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Published Date: 10 July 2009
THEY were supposed to be the new stars at one of Edinburgh's most popular visitor attractions.
But the campaign to bring two giant pandas to Scotland from China took a new twist yesterday when it emerged they could end up in Glasgow.

The Royal Zoological Society of Scotland (RZSS) revealed it is considering building a brand new home for them in the heart of a major regeneration area in Glasgow's East End after running into major problems trying to revamp the historic Edinburgh Zoo site in the capital.

Derelict land due to be transformed in time for Glasgow's Commonwealth Games has been earmarked for a possible new "satellite" enclosure by the RZSS if officials are forced to drastically scale back plans to overhaul the historic site.

The society has confirmed it is looking at an alternative home at the Clyde Gateway development for the pandas amid fears it will be unable to afford a £70 million revamp of its 100-year-old home in Edinburgh.

It says it is being forced to look for an alternative home for the pandas – which are at the centre of a multi-million-pound campaign spearheaded by the society – as the current site will be unsuitable for them and the huge influx of extra visitors they are expected to attract.

Privately, officials hope that Glasgow City Council will offer financial support if the pandas are offered a home in the west.

The Scotsman revealed yesterday how plans to sell off around a sixth of the site at Corstorphine Hill for 120 homes had been thrown out after a public inquiry. It is thought housing will be banned completely from the most lucrative part of the site.

Officials admitted yesterday it was "almost inevitable" that the zoo would have to "shrink" as a result of the decision unless significant funding could be secured from the city council or the Scottish Government.

Although the zoo will be able to sell off part of its land, it is only expected to be able to generate a fraction of the £20m it was hoping for.

A major element of a 20-year masterplan, which has already seen Europe's biggest chimp enclosure created on the site, would have been the creation of a dedicated panda enclosure, visitor centre and research base.

However, David Windmill, chief executive of the RZSS, said the whole redevelopment of the zoo was now "left in limbo", as the society had no idea how many homes the council would allow to be built on the society's land or how much the land sale could generate.

He said uncertainties over the future of the zoo could themselves damage the bid to bring the pandas to Scotland, a campaign already backed by Alex Salmond and Gordon Brown.

Mr Windmill said: "Our long-term masterplan would see the zoo become a truly world-class facility.

"If we are to bring the pandas to the zoo, it is obvious we will need first-class facilities for them and also for the huge numbers of extra visitors they will attract.

"It's no secret that we are looking at creating a new facility in Glasgow and it is possible the pandas could end up there."

However, Tom Buchanan, Edinburgh City Council's tourism and economy leader, said: "It doesn't sound very realistic to me that the zoo would look at building a whole new facility for these pandas in Glasgow."

George Ryan, Glasgow's economic development leader, said: "We have been in regular contact with the society about the possibility of a facility being developed in Glasgow. While discussions have not specifically mentioned the possibility of pandas being located in the city, we would welcome any proposal that has a strong emphasis on conservation and education."

BACKGROUND OF CAPITAL'S £4M DEAL

EDINBURGH Zoo had been hoping to celebrate the arrival of two pandas at the attraction as early as next year.

The Scotsman revealed last May how senior officials at the RZSS were in advanced talks with the authorities in China over taking two of the iconic creatures to Edinburgh to breed.

The attraction would be the first in the UK to keep the animals since London Zoo returned its panda to China 14 years ago.

A £4 million deal, backed by the UK and Scottish governments, has been agreed in principle to clinch the ten-year loan of the pandas. First Minister Alex Salmond helped promote the bid on an official visit to China earlier this year.

If successful, the zoo would be expected to offer a package of financial aid and scientific expertise to support conservation programmes. The giant panda is among the most endangered species in the world. Only about 1,800 remain in the wild.


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  • Last Updated: 09 July 2009 9:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Glasgow Zoo , Edinburgh Zoo
 
1

EPS,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 00:24:29
Superb headline!
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 00:46:17

'Hoy There!',...Javier Bardem" @#1.

Are you trying to say something about my car?
It may not 'Eat_shoots_and_leaves', but I will have you Know, it is dam-well Economical, and will not fumigate the air, as does those that feed on,...
....'shoot_and_leaves'
:))



3

Wangi,

Portobello 10/07/2009 00:52:32
On they go. Hope they don't forget they're running a zoo, not a property deveopment company (a la Forth Ports). In anycase they'd get a pittance of what they were expecting given the current climate.

If their long term plans at Edinburgh stack up then they should be able to fund them on a loan secured on future gate receipts.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 01:04:21

I wonder if anyone has ever 'house-trained' a Panda?, and what it would be like to have one in your Home.

5

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 01:06:41

What would the Postman say?, never mind the Scotsman!




