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Published Date: 25 October 2008
GORDON Brown today paid his first by-election campaign visit to Glenrothes as Prime Minister.
The PM made a brief visit to the Fife town in carefully-controlled circumstances.

For 20 minutes Mr Brown talked to three families in a café in the town and aides said he planned to return to the campaign next week.

Mr Brown, who was accompanied by his wife, Sarah, met the families in a café in a car service centre next door to the Labour campaign headquarters on an industrial estate.

The conversation ranged over the economy to the health service and local increases in the cost of home helps, and Mr Brown took occasional swipes at the SNP in the course of it.

Mr Brown later denied the visit was a sign of Labour desperation at holding the seat, where they are defending a majority of 10,664 over the SNP.

"I was here a few weeks ago," he said in a round of TV interviews later.

"I wanted to come and explain to people what we are doing in this global financial crisis to make sure people are properly protected.

"We are doing more to help homeowners, we are doing more to help pensioners with their fuel bills by raising the winter allowance.

"We are doing more to help people that have had problems with their jobs by trying to make vacancies available for people looking for work."

He went on: "I am trying to explain also that we are dealing with a global financial crisis that has hit the Scottish banks.

"It started in America but it has hit all countries and we are leading the world in taking action to sort it out."

He denied that he had failed to prepare for bad times when he proclaimed the end of boom and bust.

"Everybody knows this is a global financial problem that started in America then affected the whole of the system," said Mr Brown.

There had been "irresponsible and undisclosed" lending by financial institutions, and assets that proved worthless were sold on to the rest of the world.

"We have got to deal with that problem – a problem we did not know about that started in America but a problem we have to deal with," he said.

"I think people will look at the action we have taken which has led the world."

And Mr Brown insisted: "We are taking the right decisions and the long-term decisions that are necessary.

"We have gone against the advice of some of the other parties but have done the right things." Mr Brown said there had been 10 years of good economic growth.

"Because of the work we have done over these last 10 years we are better prepared to deal with what is a world financial problem that's hitting every country."

Mr Brown said Britain had low interest rates, low national debt, and firms outside the financial sector were in a stronger position than 15 years ago.

"We are taking the action necessary because we are building on some of the strongest foundations that have been created over the last 10 years, he said."

Mr Brown sat with candidate Lindsay Roy at a table at Cormack's Café, where they chatted with six people who Labour had said had expressed an interest in meeting the Prime Minister.

They were council gardener Donald Young, 38, his wife Rona, 36, a nurse, their son Haydn, four, and daughter Iona, 13 months, from Buckhaven, Fife.

Also there were company director Brian Lumsden 57, and his wife Shona, 47. a secretary, from Beechwood, Glenrothes, and pensioner couple Jim Wright, a former bus driver, 72, and his wife Violet, 66, a former nurse, from Leven, Fife.

All said they were not Labour party members but had supported the party in the past, except for Mr Wright who voted SNP last time but said he was unhappy with the way the council had responded to a food poisoning issue.

After Mr Brown left, all said they planned to vote Labour, as they had in the past.

The conversation began with the Youngs on the health service and home help charges, an issue which has featured prominently in the campaign where the SNP candidate, Peter Grant, is the leader of Fife Council.

"We are going to have to do something about this," said Mr Brown.

"This is the local council making decisions to increase charges in some cases by 400%."

Mr Brown talked to the Youngs about their children, and was told their son was being treated for a rare kidney disease.

When he talked to the Lumsdens, the economy loomed large.

Mr Brown spoke of the government's £37 billion rescue package for banks which include the Royal Bank of Scotland and HBOS.

And the rescue, he said, was not being carried out at the expense of the health or education services.

Mr Brown ducked the chance of discussing the SNP's plans for a local income tax.

When Mr Roy mentioned this, Mr Brown said: "I don't think perhaps this is the time..." and went on: "What everybody wants at the moment is everybody to come together and get through this fairly.

"They want people to work together.

"When we rescued the banks it wasn't Scotland-versus-England or England-versus-Scotland.

"We had the strength of the United Kingdom behind us."

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1

tearortwo,

Burton on Trent 25/10/2008 12:23:58
Did anyone ask why he left the people of Glenrothes without an MP for so long when he instigated bye elections in Crewe and Nantwich and Glasgow East with almost indecent haste? Secondly, is he hoping to bury the result at a time when the news media will be focused on the USA result?
2

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 12:35:18
Brown could only manage a centre next to the Labour headquarters and can only speak to 4 year olds?

