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Published Date: 28 October 2008
MORE countries may be forced to seek unprecedented help from the International Monetary Fund, experts warned last night, after another day of turmoil on world markets.
Hungary has followed Iceland and Ukraine in securing funding from the IMF to prevent complete financial meltdown. Pakistan and Belarus are in talks with the IMF, while glaring holes in a number of other countries' economies have led to predictions that more begging bowls may soon come out.

Experts told The Scotsman countries such as Ireland, which has guaranteed all its bank deposits, could find themselves in need of international help.

Government bail-outs of financial institutions have become almost commonplace – and now countries themselves are having to be saved.

The latest IMF guarantees came on a day of extreme volatility on world stock markets, with billions wiped off shares in leading firms and the pound sinking to a five-year low against the dollar.

In a bid to soothe the chaos, the G7 nations issued a statement pledging co-operation in the crisis. Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan and the United States reaffirmed their "shared interest in a strong and stable international financial system".

At the same time, they voiced concern about "excessive volatility" in the value of the Japanese yen, which on Friday hit a 13-year high against the dollar.

The yo-yoing world currencies make trading sluggish, as it is impossible to ascertain how much deals are worth.

"There's lots of volatility, not just in the equity market, but in the interest rate and currency markets too," Neil Parker, market strategist at Royal Bank of Scotland, said. "We're going to get further big swings as the markets watch for what the authorities are going to do."

On Friday, the IMF bailed out Iceland – whose swift collapse has devastated UK pension funds and investments – to the tune of £1.34 billion. Yesterday, however, Geir Haarde, its prime minister, said Iceland needed double that again.

He spoke as the fund agreed to lend to Hungary and Ukraine.

It is to offer a £10.4 billion loan to Ukraine and has agreed an as-yet undisclosed package with Hungary. David Hauner, an analyst at Bank of America, said it would probably receive about $12.5 billion (£8 billion).

Eastern Europe has suffered greatly from the global financial crisis as foreign investors who were once bullish about the region's prospects of strong economic growth and deeper integration into the European Union have dumped their assets.

In particular, there is concern that countries such as Ukraine and EU members Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic states may not be able to handle their large foreign debt burdens. Standard & Poor's rating agency yesterday reduced Romania's sovereign rating to junk status.

Neil Shearing, an economist at Capital Economics, said "the most vulnerable countries in the region have yet to be hit by the crisis". He added: "Accordingly, it seems that the IMF's work has only just begun."

Professor Gabriel Talmain, director of the Centre for Economic and Financial Studies at Glasgow University, said: "Countries have taken a very big gamble when they started to guarantee the banks. If the Irish government was to be called on to honour all the guarantees that it has put up for its banks, God knows what will happen. They would be the next (to seek an IMF loan]."

The Washington-based institution has said it can provide up to £128 billion in loans to countries facing financial difficulties.

Prof Talmain said European countries were not in the habit of going to the IMF for cash and warned the fund's members would probably have to cover for loans that could not be paid back.

Meanwhile, investors endured a rollercoaster ride yesterday, as London's leading share index pulled back from five-year lows. The FTSE 100 Index plunged to its lowest point since March 2003 at one point, falling 5 per cent as a sell-off in Asian markets spooked jittery traders. Japan's Nikkei index fell 6.4 per cent to reach its lowest close since 1982, while Hong Kong's Hang Seng closed 13 per cent down.

But a better-than-expected start on Wall Street and a broad hint from the head of the European Central Bank of more interest rate cuts next week helped the top-flight claw back most of the losses.

Among the shares hit in London were those of the leading banks, which have been swinging wildly for weeks. RBS, which is preparing for a big government cash injection, fell 5.92 per cent to only 57.2p a share. And HSBC, which had been flying high above other institutions, tumbled 4.74 per cent to £6.63.

Meanwhile, HBOS and Lloyds TSB were both up marginally, while Barclays dropped slightly.

Brown's famous 'golden rule' becomes early victim of Britain's slide into recession

ALISTAIR Darling, the Chancellor, is expected to consign the government's main economic rules to history tomorrow, as a result of having to borrow vast sums to keep the country afloat during the recession.

He is expected to use a set-piece speech to indicate that the "golden rule" – imposed by Gordon Brown in 1997 to win New Labour credibility in the City – has been abandoned.

