as a victim, while her attacks on Mr Obama's "preparedness to be commander in chief and steward of the economy" continue.

Mr Wolfson said: "I, for one, do not believe imitating Ken Starr is the way to win a Democratic primary election for president."

The Clinton campaign has also attacked Mr Obama's inexperience on foreign matters, but Ms Power insisted he was not afraid to take tough decisions on this front.

She added: "Hillary Clinton always portrays his position on meeting with dictators as naive."

Ms Power also described working for Mr Obama as a pleasure, and said that people who knew him "adore him".

She added: "When we started this, we were all backing the guy who was supposed to lose.

"He was 25 points down going in to Iowa in January.

"If people were in this for the job or the political reward they would have gone somewhere else. They would not have gone to Barack."

Ms Power also said she believed Gordon Brown and Mr Obama would get on "like a house on fire".

Ms Power was in the UK to promote her book on Sergio Vieira de Mello, the extraordinary UN representative who died in a Baghdad bomb attack.

PUBLISH AND BE DAMNED

WHEN is off the record actually off the record? When the rules are established in advance.

Journalists are always looking for knowledge and want the information they receive to be available for publication.

But occasionally an interviewer will accept an exchange is "off the record" and that the conversation is not attributable. Remarks can be used as background to inform a journalist's article.

If a conversation is to be off the record, that agreement is usually thrashed out before the interview begins. Sometimes, public figures say something and then attempt to retract it by insisting it was "off the record" after the event.

But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published.

In this instance, Samantha Power was promoting her book and it was established in advance that the interview was on the record.

A WOMAN OF POWER
SAMANTHA Power is the embodiment of the American immigrant dream.

Born in Dublin in 1970, she moved to the United States with her mother aged nine.

After being educated in state schools in Pittsburgh and Georgia, she gained entry to the prestigious Yale University, where she studied history. The self-deprecating Ms Power said this changed her life and opened many doors.

She worked as freelance journalist in Bosnia, after teaching herself the language in Croatia. Her only other journalism experience prior to that was covering the Yale women's volleyball team.

After graduating from Harvard Law School, she became an executive director and founder of the Carr Centre for Human Rights Policy at Harvard.

The 37-year-old already has one Pulitzer Prize behind her, for her book A Problem from Hell: America and the Age of Genocide and she is in the UK and Ireland to plug her new book, Chasing the Flame: Sergio Vieira de Mello and the Fight to Save the World.

Ms Power was head-hunted by Barack Obama to become his foreign-policy adviser in 2005 and combines this role with her job as a Time magazine columnist and professor of practice of global leadership and public policy at Harvard.





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  • Last Updated: 10 March 2008 8:45 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Barack Obama , US elections
 
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Boswall,

07/03/2008 00:31:37
If it gets the Clintons back in then I say go for it.

BO would be a a great VP and understudy to Hillary.
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Jock MacSprog,

Embra 07/03/2008 00:56:28
They are both tax and spend socialists, whats the diff really ?
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IggyHorowitz,

behind the chicken coop 07/03/2008 00:57:01
Apparently, "that is off the record" means nothing to the press anymore. Other than that, yeah, she's a freakish nightmare.
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williamx,

canada 07/03/2008 01:21:06
Come on. If it takes $100 million to run a presidential campaign, $10 million for a Senate or Congress campaign then they are all bought before they arrive by the industrial/medical/military/drug company complex. All are bought regardless of party affiliation.
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snakesup,

Georgia 07/03/2008 01:32:21
so, Obama calls her the hildabeast, too.........
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indune1,

07/03/2008 01:37:12
1 - What an extraordinarily naiive person you appear to be.

"If it gets the Clintons back into power"?

The Clintons?? WTF? GTF?

Look, Slick Willie is perhaps one of the most morally warped individuals to have held office in the US.

Hillary is claiming experience in foreign policy, economic policy and - stupidly - health policy; all while she was the wife of the President of the USA. She was unelected and has ridden Billy-Bob's coattails since his initial election.

He lied and cheated on her and - more importantly to the nation - on at least three separate occasions. The woman has no shame - only blind, naked ambition.

You would trust her as your financial advisor - given such a track record?

Wake up.
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Francene,

California 07/03/2008 01:44:45
I was under the impression when a person being interviewed states the qualifier "off the record" it means just that, off the record. The Scotsman may want to revisit that point. Journalistic integrity is in question here.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 02:00:07
15 - I make a living as a communications advisor. When preparing a client for a media interview, the first thing I tell them that is nothing, repeat nothing, is ever off the record and any journalist who makes such an offer should be instantly deemed as untrustworthy.

However, some supposedly savvy people do make such an agreement in the hope that it will be broken by the media and the resulting coverage have the desired. strategic effect for a mutual benefit.

Dealing with a journalist is like any other commercial transaction. If you haven't done your homework then you deserve the mark you will receive after the test is completed.
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Fred C Dobbs,

Lafayette 07/03/2008 02:00:37
I think the Scotsman has truthfully reported the results of the contests for in Ohio and Texas. The Scotsman says Clinton won both. The fact is she got more delegates in Ohio than Obama, but less Texas. As a result, she did not win them both. [If the Scotsman thinks the popular vote was point of the election, it is wrong. The election objects were delegates to cast votes at the Democrats Convention in August.] In fact, she has to win every contest forward by more than 20% to secure a number of delegates that will bring her the nomination.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 02:08:22
The Texas Delegates will be Annouced at the Democratic Convention In Denver this June. The caucuses in Texas were are Nightmare.

Hillary has Not won Texas yet, But as she told a National TV-NBC audience - I WILL Get the Nomination.
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William - Cedarburg, WI USA,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvrp1UWVimk 07/03/2008 02:11:02
It's all extreme this or that - negative platitudes signifying nothing.
You disagree with me and your must be a monster.

Just like this song - "I Am For Nuclear War"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvrp1UWVimk
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Ne'er Again,

Brandon, Ms 07/03/2008 02:12:41
Monster? That's not the half of it.
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Duchess-Of- Drumnadrochit,

USA 07/03/2008 02:13:27
'I'm neither a Republican or a Democrat.'

Hillary has Not won Texas Delegates yet, Popular Vote yes.
Thanks to the 'Archie Bunker Mentality 'of the older Voters.
Now she wants to break the rules For Mich. and Florida.
But as she told a National TV-NBC audience - I WILL Get the Nomination. Go Figure!
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LMKG,

Alaska 07/03/2008 02:24:49
Ms. Powers is merely saying aloud what millions of us are thinking.
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Wilove,

Aberdeen 07/03/2008 02:26:04
I see some sort of positive media bias towards the Clinton campaign team here. The writer refers to it as relatively inexperienced; talk about a very experienced Clinton campaign team that has been through a lot of shake ups with some top staff resigning.
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PortiaElizabeth,

New Hampshire, USA 07/03/2008 02:38:07
It's unfortunate that someone who represents herself as a spokesperson for Senator Obama is so obviously unprofessional. This seems to be a recurring characteristic of many in the Obama camp as they repeatedly make missteps worthy of a grade-school student council campaign, as evidenced by Obama's senior economic advisor Austan Goolsbee's documented meeting with the Canadian official on NAFTA. My fervent hope is that the good people of Scotland and England will take the time to examine the tactics of both the Clinton and Obama campaigns and then form conclusions as to which candidate is prepared to assume the Presidency of the United States.
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Scott Hamilton,

Morgantown 07/03/2008 02:55:56
Good Scots,

Over the next few weeks you will probably witness the destruction of an American Political Party. They will be done in by a scheme to front load the primary to get the advantage over the opposition that backfired horribly.

Enjoy

... I certainly will!

I just wish that my Republican father had lived long enough to enjoy this with me. He would have had so much fun!
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57Nomad,

california 07/03/2008 02:57:44
It doesn't make any difference who the Dems nominate. Europeans who are sure that Americans think like thay do abour Iraq and Afghanistan and are anxious to bring a Dem to the White House are sadly mistaken. Both Hillary and Barak have bad mouthed the effort while American troops are in the field and under fire. That is not well received and it will show in the general election. The Dems will not carry more than ten states no matter who they nominate. Get ready for President McCain.
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nene,

New Jersey 07/03/2008 03:06:15
It disturbs me that Obama, as chairman of the Foreign Policy Subcommittee on Europe and NATO, did not visit NATO headquarters or any other European country. You would think he would have jumped at the chance to really learn something important. To me, it looks like he thought he already knew everything, so why wait to run for president? Not exactly confidence inspiring.

So what will he do? Surround himself with experts, as George W. Bush did? What do we know about the type of people he would surround himself with, except that some of them will be Republicans, the very people who rubber-stamped Bush's every order.

I want to know now, before the nomination.

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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:14:44
46 - Yes, and your dear Hillary supported the invasion.
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Stuart 2,

U.S.A. 07/03/2008 03:19:38
If Clinton gets in it will be one giant for socialism and one world government. As for health care, the governments meddleing is what is wrong with it. She wants to take it over.

I never had any respect for Bill Clinton and have less for Hillary. If that is what the democrat party stands for why don't they just nominate a marxist that has enough character to say that he/she is one.

Europe and the world better be on their toes if hillary wins because the only help you will get is appeasement and just maybe a bombing of an asprin factory.
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Not my Country. Not another Clinton. Ever...,

Denver, Colorado 07/03/2008 03:19:55
That's just it...

It's

DEMOCRAT Hillary (BAD, BAD, BAD)

versus

DEMOCRAT Omaba (Good, Good, Good)

Coming from a state that carried Republicans for the past 16 years, everyone wants to see OBAMA win. McCain and the entire Republican party is an afterthought, in fact, no one I've met has said they are going to vote for McCain, but

Hillary is pushing her "Victim" Mentality!

She's all style and no substance!
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Gantry,

Long Island 07/03/2008 03:21:59
indune1, McCain can only carry on the corruption of the Bush debacle, the sinking of America's greatness into the rubble of a ruined economy. The American home, the symbol of achievement and pride in USA, today means nothing. Because of Bush ineptitude, ignorance, arrogance and people-be-damned, people are walking away from their homes. Home equity is at the lowest point since 1950. Bankruptcy is at an all time high. Do you in your feeble mind think the American people will elect another Bush?? What planet are you visiting?? Or do you live there permanent??
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:22:27

51 - McCain and the entire Republican party is an afterthought, in fact, no one I've met has said they are going to vote for McCain.

Perhaps you are mingling in the wrong circles or need to get more.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 03:25:14
Gantry....Rezko is Obama's "mentor"? Are you kidding? The guy was one of many contributors to Obama, and upon learning what was going on, Obama forwarded Rezko's $11,500 of contibutions to charity. If that's all you've got on him, then you're reaching.

And DirOfTheObv...that "wink wink" stuff regarding Canada and NAFTA is nothing more than Hillary Clinton rhetorical talking points. The Obama camp and the Canadian government have both made clear that the dialogue they had was mischaracterized in that report, and have clarified the situation quite clearly.

It's extremely telling that in order to create controvery about Obama, Hillary's campaign is having to invent and lie about it. It's just too bad that so many uninformed voters out there fall for it.

And compare these invented controversies to the incontrovertible failures of Hillary in years past. She says she'll reform health care when she's already failed miserably at doing it back in the '90's....and it was largely because she was so kniving in her methods that she alienated not only Republicans and moderates, but also her own Democratic allies!

And National Security? She claims to have a handle on that when she actually played a part in getting us into a war in Iraq that's cost thousands upon thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars!

But by all means, let's get mad at Obama for simply knowing a person who broke the law. Yeah....that's REAL logical.
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Another Long Islander,

Ny 07/03/2008 03:29:29
Funny thing is a nut like Gantry knocks McCain and McCain is essentially a democrat disguised as a republican so in essence he or she is knocking their own lol lol ironic isnt it.
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Not my Country. Not another Clinton. Ever...,

Denver, Colorado 07/03/2008 03:29:53
Gantry,

Did you not see the headlines last year that Hillary was having "Secret Meetings" with Bush?

She's going to tow the line. NO MORE OF THE SAME TWO FAMILIES IN THE WHITEHOUSE.

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Another Long Islander,

NY 07/03/2008 03:34:48
#59 gantry, its ironic you knock obama yet hilliary had file gate, vince foster, travel gate, white water, et al. Hypocrisy is alive and well in the gantry world I am a republican but I gotta say, if electing obama gets rid of the clintons I say GO OBAMA. PS remember obama has hinted he is going to give republcans key spots in his cabinet. He cant be that bad of a guy now can he. lol
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Creepmaster ,

USA 07/03/2008 03:36:42
A good picture of Hillary is here- www.creepyvision.com - Hillary wants to force her agenda on us that will make bush seem like a dream come true. Remember - the president doesn't have all the power -we do - The federal goverment cannot watch our kids at home, make them do thier homework, teach them manners, respect, ethics or responsibility - Parents do. It all starts with individuals and we must remember that our founding fathers wanted us as citizens to have FREEDOM amoung the formost right as a human. We cannot be Free if we are endentured servents to the US Federal Government - Be it the bias tax system, federal and corporate welfare systems, to the arts and education departments - we are a bloated governement and unfortunately none of the canidates will be addressing these issues - it will be status quo for a while.
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Another Long Islander,

NY 07/03/2008 03:36:47
funny, gantry is a racist to boot. Mrs Black?????? Thats not very democratic now is it? And how did he raise that money? By people liking him thats how. And he has been groomed since the convention of 2004. go back to the tapes to jog your small mind. duh.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:36:52

Oh my, dear Gantry, you are indeed getting carried away. Get a paper bag and breathe in and out of it for at least 2 mins.

Yes, Bush is an idiot. Jimmy Carter was a hopeless wimp. Clinton was a lying, cheating, man of the worst type but a brilliant orator ( oral being the operative).

So what? Your fellow Americans voted Bush in twice as they did the fatally flawed Clintons.

A more dispassionate, experienced observer would conclude that Hillary Clinton has only a slim chance of getting to and winning the convention.

Piece of advice: Start the Prozac program. After November, triple the dosage, immigrate (God knows where) or become a "Obamma Jamma" for 2012. DO you have a medicare plan that will cover the Prozac costs for such a long period?

I really do hope so, if only for the sake of your fellow Long Island rodents.
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Another Long Islander,

ny 07/03/2008 03:37:43
creepmaster you make too much sense. The fanatics on here wont listen to you. sadly.
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mogalmike,

Philadelphia, PA 07/03/2008 03:39:43
Hillary is awful. . . What more do you need to know? However, the "old Guard" will not go "quietly into that good night." Hopefully PA will do the right thing and put her finally put her away.
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Dan Weinkauf,

Los Angeles, CA 07/03/2008 03:45:54
"They are both tax and spend socialists, whats the diff really ?"

I'll take that over spend incredulously, then force someone else to tax later once interest has accrued, as has been the staple of Reaganomics. What about GW Sr.? Remember, "Read my lips, no new taxes!" Then reality hit... Why don't you take a moment to examine the quality of life in nations like Norway and Sweden, in tangent with their tax rates.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:47:17

Official Psycho Warning!!!

Poster known as Gantry is to be ignored. Responding to his postings will only cause him/her to have inflated view of self-value and relevance.

Desist from responding or referring to his/her psotings. This is asked only in the better interest of America's and the world's mental health.