Brown has no bottle and is an absolute coward and has blundered from one diaster to another, he is simple not fit to lead and will go after another humiliation in Glenrothes!
3

vimto,

25/10/2008 12:41:34
3. Who the hell are you to call Brown a coward,you live in Moscow,if ever there was a country who did things behind other countries backs it Russia, go spout your bile to the kremlin comrade!
4

chico y,

25/10/2008 12:43:43
"Hello prime minister, is it true you are turning Great Britain into the new Iceland ?" BANG

5

Calum10,

25/10/2008 12:46:18
The Big Feartie Fae Fife shows once more that he can't do human with this 20 minute stage managed talk with a small group of hand-picked Labour voters.

Surely someone in Scottish journalism can see through all this nonsense. Then again we are dealing with Labour hacks - they love this rubbish.

6

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 12:46:25
4 Vimpto#

Brown is the biggest political coward in the history of UK politics. Whenever there is a crisis he hides away and let's others take the blame, he is a joke and he knows it, a social misfit and a bit of a freak who does not have the ba**s to confront the electorate.

Reading his squirming and trying to blame the US for his mis-management is an embarassement, he is an embarassement.

As for Russia there are no comrades left, that was 20 years ago..but at least you show how up to date with politics you are..Kremlin should be spelt with a big K and not a littly one bye the way.
7

vimto,

25/10/2008 12:47:53
5. You really are a first rate chump,it's a great pity your brains are in your backside.
8

Rev. S. Campbell,

Bath 25/10/2008 12:52:20
20 minutes with people who were already Labour voters? Does that count as "campaigning"? Seems more like a (very short) sermon to the choir.
9

vimto,

25/10/2008 12:52:24
7. And littly should be spelt"Little", what a smart a=se.
10

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 12:52:36
8 vimpto#

You are the one who thinks any Russian can be described as a communist, rather in the same way the Russians describe all English men as homosexuals..not correct in either sense but little in the way of brain-matter between both of you i think.

11

chico y,

25/10/2008 12:53:14
All the hidden debt he has racked up is now becoming apparent and sterling is in freefall. Time to go clunking fist, you've wrecked the Uk economy and it's going to take years to recover.
12

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 12:53:36
10 vimpto#

'littly' as in i am speaking to a child but you are not even bright enough to figure that one out? Dear oh dear!
13

brownlie,

25/10/2008 12:54:30
8 vimto

Greetings, vimto, nice of you to drop in and give us the benefit of your words of wisdom.

Do you think that there is any significance in the fact that Gordon Brown visiting Scotland is categorised by the Scotsman as news rather than politics?
14

vimto,

25/10/2008 12:56:03
11. It's "VIMTO" YOU REALLY NEED TO BRUSH UP ON YOUR SPELLING! And why is a Russian so concerned about Scotland.
15

izzie,

dundee 25/10/2008 12:57:25
Does anyone really believe that Gordon Brown's brief visit to Labour supporters will make 1 iota of difference to the outcome of the by-election?
16

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 12:57:41
15 VIMPTO#

I'm a Scot not Russia, panyemayesh?
17

vimto,

25/10/2008 12:58:43
14. You may have a point,but at least he came to Glenrothes, the snp would have you believe he didnae have the B=lls.
18

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 25/10/2008 13:01:06
Back to topic - At least Sarah Brown managed to chap on a few (Labour) doors. This control freak job at a cafe next to Labour HQ shows how he needs to read his own book on "Courage" again.

But like Arnie we are told "he'll be back". No doubt helicoptered in to knock on a Labour cooncillor's door somewhere. What's wrong with this guy? Sorry - rhetorical question.
19

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:02:04
17. Ah, so you work in Moscow,and belly ache about Scotland, when you haven't the gumpsion to stay in Scotland and fight for your beliefs!
20

brownlie,

25/10/2008 13:02:56
18 vimto

Yes, quite right, it takes enormous balls to spend a few minutes in a cafe in your own country!
21

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 13:06:36
20 vimpto cumbria#

Why don't you leave Cumbria and go to Scotland and campaign for the union, Kimba! What is 'gumpsion'? Gumption you mean?