The rule prevents the Treasury from using public borrowing to fund current spending, such as wages or tax cuts, over the economic cycle. It permits borrowing only for investment in major capital projects, such as schools and hospitals.

But with UK borrowing already at £37.6 billion for the first half of this financial year, experts believe the final sum will be £64 billion – compared with Mr Darling's target of £43 billion.

Mr Brown yesterday said he was prepared to allow borrowing to rise as it was the "responsible" thing to do.

The second rule he introduced as Chancellor, the sustainable investment rule, has also been broken. This requires national debt to be kept below 40 per cent of the value of the economy over the economic cycle, but the Office for National Statistics said last week it was already at 43.4 per cent.

Mr Brown, in a speech in London, departed from a prepared script that said a "temporary increase in borrowing is the right thing to do to support the economy at this time". Instead, it was only when he was answering questions from the audience, that he mentioned "borrowing" – saying that amounts would come down when the economy picked up and tax revenues increased.

Meanwhile, incapacity benefit was scrapped for new claimants under a drive to get a million more people into work by 2015. People now face a 13-week check – including a 75-minute interview – to assess what tasks they can carry out. Only those with the severest conditions will receive benefits.

Q&A

What is the International Monetary Fund?


It is an organisation of 185 member countries that was established to promote monetary co-operation, foster economic growth and high levels of employment, and provide temporary financial assistance to countries.

Does it have infinite funds?

It doesn't really have much of its own resources – it has to borrow.

How does it lend money?

It has to get the approval of its board, which is made up of representatives from its 185 member states.

Where does it get the cash from?

It goes to the wholesale money markets, like any individual government or institution.

Are there any risks to its member states?

With these large sums it is now lending – potentially. Professor Gabriel Talmain, director of the centre for economic and financial studies at Glasgow University, said: "If it starts to borrow really large amounts of money, there would be the question of how much the other member countries behind the IMF will pay as a last resort."

He said the current loans were "staggering" and there was only a finite amount of funds available.

What is the advantage of going to the IMF for funds?

It's a collective institution, so one government is not relying directly on another. Such a situation would be undesirable for two reasons – it could allow for political pressure to be exerted and it would not provide as much funding.

Why are countries going to the IMF now?

Eastern Europe has run into trouble because investors believe it may not be able to cope with the foreign debt it has amassed.

What about Pakistan?

The rupee has fallen drastically against the dollar. The country is struggling to combat inflation, which is heading towards 30 per cent, and a collapsing currency. Its central bank, meanwhile, holds barely enough foreign currency to cover five weeks of imports.

Are the loans free from conditions?

Certainly not. The conditions can be quite stringent and, for the Eastern European states, they may signal the start of a new era of austerity. But it is Pakistan for which they are a real sticking point, with local analysts accusing the United States of using the IMF as a tool in its war against terror.



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  • Last Updated: 28 October 2008 12:16 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Economic indicators
 
1

Isonomia,

Lenzie 28/10/2008 00:44:37
It was excessive borrowing that got us into this mess and the idea we can borrow to get out of this mess is such idiotic nonsense from politicians to afraid to face the truth and admit they were wrong.

Over the last decade politicians have encouraged us to spend beyond our means as a massive old-labour "borrow-to-boom" voodoo economics which sooner or later has to be repaid.

The best government borrowing can achieve is to drive us deeper into debt and simply increase the time it takes to bring the real income from the real economy inline with our virtual economy created from borrowing.
2

Guga II,

Rockall 28/10/2008 01:38:56
What about the world's saviour, Maggie Broon, surely he can manage to come up with another miracle to save the world; like resigning.
3

W Smith,

Middle East 28/10/2008 02:54:20
"This is no time for a novice" says Gordon Brown.

Gordon has put a "bearded Trot" in charge to make us all feel better.

Alastair Darling was one of the many marxists in the Edinburgh Labour Party who cheered when fellow marxist Mugabe turned up to recieve his honorary degree in the '80s.

Now both Mugabe and Darling are overseeing the biggest economic meltdwown in their respective nation's history.

4

Rufus T. Firefly,

28/10/2008 06:55:47
So Ireland may need international help.

Nevsky will be devastated. That will be all his Ireland comparisons blown out the water.