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abehn,

San Jose, CA, US 07/03/2008 03:47:53
And these breathless and babbling remarks come from someone who acts as Sen. Obama's "key foreign policy aide"? Oh, great--having amateur hour in the WH is going to be such fun after the trainwreck American foreign policy has been for the last seven years.

Her implication that Ohioans are a bunch of poor deluded fools simply because they didn't vote for her candidate is insulting to the voters. But when things don't go well for the Obama campaign, rather like petulant teenagers, they blame everyone but themselves.
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FLGirl,

Florida, USA 07/03/2008 03:48:53
all my 18 year old students in the communications program know that "off the record" does not exist when dealing w/the media...that this woman, an advisor to a presidential candidate, is unaware of this fact proves that he is surrounded by idiots...add the one that said today he is not ready to answer a 3am call and neither is clinton - smart, very smart...keep giving the reps more ammunition...obama and his camp are so not ready for "prime time"...go back to school, all of you & come back in 8 years--unless rezko makes your political career go "puff"...
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:49:30
68 - Das Dumkoff - Huh?
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Bonnie B,

USA 07/03/2008 03:51:57
You might want to update your news regarding the secret meeting with Canada on NAFTA

"OTTAWA (AFP) - US presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton's campaign, while rapping rival Barack Obama for telling US voters he is anti-NAFTA and saying otherwise to Canada, tried to reassure Canada too, local media said Thursday."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080306/pl_afp/canadausdemocratsvotediplomacy
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indune1,

07/03/2008 03:55:33

74 - Well done. It is has been conveniently ignored that Clinton advisors also reassured Canadian officals that her strident - and somewhat puzzling opposition to NAFTA, considering that her husband signed the agreement ( where was she then?) - was only political posturing and pandering to the Ohio masses.
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Bonnie B,

07/03/2008 03:56:24
Ah there really IS hope! Hope that we could have some honesty in the White House. Hillary really is a monster!
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svsolis,

Chicago 07/03/2008 04:00:08
I think that Ms. Powers is more than a little arrogant. I guess she must believe that if you are poor you cannot think things out. What exactly did Hillary stoop to. Is it because she dared to question Obama's capability? Is that why she is a monster? I think Obama not knowing what his economic advisor had been doing and saying, indicates that he lacks some capability. I'm sure she is upset that a professor was embarresed, because of course, professors should not be exposed when they make mistakes. Know that working class people are intelligent, and they know what they like and believe. Obama is not being forthright, he has been caught not being truthful about many things. How dare Ms. Powers call Hillary names. What would the reaction be if Obama was called names by one of his advisors.
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ceemonster,

california, usa 07/03/2008 04:02:01
er....what "Ms. Powers' comments reveal"....is that she, and the Obama strategists, are no less ugly, low and dirty than the camp of any other contender in the current presidential race, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton included. that has been plain to see to anyone who has been watching, but this woman is a sow with a mouth on her like that of the delightful Ann Coulter, and these quotes say a lot about the cynicism and hypocrisy of Senator Obama's "we're above dirty pool" pose.
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indune1,

07/03/2008 04:05:56
81- And the Republicans must be just sh**ting themselves laughing at this most public of trainwrecks.

The Clinton team has now set the standard. Be absolutely squeaky clean in every regard. Only problem being is when it is proven that you are not it is the equivalent of a political freefall without a parachute.
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divapatriot7,

Detroit 07/03/2008 04:19:54
Gantry: it is time to crawl back under your rock, and take your personal dogs with you. Only a facist islamic fundamentalist thinks that dogs are bad. You must be one. Say "Hi" to achma-I-am-a-nut-job for us when you see him.
Let him know we are comin' for his rear end, too.
Love from Detroit.
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joeysky,

usa 07/03/2008 04:21:45
if i'm with Obama campaign, i'm more concern with her calling OH voters obsessed to vote for Clinton. I'm sure every OH voters cast their votes with conscious and concern of their future. Obama can kiss OH goodbye for GE. He will have little chance to win the state.

To dismiss voters like that after you lost their voters is not a good move.
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Devs,

Washingtron, D.C. 07/03/2008 04:22:02
To most of us getting negative emails from Obama's campaign this comes as NO surprise. The candidate of hope and change who is above it all is one of the lowest snakes ever in any race. The proof will come out. He has attacked everyone from the get go. He is incompetent and shouldn't even be in the U.S. Senate. Does this constitute Affirmative Action or just white guilt? Oh and if you don't vote for his sorry butt you're a racist.

If he wins or not there will be riots must worse than when O.J. won and someone ....ummm some exuberant youth gave me a black eye and nearly broke my cheek...but it was just happiness. Imagine anger?
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 04:29:34
Gantry:

The full relationship of Obama to Rezko is as follows.

Obama bought a house that had a separate strip of land next to it which was bought by Rezko. This strip of land was later sold to Obama, totally legally.

Next, Rezko helped legally raise campaign contributions for Obama's campaign, as he had done with many politicians over the years. He also donated $11,500 of his own money. Upon news of the impending Rezko trial reaching the Obama campaign, the $11,500 Rezko had contributed was forwarded to charity.

Lastly, Rezko wrote a letter of recommendation for an intern that ended up working with Obama for a few weeks.

That's it. If there's more, then you must be the keeper of that secret knowledge. Otherwise, there is absolutely nothing worrying about this connection. I think it's safe to say we all KNOW someone who's done something illegal or immoral at some point, but simply KNOWING them doesn't make us guilty by association.

Incidentally, this reply is really meant for people who may not know the whole story, not for you. It's clear that your mind is set regardless of things like facts.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 04:37:03
Your poem makes it clear now Gantry. You appear to be a bigot.

Way to rhyme "man" with "man" by the way. Very inventive.
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Devs,

Obama's brand of Foreign Policy...we in trouble no 07/03/2008 04:41:07
http://www.whackynation.com/2008/02/15/senator-barack-obama-proves-he-is-a-dangerous-man/

even more telling, and this isn't some republican spin, but actual facts about the man. The Press is going to investigate this and you can be sure the Republicans will.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/02/obama-islam-the.html

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jim de,

07/03/2008 04:48:03
there is a paper that hillary wrote in college about a
radical named alinsky , he wrote a "rules for radicals"

here are the first six

Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din
that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

" Rules for Radicals is written for the Have-Nots on how to take it away, the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy ".

kind of interesting
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07/03/2008 04:49:50
Sorry - but I do remind all new posters to read and heed posting # 69.
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jim de,

07/03/2008 05:15:29
hey, does anybody know how much hillary made on those cattle futures?
she and bill have a lot in common with all of us , what with all those fees bill has been getting from foreigners i think those tax returns will show a little more than 35 million usd
i wonder if they know how much a gallon of milk costs
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Grant10,

California 07/03/2008 05:24:47
HillBillie would make a great understudy to Karl Rove. She has the experience as a union bashing attorney at Walmart. Years of accepting lies from her husband. She has done pretty well at Karl Rove style politics in weak attemps to stop her opponent. By the way Barack won Texas Delagate count! Nice that she claimed victory before Caucus was finished!

There is a clear choice for the US. Obama/Edwards 08.

We dont need Bill Clintons Middle East money or the big drug companies influnce over our healthcare in the US. Any wonder why these two crooks wont reveal their ta returns?
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Dahveed,

USA 07/03/2008 05:32:33
As their shenanigans surface Americans are quickly going to grow tired and frustrated from yet another round of "Clinton Fatigue Syndrome." We had our belly full back in the 90's. Hillary and Bill will be defeated by their own unscrupulous behavior and dishonesty.
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PresidentHillary ,

Oregon 07/03/2008 05:38:37
I have never seen so many immature comments in one location. This website wins that prize big time. What a bunch of whiny, poor losers. So Illusionist Obama got his private parts in wringers over the past week. Get used to it. I knew that he wouldn't hold up to scrutiny. He is not seasoned. His pouty foreign policy aide Samantha Powers isn't either. If she were she would be able to come up with a description more worthy of a Pulitzer Prize winner than "monster!" "That's off the record." Pathetic wimpish amateur.
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CaliforniaBhoy,

07/03/2008 05:43:41
#12 It might take a ton of money to run for president and if you look at where the money comes from, then you have a good idea who will be getting favors from the next administration.

Hillary has taken more money from big business interests than ALL the other candidates, Republican or Democrat, combined.

Barak Obama has refused all big business and PAC money and has raised huge amounts, much from very modest donations, from the American people.

He knows who he owes when he wins because the only favors he owes is to us!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 07/03/2008 05:53:51
Barack Hussein Obama (his full name)

In my opinion is a
"Smoke and Mirror" dude.

He will not, and can not, change a dam thing inside the Beltway in Washington DC

GC
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CaliforniaBhoy,

07/03/2008 06:17:47
109 GC Is there a point behind your "(his full name)" comment?

We know that hillary won't change anything inside the beltway. She's taken a lot of special interest money.

We know that McCain won't either! He has over 80 lobbyists working on his campaign, including his campaign manager.

Obama will at least try to change te status quo-he doesn't owe the beltway establishment anything!

He who pays the piper calls the tune!
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DestinyBender,

The Colonies 07/03/2008 06:24:27
The complete review of Samantha Power's book "A Problem from Hell", says, "one hopes that Power's book will cause more widespread unease about America's sideline-role in (these) horrific genocidal events. Former president Clinton is vilified for engaging in sexual acts with an intern, but hardly anyone damns him for his callous disinterest and inaction during the Rwandan atrocities. A strange sort of moral relativism indeed. (It's a wonder Clinton can sleep at night: there are few blacker marks on any former president than Rwanda on him.) Obviously, this is not the first Clinton that Power thinks ill of. It also reveals how much of a 'Blame America Firster' this International Policy Advisor to The Dali Bhama, really is.
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AbleGoodman,

Grand Junction, CO, USA 07/03/2008 06:29:04
It's too bad the site administrators feel that censorship is necessary. In view of what was left on the site, I would be very curious to see what was removed, and why. I would tend to remove only obscene expletives and body-function ad hominem attacks.
Like government, the administrators seem to want to exercise their power without the attendant accountability. Oh well, it's their website, and, like government, they can run it any way they want.
Tolkien was right: the One Ring of (political) Power is inherently evil and inevitably corrupting. The proof lies in all the hyper-emotional ad hominem blather on this talk string.
That's why I hate wannabe-clever politics: winning by any means is everything, while ideas and principles are nothing.
Billary is a disgraceful cancer on the American body politic. So are the "shoulder-pad gender feminist" Klinton Kool-Aid drinkers. They should be ashamed of themselves, but, being narcissists, they have no shame.
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Dwiniel,

Long Beach, California. 07/03/2008 06:29:41
Folks, let me preface with stating that I despise Hillary Clinton and have little use for Barrack Obama and I won't bore you with the details as to why. Let me just say I'm an old school pre Reagan style conversative. However, based I what I just read here, regardless of off or on the record, the woman has to go. One cannot get into that kind of dialouge and allow it into print. Second of all, Obama has been skating far too long and has a variety of prickly issues and frankly dodges substance. However, all of that aside, his main advantage has been in seeming to be above politcal mudslining. He must denouce and fire this woman because if he doesn't, he winds up in the mud with the Clintons, looses his perceived cleaniness and frankly, they are experts at this. On top of it all, if the man is foolish enough to have this woman as an advisor one must question his judgement. And yes, in my personal opinion, Hillary is a monster and makes her husband looks honest.
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Jesable,

Los Angeles, California 07/03/2008 06:41:09
Nothing but first signs of desperation!

I can't wait to see these people's face after all the superdelegates flock to Hillary's camp. Pennsylvania is Obama's last fire wall. They need to be ready for the moment of truth!
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KFED,

Yosemite 07/03/2008 06:43:58
"When pressed, he said he's attended the North Phoenix Baptist Church in Arizona for more than 15 years, though he has never been baptized in that church. Now see, that's exactly the problem. Baptism is kind of a big thing in the Baptist Church. (That's how they got the name.) No baptism, not Baptist."

As long as Sen. McCain was baptized, no matter under what denomination, I don't think he would need to be baptized again.

As far as those whining about this comment by Ms. Power being off the record, you need to go back a read the WHOLE article, the author explains why it is now ON THE RECORD!
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CarolC,

DC 07/03/2008 06:44:45
What a fool Ms. Powers is. If that's the caliber of advisor Obama chooses, we're all in trouble if he wins the presidency.
Hillary's such a "monster" for running ads that said she was the most capable person to be president. What did that ridiculous Ms. Powers expect -- Hillary to run ads praising Obama. What a bunch of amateurs.
And for those of you commenting on Rezko, he has been a close friend of Obama's for almost 20 years. Rezko made it possible for Obama to buy his home by buying the lot next door that was being sold along with it. At the time, Rezko was already under investigation for influence peddling. And Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to Obama's campaigns.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 06:47:28
107 "I have never seen so many immature comments in one location."

I take it you haven't seen many comments on Breitbart.com, have you?
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KFED,

07/03/2008 06:53:41
111-"You americans are good people but YOU dont ever want another George W Bush in power, as he is defineatly not for the working class of your country."

Whoa there, as a tax Paying American who makes a mid 5 figure income(I am the working class), Pres. Bushes tax cuts saves me about $2500.00 a year.

He's helped this working man out a lot!
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:06:36
"KFED.
how may people in the USA unmployed?"

Our unemployment rate is at 5%, can you say the same about your country???
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:07:40
Rather, I should say that 95% of our country is employed!
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joeysky,

07/03/2008 07:26:54
"We f***** up in Ohio," What a classy remark by foreign policy advisor.
Obama might need to rethink about his staff personal.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:31:51
"And 95% employed that impressive, but how many legally???"

All of it is legal. the illegals aren't counted, as they are not citizens and their numbers are not included.

If the Illegals are counted, it is still 5%!

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Jigs,

Laho Kole , Hawaii 07/03/2008 07:33:30
If you can imagine an organized crime syndicate run by vampires, that is an apt description of the Clinton Machine. They never give up, they never concede anything, and they always somehow manage to pop back to life. Hillary is driven by the flop sweat mania to replace her historical footnote from "wife of Monica Lewinsky's impeached boyfriend" with "first woman president, hung socialized medicine around the neck of the U.S." Bill is driven by the desire to get a third term in the Whitehouse, which is what this entire thing is really all about(just ask any clintonite true believer). Both of them want power back like a crack addict wants his next hit. So, yes, she is a monster to put it mildly.



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nabodican,

Rural Scotland 07/03/2008 07:35:12
This is when American elections gets really interesting.
Bring on the sleaze and corruption !!!!!!!!
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Experince...when has that ever been questioned,

USA 07/03/2008 07:36:31
The elusive and unstable foundation upon which the Obama party has built its campaign is starting to crake...wonder why? Lack of experience. Try translating charism in the Middle East. Clinton has a solid foundation and the experience which is recognized across the world.
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rancid brown,

Brown the Traitor 07/03/2008 07:37:07
She is a monster. All candidates are the same, except Ron Paul.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:40:12
Gas=3.39 a gallon.
Utilities= 50.00 a month, in the summer slightly higher.

I think the tax cuts help me make up the differnce!
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:42:29
"She is a monster. All candidates are the same, except Ron Paul."