No suprise you can't spell a word that you don't understand!
22

chico y,

25/10/2008 13:07:49
A shame he didn't get the Phil Woolas treatment.
23

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 13:09:23
Where are all the unionists who were having a stroke when Salmond took his cabinet around the country and accusing him of hand-picking the audience?

At leats the average age was above 4!

All quiet today?

24

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:13:37
22. Don't talk to me about spelling you
illiterate nerdsky, and i am not in Cumbria,and i am not kimba.
25

chico y,

25/10/2008 13:14:21
20 Vimto, are there no regional papers in NW England you can go and comment on. You seem to me to be an anti Scottish liebour clown and you are putting me off a soft drink I used to enjoy.
26

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:16:21
24. "At leats the average age was above 4!" WHAT'S WRONG WITH THIS SENTENCE NEVSKY?
27

chico y,

25/10/2008 13:18:03
27-
I'm sure his English is better than your Russian, you Cumbrian.
28

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:19:16
26. For the last time, I AM NOT IN CUMBRIA!
29

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 13:21:09
From the picture, that's one bairn in therapy for a long, long time. And is that the caff's owner busy mopping up sick in the background?
30

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:22:21
28. HE'S A SCOT YOU T=AT, and i am proud to say i was born and raised in Teesside in the NORTH-EAST of ENGLAND.
31

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 13:23:43
In fact I intend to contact Fife Social Services. Anyone who would subject their offspring to such torment has dubious parenting skills. Mind you. if it's for the good of the Party...
32

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:23:51
30. ONLY IF YOU HAD VISITED PREVIOUSLY.
33

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 13:30:57
#33 Vimto

Sounds like you'd loved to have been their, adding to the nauseating stage-managed sham. Are you the only person stupid enough to fall for it or do you actually believe we have a low national debt? Santa still flies in from the North Pole every year, you know.
34

Brian Hill,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 13:33:01
News coming from Glenrothes: SNP campaign in tatters, Marwick admitted to local psychiatric hospital clutching Labour Party membership form and mumbling "...A Gordon fur me, a Gordon fur me, if you're no a G....before the tranquilliser mercifully kicked in......

And BREAKING NEWS Salmond and Grant have just been pulled down from the edge of the roof of Glenrothes House. "Get your facts right rasped an SNP spokesman it was the shopping centre roof, nowhere near as high".

And all this from a whirlwind campaign tour by Mr and Mrs Brown. It only took 9 houses in Cardenden, 4 families in a Glenrothes cafe and a 4 year old to reduce the SNP to shreds.

Bookies have stopped taking bets on the SNP (they don't believe in theft...Labour now 100 to 1 on).

Mr Brown will be holding a mass 'Meet the People Rally' in his Kitchen on the Eve of Poll when a large Mini Cooper will bring voters from the constituency.

Unfortunately only 1 will get into the rally as the kitchen will be full of TV, press and security. (we understand the lucky voter will be Lindsay Roy...lucky man...name seems familiar.....)

Wow, exciting times in Glenrothes.
35

izzie,

DUNDEE 25/10/2008 13:39:48
'Mr Brown talked to three families' Oh good that's six votes in the bag then and presumably Roy of the Rovers will vote for himself so that only leaves another nine thousand nine hundred and ninety three to find to hold the majority.
36

vimto,

25/10/2008 13:58:59
34/35. I suppose as a SNP supporter you are pron to getting your own way! But i am afraid on this occasion you will not, for once you are WRONG,yes i did say WRONG! I am not kimba (but am proud to say she is my daughter) and you will not intimidate either myself or any other unionist on this thread. I Sincerely hope you have the brain power to understand.
37

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:03:01
36. I believe Brown is doing his best under very difficult circumstances,but as per usual you get those who seem to know all but in fact know nowt!
38

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:04:30
40. Apparently you don't.
39

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:09:06
42. And you are a moron. I am neither a he nor a geordie! Thankfully, Teesside is 40 miles south of Newcastle.
40

GEORGE KING,

DUMFRIES SCOTLAND 25/10/2008 14:10:30
brilliant comment Salem
41

GEORGE KING,

DUMFRIES SCOTLAND 25/10/2008 14:12:17
http://forums.newsandstar.co.uk/
http://forums.timesandstar.co.uk/

Here are a couple of good regional north of england forums
42

mr angry,

ayrshire 25/10/2008 14:12:50
41. You are obviously stupid. Brown has wrecked the country , he sends his wife with 7 gunmen to visit 4 handpicked houses, and not allowed to speak, he then hides in a cafe and speaks to 6 handpicked labour voters. Yes he is really on top of things, and when Emu tried to talk about LIT he was shut up , get a grip.
43