So much for the Arc of Prosperity.
5

Toddy,

Macmerry 28/10/2008 07:13:23
Best way forward is for interest rate to be cut immediately to 1%. The government will also need to start borrowing more and more to fund unemployment and capital projects it has already committed itself to. That with falling tax receipts means this is a long term project. Good opportunity for Gov to increase its capital projects and sort this country out. Keeps people in work who pay tax rather than benefits and if rates are that low hell of a lot cheaper than PFI.
6

Pocket Dictionary,

28/10/2008 07:18:55
The irony is, the only country oblivious to this global melt-down and not affected by it, is Zimbabwe! A "market leader" the rest of the world is determined to catch up with!
7

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/10/2008 07:26:45
Hold on didnt Gordon Brown no save the world the other week? wasnt Gordon Brown no hailed the hero of the hour by showing the world how to deal with the crises?
surely that wasnt all a lie??? how is that even possible?
8

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/10/2008 07:28:20
5

As will the large nations of Pakistan and Hungary.
With more to follow including the UK.
But not Norway I notice.
9

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28/10/2008 07:30:12
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Dave,

Western Isles 28/10/2008 07:32:30
Well it looks like the UK is no better or no worse than any other country just now.

Therefore, the "Independence" argument doesn't come into it as everybody is having to borrow anyway.

To be honest, Broon is trying smokes and mirrors but it's not working. He's changing the goal posts, changing rules and interfering with laws and legislation to get his own way.

Whether Scotland goes for independence or not is irelevant as we are being lumbered with debt anyway.
11

suchaparcelofrogues,

Scotland 28/10/2008 07:39:00
14

Thats like saying the USA should never have fought a war on independence because they would end up broke at the end of the war.
12

Dave,

Western Isles 28/10/2008 07:45:28
16

Yes. Really.
13

Dave,

Western Isles 28/10/2008 07:47:51
15

Actually, what? That's a silly statement. Whether we are indepedent or not, we would still have to borrow. End of. The question of independence is irelevant and therefore it makes no odds whether we achive it or not.

So, go for it, we would have nothing to lsoe as we would still be lumbered with debt along with every other nation in the world. It's whether we could pay it back and with our abundant natural resources, dwindling population, we probably could.
14

TWC,

Ayrshire 28/10/2008 07:58:02
Worse to come for all the wee people of Scotland, the plumetting pound means imports will be more expensive, Our exports will be cheaper, but we don't export as much and nobody will be buying.
Nice to hear the Smaller Parties on the radio this morning telling us their policies for Scotland while Labour only have Scare politics to offer.
15

Louis Catorze,

28/10/2008 08:19:58
"...the pound sinking to a five-year low against the dollar...."

Which presumably means that the dollar is at a 5 year high. How did that work out then...?
16

Dave,

Western Isles 28/10/2008 08:28:47
Yup then when it's a 1:1 with the Euro (and we meet the economic criteria) when will then join the EU in it's entirety and lose all vestiages of UK/British/Scottish/Welsh/NIrish idendity.

Seems a plan Brown is happy to follow. But then again, so am I as we would no longer need to be part of the UK, just part of the EU.
17

Rambo.the.Jambo,

Edinburgh 28/10/2008 08:32:11
Were all doomed...............

This is the 70s all over again when UK was bankrupt and had to go cap in hand to the IMF, followed by a recession. Lasted into the early 80s, followed by minor prosperity, then recession 80s/early 90s, followed by prosperity......ad infinitum.

In 5 years this will be nothing more than history.

Relax.

As for helping out Pakistan, forget it, what have they ever done for the West??
18

Jeeemy,

St Andrews 28/10/2008 08:32:45
The house of cards is collapsing around about us, and as is usual in these cases the greedy amongst us are the one’s who shout the loudest.
19

Scars,

hamilton 28/10/2008 08:33:04
if you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you always got !

Time for a change; not just a change to another pile of egocentric people mascarading as politico's, but a fundamental change in the practice of civilisation.

Through all this dialogue, its often clouded into seeming like a force of nature, an elemental impact that we must face the impact of. The media, the whole sycophantic lot of them, paint a picture that is as wrong as can be... lies, damned lies and statistics I say !

The world is a finite resource; the concept of a perpetual get rich mechanism is snake oil for those that can exploit others in order to achieve their goal at everyone else's expense! Look at the previous incumbent ? where is he now? A few multimillion pound homes, a global junket, speech after speech about hee haw, lining his pockets and living the high life ... very proletarian ... I don't think ...