Ron Paul has proven himself to be insignifcant in this election!
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KFED,

07/03/2008 07:47:55
"she always let us know she has a president husband. I did not care who are the winner as a ordinary citizen.
I'm a bi. Hope the new president support GBLT people more."

........?????? Nevermind!
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voltaire's janny,

07/03/2008 08:15:31
Ugly
American

These two words just cannot stay apart can they?

The seedy lust for power is exposed by the pathetic 19th century voting system that compells the circus we are witnessing now.

Dubbya got in 1st time after a political coup.

Just as with school buses, crappy electrical fittings and truly minging beer, Americans cannot escape their anachronisms.

Maybe a woman would bring a welcome reduction in testosterone to the world's biggest bully, but I cannot shift the image of Hils at the big desk with some fit young researcher underneath giving it revenge for Monica.
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kyunschooler,

usa 07/03/2008 08:32:04
The part of this story referring to Mr. Goolsbee is entirely inaccurate, and he made no "gaffe" at all. The Canadian government has apologized for the mischaracterization of his remarks, and the entire story was flubbed by the mainstream American press. That is where the damage to the campaign in Ohio happened. There is now new evidence that the "gaffe" attributed to Mr. Goolsbee was actually committed by the Clinton campaign, which actually committed the act the Obama campaign was accused of--Clinton operatives contacted Canadian officials and said that they were only engaging in political posturing in Ohio in their NAFTA remarks. There is ongoing into the background of how this story was leaked and transformed in the way it came out. Check Canadian press for more details.
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kyunschooler,

USA 07/03/2008 08:42:17
Please check out Glenn Greenwald's blog in Salon for a thorough analysis of the Rezko non-story.
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/
"The Rezko Game" March 06, 2008 blog

There is absolutely nothing to indicate any wrongdoing by Barack Obama in relation to Rezko, but read this analysis of how these stories take on a life of their own.
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 08:42:46
Jacobite

Yes the West is corrupt. Maybe more than Africa, maybe not. But there is a difference.
In the west, the white man has advanced to the point where corruption in government does not completely destroy the lives of the general public. Whilst corrupt officials exist in the west, the local municipalites still maintain their respective suburbs, towns and cities. People have jobs and food, incompetence is rare and violence is not the norm.
Asking for grants is not a western trait, offering grants is.
Crruption is wrong at any level, but at least in the west the corruption is not at the expense of ALL the masses to the point that people are starving to death and thirsty.
Hillary will probably win, but lets hope she doesnt win the presidency. She will cause untold carnage.
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KFED,

07/03/2008 08:51:59
"Please check out Glenn Greenwald's blog in Salon for a thorough analysis of the Rezko non-story."

Salon is nothing but a liberal rag, and will print anything to make thenselves and their editorial board look good! Rezko is a story if you care to dig deeper and actually seek the truth!.

Rezko is just scratching the surface of Obamesiahs "truth"!!!

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davegolf,

Heidelberg, Germany 07/03/2008 08:52:53
Hillary IS a monster, will tell any lie, and will stop at nothing to win. This is not in doubt. Claiming that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary is one classic example of this - she was born in 1947 while Sir Edmund Hillary did not ascend Everest until 1953. Check out this article by Christopher Hitchens for the full story: http://www.slate.com/id/2182065

However, shame on the Scotsman for so clearly violating one of the the most basic tenets of journalism. So maybe Ms Power should have said the comment was off the record before she made it, but that really is splitting hairs. I doubt the Scotsman would ever have solved Watergate with such apparent disdain for the the conventions of journalism.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 08:56:44
Gantry:

In post 92, you claim, based on no actual evidence or proof that Rezko financed Obama's purchase of his house in Chicago. If you have some evidence or proof of this, then by all means, share. I'm sure that both the press and Clinton's campaign would appreciate this stunning new information that no one else seems to have. As far as what's been released in every news source I can find anywhere, the house was bought by Obama, and the strip of land next to it was bought by Rezko, period. Later on, part of that strip of land was sold by Rezko to Obama. And all of it was legal.

Secondly, you claim that Rezko is godfather to one of Obama's children. One, how about sharing your source on that claim as well? And two, even if it was true, then so what? Again....simply knowing someone who's broken the law or done something immoral doesn't make you guilty by association. And if you DO think that guilt by association is fair game, then are you at all concerned about Hillary's half-brother, Roger Clinton, who went to jail for drug-related charges and was then pardoned by Bill?

Meanwhile, I can claim all day with absolute factual certainty that Clinton's health care plan failed in the 1990's because she was so divisive in her handling of it that she even alienated members of her own Democratic Party who were totally on board with passing health care reform. I can also state unequivocally that she is one of the people who gave Bush authorization to undertake a war in Iraq that has cost at least tens of thousands of lives, and trillions of dollars.

Based on facts, you lose the debate, Gantry. I know you'll continue to spout your hateful, sometimes even racially motivated (post 89) rhetoric, but there it is, sport. Too bad the moderators already removed that one....it really showed you for who you are. Although, based on the lies you've been posting, you'll probably claim there was nothing racially charged in that "poem".
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KFED,

07/03/2008 09:01:54
"davegolf,So maybe Ms Power should have said the comment was off the record before she made it, "

Go back and read post 117, if you dare! Make sure you read the ENTIRE article before you try to sound intelligent just because you have read the first and last paragraph of the article!
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Number 6,

Germany 07/03/2008 09:09:55
The scenes at the polling booths in Texas were shameful, and looked like something out of a 3rd world country. Sheets of papers being stolen, car chases, police being called because people running polls were refusing to accept ballots from Obama supporters, claims that the stations had run out of ballot papers etc
etc etc. dreadful, nasty, dirty underhand politics.

It has CLINTON written all over it.
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Number 6,

Germany 07/03/2008 09:12:54
Astonishing that Obama would be so heavily critisised over his relationship with Rezko. Once again, it pales into insignificance compared to the people the Clinton's are involved with. Almost surreal the way the American population can be manipulated with so called "Perception management".
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eaanders,

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Inside- 07/03/2008 09:15:22
If the order of battle includes castration of the enemy then Clinton is fully qualified to be commander in chief. She and her campaign have been rooting around in the gutter like a pig for some time now, and she has found many of the press there to repeat the drivel she has been spewing or implying about Obama, over and over again. Obama should continue to stay on the high ground, since pigs ultimately get their due when they are slaughtered, in this case, at the polls.
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Number 6,

Germany 07/03/2008 09:17:56
135 Jacobite, just remind us again of the corruption involving Lord Archer and Thatcher. Does it come anywhere near the scale of LABOUR corruption ?.

If you are looking for examples , use the most effective and recent. Thats LABOUR LABOUR LABOUR.
thankyou.
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what kind of article is this?,

whatever 07/03/2008 09:21:06
"But by then it is too late, particularly if it is in the public interest that the story be published."

What bullcrap. Is it really in the "public interest" that someone--anyone--calls Hillary a monster? What exactly is the importance of that particular line to inform voters on things that matter, such as domestic and foreign policies?

Samantha Power is a respectable academic who advises Obama on FOREIGN POLICY. If anyone pays attention at all, she gave a respectable comment on his experience in FOREIGN POLICY, which the author disrespectfully includes at the end of the story. For the headline, he instead writes in big letters her comments from an "unguarded moment" during the interview, during which she probably didn't know that the interview has begun/resumed. This shows just how low the quality of journalism in this publication is. Mr. Peev should be ashamed of himself for stooping so low just to get attention.
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grandbrother,

Los Angeles 07/03/2008 09:22:36
In response to post 130 on the issue of experience, I have two points to make. One, Hillary's experience is hardly as solid as she likes to make it sound. 8 years of it were as First Lady, not in any elected office where she was held directly accountable to people that voted for her to represent them.

Two, and this goes for what I just said about Hillary as well, experience, in and of itself, is a highly overrated qualification. I'll give some varied examples to make the point as succinctly as I can.

First example, Abraham Lincoln, generally accepted as a great president, didn't even have a third the amount of experience that his predecessor, a generally accepted failure of a president named James Buchanan, had.

Second example, Dwight Eisenhower had NEVER BEEN ELECTED TO ANY OFFICE before becoming one of the country's most successful presidents ever.

Third example, switching up the theme, Steven Spielberg has made tons of movies. If experience is a clear, solid measure of ability to effectively do a job, then "Hook", one of his later films which was generally accepted as a not-very-good film, should have been a far superior film to "Jaws", one of his earlier projects.

And even in my own experience as someone who has done a great deal of hiring for a large corporation, I've frequently hired people straight out of college who have done a far superior job to people with decades of experience.

Lastly, there have even been scientific studies done that have shown that frequently, experience falls far behind raw ability as a relevant qualification, and is even at times a drawback because experience can foster more of a going-through-the-motions attitude. It's something you've done a hundred times, so you breeze through it and make a careless mistake.

So the point is, I think experience is far less important than ability. Take that for whatever it's worth.
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Westmacott,

US 07/03/2008 09:23:34
Unlike Ms. Powers, I am not an attorney, nor a Pulitzer Prize winner; I did not go to Yale, nor the Harvard School of Law.

However, I am a political operative and I do know how to speak to the press! When I am breaking confidences (in order to provide background), I FIRST tell the reporter that my observations are going to be "off the record" and then THEY have the choice of proceeding, or not.

Ms. Powers said something stupid and then tried to cover it up. "WHOOPS, that was off the record" can NEVER be claimed, AFTER THE FACT!

This woman may have all sorts of credentials (I can only guess how she "earned" those credentials) but she is still (as we say in the business) "a loose cannon."

If she is representative of Obama's campaign; it is no wonder he is beginning to fail. She is ignorant and vulgar. Case closed.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 09:35:52
What is clear about this election is that when it comes to large popular votes Obama does not win. He can only win states with large numbers of black voters, states that are relatively small and conservative, and caucuses.

The caucus system has to be the most unrepresentative selection system ever - Texas itself shows how ludicrous it is - how can 100,000 voters in the caucus elected a third of the delegates compared the two-thirds allocated to 2.8 million wwho voted in the primary. Caucuses are also unrepresentative as they disenfranchise many including those with work and family commitments. Caucuses favour the fanatics and zealots - and guess who has most of those?

No doubt someone will say that those are the rules. That would be all and fine if the rules were fair. But as we have seen with Michigan and Florida - there appears to be one set of rules for some states and another set of rules for the others.
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MonikaS ,

USA 07/03/2008 09:39:37
The Clinton machine will stop at nothing. Beneath her forced smile, Hillary's core is frightening. Unfortunately, just watch them spin Obama's defense of himself and his campaign as an attack on a "female" candidate. Quite absurd given the current situation.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 09:46:54
Hillary won Texas, Ohio and RI on Tuesday. She will be Americas next president. We can't wait.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 09:47:29
#54 Rezko links run much deeper.

* an internship the senator provided the son of a contributor at the request of Rezko

* Obama and Rezko's wife bought adjacent properties on Chicago's South Side, closing the deals on the same day. Seven months later, wanting a bigger yard for his $1.65 million house, Obama bought a slice of the Rezko property for $104,500 - way below the market value

* While Rezko was known to be under federal investigation, Obama toured a Chicago-area home with him to get his opinion of the property


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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 09:57:40
In post 155, it's falsely claimed that "He (Obama) can only win states with large numbers of black voters, states that are relatively small and conservative, and caucuses."

So then how do you explain Iowa? Or Vermont? Or Connecticut? Or Wisconsin? Or the fact that in Texas as in other states, he generally won the big population cities while Clinton won the bulk of the rural areas?

As with most claims that come out of the Clinton camp and it's supporters, yet again, this assertion doesn't hold up to honest scrutiny.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:00:40
Iowa - er that's a caucus

Vermont - that's a small state

Wisconsin - relatively small state (electoral college votes)

So what's your point Obamasshole?
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:01:52
#160 Apart from his home state of Illionois and the balck-domiated state of Georgia - what other big states has Obama won?
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Biker,

Ayr 07/03/2008 10:02:19
Collonials fighting amongst themselves on the Scotsman web pages? You could'nt make it up.
Go Hillary, you are still the acceptable face over here.
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Publius,

London 07/03/2008 10:02:40
Some points.
(1) There are two ways of choosing the head of government. There is the US way with primaries in which lots of people vote and there is the Granita Restaurant way in which two men meet in a restaurant and divvi up the job between themselves for the next 11 or 12 years. I prefer the US way.
(2) A lot of fuss by the Clinton camp about her being the first woman president. We've already had a woman prime minister. The difference is that Denis Thatcher wasn't PM before his spouse.
(3) If the next US president is a protectionist and ends NAFTA there will be a catastrophe in world trade and we'll all feel the fallout.
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:03:01
To post 158, yeah, I mentioned more of those specifics in a later reply, too. So what? Obama got a slice of a garden for below market value, so we're supposed to assume it must've been illegal and he'd be a bad president? This is supposed to be some kind of damning revelation?
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:10:52
Post 161...I actually meant to delete Iowa before I posted. My bad.

Aside from that, my point is that the bulk of your qualifications are relatively loose and easily manipulated. We could both do the same back and forth. I could talk about the Latino vote in response to the black vote, etc. But what's most important at the end of the day is that Obama is leading in the overall popular vote, the overall delegate count, and in number of states won. That's a hard collection of leads to discount.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:11:12
There has been a lot of bull put abpout by Obama supporters regards Florida and Michigan.

Florida's primary was moved up by the REPUBLICAN governor Charlie Crist not by the state Democratic Party as the Obamamites keep saying.

Michigan was slightly different - the main mover was a Democratic senator and it was supported by the state senate - by both REPUBLICANS and Democrats. The first primary was paid for by the state of Michigan NOT the parties so technically speaking the Democratic Party should be able to finance a re-run there.

Other states moved up primaries or caucuses without penalty including:

* Iowa
* New Hampshire
* Nevada
* South Carolina
* Alaska
* Arizona
* Arkansas
* California
* Colorado
* Connecticut
* Georgia
* Idaho
* Illinois
* Massachusetts
* Minnesota
* Missouri
* New Jersey
* New York
* Oklahoma
* Tennessee
* Utah
* Maryland

In fact it would have been easier to lists states that have NOT moved primaries and caucuses than those who have!!

Why were they allowed to move their elections up without penalty yet Michigan and Florida were not?

I know that some said it was because New Hampshire and Iowa have always been first.

Why was February 5 seen as the cut-off point for movement?

Why was South Carolina or Nevada not treated as Florida and Michigan?

Why should some states be allowed to move and others are not?

Why should some states have more of an influence over the nomination process than other states?

The sad truth is that if Michigan and Florida voters are ignored they will back john McCain come November. Personally, I'd be happy with re-run primaries in both states but NOT caucuses or firehoses that are not representative at all.
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jaqueline,

U S A 07/03/2008 10:19:30
TO post 165

When did a "slice of garden" cost so very, very, very,very much??? And Rezko also put 30% down on Obamas mansion he couldn't afford on his own. Why did he have to live in a mansion in the first place? Why???

Obama is Bush and Cheneys cousin. What are thinking trying to put a 4th generation Bush back into the WH???? Bush I, Bush II, Cheney and Obama. What are you thinking?