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:13:24
44. No i don't! But having said that i don't have to justify myself to the likes of you,believe what you will, you are obviously a stupid person.
44

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:18:04
48. It's amazing how scots put Labour into power,but now things are getting a little tough (as they are all around the world) it's a different story.
45

mr angry,

ayrshire 25/10/2008 14:21:16
50. No its just that after being treated like sheep for so long , some are actually waking up to the fact that Labour have done little for Scotland and are only interested when they need the vote, and can then ignore them till next time. We will see at next election , they will be out everywhere , not just in Scotland.
46

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:26:56
52. Are you calling me a liar! I Sincerely hope for your sake you are not.
47

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 14:28:53
According to The Independent, the Prime Minister's "irritating distraction" over Lord Mandelson's association with a Russian billionaire (who also entertained the Tory Shadow Chancellor on his luxury yacht) will be published tomorrow when it is claimed that a full blown scandal will be exposed?

This only calls into question Brown's poor judgement in bringing Mandelson back into the cabinet?

It couldn't have come at a worse time for Labour as the fallout descends on Glenrothes!
48

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25/10/2008 14:28:56
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49

vimto,

25/10/2008 14:32:37
51. So the great Salmond came along and promised you all etopia, and like sheep (your words not mine) you switch your allegeance.
50

brownlie,

25/10/2008 14:35:33
56 vimto

I've been to etopia but it was full of etopians. After the scandal tomorrow do you think Brown will kick Mandelson out of the cabinet and put him back in the closet??
51

mr angry,

ayrshire 25/10/2008 14:41:01
53. Give up , stop digging.
52

KWC,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 15:02:02
Brown was on TV minutes ago still spouting on about how he is leading the world to recovery.

Is it me or all all the figures that a government chooses to be measured against as bad as I ever remember them being? The only record Brown can claim -- by a mile -- is the amount of money he has spent to make himself look good. Our children will probably learn more of the truth behind this than us. They will be paying for it.

Can't wait to see him put out of harm's way. He is ruining us ... and the world!
53

vimto,

25/10/2008 15:23:39
61. You should visit Teesside, it's nothing like tyneside,we are not so loud and we have manners.
54

vimto,

25/10/2008 15:25:56
59. NO, i meant eutopia, missed the "u" out.
55

Weegiewarbler,

Afloatinaboat 25/10/2008 15:29:46
Vimpto:

Several Posts.

Hello there :-)
Noting you decry "Nevsky" - May we suggest "Vimpto from Cumbria" (or wherever) that you refrain from commenting on Scottish politics until you educate yourself enough to have at least a little knowledge of the country.
You see dear man, MOSCOW is a nice little place in Scotland.

Also: Anyone who thinks HERR BROWN (used as per the third reich - if you're going to tell a lie - make it a WHOPPER) - the UK is close to the most debt ridden country on the planet.

BTW - Iceland's currency is performing FAR better than the UK's - can you explain that.

Will you be as happy next year when almost everything you want to buy is between 20% & 40% more expensive? (with the pounds devaluation)

How about the erstwhile GB having to beg to be allowed into an EU currency meeting?

Who will you blame then - yourself for voting Labour? - As it seems GB is blameless in your opinion.

Could go on ad infinitum - but tired of typing - just going to finish with this.

GB = Gordon Brown = Great Britain = Gone Bust
56

WSS,

sandbach 25/10/2008 15:42:51
When Mandelson comes up to Glenrothes to canvas "notes", questions should be asked of him.
Brown seems to deny any involvement in the appointment of M to the EU. Who did "anoint" him to this position?
Did MANDELSON give the correct dates of his involvement with Detripaska when he was investigated by EU?
When and who took the decisions on Aluminium duties which allowed Mandelson's friend Detripaska to benefit to the tune of £200million?
Did Brown know the correct dates of Mandelson's involvement with Detripaska and if not why not since according to various newspaper reports our efficient intelligence sources have many chapters and verses relating to our unelected minister?
57

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25/10/2008 15:51:20
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58

brownlie,

25/10/2008 15:53:46
In the picture Brown is saying to the wee boy "You'll be paying back the debts that Darling and I are trying to hide!".
59

Suomi,

Salo,Finland 25/10/2008 16:15:02
What the heck is Labours problem in Glenrothes?Sarah Brown is only allowed to speak for 20 minutes to a selected sample of Labour supporters.That is probably less than two minutes per person to speak about home repossession,fuel poverty,rising prices,the continued fall in share values and subsequent threat to pension funds and the stability of Banks.She is not allowed to talk to the press.Now Gordon talks for twenty minutes to three Labour supporting families chosen by the Labour candidate.The total sample is not representative of voters accross the constituency and Gordon takes the opportunity to attack the SNP while speaking to the converted.