Being a leader is not a career path, it is not a gravy train. It is a responsibility to the welfare of your nation, and in this modern era, the days of isolation are not only ludicrous, they are extreme and selfish to the core, the reasons wars are fought ! Globalisation is not a bad thing, its just worded to have that big brother fear laced behind it… Global corporations are a bad thing !!!! Global welfare is truly a good thing….

There is more than enough to go round, there is more than enough technology, resource, people, to build a reciprocating ecosystem on this planet, where the welfare of the species, the environment, of humanity, can all coexist without any of this nonsense.
Its all about keeping people looking the wrong way, none of this is insurmountable, its just that this is not their priority, its about having the common man corralled back into a new dogma of how we have to rebuild their fallen empires !

The whole thing is just one big corrupt lie.
20

Rambo.the.Jambo,

Edinburgh 28/10/2008 08:35:38
# 21 Louis Catorze,

Barely 10 years ago there was mass hysteria and panic because the pound almost attained parity i.e., £1 worth $1. Nothing happened. Eventually climbed to $2, now falling back. What's all the fuss about?

All this panic leads to more panic etc.
21

Homo Sapiens,

Elstree 28/10/2008 08:36:28
How ironic that Labour the party which sold us "social justice" will try to cover the mismanagement of the economy by clawing back the meager sum they are paying to incapacity benefit recipients. It is indeed a good thing to remove the scroungers, and false claimers, but the question is why has this not been done over the past 12 years since labour came into power? Whya has Gordon Brown not insisted that the false incapacity benefit claimers will be denied their benefits? The answer is: Because Brown put them in the incapacity benfits rolls, removing them from the DOLE and Jobseekers allowance rolls, trying to tell everybody that the UK has low unemployment. In effect hiding the high rate of chronic unemployment in the UK, by declaring those refusing to even go out and seek employment as "chronically ill" instead of denigrating them as being chronically lazy, or unemployable due to lack of skills. Instead of paying out incapacity benefits the government should have spent the money (it is now hoping to save) over the past 10 years in massive retraining and skills building programs.

What is Gordon Brown hoping to save now by pushing incapacity benefits recipients into a non-existing and shrinking labour market?
22

Marian,

28/10/2008 09:14:39
The UK is already in recession - it has been for months but New Labour and their media acolytes couldn't bring themselves to admit it. The only reason the UK has not gone bust yet, is that Gordon Brown has been printing new money like there is going to be no tomorrow. The printing of new money is a last desperate attempt by Brown to shore up his own position and that of his New Labour led UK government before it disappears down the plug-hole of history.
23

carrottop,

Dumfries 28/10/2008 09:30:11
Maybe England could buy another country on the cheap to help solve their overpopulation problem instead of Scotland taking all the stress.
24

Alan B,

28/10/2008 09:49:17
Brown has been an economic disaster for Britain.

We need a fresh pair of hands to clean up his mess.
25

Alan B,

28/10/2008 09:53:25
#28

Yes using incapacity to cover up unemployment and now retrying to push people off incapacity at a time of major recession shows how messed up Brown is.
26

Alan B,

28/10/2008 10:25:44
#bring them on,

Yes it is much better for scotland to keep on failing within the union than actually trying to succeed.

No wonder scotland is in a mess with so many people like you that lack basic ambition.
27

Scotish Exile,

28/10/2008 10:37:00
£128 billion in loans won't even scratch the surface, trillions will be needed before this mess is sorted out, meanwhile the culrits are getting away with it.
28

AJ Fife,

28/10/2008 10:38:12
There must be a few old commies laughing their socks off in places like Hungary, Ukraine and Poland! I suspect they see the emergence of China and the baling out of the West's economy as proof of Marx's brilliance!
29

TWC,

Ayrshire 28/10/2008 10:52:53
38 bring them on.

Go on give us some New Labour policies to benefit Scotland, all they can do is scare and attack like their posters never a positive comment or proposal.
That's why even the pro Union voters won't vote for them
30

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TWC,

Ayrshire 28/10/2008 11:16:05
43 bring them on.
Naw that guff about the economy -- that will happen and brown's de regulation will just make it worse.