And the land deal was fishy and under handed. Obama would be a horrible president. And it is a damning revelation. Wake up before you stick America with another Bush! Wake up!!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:21:48
#166 Don't get me wrong - I don't trust Hillary Clinton either BUT I honestly believe that the Democrats will lose with either candidate come November. Hillary because she will unite the Republicans and Obama because I don't believe he can win the big states that have the large numbers of electoral votes. He may take New York and California but he won't win Ohio, Pennsylvania, Flordida or Texas - and that loses elections.

Moreover, Obama still has to be seriously attacked by the GOP - at least with Clinton we know there are not any skeletons in her cupboard as they are all in the puiblic domain. You just can't know with Obama - and call me cynical but I've yet to meet or see a politician who does not have some dirt that can be raked up.

The only way I can see the Democratic candidate winning is if Obama and Clinton run on a joint ticket (either as VP by the way) - both would bring togther diverse groups of the population with Obama supplying the big picture and Clinton the detail.

The sad thing is that they probably do not have that much fundamentally different in their policies.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 10:24:53
Publius

You don't think the USA having its first woman president in our nations 200 plus years of history is H U G E??

What???
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Allan(handofgod137),

07/03/2008 10:25:21
Truth in politics, shock horror.
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Tim McGraw,

Myrtle Beach, SC USA 07/03/2008 10:25:43
It is so much fun to watch the Democrats imploding. Angry middle aged white women versus angry blacks and goofy kids (rock the bong) and when this is finally over one of these groups will stay home on election day. When the smoke clears, America will elect McCain and capitalism will be the victor
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 10:26:19
The Federalist...

First, your comment on allowing or disallowing an "off the record" before or after the statement is made is patently childish. Rather like a game of Simon Says!

You are either honourable as a reporter or not. Period. No Games. No equivocating.

Second point: you are obviously a Democratic operative.
In #155 you were whining about the states not being "fair".

You must not be an American or know nothing about her political structure -- good or bad!

Each state is a seperate STATE. They make their own laws. The bow to the Federal government to manage the common laws of the union: defense, foreign policy, currency, etc.

Even more absurdly (from the whining point of view), the seperate states within a given party are not beholding to anyone -- not regulated by anything -- but the party operatives within that state.

Nothing "fair" about that? Go join your local Democratic organisation and work out your issues there!

Maybe you should learn a bit more about America before posting to sites pretending to be an American.

As it is, you tend to give the impression that we are ALL Jack-asses!





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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:29:19
On the last post (167), yeah, I'd be fine with primaries being re-run too, if they can find someone to pay for them. What would be wrong is seating the delegates as they currently stand as Clinton is arguing they should be when there was no campaigning in those states, and only Hillary's name on the ballot in Michigan...hardly makes their outcomes accurate.

And going back to your post 161, you had listed "small and conservative" as a seemingly intertwined set of conditions. Vermont and Wisconsin aren't particularly conservative. And the big cities in Texas run counter to your claims as well.

Lastly to post 161, your unmotivated and immediate leap to name calling sure was classy.

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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 10:32:30
#167
The Federalist

You must be a rather young piss-ant. You don't remember who traditionally was first in the primaries?

You're just not very credible as a pontificator, are you?


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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 10:32:39

Senator Clinton will be out next president of the United States. Obama never will be. Hillary has never lost to a republican and she never will.

Hillary knows how the republicans tick, Obama doesn't. He is whiney now. Obama has a glass jaw and that is not presidential.

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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:35:03
#173 I made no comment about the reported comment - are you mistaking me for somebodyelse?

As for pretending to be an American - that too is ludicrous - too many posters here know who I am - I just keep a close watch on the election and in my opinion the system is not fair.

I did say that those were the rules the candidates had to play under - as for saying that it is upto the states to decide - then why did the DNC act as they did over Florida and Michigan?

It seems crazy to me that ceratin states seem to have more rights than other states when it comes to setting primary and caucus dates - that is wrong.

Why should Iowa. New hampshire, nevada and South carolina be allowed to have primaries/caucuses before Fevruary 5 and all other states are barred?

Rules may be rules but it is patently clear to me that some rules are idiotic and not justified.

As someone who would vote democrat in a US election I also mad ethe point that barring Michigan and Florida would damage the Democratic party as a whole - even Obama's organisation privately admits this - they are reported to not being adverse to a re-run in those two states.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:36:19
#175 Sending young boys up chimneys was also tradition in this country but it doesn't make ir right.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:40:34
#174 Apologies for the name-calling - a bad habit from US sites - especially dealing with the extremely blinkered on both sides.
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:43:12
To post 169, there are other considerations. First off, I believe neither will be the other's VP for a host of reasons that would get us off track to go into now.

But more importantly, if the massive Democratic voter turnout in the primaries is any indication, then I'd say Obama has a solid shot at winning big states in the general election.

Next, the GOP can't be much better than the fighting CLintons at digging up dirt, and she's found nothing of substance on Obama yet, and the current claims about Rezko and Canada she's making probably won't have any real staying power. There's no evidence of wrongdoing by Obama on either. Effective short-term tactics maybe, but long term? I don't believe so.

And lastly, no, they aren't very different in their policies at all. That's why I've been focussing so intently on their character, and Clinton has a well-documented, flawed character. It's what largely killed her health care reform plan in the '90's, and it's what drives her to turn nasty every time she starts getting in trouble during thess primary elections.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:43:31
#175 I'm a wee bit older than you are average Obama supporter.

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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:44:40
I need to proof read " you are" should be "your" - changed my line of thought and didn't change the sentence.

My bad.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 10:45:16
P.S.

To: The Federalist

I think in all honour you should discard your mantle of "the federalist". That title was held by

Alexander Hamilton
James Madison
James Jay

Three very honourable men in America's history. It is a gross disservice to them for you to pucker up your chest and strut about under THEIR mantle.

What was it that Robbie Burns has said?

Ye see yon birkie, ca'd a lord,
Wha struts, an' stares, an' a' that;
Tho' hundreds worship at his word,
He's but a coof for a' that:
For a' that, an' a' that,
His ribband, star, an' a' that:
The man o' independent mind
He looks an' laughs at a' that.



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Spamhead,

Bathgate 07/03/2008 10:46:47
What i like about this is good honest debate a lesson learned here for both the Clinton and Obama camps?

As for Ms Power the fact that she calls herdelf Ms tells me all i need to know about her? ok the fact i am making a point about it tell you all you need to know about me? you may well be right but then again maybe not?

Ms Power ****** up more than her camp did in Ohio, when speaking to a Journo she should have known better than to establish rules before hand rather than retract her faux pas? A reporter is like a scorpion play with it long enough you will get stung, she should have kept her gloves on at all times.

Clinton has more chance of beating McCain than Obama and Obama wont be popular with us or any of your other allies as far as i can see? If he gets the gig I dont think he will be the one in control? Obama will be a puppet! opps thats off the record!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:48:42
#181 the assumption is that cross-over Republicans and independents will stay with Obama. I have serious doubts. We have already seen how the fear card loses Obama support - Carl Rove will play the fear card for all its worth and not directly but more subtley they will use race as an issue as well.

In any case it would be stupid for the Republicans to attack too soon - better to wait for the candidate to be nominated then attack.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 10:49:50
#184 You misunderstand - I am a federalist regards the the UK and Europe.
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tiredofit,

Michigan 07/03/2008 10:51:05
It appears as if Obama's judgment in selecting a foreign policy aid is rather like Bush Jr's judgment when he said Brownie was doing a heck of a job.

Nothing like sound/rational diplomacy.

Lord help us, we can not survive another year of "best judgment".
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 10:58:41
jaqueline, on posts 168 and 176, are you serious?

In 168, you think the price of the land Obama bought in Chicago cost "so very, very, very,very much". Okay. So what? High real estate prices are reason to doubt a candidate's ability to be president? Really? And where do you find information that says Rezko put up 30% of the cost of the mansion? You need to get your facts straight.

And Obama is not "Bush and Cheney's cousin" as you say. You think Bush and Cheney are related then? Obama is a distant, distant, distant cousin of Cheney....a point that Obama has mentioned to get a laugh from time to time.

And Hillary has never lost to a Republican? Ever? You mean in her two Senatorial elections in New York, a primarily Democratic State, she's managed to power through to victory? It's very hard to take you seriously. I sincerely hope you're not old enough to vote.
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Lock,

07/03/2008 11:00:26
Great photo.

'Heil Clinton!'
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tiredofit,

Michigan 07/03/2008 11:02:51
Is voting in the general election going to be more like a primary or a caucus? Which states gain a candidate more electoral votes? Remember getting the popular vote means nothing in the general election. A candidate needs 270 Electoral Votes to win. Up to now Hillary would have more Electoral Votes than Obama. Which two states going red cost the Dems the White House 2000 and 2004? Ohio is a necessary state to win, was a primary instead of a caucus and Hillary walked away with it. Can the Dems really afford to gamble and make the weaker candidate their nominee?
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ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 11:04:19
Who gives a f**k about the American presidential race. The most inward looking country in the world, unless it suits them to go on and fight based on flimsy excuses.

My only request to the American nation is to vote for somebody better than the current president, shouldn't be too difficult!
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grandbrother,

07/03/2008 11:04:20
To post 186, the independants (like me) and crossover Republicans are one thing, but Democratic voter turnout this year has smashed all previous records while Republican voter turnout has been much closer to average. If that trend carries through to the general election, as I suspect it will to a significant degree, then that will make the difference.
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Kipling,

07/03/2008 11:05:15
#9. nickname ;), perhaps you're right. But the guy I knew was regular and certainly not wealthy, nor was he remotely a "terrorist" (unlike the educational institutions in the UK who sabotaged inovative thinking in the late '80s as they quickly revised their contracts to keep in line with government thinking). Clinton's America, at least at the beginning, before perhaps corruption set into that family's way (but Obama isn't exactly squeaky clean,is he?), was a welcome place for a number of UK academics fleeing the economically-encouraged political "glass ceiling" that was installing itself under Thatcher. I think this was more likely under Clinton than under Bush snr.
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Kipling,

07/03/2008 11:07:54
Counting houses, that's the phrase for the UK academic environment.
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Devs,

Sheesh 07/03/2008 11:08:27
I get negative and nasty emails from Obama's campaign on a daily basis that are misinformed. Yeah Obama is above it all. Calling someone a monster crosses the line. Obama is a wimp because he lets his staff say all these things while he tells us he is above Washington politics. Unfortunately, he can't even perform his Senate duties...see Senate Foreign Relations. Then again a man who belongs for 20 years to a racist and anti-semitic church, why are we surprised. But this dude is the exact opposite of what he preaches. Typical of preachers though.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:09:17
The Federalist
#177

So, who the hell are you? Mr. Federalist! Maybe I am the newcomer and don't know this Lordie by sight. Please introduce yourself.

Look at your comments about being fair in #155 to see what I was responding to. You must have a short memory.

Concerning the system:

It's definitely not fair. It's "democratic".

Now to put my tupence in:
I think the caucus system is only there to manipulate the system. It seems to be a favourite of the Democrats for some reason as is the "super delegates", but that's another story.

The other manipulation of deligates in the Democrats' system is this strange apportionment they award deligates by. Particularly in Texas. I don't pretend to understand the manipulation of it but the votes of more DENSELY populated areas seem to count more than un-populous areas even if the areas have the same total population. Supposedly that is why Clinton got less deligates out of Texas than her popular vote would have presumed.

Does that make any sense? It doesn't to me, but the politicos in Texas seem to think it makes sense.

Plus: re-voting in Florida and Michigan just isn't logical. If they can't get their story straight then, $%^* them. It's the problem whithin that state and that's where it ends. It's not the nation's problem.




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Kipling,

07/03/2008 11:12:07
Sorry, should have been installed itself under Thatcher & then continued by her successors, each and every one.
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maxim101,

san jose california usa 07/03/2008 11:12:15
obama you are just now experiencing the clinton smear machine. the same machine that smeared every lady that came out and exposed the former president and his sex escapades.

obama - a word of advice - monica lewinsky - monica lewinsky - monica lewinksy - monica lewinsky

what a legacy the clintons have left for america -
white water
mr fosters mysterious death
lost files
smearing all those ladies
monica lewinsky
unable to release tax returns (to the public)
trashing the white house upon departure

SAD situattion - one can only hope
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 11:16:04
fresian

First of all Edinburgh is beautiful place.

And second do you think Bush, Kennedy, Washington, Lincoln and every other male leader in the world are the same? I don't. Why do you think one woman is like billions of others? Take it from a woman, we are all different just the way you guys are.

And Hillary will be one of the best presidents you guys around the world will ever see. You will be very happy with the drastic change from Bush. Give Hillary a chance to prove to you how great she will be. Give her the same chance you would any other man.
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MtnKat,

07/03/2008 11:16:29
167 The Federalist
I read somewhere that candidates were not the only items on the ballot in Florida. There were iniatives/referendums(?) requiring all parties to go to the polls.
I must admit to being confused at how and why a party can or would want to disenfranchise their electorate.

As for my take on Obama.....too smooth by half. There is also the inconsistences of his wife's background. She was from a privileged upper middle class family, yet is being portrayed as having worked herself up out of the ghetto. She, too, is opening her mouth before her brain has been engaged.

The cracks in the facade are widening as was to be expected.

All in all, great theatre. Thanks, Yanks, you are showing our Wendy up for the second rater she is.

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ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 11:16:57
#199 'smear', nice pun, lol!
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:19:56
# 187
The Federalist.

Well, then we may or may not be on common ground.

First, I believe that Europeans, in general, have absolutely no concept of a Federal Government.

Secondly, I believe the EU's concept of a Federal Government was created from the bottom up insead of from the head down.

And that single fact bodes very ill for Britain and Scotland.

When America built its governement, it had the luxury of many good Scots' minds in the mix. Too bad the EU doesn't have the same luxury!







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Reader11722,

New York, New York 07/03/2008 11:25:38
'Monster' Hillary, empty-suit Obama, war-monger McCain, does it really matter? Unfortunately it took segregationist Governor Wallace to reveal the truth that "there's not a dime's worth of difference between" Republicans and Democrats. The Democrats willingly went along with the War in Iraq, suspension of Habeas Corpus, detaining protesters, banning books like "America Deceived' from Amazon, stealing private lands (Kelo decision), warrant-less wiretapping and refusing to investigate 9/11 properly. They are both guilty of treason.
Support Dr. Ron Paul and save this great nation.
Last link (before Google Books bends to gov't Will and drops the title):
http://www.iuniverse.com/bookstore/book_detail.asp?&isbn=0-595-38523-0
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Angus Ogg,

07/03/2008 11:32:50
Gerri Peev,

DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT MEANS WHEN SOMEONE SAYS TO A JOURNALIST THAT:

"THIS IS OFF THE RECORD"

YOU WILL NOT REMAIN A JOURNALIST FOR LONG IF IT GETS OUT YOU ARE TOTALLY UNTRUSTWORTHY. THOUGH HAVING SAID THAT, THE BAR (PROFESSIONAL NOT ALCOHOL) ISNT SET THAT HIGH FOR JOURNALISM.

SHAME ON THE SCOTSMAN FOR LOWERING ITS REPUTATION BY PRINTING "OFF THE RECORD" REMARKS JUST TO TRY AND GET A SMALL SCOOP.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:37:58
#204
Reader 11722

I'm sorry, but it sounds like you skipped your meds this morning, but I dig what you're saying.