One wonders what Labour can actually offer during an economic downturn that was partly caused by Gordon Browns mistake in allowing debt to accumulate? If he were to talk to a more representative sample of voters he is likely to learn that the SNP government(with limited powers) are doing everything possible,for as many people as possible to help with rising prices,heating costs and the threat of repossesion of their homes.Those voters who look at reality,rather than the rhetoric will also know that SNP MP's at Westminster are continually speaking out on behalf of issues that concern Scottish voters.We need more like that and Peter Grant will make a tremendous MP for the electors of Glenrothes.

The issues do need to be debated and it is a great pity that Gordon Brown only wants to debate with his own supporters or comment to a largly compliant media.The attempt to stifle debate is evident by his avoidance of most voters and the closing down of comments by the Herald today.It is somewhat sad that opportunity to hear a representaive sample of public opinion is being controlled.
60

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 16:16:54
#72 Salem

Leave Vimto alone. It's like torturing a wee trusting puppy or something. It's not big and it's not clever.
61

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 16:20:23
69 Red Etin#

Well we can believe what GB says or you can look at the facts. Mandleson today came out and ststed that as had been 'mis-reported' he actually met the Russian in 2004 and not 2006 and had numerous meetings!

1. Why should Mandleson be having meetings with dubious businessmen at all?
2. Why should he be using their money to be wined and dined when he is a public servant?
3. How many meetings did Mandleson have on tachts and in Hotels?
4. Suddenly the embargo on Russian aluminium was listed enabling this man to begin exports to the EU, how?
5. How much has this man made from the lifting of the embargo?

6. Because the EUcannot prove that Mandleson was not involved in any corruption IT STILL INVOLVED A FULL ENQUIRY.

7. Anyone who is in business knows that any meeting is always a pre-cursor to business.

Mandleson is a lying rat and the worst opportunist this country has ever produced; two days in government and the stink of corruption surrounds him again..and this is who Brown trusts with Scottish banks?

What a joke and an insult!
62

vimto,

25/10/2008 16:22:05
66.
Dictionary.com
an Ask.com service


No results found for etopia:
Did you mean eutopia (in dictionary) or Eutopia (in reference)? Wrong again,at least i have the guts to admit it.
63

Draco Was a Wimp,

Edinburgh 25/10/2008 16:22:37
#73 Suomi

Broon and his media handlers (and his dupes in the media) are obviously having their Gotterdamerung moment. Like Adolf and his cronies, he believes his own nonsense. Yes, mein Fuhrer, there are armies to save Berlin. Yes Prime Minister, our national debt is lowest. We're lucky, we've only just slipped into recession so that makes it OK. We are 'better placed' to come out of the recession (sorry, 'downturn') earlier. Leave him be. If reality hit him, he'd go madder than he already clearly is.
64

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 16:27:03
77 vimpto#

You are always, always wrong!
65

Brian M,

25/10/2008 16:29:57
did Brown actually step foot in Glenrothes at all? or did he just walk from car to cafe, then back to car, then got the hell out of it.
66

Conan the Librarian™,

25/10/2008 16:30:05
75
Red Ettin.

Do you mean the drink or the poster?
67

SEUMAS,

fearn 25/10/2008 16:32:33
Reading some of the posts here, it's time to raise the age of participation to at least twelve
68

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 25/10/2008 16:32:59
#76

. Anyone who is in business knows that any meeting is always a pre-cursor to business.

Rubbish! It may be to cultivate contacts, it may be to end a deal or start one, anyone who really knows business knows that talking makes things happen.
69

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 16:34:30
82 sm753#

Pehaps you were not aare that during the cold war (and before) the English were the only officials that the Russian would send boys to instead of girls.

I am not making a point in this, it is fact and well documented here!
70

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 16:37:00
84#

Mandleson should have met with a russian aluminium manufacturer from Siberia for what reasons then exactly?