What about all the other l policies you know to make sure we redistribute wealth, pensions,Council tax, Scotland's funding all the infrastructure thing developed in France, Germany, holland etc, they were completely flattened when I was a boy now they have surpassed Scotland in every sphere.
I don't want another wasted 50 years.
Give us some socialist policies.
33

Alan B,

28/10/2008 11:16:23
#43 bring them on

Interesting that you could not name labour policies that would benefit scotland when challenged to do so by poster #TWC.

All you could was come out with your anti Salmond rubbish.

Remember the british economy is largely in this mess because of labour.

Labour failed in basic economic management.

It failed to control house price inflation. Anyone with a clue about economic will tell you controlling inflation is central to good economic managment.

It failed to control personal credit largely due to uncontrolled house price inflation. But also due to economic policies that unlike the european central banks do not target the growth in credit. ie monetarism if you want to understand the economic philosophy.

Labour also ran up huge public sector deficits in the good times breaking its own golden run not to borrow over the economic cycle. And has been warned about his since 2004.

And finally Brown brought in a new financial regualatory regime ie FSA and that failed spectacularly with our banks going to the wall. Suggest you see the sunday heralds report about how Nothern Rock held its mortgages offshore to avoid capital reguirements etc.

"Spending the way out of the recession (sensibly) will work."

Yes and that is why good economic management means you do not run up big defcitis in the good years. The problem with spending our way out of a recession now is that deficits are already meant be going up to around £100billion.

Debt levels including pfi which is off balance sheet debt and unfunded public sector pension is now reportedly above 100% of gdp.

34

wayne bijlyeerheid,

28/10/2008 11:21:43
Is this the only sort of story we can now comment on?
No one wants our opinion on the license fee subsidised morons Brand and Ross? Not as if our opinion mattered as the talentless two would never have been employed by the BBC in the first place if it did.
The letters are mostly closed for remarks.
All the fitba' threads seem to have gone, not just the OF ones. Without that we'll have to see how long the anti-Protestant poster aj fife can carry on, on a thread like this, without spouting his bigotry.
35

TWC,

Ayrshire 28/10/2008 11:22:47
bring them on,

You didn't answer me yet we must havd started from the same beginnings
36

AJ Fife,

28/10/2008 11:26:22
#49,

And what did you think of the Rangersesque crowd attrocities in Sunderland at the weekend?
37

AJ Fife,

28/10/2008 11:35:46
#53,

Too late, I just did!!
38

Alan B,

28/10/2008 11:36:48
#48 bring them on

Browns record controlling consumer inflation is good as he brought in the excellent policy; making the BOE independent. Browns economic policies in general were good for the first couple of year. After that is went all to pot.

The inflation failure i was talking about which you have ignored is house price inflation. As you will be aware Brown changed the inflation target of the uk to use cpi inflation and that does not include housing.

It was the failure to control house price inflation that underpins much of the economic problems we have (the US have a similar mess as do Ireland).

The huge house price inflation has lead to property being overvalued and paid for by huge levels of debt. It was interesting that the German ambassator was so critical of what he said anglo saxon economic policy which was built on debt where mortgages can be up to 130% rather than the german 60%.

While i am very supportive of the change brown made to control inflation via the independent BOE if i had a critism it would be that for 90% of the time cpi inflation was above the central target rate. So when the recent global inflation surge happened we were bounced to an inflation rate of over 4% and now about 5%. If we had started from the central rate of 2% we would have been in a better position.

The other point you seem to have ignored that i raised is the european central banks still take a monetary approach controlling inflation by controlling the money supply ie the growth of credit. We have completely failed to control the growth of credit in the uk and that is why we are so badly exposed now.
39

TWC,

28/10/2008 11:45:16
Brying em on said

TWC

Alan B will post himself out of "oat meal"

I suggest you "bide your time"

I've been biding my time I've asked you this days ago and you always go to attack other posts.

I makes you appear like MNew Labour plants - Policies come on
40

John south of Soutra,

28/10/2008 12:13:58
Bring Them On said - Alan B

What is "ambition".

Please do feel free to enlighten the rest of us who perhaps only know about working hard and trying to get by (and no apologies for doing so)

Given that you spend all your time logged into the Scotsman and make comments on just about every subject, I'd be interested to know when actually do any work and what you work at - or is this your fulltime job
41

AJ Fife,

28/10/2008 12:15:58
'I don't think he is the type for a panic'

Brown isn't Big Gordon's surname.....it's the colour of his Y fronts! His facial tic gets worse by the day and he's now almost completely grey! The man is falling apart at the seams and the crafty Blair is p*shing himself laughing!