"Technological breakthrough allows US government to provide free, unlimited energy to the nation.

"The cost? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Holocaust in America begins…"

The only problem is that Ron Paul hasn't a Chinaman's chance. What do you do then? You need to find a more viable source of fuel.

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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 11:41:12
To many of you Obama people are consumed with President Clinton's sex life? Get one of your own. Over half of all Americans are having affairs. Go hide under their bed for kicks.

And you guys continue to lie about Hillary like it is sport. The republicans lied about the Clinton's the way you Obama people do. And it cost the American tax payers over 60 million dollars!! Over 60 million dollars!! Whitewater alone has been poured over with 60 million of our tax payers money and nothing was found. NOTHING. And their good friend takes his own life and you pieces of work say something like that. You Obama people slander all day and all night long don't you? Enjoying yourself?

Do you want taxpayers to spend another 60 million to pour over Rezko, Sinclair, Michelle O. walmart money, fishy investments and fishy stocks? I don't think so. Keep it up and we will hold fund raisers so we can. Image so many other things we can find. A wonder what else is out there to be uncovered about Obama? What indeed.
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R. Vallee,

Washington D.C. 07/03/2008 11:41:49
I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels that printing "off the record" comments reprehensible. Gerri Peev is now known to the world as a journalist who can't be trusted. Good luck finding another scoop, you low-life.
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barbe,

San Andreas 07/03/2008 11:44:29
I am an American and actually for McCain. But let me refer you to some facts about Obama.

1: google or search resko and obama

2: goggle or search farrakhan and obama

3: and this is the most important. google or search
nadhmi auchi and then nadhmi auchi obama. This man has links to Saddam Hussein.

Maybe he only has them as friends and he does not believe in what they do but I don't think so. If it was just one then maybe but he is getting support from the criminals above. Believe it or not the stability of the world relies on the stability of the USA. If we put this man in power then WWIII might follow close behind. Terrorists will have free reign of the middle east and that effects Europe.
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downward slope of history,

PA 07/03/2008 11:49:30
BUSH > CLINTON > CLINTON > BUSH > BUSH > clinton?

that is truly sad for this republic.

you know in your heart it's true.
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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:55:12
#207
Jaqueline

First of all, it would help in reading and understanding your missives if they were well punctuated.

Then of all, the only lying that took place with Clinton was before a Grand Jury. That's what got him in trouble. Don't try to make anything of it other than that.

No, I don't expect Americans to pour another penny into this Obama intrigue. I expect us to march him off and never hear from him again.

Do you use your nose to smell fish or don't you?

Next ambitious campaigner, please.



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oh, really,

USA 07/03/2008 11:55:13
The reporter is clearly biased. What matters is what we think, kind journalist. Just keep your opinions to yourself and report the news. By the way, that the politician claims its opposition is monstrous is not news. It's par for course in United States politics. If you'd done your research, you'd know you 'ain't seen nuttin' yet'!
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 12:05:42
Monster huh? Well you have "officially" gone not only negative Obama camp but off your rocker as well.

Almost forget, you went negative after your huge loss in NH. Pulling that race card out of the deck that turned almost all blacks your way. How very,very dirty and negative of you. SHAME ON YOU OBAMA.


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TheFife,

Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 12:07:57
#212

"oh, really"

Well, I agree she is biased. Just look at this quote:

"Ms Power was in the UK to promote her book on Sergio Vieira de Mello, the extraordinary UN representative who died in a Baghdad bomb attack."

The "extraordinary" UN Rep. If that isn't editorialising within an article, then what is?

Is there no objective reporting any more? Either side of the Atlantic?






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oh, really,

USA 07/03/2008 12:08:26
Hi, Fife:

Ever heard of the Magna Carta? Can you say mother country? Ever study ancient Rome? Do you know that history didn't begin with the establishment of the colonists? Do you know that Canada peacefully gained its independence from the "mother country" around 80 years after the U.S. took it forcefully through brutal and unnecessary bloodshed? You're a puppet.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 12:20:13
#197 Agree with much of what you say until the last section. If it is the states' problem then why did the DNC interfere in the first place?

That is the crux of the issue - I know theer is a historic reason for Iowa and New Hampshire goijg so early BUT it should really be up to the states to decide. In any case if it is such a tradition then why let Nevada and South carolina move up without penalty?

I am no great believer in traditions for the sake of tradition - it has to be justifiable. In my opinion Iowa and New Hampshire have always had far more of a say in the democratic process than they actually merit.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 12:21:14
He lied about an affair. I am sure you would do the same.

And I am a professional writer Obama lover. I use proper grammar all day. I am not getting paid to check my grammar here. And your grammar has allot to be desired so....

And everything I have written is the truth about Obama. People like you can't handle the truth. So sad for you.

And pack your bags. I am sure when Hillary is president you will want to leave the country. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 12:25:02
From the British point of view the American system is very interesting - but why do the Democrats make things so confusing. Why don't they either have a Primary or a cacaus for all of the states instead of this mish mash that they seem to have. It may also be useful for them to remember that in November there are no caucuses!
There would also appear to be a somewhat arrogant slant to the Democrats at the moment - they assume that either Clinton or Obama will walk it against the Republicans, purely based on the current encumbant of the post. The Republicans already know who thier candidate is and are doubtless preparing already. With the current state of the Democratic race we won't know who the candidate is form some time.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 12:31:35
"203 TheFife,Beverly Hills 07/03/2008 11:19:56

# 187 The Federalist.

Well, then we may or may not be on common ground.

First, I believe that Europeans, in general, have absolutely no concept of a Federal Government."

Not true - the Spanish and Germans seem to cope ratrher well with it - the assymetric Spanish system in particular has decentralised what was once the most centralsied sttae in Europe.

"Secondly, I believe the EU's concept of a Federal Government was created from the bottom up insead of from the head down."

The EU is often described as heading towards a federal structure - I'd disagree - if anything it is a confederal structure. As for it being done from the bottom up instead of the head down - I don't quite see how this could be? If anything the decision-making is entirely from the head down - the EU is far too centralised.
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Mensa George,

Washington, DC 07/03/2008 12:34:27
That the first comment remains when so many others have been removed would indicate that a comment being moronic is not deemed sufficient reason for its removal.
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jaqueline,

07/03/2008 12:36:41
YESTERDAY ON CNN (USA) QUICK VOTE:

Should Florida and Michigan Democrats have their delegates counted? 62%

Have new primaries or caucuses 16%

Not be counted at all 21%

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN. COUNT THE VOTES DEAN.




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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 12:40:35
#221 Agree with much that you say.

If this contest goes to the convention you can bet your bottom dollar that the DNC will review the whole procedure for the next election.

My own view is that they should have a system that mirrors how the Presidential election happens.

No superdelegates.

Voting on one day.

Voting by primary not caucus.

Registration as for the Presidential election.

States allocated the same elctoral votes as the Presidential electoral college.

Winner-takes all for each state.

Finally, I'd have only registered democrats voting for the Democratic candidate - it is a nonsense that non-Democrats decide the Democratic nominee. They would still have a say - but in the actual election and not the nomination process.

I doubt the DNC would do anything as radical - the first step may be to adopt a winner-takes-all for each state so that a winner is found far earlier.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 12:41:07
fresian

I would compare Bush to a chimp but their smarter.
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portsmouth,

Portsmouth Rhode Island 07/03/2008 12:41:32
Barack is running on a platform of uniting the country, yet he is a strong supporter (over 20 years) of Jeremiah Wright and his church www.tucc.org His church is racist and divisive and this has nothing to do with "uniting". BTW- why has it never occured to you sexist people that the term "shrill" is extremely offensive and directed entirely at women?
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 12:45:29
This rookie aide should have been smart enough to know better than to say such a thing. Just goes to show how totally NOT ready Barack is to be president. How many mistakes must his people make? Either he isn't who he says he is, or AT BEST he can't contol his own staff. Neither looks good.
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Nimbleworth,

Bern,Switzerland 07/03/2008 12:50:45
BO raised 55 MILLION USD in FEBRUARY ! For What? Did he feed the poor with this money? Noooo! He bought Political favours. So did Hillary. Between the two of them they spent about 80 or 90 MILLION USD just to get elected! A poor man cannot even get 90 cents to eat; because,as the banks say,you do not give money to people who need it!
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 12:53:36
225 - maybe it's because I'm british but none of your suggestions sound anywhere near radical to me - they all sound pretty much like common sense - surely these 'primaries' should mirror the real thing.
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nolimits,

Beautifull BC 07/03/2008 12:56:04
Well, well,well. I haven't had such a great early morning read in a long time. Seems to me that the Republicans have successfully inserted an agent in the Democrat camp to sow discord, and, by the way, done a damned fine job of it! Its a thing of continuous wonder to me, that folks can get downright hissy over such a minor thing. Folks, no one is perfect,especially politicians. IF, and when, the political/industrial/military complex of the USA is disassembled, will the citizens of the USA truly have something to vote for. Ike saw the writing on the wall, and warned the American people. Did they listen? You tell me.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:08:05
Why is it that any criticism at all of Barack is "racism" but it is perfectly okay to call Hillary "shrill" and a "bitch" and to make other such ugly and ignorant sexist comments? I am glad that you don't live in the US - Edinburgh!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:08:45
#231 Oh I'm British as well!!

But it would be radical for Americans - no long system of primaries and caucuses to spend (waste) millions of dollars on.

Advertising execs would go nuts!!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:08:55
Why is it that any criticism at all of Barack is "racism" but it is perfectly okay to call Hillary "shrill" and a "bitch" and to make other such ugly and ignorant sexist comments? I am glad that you don't live in the US - Edinburgh!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:08:56
#231 Oh I'm British as well!!

But it would be radical for Americans - no long system of primaries and caucuses to spend (waste) millions of dollars on.

Advertising execs would go nuts!!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:08:57
Why is it that any criticism at all of Barack is "racism" but it is perfectly okay to call Hillary "shrill" and a "bitch" and to make other such ugly and ignorant sexist comments? I am glad that you don't live in the US - Edinburgh!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:08:57
#231 Oh I'm British as well!!

But it would be radical for Americans - no long system of primaries and caucuses to spend (waste) millions of dollars on.

Advertising execs would go nuts!!!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 13:10:31
What's with the multiple posts for myself and portsmouth?
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:13:41
The US doesn't elect by popular vote for a reason- to protect us from the uninformed decisions of the average american- to protect us from voting in a president for all the wrong reasons. We give the super delegates a percentage of the vote to ensure that people that are experienced and knowledgeable people high in the democratic party can take into consideration the will of the people, and then weigh for themselves based on their OWN decsions who will be the most electable democrat,and the one most qualified to take the post of president. Most Americans don't even realise that they don't live in a democracy, but a republic. Thank God for this system though, because the American public votes on emotion- not reasoned thought. If not for the superdelegates who will surely choose Hillary, we could end up with a "Nike ad" for a president (Barack).
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:13:51
RE: 227
Yes, TUCC in Chicago is attended by predominantly African Americans. For goodness sake, Chicago has a very large African American population so it follows that you're going to see that reflected in other places! To say it is divisive and racist, however, is untrue. I know, I belong to a wonderful UCC church in one of the suburbs (and we are as Caucasian as TUCC is African American, because that's our demographic make up; are we thus racist? NO.). Our youth and confirmation classes travel to TUCC every year to join them in worship, and they are welcomed and embraced by this faith community. For the REAL story on what the UCC stands for (unity included!), check out the United Church of Christ's website: www.ucc.org
I'm tired of all the lies being circulated about the UCC -- I don't care who you're voting for, but attacking a church because the candidate belongs is disgusting. Have some facts before posting, people.
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Fanortney,

Indiana 07/03/2008 13:15:51
When Hillary talks about her experience as fist lady, one shoud remember what her response was at 3:00 am.

"It's for you Bill. Would you like some coffee?"

How does that constitute experience?
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:19:56
#241 But it's OK to have a popular vote for the POTUS?
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:20:49
#243 That is a total lie.

Bill wouldn't be in bed with Hillary at 3 am . . . .
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:21:53
Do a little reading. This particular tucc church that Barack has been a member of for 20 years is run by Jeremiah Wright- Barack's self proclaimed "mentor" (and the originator of the phrase The Audacity of Hope by the way). Jeremiah Wright GAVE AN AWARD to Farrakhan about a year ago! they have close connections, Jeremiah Wright writes papers about how white america deserved 911! If you are running for president on a campaign of uniting the country you should not be touting someone like this as your mentor. Jeremiah Wright wed Michelle and Barack, and baptised their children. Michelle has done church projects that involve Farrakhans group! The statement of purpose of the church says WE SuPPORT AFRICA first and foremost! Michelle wrote a paper in college about "I identify myself as black first" Michelle has never been proud of the country that allowed her to attend Harvard?? Jeremiah Wright teaches racist hate. It is a fact. I am sure that not every church of christ is this way, BUT BARACK HAS CLOSELY ALIGNED HIMSELF WITH A MAN THAT IS ABSOLUTELY SO!
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:25:07
RE: 241
"Nike ad" ???
You might want to rethink your comments before posting.

"If not for the superdelegates who will surely choose Hillary..."
Well, we'll have to wait and see. The superdelegates have never voted against the popular vote. Check your history. They are all elected officials (governors, senators, reps, etc.) -- do you really believe they will vote AGAINST the popular vote? They're going for whoever has the most votes in June in Denver.
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 13:27:58
The US has a ridiculous system for electing their candidates which mean that they are bound to receive a politically correct demagogue who has sold their soul to big business and has nothing new to say.

These primaries do nothing but give your opponents huge sticks to beat you up with. The Republicans won't need to produce a campaign they'll get everything they need from this cat fight.

Clinton and Obama will need to unite their campaigns at some point, they should do it sooner rather than later or neither will win.

Clinton seems to think her experience as a first lady qualifies her to be President which is absurd. The fact is neither her or Obama have any experience of the top job (few do!) but both are entirely capable of doing a far better job than the current encumbent who has been an unmitigated disaster.

A concentration on the principle of human rights and actual democracy rather than gun boat diplomacy by the new administration would be welcome but I'm not holding my breath.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:28:11
Yes they can vote against the popular vote, and they will if they think it is in the best interest of the country. That is their job. The fact that Hillary carried all the large states necessary to win the presidential election could sway their decision. I am not trying to be difficult- this is the truth. They even had a basic "tutorial" on CNN about it last night because most americans don't understand this is how it works. If it was based on popular vote there would be no need for the super delagates would there?
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:34:45
RE: 246
Yes, Africa is one of the TUCC's mission projects.
Wright and Obama both say that they disagree very often.
Obama has outrightly criticized Farrakhan.
You seem to believe that "guilt by association" is the rule. I don't agree with our head pastor on everything, although I consider him a great mentor.
Look at the PERSON running, not the groups or organizations and then make such generalizations.
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dadbob,

Dunkirk 07/03/2008 13:38:12
well, i hope the buzz that the Scotsman generated was worth it because you're going to likely have to struggle to get other people to talk to you as a result of releasing an off the record comment. i understand your 'rule' that off the record needs to be established in advance. but you got some real candor here, and i suspect others just might hesitate to open up to your reporters.
and what did you gain by it? a few moments of notoriety?
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:38:46
#242 The Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. is often confused with the more conservative, Church of Christ. They are not the same thing.