Guess what some months later the rules for exports for Russia were relaxed, coincidence? Not in my book and neither in the book of those who complained and forced an OFFICIAL enquiry.

You are naive, grow up! It's all about the cash; Mandleson knows it..he is a corrupt liar but then he has 20x more cash than you i am guessing!
71

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 25/10/2008 16:51:12
I wonder if Brown realises that he will never be welcome in Scotland. I mean here is the unelected Prime Minister of the UK who lied about the referendum committment London Controlled New Labour promised ALL the People of the UK. Then he sneaks of to Europe to sign the papers on his own because even back then he was he knew he was a hated man.

Then on top of his sleakit trip to Europe he then has to sneak into Scotland to attend a set up meeting, in a cafe next door to a factory in an Industrial Area which is London New Labours Campaign Headquarters. Meanwhile Alex can get in his car in Edinburgh and drive to any part of Scotland, without any fear. He doesnt skulk around trying to hide from anyone, he gets mobbed everywhere he goes, and the media that hates him so much makes their living off a man who is a giant in Scottish History.

Brown isnt feeling very safe in an area he actualy grew up in. He is scared to debate Alex in an open forum.

Theres little doubt about the fact that Browns lies and his attempt to undermine what used to be his countries People is his eternal shame. He started the moves to grab our bank on a trip back from Asia with the Lloyds Chairman, before he even knew the bank had been mismanaged by a southern appointee chairman and his Government.

Well Broon the last laugh will be ours, you will be long gone like those traitors before who couldnt beat the Scottish Spirit during their three hundred years of occupation. We will get our Bank back when the sharehlders Vote against it. You wont be losing thirty thousand Scottish Jobs, to punish Scotland for standing up tall and saying enough is enough.

We will have to make sure we catch him slinking on his belly into Glenrothes the next time. He really needs to stop hiding behind his wifes skirt, and get a bit of spine about him.

I wonder if the cop who killed the poor Brazilian Laddie was in Broons Special Branch Secret Service. He was really upset at accidently shooting the poor Laddi
72

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 16:54:10
84#

You seriously think that a Russian billionaire would pay for Madleson to come to his yacht and pay for all his expenses over the course of five meeting and expect nothing in return and also have promised nothing in return?

In the meantime Mandleson opens up the embargo to Russia for the cheapest Aluminium market..and you really do believe that this was all above board?

Some of the people on these boards are almost like children in the way they believe the world works!
73

A Better Way,

Scottish Republic 25/10/2008 16:54:16


We will have to make sure we catch him slinking on his belly into Glenrothes the next time. He really needs to stop hiding behind his wifes skirt, and get a bit of spine about him.

I wonder if the cop who killed the poor Brazilian Laddie was in Broons Special Branch Secret Service. He was really upset at accidently shooting the poor Laddie TEN TIMES IN THE HEAD. Never missed the head once. I wonder how his mammy from Brazil recognised him in his coffin.

I suppose thats another casualty from the Iraqi Illegal Invasion. My condolence to his family.

When I grew up the Police didnt want or have Guns. What went wrong. Dixon of Doc Green will be turning in his grave.
74

brownlie,

25/10/2008 17:18:43
82 sm753

"Quite right, too, we unionists are never racist - it's only nationalists!

We would never describe meeting, openly, with a law-abiding Islamic group "playing with fire".
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/10/2008 17:21:47
Is this "news report" a dumbed down propaganda press release, a party political broadcast in print or a fairy story, Mr Gunn?

After Broon explained that it was all the fault of the the big, bad Americans, everyone happily went home to vote Labour - secure in the knowledge that Britain was the best led country in the world.

Er, Scotsman. Excuse me but you are meant to be publishing stories for intelligent readers.
76

Nevsky,

Moscow 25/10/2008 17:26:05
Here are the facts:

One of Mandelsons best pals is Rothschild who has (as a personal friend of course) invited Mandelson to his yacht and also to his personal villa in Closters (not bad for a socialist who is now Lord Mandelson of whatever).