Broon has been stitched up good and proper, and is drowning in a sea of his ain keech!
42

Arfur,

28/10/2008 12:43:09
Why do folk keep responding to that halfwit bring it on?

Hes either:

(1) A five year old boy who thinks he sounds grown up
(2) A village idiots thicker younger brother
or (3) here on a wind up

Just scroll past his drivel, thats what most folk do.
43

Here Today HBOS Tomorrow,

28/10/2008 15:40:19
As many have said excessive borrowing got us into this problem, and its private equity and not just mortgages that are the blame. However borrowing is currently about 10% of the problem. For example the true speculators have in fact gambled around 52trn USD on derivatives, which are often based on credit, the on derivatives based on credit and then derivatives on those derivatives, etc. etc. This is one of the main problems right now... Keep in mind that that figure is 10 times the total GDP of the entire planet!
44

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 28/10/2008 15:46:03
I'm surprised they're not all queuing up to join the UK since we have the Genius of Fife 'doing his utmost' to ruin us, and the Darling of Edinburgh cheerleading, what an attractive prospect.
When the UK went to the IMF in the 1970s did it mean that the UK wasn't going to be independent anymore and would have to apply to join Switzerland?
45

Wee Fifer,

Edinburgh 28/10/2008 15:51:22
64:
I, like many others, would be glad to hear more about these issues. Could you post a guide to this? It does get quite complicated, and I enjoy learning as well as sounding off!
46

Class On Grass,

Kicking Bankers 28/10/2008 17:21:35
Scars #26
I'm with you - money is outdated, and we should collectively look to the future in a positive way.
The problem in a global revamp is we would need the yanks. Most of the rest just need to extend their
communist ideal to see beyond the gaining of power for the privileged.
True utopia. Work at what you want. Stop oil extraction and look to the sustainables.
Research only renewables. We don't need bankers.
No retained power for individuals.
New government committee each month, a jury. Hand round the talking pole. Who needs cash?

Count me in to the New Order. No more black Fridays or blue Mondays.
47

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 28/10/2008 17:34:50
The late Dr Edward Hamlyn of the British Association for Monetary Reform has written a good online introduction to money, how it is created, and the dire consequencies of giving this monopoly to private bankers.
48

Martyk,

28/10/2008 18:35:19
Cant find any references anywhere to Ireland needing IMF help or any references to them maybe needing help at all. Is this some sort of tangenital anti-SNP nonsense?
49

Traquir , Alba,

28/10/2008 19:32:21
'Mr Brown yesterday said he was prepared to allow borrowing to rise as it was the "responsible" thing to do.'

Was it not borrowing excessively
that caused all of this problem
in the first place ? Looks like super hero
Brown just does not get it.
The Arc of Irresponsibility
that is London/Westminster/Labour appears to
be racing towards the cliff like a pack
of rabid lemmings.

50

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 28/10/2008 20:19:45
Currently any hint of alarm at the existence of a National debt of over 13 trillion pounds, which is rapidly rising, is dismissed as rubbish “conspiracy theory again!”
51

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52

mcbogtrotter,

mccalifornia 28/10/2008 20:53:11
The pound and the dollar is great I hope it keeps going if it evens up I'll be ordering some Paddy from Northern Ireland. With the exchange rate what it was I was paying 143.00us for two bottles of Paddy that cost 23.00us in Ireland, the shipping was rough at 47pounds. Pakistan should not be having it too rough the US has been giving them 10 billion a year for some time, Zimbabwe their fine the foreign aid never got to the people anyway so they dont know the difference.
The US gives out 40 billion a year in foreign aid, so I sure there are many government types around the world doing swell.
The people I feel sorry for are the German's with things the way they are in the US we will have to cut back on the number of BMW's and Mercedes we were buying.
Since we will be sittin at home more or at the Pub we need to strike up a deal for a larger supply of good scotch in the US, is there any out there that the French dont own the rights to Perno has been buying up all the Whiskey distiller's.
53

drunken proffet,

Tassy 28/10/2008 23:20:09
Two things to look forward too over the years, repaying the cash used to bail out the EEC and building levies to protect London from rising sea levels.
54

Rab R,

Australia 29/10/2008 04:28:45
Of course, this would all be all right if President Salmond were in charge of the economy. Aye, right!

 

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