"The Black Value System" which is advocated by Trinity is not Afrocentric but African-centric for many Americans. if it were a white church calling for a "White Values System" we would, quite rightly, condemn it for what it is - a racist organsiation.

The TUCC pastor Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. routinely refers to "white arrogance" and "the United States of White America."

In fact, Obama was at the church when these statements were made on 22 July 2007.

Wright's interpretation of the Scriptures has been described as "Afrocentric."

When referring to the Romans, for example, he refers to "European oppression" — not addressing the fact that the Egyptians, who also had a slave society, were Africans too.

Other comments by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns."

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

In 1982, the TUCC launched Trumpet Newsmagazine with Wright’s daughters acting as publisher and executive editor. Each year, the magazine makes awards in various categories. Last year, it gave the Dr Jeremiah A Wright Jr. Trumpeter Award to a man it said “truly epitomized greatness.” That man was Louis Farrakhan.

And that is just the tip of the ice-berg.

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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:39:39
Daughter of Scotland, I would agree with you if we were talking about a friend or relative, but when you are running for president it is critical who you proclaim as a mentor, and who you associate yourself with. 1. Either he is lying and DOES agree with Jeremiah Wright's position- which I am not sure I believe, but my gosh he has a lot of respect for the racist individual, or 2. this is a seriously rookie political mistake that just shows he needs to be seasoned by some more years in politics. You should not run on an entire platform of uniting the country while you carry on about your wonderful "mentor" who is an extremely divisive political figure that spreads hate and racism.
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:41:20
RE: 250
There is no need for the super delegates. Period. It is as antiquated a system as the Electoral College.

Go back and read the facts (in ANY article): the ELECTED OFFICIALS who make up the superdelegates have NEVER voted against popular vote. And they won't -- they want to hold on to their jobs and go with whom the popular vote deems "the winner." We don't know who that will be yet. Big states vs. more states? I don't see that being an argument. They will go with whomever has the most votes.
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Duncan in Edinburgh /,

07/03/2008 13:43:08
#250 You can tell a person by the company they keep.

By your argument if my best chums just happened to be Adolf Hitler, Joe Stalin and Pol Pot it would not matter.

That is nonsense and you know it.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 13:44:27
And I Have Another 8 Months of this to look forward to!!!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:45:08
RE 254
SIGH.... your indignation is getting in the way of the facts. I think that you do care about the facts, but you really should do more reading.
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earthtreelover,

Michigan, U.S.A. 07/03/2008 13:49:22
Shame on you for printing something that was meant to be "off the record". I think you owe both Barack Obama and Hilary Clinton an apology!
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:50:30
252
TUCC and my church do both belong to the United Church of Christ, not the Church of Christ (yes, indeed, they are different denominations). Each UCC church has its own identity within the greater denomination, and thus its own missions fitting in with the UCC's mission. My church and the TUCC are different, but both are working with the greater church's ideals of justice for all. Again, I direct you to www.ucc.org to see how we all fit in.
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 13:55:45
257
Still waiting for you to point out something that shows superdelegates have ever gone against the popular vote...I can't find anything. I'd hardly call pointing out facts as being "indignation."
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:56:16
RE 260
No one is arguing about you and your church. The point is that Barack's church IS the www.tucc.org. His church has an agenda that includes giving awards to Farrakhan, writing papers against "white america" etc. This IS BARAK's CHURCH AND MENTOR. It is just plain fact.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 13:56:51
241 & 247 I'm really confused now - what IS the point of these Superdelegates if they only ever vote with the popular vote?
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Xenophile American,

Atlanta 07/03/2008 13:57:12
If indeed her background is in journalism, then she should know better. That being said; I fear that this will mean that americans tied to politics will no longer take interviews from The Scotsman and more over the totality of the foreign press. By being reckless in The Scotsman attributing these off the record comments to her, right or wrong, we all lose.

One could have easily, made that an unknown source quote, interviewed someone else from the Obama campaign and made this report on sentiment inside the Obama campaign.

I recognize that people outside the US (and I agree) have seen what Bush and as an extension the US have done to the world and global security. I also recognize that the whole world wants a say b/c what happens in the US effects everyone. But please be responsible and realize the consequences in your actions. By injecting oneself into a primary and not the general election (in this case benefiting Clinton), the unintended consequences may be that you wake up with another Republican president. If that happens you truly will see the distinctions and what you feared about American foreign policy will continue. Thus we will all lose.

Yes, all politicians are suspect. But make no mistake. There are differences, and if you fail to see distinctions, you contribute to getting the worst.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 13:59:05
the super delegates system was only put into effect in 1980. As far as I know they have never voted against the popular vote. That doesn't mean they won't, or that they can't. The system was put into effect expressly to create the chance to go against the popular vote if it seemed like the popular vote was a seriously bad idea. Anyway, what IS the popular vote? does it include Florida and Michigan? It is so close that who really knows the will of the people?
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:03:45
263 The Superdelegates are the ones you can wine and Dine in order to change their Vote!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:04:45
RE 266
Absolutely. Hey, I am not defending the system, it certainly isn't perfect.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:05:38
Just a few of the Flag Officers Endorsing Hillary Clinton for President and Commander-in-Chief:

General Wesley Clark

General John M. Shalikashvili

General Johnnie E. Wilson

Admiral William Owens

Lt. Gen. Joe Ballard

Lt. Gen. Robert Gard

Lt. Gen. Claudia J. Kennedy

Lt. Gen. Donald L. Kerrick

Lt. Gen. Frederick E. Vollrath

Vice Admiral Joseph A. Sestak

Major General Roger R. Blunt

Major General George A. Buskirk, Jr.

Major General Edward L. Correa, Jr.

Major General Paul D. Eaton

Major General Paul D. Monroe, Jr.

Major General Antonio M. Taguba

Rear Admiral Connie Mariano

Rear Admiral Alan M. Steinman

Rear Admiral David Stone

Brigadier General Michael Dunn

Brigadier General Belisario Flores

Brigadier General Evelyn "Pat" Foote

Brigadier General Keith H. Kerr

Brigadier General Virgil A. Richard

Brigadier General Preston Taylor

Brigadier General John M. Watkins, Jr.

Brigadier General Jack Yeager

Experience that will keep America safe.

VOTE HILLARY 08
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Doug From Oklahoma,

Oklahoma 07/03/2008 14:05:44
As the candidates through hyperbole arround, the economy in the USA is imploading. American's need to by American Made Products and Most Favoured Nation Trading Status needs to be removed from China.

http://www.freedomsringmall.com/freedomsring_092.htm
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:10:53
IN TEXAS EXIT POLLS:

Over 65 years old:

67% Hillary

30 % Obama


Worried about own financial situation ( TEXAS)

56% Hillary

43% Obama


Decided in last 3 days: ( TEXAS)

61% Hillary

38% Obama


Who has a clear plan to deliver (TEXAS)

66% Hillary

53% Obama

YOU DID GREAT HILLARY! THANK YOU TEXANS!
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 14:14:02
RE: 263
That's what we all wonder, too ...
This is a fairly succinct explanation
(from a report by David Welna, NPR, 2/11/08):

The magic number of delegates needed to clinch the presidential nomination is 2,025. But neither candidate has gotten anywhere near that number in state voting. If that continues, it could eventually fall to so-called superdelegates to decide the Democratic race.

The 796 superdelegates make up nearly 20 percent of the overall Democratic delegation this year. They are members of Congress, governors, party elders and activists. Party officials created superdelegates in the early 1980s so situations such as a deadlocked convention could be resolved by party insiders, said nominations expert Henry Brady of the University of California at Berkeley.

"There was a concern that somehow there wasn't enough adult supervision actually by the rest of the party, and so one way to get more of the party politicos and pros into the process was to create these superdelegates," Brady said.

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ie, one more way to get more confusion into the process! And DonetoDeath is right in that a lot of $ and time is spent wooing these superdelegates.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:19:31
you are absolutely right. We have a flawed system, and alot of corruption in politics.But we would no matter what system we tried to adopt. We have an enormous country practically owned by big business. One of the things that concerns me is Barack's inability to negotiate well in this world. He makes many naive mistakes. Do I think anyone who makes it to a presidential race doesn't have dirt on their hands? no! of course they do. but who will play the game best and get the results the american people need?
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motherload,

montana mountain 07/03/2008 14:19:56
...and the monster looked out of its cave with glee...
'...look! all the people have assembled for me.. I must run find my finest dress...' back into hiding she did turn, while above the cave the sun did burn... the forehead of a half black man holding out to all his assembled plan! The sky grew dark, with furious force, thru the parted clouds a soldier on a white horse. He held a sword aloft to slay the half-black man and monster hidden away. When to the wonder of all the crowd, a beautiful woman in her best appeared. The lightning struck the man and horse, which fell atop the cave of course. Then rolling ore the very lip, they tumbled down on the best dressed pip'. As all went rolling into the cave, the crowd followed quick inside to save...a hero, leader, someone to crown... alas they all went down and down. The foolish crowd was swallowed whole, so goes the moral don't you know...THE BOTTOMLESS PIT AWAITS THOSE THAT ESCAPE THE PURRLY GATES...
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:22:36
Are the "purrly gates" where the kitty cats live? That was a strange little interlude...
motherload you need to move somewhere where there are more people for you to talk to! (smile)
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:30:25
No, I think Motherload got it right!
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msophia,

Glendale 07/03/2008 14:31:59
I must say, I do believe this post has covered about every recent negative thing to come from the Obama camp. Sad isn't it that another country is printing such libel on one of our world leaders? The screaming "She's so negative!!" commenced with Senator Clinton's "red phone ad". She was accused of "fear-mongering". Hours later Mr. Obama used portions of HER ad, voiced & texted over it & voila! it was no more fear mongering. I don't personally know anyone, I mean this, that felt anything but that we would be safe with her in the Whitehouse.
But, lets do talk about fear mongering. And the cost of it. While this rubbish is getting in print here & Ms. Power, you are a dreadful woman of low breeding to be calling our former First Lady & current Senator a monster. To have heard the Obama camp constantly, for weeks now accusing the Clinton camp of fear mongering is a joke.
I would respectfully ask, if we live in a safe world, if Senator Clinton may not say we need to be ready for anything to happen, then WHY does Mr. Obama have a huge secret service guard & even now is using snipers posted on nearby roofs for his safety? Personally, as a taxpayer, picking up his tab, I'm pretty annoyed about this. You can't have it both ways.
Is it safe or not? If it isn't, then why can only the Obama camp & the "expert advisors he employs" be the only ones allowed to say so. Frankly, I am dismayed at what I see here. I'm only sorry for the terrible impression it makes of all Americans to have such filth said about someone that is adored by millions here at home. For as many who vote for Obama, you will find very little difference in the numbers of voters that Senator Clinton gets.I hope the Scots will have an equal opportunity to see the beauty of Hillary Clinton that so many of us see.
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Lynn Ellingw,

Rochester, NY 07/03/2008 14:35:24
Well, Hillary is not a monster. I am a New York resident and she has been a terrific senator for us. I really appreciate her leadership in important matters. Her concern is policy, not modeling for Vogue.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:36:23
Well said msophia! When will sexism be considered as heinous as racism?? I am constantly amazed at the strength and resiliency Hillary Clinton shows.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:38:01
Obama being the most liberal senator in the senate and someone who votes for partial birth abortions will never be president.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:39:11
when he bothers to vote at all...
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AnF,

New York, New York 07/03/2008 14:39:45
It is not news that Hillary Clinton is disliked by many for an endless list of valid reasons. She and her husband are incredibly low and deceptive, as are some of their chief campaign advisers. Certainly Ms. Power would have preferred not to be on record, but it really is of little importance that she is. Millions of people find that Hillary is indeed a monster; this is nothing new or shocking by any accounts, especially in the context of Clinton's own actions.
Those of us who support Obama look forward to his White House; he will be the first truly global president and the first bridge to the 21st century. Hillary will remain a senator trapped in her stale and typical broken way of approaching politics.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:42:58
If a second term senator thinks that he can take on the entire political system and big business with a motley team of blundering aides and advisors I would hate to see the outcome for the country. He will get eaten alive. You don't have to take Hillary for a best friend, you aren't electing someone for sainthood, but you cannot deny that this woman is tough, gets results, and supports everything that we as democrats hold dear.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:43:29
VOTE OBAMA / BUSH / CHENEY 08

ONE DISASTER AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER AFTER ANOTHER.

I AM OBAMA AND I APPROVE THIS DYNASTY.
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AnF,

Manhattan, New York 07/03/2008 14:43:46
I am a female New Yorker...Why is it that so many women think that disliking Hillary is sexist?? It's not!! She is disliked for the way she is despite her gender!! Stop playing the victim...and playing this card! Haven't more women moved beyond this dated idea of feminism!!! Come on!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 14:44:38
#276 If you oput youyrself up for candidacy then expect to have your life gone over with a tooth comb and aexpect to be attacked for it.

The problem though that I have with Obama is that he portrays himself as the candidate for change when he is naything but the candidate for change.

He is beholden to old-style politics as Clinton, McCain and other politicians.

The only way he can convince me otherwise is if he explicitly states what change he is going to make. How is he going to be different from the old-style politicians?

From what I can see he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:45:55
This all looks more like an episode of survior!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:46:22
I don't think people always dislike Hillary because they are sexist. But why are constant comments like "shrill" and "bitch" and "only credentials are sleeping with the president" ignored, while the slightest criticism of Barack is racism? Let's count them BOTH as ignorant and inappropriate types of comments!
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AnF,

Manhattan, New York 07/03/2008 14:46:51
Women who blame sexism are feeding the very stereotype they think they are defending....GET OVER IT!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:47:52
Minorities stand together, but women are there own worst enemies.
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brettgallacher,

edinburgh 07/03/2008 14:49:24
while i dont like clinton you know whats coming next eh she is going to be branded a racist
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AnF,

Manhattan, New York 07/03/2008 14:49:25
#289 - And such generalities are ridiculous too...
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robfm,

chicago Il. 07/03/2008 14:50:40
It all comes down to this. I am 51 years old I've seen many presidents. Most of them bad!!!! Bush, Obviously the worst! But he is not incompetent. His agenda happens to be different than the rest of ours. Barack Obama is the first candidate I have seen that IS genuine ( Since Robert Kennedy). Hillary and McCaine will only bring more of the same. They are IN BED with the same people. Thats why Hillary supports McCain over Obama. ( The Elitists join together in Bad Harmony) America desperately needs this shift. The only HOPE is in Obama.
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nmeabe,

weymouth mass. usa 07/03/2008 14:52:33
Wow,,a monster is quite a lable to put on Clinton,,lets not forget that she helped run the white house for (8) years,Bill was called the first (white) black president of the U.S.A. he did a pretty dam good job as commander and chief for us over here,,when someone insults a person like Clinton by calling them a monster off the record its just wrong,,you dont hear anyone in clintons camp questioning obama about his use of (drugs) while in collage..or his wifes comment that she has made reguarding her statements about being proud to be an Americian for the first time in her adult life..there is something that all Americans need to find out about Obama..my opinion is he has a clouded past and its probley going to come to light in the near furture,,also lets not forget about his dealings with a INDITIED former friend in Chicago..when the truth comes out about his home purchase, people will see he probley forgot to tell us some facts about this trans-action, also he has NO clue about the how to deal with all the problems facing the world,,,talk is cheap,,and we as a nation have been hearing alot of it latley......my point being PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES..it's a pleasure to post here and i hope everyone has a nice day....M
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 14:52:43
portsmouth,

I totally agree. Obama was in the senate around two years before he jumped ship and started running for president. He has zero experience to handle everything a US president will face. People need to wake up before Bush and Cheneys cousin is sitting in the WH.