Rothschild is also a personal friend of Oleg Derispaka, his financial advisor and a shareholder in his aluminium company, corrupt and a liar:


'However, Lord Mandelson’s enjoyment of Mr Rothschild’s hospitality has raised questions of a possible conflict of interest in his role in Brussels. There, he made decisions on tariffs that affected Mr Deripaska’s aluminium empire. Mr Rothschild is described as principal adviser to Mr Deripaska and his investment vehicle, Basic Element, which owns a majority stake in Rusal, the world’s largest producer of aluminium. Mr Rothschild is also chairman of N Plus, an energy company owned by Mr Deripaska'

Stinks of lies and corruption!
77

Westfield Bairns,

falkirk 25/10/2008 17:30:59
Scotsman with a bit of propoganda for the Anti-Scottish Gordon Brown loathed in Scotland for his Anti-Scottish policies
78

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/10/2008 17:32:33
Or was Mr Gunn only quoting Broon so that we could see what a patronising buffoon he is by talking to the Labour vote like they were stupid children?

Hmmm? ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.....................
79

Gtj,

25/10/2008 17:44:11
This was just a staged managed PR stunt with minimum effort and maximum exposure.

Unfortunately for Brown most of the voting public knows he is a charlatan.



80

Weegiewarbler,

afloatinaboat 25/10/2008 18:09:48
#87 Better Way

Were you trying to write tomorrows headlines for the Scotsman?

If so were you talking about 1707 or 2008?

Either way when referencing a senior "Scottish Statesman" it would have played with the ring of truth.

Well Done !!
81

Conan the Librarian™,

25/10/2008 18:11:13
97
I'm sure Hayden, 4, is quite bright Jock, but possibly still young enough to believe him.

Thanks be he can't vote.
82

Jimmy Le Pie,

25/10/2008 19:17:42
Vimto,

Are you in a bad mood because your team was humiliated by Sunderland today??
83

Jimmy Le Pie,

25/10/2008 19:23:55
Can any Unionist answer my question??

You not got any theories AM2??

If, like Comrade Broon says, the recession is global, why is the Pound dropping like a stone against all currencies except the Zimbabwean Dollar and the North Korean Won???
84

Silent Hunter,

Scotland 25/10/2008 19:25:53
Interesting that the Scotsman forgets to say that the three families in question were all HAND PICKED BY THE LABOUR PARTY.

Funny that ?

And guess what?..........after Gordon speaks........they ALL intend to vote for Labour. LOL

Joseph Goebbels would be proud of the Labour Spin Machine. ;O)
85

Jimmy Le Pie,

25/10/2008 20:14:41
Did anyone notice Comrade Broon has almost completely devoured his fingernails??

Must be the realisation that he's made a complete €rse of the whole economy and ruined the country for decades to come.

He is an utter disgrace.
86

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/10/2008 20:33:19
Still wouldn't surprise me if the Fifers vote Labour. They like to be different.
87

TheTerminator,

25/10/2008 20:42:47
A rumour is sweeping through England that a growing number of Labour MP's are considering a change to the Smoking Ban ( in England ) to let landlords decide whether to allow smoking or not. It seems that the MP's are worried that with over 2000 pubs closed since the smoking ban started their seats could be in danger.
88

Finnzz,

25/10/2008 20:48:50
This gathering of Labour supporters and their families are a well tried and tested method of insinuating that there are members of the public actually interested in meeting the PM.

I have a horrible feeling that Brown is unaware of the fakery and deceit that these photo ops are.
89

Steve,

25/10/2008 21:23:40
Labour are lying through their teeth about the homecare issue. The SNP have made it possible for more people to receive homecare free, while only those who are able to pay will be paying. Labour charge the exact same amounts in their councils. What a bunch of hypocrites!
Vote SNP, lets ditch these Labour idiots.
90

The_Reiver,

25/10/2008 21:53:23
Vote SNP for 'Apart-Hate' policies.

Voters of Glenrothes have a clear choice:

3 centre-right parties
2 crypto-fascist parties
2 socialist parties

People of Fife remember your Marxist roots!
91

Truely English,

25/10/2008 22:20:45
It was good to hear David Cameron coming out in support of the Union between Scotland and England and to stand up for all those people, who have family on both sides of the Border.

The bonds that hold us together are very strong and we share so much like the English language which the Scots have been so strident in its promotion over the last 300 years. Then there is the shared present day culture from pop music, to our television stations, which has helped nation speak unto nation in so many rewarding ways and for this we are all so grateful.

Creating division will not help any part of our British nation and what we require are ways to heal any further movement in this direction.
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Finlang,

Switzerland 26/10/2008 01:23:36
#102 Jimmy Le Pie

In your sympathetic plea to the astoundingly intelligent "eutopian" Vimto/Kimba, you suggested she might be in a bad mood because her team was humiliated by Sunderland today.