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democrat chris,

texas, usa 07/03/2008 14:53:00
To quote Tina Fey " Bitch is the new Black " Women get the job done.Grow up Obama, and quit using the Arkansas Projct as your playbook. Axelrod is the new Starr. Call Chicago, Obama and have a chat. What are you afraid of?
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:53:33
RE 292
Please go to www.tucc.org Obama's church for 22 years. Then go google Jeremiah Wright- Obama's self proclaimed mentor and close friend- the man who runs this church and see the things he has written, and the connections he has to Farrakhan. Then you tell me this "uniting the country" platform is genuine.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 14:57:14
Can we have a Do-over and get a canidate that really is worth voting for!!!!!!!!
Or do they know better than to run for office????
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Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 07/03/2008 14:58:25
I hope that Obama has been found out at last. They have been guilty of dirty politics just as much as the other candidates, its just the media do not want to rubbish 'their guy' and elect another democratic loser. Unfortunately, you can bet that the stuff HC has been thrown at him in the recent campaign will pale into insignificance beside what the republicans can chuck at him. I still think, if they vote OB, you get McCain. At least with HC, its all out there and boring, when compared to the record of her detaractors.

HC has had a hard time from day one in this campaign, it should be remembered that under BC the USA was a much richer and less politically and ethically morally bankrupt place that it is now (even if he was a bit).
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 14:59:33
Yes, good honest people can't make it in politics- it is a world totally run by big business in this country. Voting for someone because you think they are nice or that they are different is a farce. Vote for who will fight for you, who will get the job done, and who holds your values. hmmmm...sounds like Hillary to me!
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 15:08:42
This bob sled run has gotten faster since Dick took office the only flat spot was when Ronny sat in.
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Silence of the Yams,

07/03/2008 15:10:58
Hillary is a fine woman. These comments are despicable.
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weary observer,

USA Wisconsin - where the Northern icecaps have m 07/03/2008 15:12:35
Correct observation, "DonetoDeath," I think they do know better than to run for office. Ever taken a really close look at the ones who do?

We won't get a real candidate - we are offered up either a very bad candidate one or one that is much worse! Taking a closer look at Obama, even Hillary starts to look not so bad :(

Obama scares me even MORE than she does - I think he is a very dangerous man.

Electronic voting machines bother me, too.

Of course the Congress has control over which laws actually get passed.....yeah...right. Whoops, almost forgot all the power brokers and lobbyists. Silly me!
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tigerlily,

lynchburg, virginia-edinburgh, scotland 07/03/2008 15:15:28
The Clintons, Billary as they are fondly known in the states, of which Hillary is only the tip of an iceberg.. have become cogs in the well-oiled political machine which has become a MONSTER in America.. feeding off the fear of the working class and fueled by the entrenched bi-partisan political majority rule; the power hungry rich and well-connected..
While not taking away from the positive contributions of BILL's presidency (in the now distant past in political time) HILLARY is becoming a product of her own political greed and will kill the possibility for much needed reform in the political system and a different type of presidential leadership with her avarice...
Ms Powers was spot on and I commend her astuteness if not discretion.. (still not sure about the ethics of the Scotsman for printing what could be considered a breach of trust)...
Having a first row seat to this political theatre has been interesting... It has been scary to see what being is behind the personal mask of Hillary Clinton when her self-referential political sovereignty is threatened..
You will not see much coverage of this in the states because a press that is supposedly "soft" on Clinton would not ever allow such plain spoken truth to provoke people to consider her character, integrity, real motivations or perhaps expose the true self behind her mask... how do you truly get close enough to vett an iconic political family? Forget slick Bill, its slicker Hill's march to capitol hill now.. scorching the earth as she goes....
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 15:17:46
Yes the only real power a President has in Domestic policy and Law is the Veto!!!
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GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta, CA........captured from Mexico 1845 07/03/2008 15:22:45
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ValdasTheMan,
Edinburgh

-----------------------------------------

Dude ur comment about my country "as inward looking" is a painfully ignorant comment by u.

The USA is the melting pot of world and its peoples.

When u attack the US u are attacking yourself. Or Ur ancestors who came here.

As for our election process. Its all about money and the power that goes with it. The US is a pseudo democracy within a Republic.

I still believe its the best of a bad lot of alternative systems.

And Barack Hussein Obama is a "Smoke and Mirror" dude.
Listen to his tribal rhetoric in his speeches. HOPE, CHANGE, YES WE CAN, etc.

Talk is cheap money buys houses and so goes Barack Hussein OBama.

John McCain is a warmonger and an old F*rt.

Hillary is intelligent and a brilliant politician, who can hold her own with the best in the political world of crooks.

Dude chill out and relax.
GC
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iowahawk,

07/03/2008 15:23:14
The residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is the people's house. It was bought and paid for the the blood, sweat, and tears of our forefathers. The last time the Clintons lived there, they turned it in to nothing more than a bed and breakfast for their cronies and "wild Bill" turned the oval office in to his own personal brothel while Hillary pretended not to know anything about it. Ask yourselves people. Do you really want the Clintons back there again. When they left the last time, they tried to steal the china for crying out loud. Wake up and do the right thing people, before its too late.
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wisdom101,

Dallas, TX 07/03/2008 15:30:01
Samantha Powers is a very intelligent woman; therefore, I do not believe that she would inadvertently say something she did not want published. Let's look at a similar situation with Senator Clinton. When she was asked if she believed Senator Obama was a muslim, she commented, "not as far as I know." In otherwords she wanted to keep the image of a scary person in people's head. Samantha Powers did the same thing -- she wanted to create an scary image in people's minds as well. If one looks at both campaigns and the tactics they use, one will see that each camp uses the same tactics. Not one is of better ethics or morals than the other. This is the game of politics. It is nothing new. It is the practice of old politics. Yes, Senator Obama is a practicer of the old Washington ways despite what he says to the contrary. Another observation I find interesting is Senator Obama touts himself as a person looking towards the future when most of his replies to issues center around the past. Case in point: his comment that he was against the war from the start. Well, that is in the past (and he wasn't in Congress when that issue was debated). What is his future stance for the war? In reality, wouldn't a republican be the better choice to end the war? Since it was a republican who started the war, shouldn't it be another republican who tries to clean up the mess. Let's think about this. What do you think the history books will print 20 years from now? If a democrat tries to end the war and an even bigger problem arises as a result, then history will frown upon the democratic mishandling of the war. On the other hand, if a republican fumbles the war clean up then the dirt will be on their hands. The same is true on the other side of the coin. Why should the democrats get credit for ending the war and becoming historical war heroes when they were against the war from the beginning? I immediately think of a Dr. Seuss story, "Horton Hatches the Egg." Horton sat on the egg through a
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 15:31:05
okay so lets recap what is important: universal health care or the china in the white house? the economy and the plight of the middle class or who Bill Clinton chooses to have sex with?
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zigzag,

Canada 07/03/2008 15:33:33
So if Hillary gets in and Bill joins her in the White House, you will you have a HILLBILLY to serve and protect.
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zigzag,

07/03/2008 15:33:51
Heehawww
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surfergirl08,

coastal california 07/03/2008 15:39:09
this morning on our cloudless blue coast this story still has legs. clinton, the monster, gets apology.

hillary smokes 'how dare they call me a mean name, that sort-of-moslem, did-you-know he's-black, father a foreigner, takes economic benefits from shady developer, obama?'

the press just parrots wolfie with her inner whinings.

ask vince foster if she's a monster
ask the white house travel office people she fired en masse if she's a monster
ask those left at the door of the secret health care meetings if she's a monster
ask the african american population of south carolina where we saw the first outlines of how her 'experience' campaign would race bait if she is a monster.
ask the women hillbillbill groped, abused, et al and that she personally had 'silenced' if she is a monster
ask the 50+% that NEVER voted for her husband in EITHER election if she is a monster.
I'll take my board in the water with man-eating sharks this morning and feel better about who is around me than if this monster is president.

hillary knows that you plant that level of name-throwing based on lower level operatives throwing it out. obama can learn a lot from her plausible deniability experience, but I hope he never becomes a monster.

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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 15:40:31
America isnt that bad a place. Having visited the place on many occassions I can say that its ok. Obviously Europe offers more, its been around for thousands of years by comparison to America, but nevertheless, I find America to be quite modern in many ways, and so drastically far behind in others. But one thing is for sure, America is suffering from a serious attitude problem. People around the world think of Americans as naive, unintelligent fools. You need only listen to George Bush to draw that conclusion, never mind the many million who dont know Europe is a continent.
America is not a well like nation and she needs to address that. And I think she can do that successfully if she finds a leader that is of the same mindset as the founding fathers.
Remember the Tripoli Treaty drafted under Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797? The one that begins "The Goovernment of America IS NOT IN ANY SENSE, founded on christian religion"
And what about Jefferson? Who said, "Question with boldness the existence of A GOD, because if one should exist, he would surely pay homeage to reason as opposed to blindfolded fear"
It is obvious to note that the founding fathers were indeed athiests. Good men with good values and good substance.
Modern America needs a brave man, a man who can stand up and say, " I am an athiest" A man who can put the god nonsense to one side and focus on the real issues that are plaguing our world. We have had many years of religious men in the white house, and look at the devastation that has been caused by them. They are evil to the core, self righteous and hypocrites.
America needs an athiest leader! And a man who will blame BOTH Israel and Palestine for the problems, then shut the door on both of them until they grow up and begin to behave appropriately. America needs a leader who will go after the people who attacked the twin towers. What they dont need is a leader who uses the god entity as a means of fighting his personal wars, and who d
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 15:41:54
What they dont need is a leader who uses the god entity as a means of fighting his personal wars, and who decides to stick two fingers up to the people who died in 11/9 by going after oil as opposed to the perpetrators of terror like Osama.
America is ready for change, but unfortunately, none of the present candidates will offer them that.
Such a person is to early for America right now, but hopefully America will be ready for that respectable athiest in the near future.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 15:42:47
I agree with you but we both know that won't ever happen. And why not substitute " a man or woman"??
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wisdom101,

Dallas, TX 07/03/2008 15:43:39
To continue my comment on 308 . . .

The lazy mother bird (which could be the democrats) didn't want to sit on her egg so she gets Horton (which could be the republicans) to do it. He kept his word and sat on the egg through all the dangers involved. Then when the egg hatched, the mother wanted to claim the baby bird as hers when the hatchling looked like the Horton. And by the way . . . Horton is an elephant. Not much of a stretch of the imagination. Dr. Seuss just didn't write stories for children, you know.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 15:43:50
The middle class will be paying for it (health care) no matter what happens, They are the Economy!
The China changes every time a new President takes Office and is Bill's supply of blue pills going to last till the end of the month.
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Sgurr,

07/03/2008 15:47:48
What about Barrack Obama? His surname sounds like "Osama", which on its own will probably put off 17.4% of people in Alabama. Go Clinton. Woop Woop, etc.
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liz_k,

Philadelphia 07/03/2008 15:51:40
Ms. Power, seems like you've stooped quite low yourself, to the point that you come off as quite the begrudger.
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mossyframe,

Texas, USA 07/03/2008 15:55:57
I wonder how a top adviser could be so shallow and immature. And the fact that Obama head-hunted her makes me question his good judgement in choosing people he hangs around with. Tony Rezko is another one there.

It tells a lot about Obama immaturity.

I know there are many die hard fans of Obama, but I think people with good judgement, just need to take a step back, do not waste your vote. Don't vote because of blind love. We choose a president here.
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max843,

Baltimore 07/03/2008 15:56:08
Is the author not aware that now it has been shown it was Clinton's camp, not Obama's, who told Canada not to worry about the NAFTA comments? Then Canada contacted Obama's professor for a comment. The gentleman repeated exactly what Obama had said publicly re NAFTA.

Yesterday and today the NAFTA incident was on the front page of all the Canadian papers, saying Canada should apologize to Obama - with hardly a mention in the US press.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 15:59:00
AnF,

You get over it? Every woman on the face of this earth has had to deal with sexism. Over and over and over again. People like you don't care about women being treated poorly do you? Hillary is a strong woman and we back her all the way. Or have you missed the $35 million us Clinton supporters have raised for her in FEB.Or the over $5.5 million we have raised for her since her landslide victory on Tuesday.

Get a grip on reality. Hillary will be our next president. And the fact that you don't like women is just tough. You and all the other sexists out there are about to have one as president. There are so many great men out there. And then there are sexists like you. Why any woman would ever date people like you is beyond me.

And I dare you to tell African Americans to "get over racism." Go ahead I dare you.


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AbleGoodman,

Grand Junction, CO, USA 07/03/2008 16:00:13
Samantha Power rules. Hillary drools.
Great looking babes who speak truth really churn my butter! Shame on Obama for apologizing for the truth.
Pay no attention to the "liz_k" critter and her "shoulder-pad-gender-feminist" ilk. Samantha, if you're not already married, will you marry me? ;-)
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jaqueline,

07/03/2008 16:06:16
zigzag

How classless of you to refer to the Clinton's in such a tacky manner. Just like the Obama cult to bring down the level of discussion to the dirt. The way you insult Hillary fills us with such dreams and hopes for Americas future. NOT!
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Jesable,

california 07/03/2008 16:07:01
She must go!
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newslamp,

Ohio, USA 07/03/2008 16:08:01
With aides like Power, who needs Republicans?

Thank you, Gerri Peev, for giving us something to write and talk about.

http://www.newslampoon.com/obama_aide_calls_hillary_monster.htm
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Jesable,

california alta 07/03/2008 16:11:17
If Obama's senior foriegn policy advisor is such an idiot, what is its implication on the future of this country's foreign affairs.
She mut go!
Hillary supporters will settle on nothing but her resignation!
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McMillar,

Edinburgh 07/03/2008 16:12:01
Way to go Jacqueline…..you’re the man. HC would be such a retro step and not in a cool way.
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DonetoDeath,

07/03/2008 16:15:03
We'll folks its gona be just like what Ross had done for Billy.
All I can say is Go John Go!!!!!!!
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Jesable,

Alta California 07/03/2008 16:15:42
Obama thank you for the free gifts you and your campaign give us everyday.
You make our job very easy.
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wnaegele,

Albuquerque 07/03/2008 16:18:15
"'Hillary Clinton's a monster'"

Well, sociopath anyway...
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 16:18:31
322
If you paid attention, you'd know AnF is a woman, from New York. And, just for the record (if you couldn't tell from my tag) I am also a woman, so please don't go accusing me of being a "sexist" like you did AnF before checking your facts.

Interesting that you felt compelled to mention Clinton's fundraising and using that as a show of support from voters. Obama's supporters raised $55 million in February (as opposed to Clinton's $35 million). None of Obama's fundraising is from PACs -- all from individuals (candidates must disclose where, and from whom, the $ comes from). Clinton has tapped out all her PACs and high rollers and had to use $5 million of her own money to bolster her campaign.
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Sandi,

San Diego 07/03/2008 16:19:27
#225 The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

I agree. I hadn't thought about registration being the same as for the GE, but that's a really good addition.

As a Democrat, one of my greatest frustrations about this primary is that non-Democrats are picking my party's nominee. As it stands now, exit polls show that Hillary Clinton has more Democratic votes. When this gets to the Convention, you can be sure that all the Democrats there will know that. They are picking the Democratic nominee after all.
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ancestoralhome,

USA 07/03/2008 16:22:48
Monster" seems a bit much when describing a self-centered, highly ambitious, "anything goes in the pursuit of the prize" politician in the midst of so many kindred spirits. But then again, you really have to know her. A number of us are hoping that the near constant exposure she receives in this campaign will remind the American public why they were so glad to see her leave the national scene the last time.
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jaqueline,

USA 07/03/2008 16:24:47
I just checked Hillarys site again and we have now raised $6,108,345 for Hillary. In 48 hours we are breaking every record in town.

If anyone would like to make a donation or send Hillary a positive message please go to:
www.hillaryclinton.com
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Chalermpol Inth,

Newton, MA 07/03/2008 16:32:11
I'm for Hillary Clinton. I resent all personal attacks on her. It's unfair. It's out of place. Please focus on the substance.
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DaughterofScotland,

USA 07/03/2008 16:34:23
225 & 334
It does seem to have gone way past what the Founding Fathers intended (ie, a government of the people, by the people, for the people). Open primaries, closed primaries, and modified-closed primaries ... here in Illinois, people had to choose which party's primary to vote in, and as a result, it caused a lot of local elections to have very, very low turnout: folks wanted to vote one way locally, and another nationally. They had to choose one. Not very fair, and it hurts local politics more than the national.
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Arkancide,

Little Rock, Arkansas 07/03/2008 16:47:35
Nobody will be speaking to The Scotsman off the record again! Anyone wishing to know more about Hillary's murky past should go to www.arkancide.com where there is plenty of substance for you to focus on.
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Mike Gabrieli,

Arizona, USA 07/03/2008 16:48:28
What a pathetic excuse for a newspaper. I guess when you're a sad little pseudo-country like Scotland you need to stoop to desperate measures to attract the world's attention.
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gfm2008,

USA 07/03/2008 16:49:40
Media1,

Rarely have I come across a blog post which conveys such enormous insignificance as does this recent one from you. “Having visited the place on many occasions [sic.] I can say that it [America] is ok.” Well, thank you for clearing that up! But it goes without saying Europe offers more… like a drastically reduced standard of living, a de facto socialist state, native culture that is being displaced by Islamism in one or two generations. What a decaying, retrograde excuse for a continent.

Oh, and thank you for speaking up for “people around the world.” Your email box must be constantly getting overfull, inasmuch as you are in such constant contact with… well, everyone. The fact is, cowardly Europeans look down their noses at America – until the next time you need your asses bailed out of some misadventure and you need your big brother to handle the bully. Millions may not know Europe is a continent; many more millions don’t care.

“America is not a well like [sic.] nation and she needs to address that.” Why? To please inconsequential pipsqueaks like yourself? In the end, who cares what you like or don’t like? But at last, we get to the main point of your idiotic screed.

You finally reveal your true ignorance: “It is obvious to note that the founding fathers were indeed atheists. Good men with good values and good substance.” This is the essence of your snotty, moralistic drivel? That you are on the fast track to a Godless, empty socialism? “We have had many years of religious men in the white house [sic.], and look at the devastation that has been caused by them. They are evil to the core, self righteous and hypocrites.” (BTW, just who do you mean by “we?” Don’t include yourself in my country, clown.)

What devastation? Do you mean the devastation caused when we came to bail you clowns out in WWII? The devastation that kept you sniveling, mewling milksops out of the clutches of the USSR?

I believe you are an effete, feather-headed socialist los
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skylark,

USA 07/03/2008 16:51:28
Samantha Power has resigned from the Obama campaign
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Chithra KarunaKaran,

New York 07/03/2008 16:53:25
U.S. Civil Society and Presidential Election 2008

Hillary a "monster." ?

Is Samantha Power ex-Harvard President Lawrence Summers' twin from hell? She should resign just as Summers was finally forced to.

I voted for Obama. I think he delivers an authentic message. So does Hillary. Voters have the legal right to choose through the electoral process.
But Samantha Power discredits Obama's campaign and devalues the democratic process which the world's nation-states are desperately trying to develop,
by abusing her First Amendment rights of free speech with her incendiary ad hominem attack against Hillary Clinton.

Power does not work for the Jerry Springer show does she? She is employed by Harvard and she owes responsibility and can be held accountable for her public statements.

She is a self-appointed, Harvard-anointed arbiter of the "Practice of Global Leadership and Public Policy" at the Kennedy School of Government. She failed to be responsible to this prestigious and well-regarded institution and she is not a global leader by any stretch o0f the imagination.

As a post-colonial sociologist and a civil society activist I would characterize Powers' gratuitous verbal violence against Hillary Clinton, as part of of the practice of Systemic Whiteness.
White folks in particular exercise unearned skin privilege to damage democratic process for the Greater Collective Godd (GCG) because
they have a long history of a profound misplaced sense of entitlement under a pervasive structure, system and ideology of Whiteness.
Because Whiteness is a 3-part structure of Power, any one of us can be impacted and constrained, albeit unequally, by its overarching
as well as embedded and entrenched characteristic of power.

People cannot just abandon theory when it suits them. Power fumbled badly. She exposed her lack of ethical authority in the matter of political debate as part of an election.
Power should be held accountable and she should pay the price. Res
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gfm2008,

07/03/2008 16:53:30
Media1:

I believe you are an effete, feather-headed socialist loser; that you have no conception of your utter irrelevance; that you mistake your arrested moral development {atheism) for social superiority; and that, in all likelihood, your pathetic skatole was produced from your mother’s basement where you tap away all day in your crusty underpants. If you had any idea just how lame you really are, you’d hang yourself in your sleep.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 16:57:40
Good thing she resigned, since Obama won't fire people for doing the wrong thing. Why is Alan G. still working for him if he was speaking for himself on NAFTA?
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Jay1492,

USA 07/03/2008 16:58:42
It is any wonder the press is regarded with suspicion and held in such low esteem? Proud of yourself, are you, for tricking your fellow human being into discussing their feelings and then hurting her with them? Thanks so much for this contribution to our already bitter election.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 17:05:07
She's just resigned.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/03/07/breaking-obama-advisor-resigns-over-comment/
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:05:36
Hey, that is what the press does. If she is silly enough to blurt out a stupid comment like that she should know it will certainly get out. Someone speaking directly for a presidential candidate should be more careful. It says very clearly that the press never made an "off the record" agreement with her.
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kfd50,

eureka, ca 07/03/2008 17:12:31
Sounds like McCain should hire Ms. Powers.
As for your socialist rag, not only did your reporter publish remarks that were requested to be off the record, your editor sensors your own readers comments with "comment removed by administrator, reason-none" and " report unsuitable" Shame Shame
God am I glad my Grandfather left Edinburgh in 1880 and came to a country with FREE PRESS.
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wildebill,

USA 07/03/2008 17:13:30
She has learned the hard way, "nothing is off the record", journalistic integrity long ago died. There are a lot of mindless people posting her. God help us.
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Disgusted W/Scotsman,

USA 07/03/2008 17:13:54
This reporter should be fired along with the editor who allowed this smear to be printed. We have enough difficulty with the US press without media from another country trying to influence our presidential race. We know that someone in the Canadian government aided the Clinton campaign on the NAFTA scandal and now this. The damage you have done to your own publication will be severe, as you are no longer seen as trustworthy. Who would possibly confide in you now? I am sickened by this.
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:16:29
#341. "Proud of yourself, are you, for tricking your fellow human being..?" From the sounds of it, she was the one trying desperately to 'trick' her way out of an awkward situation, when she realised in horror what she had just said.

I hope Obama wins, by the way, but it's depressingly predictable in a situation like this for outraged Americans not only to 'shoot the messenger', but in one or two of the above posts to actually shoot the country in which the messenger happens to be situated - 'pseudo-country' indeed!
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:18:04
Sorry, my above post was responding to #349. Reading numbers accurately is not my strong point.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/03/2008 17:28:49
#352 - Free Press?

Most of the US media sites moderate posts before they get printed. Try posting something negative on CNN about Obama - it is very difficult - believe me!!
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:33:10
#352
#357
Personally I was glad to see that some posts had been removed. It ruins the whole dialog when people are genuinely trying to debate an issue and some ignorant blow hard sullies the whole thing with some angry uneducated comment. I find this a refreshing post compared to dealing with AOL! And of course CNN is biased- they are owned by GE which donated over 1 million dollars to Bush's campaign. Big business rules in the states. I love my country, but it has it's problems.
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Disgusted W/Scotsman,

USA 07/03/2008 17:37:45
#355

Baloney. When someone is giving an interview to someone in the media and tells them that something they said is off the record, it's off the record. For that publication to then print those statements obliterates all journalistic standards. This is a disgrace to all journalism. The Scotsman will no longer be seen as a credible source, especially in the US. If I were Samantha I would be talking to a lawyer and would sue the Scotsman for every penny she could get.
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Ian Menzies,

Epsom 07/03/2008 17:39:02
#342 Yes indeedy this may be a crap paper, however sluring a whole country does seem rather strong considering.
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Patrick F,

New York 07/03/2008 17:43:10
Ms Power was being honest and was nailed for it by The Scotsman, "off the record" means just that. Now I have to possibly accept the fact that Hillary gains the upper hand. The Republicans are as happy as pigs in manure,they have the dirt on Clinton. I have heard from so many sources that people over here will erupt if McCain wins. He is equal to GW, it's all in the eyes or am I the only person that sees it. I became a citizen in 1999, the last 7 years here has been somewhat frustrating listening to Republicans that haven't got a clue or else don't care. The Obama concept is this Country's last hope,the US people have to flush out the corruption in Washington before it's too late.
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portsmouth,

Rhode Island 07/03/2008 17:43:27
You could talk to a lawyer and they would tell you that you couldn't win that one. For an off the record agreement to be made, they sign an agreement before the interview. Basically she just ran her mouth and then thought "woops" and said "this is off the record" ... well, no it's not if that wasn't the agreement. Really stupid rookie mistake.
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pinchechris,

Texas 07/03/2008 17:45:36
A rose by another name... Wouldn't smell as sweet. So when did it become a crime to call things by there name?
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Emily Walters,

Houston, Texas, USA 07/03/2008 17:48:07
Foxnews.com is reporting concerning this story that the adviser in question told the reporter that the "monster" remark was made off the record. Holding a Journalism degree myself, if this is true, then this is an example of terrible and unethical journalism and you should be ashamed of yourself.
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JElaine,

NJ USA 07/03/2008 17:48:09
A few thoughts....
Your caption under Sen. Clinton's pictures says that recently she "had looked desperate" on television appearances, but as one reads the article it is the Obama repsentative, who characterized Sen. Clinton that way. Is is responsible journalism to write an opinion caption as if it were fact? I am a news junkie - and took my time deciding between Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama - and I have not seen Sen. Clinton looking desperate on television. Desperation is almost always in the eye of the beholder. If one wants to see, one will.

On the other side, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with The Scotsman's handling of the 'off the record' comment. As a professional woman I am always happy when unfair, negative comments about other professional women are brought to light, but if the person giving the interview meant it as 'off the record' it should have been. Of course, there is always the possibility that she was being manipulative, i.e. saying 'off the record' so she could pretend that the entire Sen. Obama team were very professional and ethical, but consciously going all out to get your newspaper to paint Sen. Clinton in a negative way. Just a thought. Honey wouldn't melt in her mouth - an old US saying, for people who appear to be all sweet and charming in public, but really aren't as sweet as they want you to believe they are.
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JElaine,

NJ 07/03/2008 17:51:25
clarification.....the honey comment was for Power.

p.s. sorry for the typos I missed in the earlier comment (365).
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FrancesP,

07/03/2008 17:52:48
#359. "When someone is giving an interview to someone in the media and tells them that something they said is off the record, it's off the record". I'd like to see how that rather novel principle would work in a live television interview - actually, come to think of it, I know what would happen because John Prescott tried it once and it's since been repeated several dozen times on TV 'out-take' shows!

If she had said "what I'm about to tell you is off-the-record" and the journalist had nodded in agreement, you'd have a point. Retrospectively and unilaterally trying to decree that one inconvenient part of an on-the-record interview is going to be made off-the-record is a somewhat different matter. I suspect if Ms Power took your advice and consulted a lawyer in this country that's precisely what she would be told. To be fair, she seems to be taking this with rather better grace than you are.

However, I seem to be defending the Scotsman's integrity, which as an SNP supporter is making me feel slightly queasy, so perhaps I should bow out at this point. Why haven't we been told what George Foulkes has to say on the matter?
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Media 1,

cape town 07/03/2008 17:53:20
gfm

Thank you for responding, it is always nice to hear the views of a third, fourth or maybe fifth generation Italian, Irishman or Scotsman.

Thankfully, like your country, what you think does'nt actually matter. Nevertheless, since you went to such effort to respond, I feel I must offer you a response.

Speaking of drastically reduced living, which American trailor park should I begin with? As for Europe being what you deem to be insignificant, one can only revert to the truth. America was built by Europeans! Even as late as the 40's and 50's you were calling out for German scientists and calling on the great European minds that were lost on the new generation of what we call American's.
Who were those brilliant American's again? Was it Socrates, Plato, Pythagoras, Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Newton,Flemming, Graham Bell, Livingston, Shakespeare, Einstein, Descartes? I would go on, but it would only depress you further.

Cowardly Europeans you say! Yes that is right, America arrived for the last part of the war and assisted in the dismantling of the Hitler regime. But then you needed to, because had that ONE Europen nation got past Britain,France and a host of other nations, they were coming to get you lot, so out of fear and the acknowledgement that your nation was in danger, you joined the party late and saved your asses from a German can of whip ass!

And no, America need not change to suit me. It must simply change because it needs to change.

You took the time to speak about what I said regarding the founding father, yet avoided the fact that they were indeed athiests who had more moral fibre than any man who has sat at the head of the Oval office in the last 40 years.

And believe me, I DO NOT include myself in your country, it is your country who includes itself in everyone elses. For now that is! And dont me tired regarding Russia, you know as well as I do, that had Russia been a capitalist nation, she would have been so far ahead of America
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ObamaFan08,

Raleigh, NC, USA 07/03/2008 17:53:58
To say Obama's is an "inexperienced campaign" reveals your bias toward Hillary. Obama's campaign has been lauded as the best ever seen. The "experienced" and "inevitable" Hillary, on the other hand, has made one strategic error after the other. She even had to lend her campaign money when it almost went bankrupt. She is so inept she has to resort to smear tactics rather than running on merit. After living with the likes of Bush, Rove, and Bill Clinton for 16 years, I would not be shocked to learn that Bill and Hill put that Canadian Prime Minister's office up to creating that lie about Obama and Nafta just before the vote. She'll stop at nothing, but she'll NEVER get my vote.