Bone up on your geographical awareness, M'sieur Le Pie. The wise one told you she lives on Teesside. If she supports a football team, it is highly unlikely that a Teessider will support Newcastle Utd. Sunderland - being Wearside - might get the nod on the day, but given her location, Middlesbrough, Hartlepool, or even Darlington would be the side of choice.






95

livilion,

livingston 26/10/2008 02:45:35
#111 Stumps nae luck.

I have family on both sides of the border, English grannie, in laws, extended family, friends, etc, what exactly has David Cameron done lately to stand up for me?

The English language? we haven't had much option but to use it, seeing that our native tongues after Union were declared seditious with transportation to Botany Bay for their use, and still gey few schools in Scotland to this day able to teach them.

TV? hmm did you enjoy the build up to the big game on Football Focus or on Match of the Day tonight, over 58,000 at Parkhead?
No of course you didn't, it was in Scotland and the London based BBC and ITV don't cover 'foreign' domestic matches do they?
We can wait till some time later during the week after the watershed when the kids are tucked up in bed for a few minutes of edited highlights.

Channel 4's history of the 'British' Monarchy covered the Danish-German/Anglo-Saxon royals, the Norman French and Welsh Tudor dynasties but 800 years of the forebears of our current royal family is ignored, that is up until the Stuarts were given the English Crown.
Satelite and Cable Channels still it appears haven't gotten to grips yet with the idea that Britain and England are actually different concepts.

What passes as British Broadcasting, media and current affairs is in fact English Broadcasting, media and current affairs.

One of the principle reasons folks south of the border think the Scots must hate them if they want to run their own country is simply because they rely on the Daily Mail and Telegraph's sensationalist views and 'and finally' articles on the popular 'British' media, and as such haven't the faintest idea what motivates us in these minority 'Celtic' fringes surrounding Mother England.


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livilion,

livingston 26/10/2008 02:52:41
#110 The_Reiver #112etc Vote Lost deposits

What's grey and wrinkly has a long nose and big ears?
Irrelevant.
97

The Tin Man,

26/10/2008 07:41:50
#109 Steve

"The SNP have made it possible for more people to receive homecare free, while only those who are able to pay will be paying."

So why do the SNP want us to pay for rich kid's school meals, out of interest?
98

The Tin Man,

26/10/2008 07:47:18
#109 Steve

The previous lot kept saying that they had given Scotland free care for the elderly, did they not?

Makes me wonder what free stuff the current lot will claim they implemented (free, after you pay 11 quid per hour?).
99

Gedguy2,

London 26/10/2008 10:21:14
# 115 livilion
Just to point out to you that the 'Stuarts' ancestors were of Norman extract just like the Bruces. The Stuarts are descended from a guy called 'Fitzflaad' who were in no way Celtic in any way shape or form. If you care to look at the history of Europe you will find that all of the surviving and non-surviving royal families of Europe (and I include the Russian Tsars) are of Nordic extract.
Just incase you think that I am English, I am not. I am a Scot living in England but I have always been an SNP supporter.
100

donald,

glasgow 27/10/2008 08:30:27
Did he pay for his cherry cake, or put money in the Honesty tin?
101

Truth Teller www.oilofscotland.org,

http://www.oilofscotland.org 31/10/2008 00:50:58
"Mr Brown ducked the chance of discussing the SNP's plans for a local income tax."

Is that because the policy of introducing a tax that will help the man in the street and not the Lords, Bankers and Super rich is making Labour Jealous.

After all most of us Scot's will benefit from the SNP's local income tax.

Will the local income tax cost you more money than the unfair council tax. Remember this fair local income tax will take 85,000 Scot's out of poverty.

Family Salary = £10,000 = £300
Family Salary = £15,000 = £450
Family Salary = £20,000 = £600
Family Salary = £30,000 = £900
Family Salary = £40,000 = £1200
Family Salary = £50,000 = £1500
Family Salary = £60,000 = £1800
Family Salary = £70,000 = £2100
Family Salary = £80,000 = £2400
Family Salary = £90,000 = £2700
Family Salary = £100,000 = £3000
Family Salary = £150,000 = £4500

visit www. oilofscotland.org for more facts and figures as well as secrets and scandals

 

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