6

BROONISDOOMED,

PITS OF HELL 10/07/2009 04:26:03
wonder if this is emmotional blackmail,the zoo got a knock back from CEC?,gov trying to get votes in the comming by election in glasgow?
Edinburgh cant even put on a decent rock show,as the playhouse has turned into a coffin dodgers grotto,with all its musicals,glasgow hosts big rock events and is building another venue,whilst we in edinburgh get all our cash wasted on the bloody trams
glasgow,if it does get the pandas,will then get an increase of visitors to see them,thus edinburgh will lose the cash generated,so thank you Edinburgh Zoo for putting in the boot to your own city
maybe Edinburgh folk should maybe start not bothering visiting again,as our cash given to the zoo now appears to be ,being used to glasgows advantage
7

donald,

glasgow 10/07/2009 06:27:30
No. No. The bears should go to Ibrox, not the East End.
8

rpb,

10/07/2009 06:33:45
..and once the zoo's gone and there's a big derelict sit on corstorphine hill...it will turn into a housing site.

edinburgh council must be the most incompetent in scotland. is it true none of them passed a single Higher at scholl?
9

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 10/07/2009 06:41:24
#7 BROONISDOOMED

You are absolutely correct in your assumption that the RZSS are blackmailing Edinburgh council.
They were hoping to re-develop the site (including housing) but I think you'll find that it was the council planners that put the boot into the RZSS when they knocked back their proposals !
Your last statement about Endinburgh folk's cash being used to Glasgow's advantage is also a load of b0ll0cks !
The vast amjority of visitors to Edinburgh Zoo don't actually come from Edinburgh and if you actually read the report above you will see that the RZSS are hoping that Glasgow City Coucil will "offer financial support" if an enclosure for the panda's is to be built in Glasgow.

As for #1's comments. Typical arrogance from an "Eastie Beastie" who is still under the assumption that because Edinburgh has a castle it is superior to every other Scottish city.
I'm sure deep down they know this isn't true and that is why they have to resort to petty name calling !
10

MacKenzie,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 07:20:45
This is now the second time that the zoo have had a planning knock back for housing on the Corstorphine Hill. Previously it was a land swap deal with David Murray and they were to get a new home at Hermiston in exchange for "luxury homes" being built at their present site. Maybe now they'll get the message.

Part of the David Windmills argument seems to be that if they sell some land for cash, they'll need to borrow some more land from the Corstorphine Woods. However there are large parts of their own 82 acre site which are currently unused.

The financial plan also seems to be poorly though through. This is apparently a 20 year redevelopment programme, and they are £20m short on a planned total spend of £72m. If they can't manage to find an extra £1m a year which works out at fewer than 200 paying adults a day they might as well close up shop now.

If previous Zoo directors hadn't been similarly short sighted a number of years ago when land from the then car park was sold off for the building of the Post House Hotel then these extra visitors would also have had somewhere to park.

11

Ham Mei Si,

Hong Kong 10/07/2009 07:51:11
I tell ye, these Glass-wegians are gettin' daft!
They clearly hivnae heer't that Pandas' only eat bamboo!
Where ur they going to get all the bamboo tae feed them.
They'll hiv tae regularly fly it in fresh fae China!
Cost of keeping two Panda's living and being fed in Glasgow is going to be colossal!
When find out how much it is going to cost! Ye will a' fa' o'er!
12

paulr,

edinburgh 10/07/2009 07:55:22
Pandas, who needs Pandas when we will have a world class tram system which will attract millions of visitors and generate loads of revenue for the city.
13

paulr,

edinburgh 10/07/2009 08:01:47
Edinburgh has a long and proud history of electing drunks and incompetent fools to serve on the council.
The current batch are no different.
But i do love it when foreigners from azerbijan and honkong claim to know more about scotland and ediburgh in particular than local folk.
Some of these commenters (#12) really should learn to speak and write english though.
14

MacKenzie,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 08:03:17
# 13

It's a fair hike from the Balgreen tram stop to the zoo.
You'd be better getting a No 26 bus right to the door.
15

Lesley McDade,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 08:12:42
Its a good idea, but so is this one:

Mercedes the Polar Bear is due to move to the Highlands,somewhere near Inverness. Inverness is also the Millenium City for Scotland - why not create a BEAR ZOO - of all the bears in Scotland!!! Land is also likely to be cheaper and more open/sprawling in the Highlands - a much nicer lifestyle than any area available in Edinburgh Zoo or Glasgow - folks that have visited Edinburgh Zoo for the last 25 years know that Mercedes enclosure was not exactly large for a species that traditional roams the Greenland/Alaskian tundra!!! Inverness would be more suitable.
16

Lesley McDade,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 08:22:17
If you created a bear zoo - then folks could go for Teddy Bear picnics!! Jam sandwiches and ribena on a t-towel anyone.

I do this with the wee folks in my family from time to time - we put a teddy in our pockets (I have weeny teddys for this day out) or yellow dinosaurs called "Fred", Chicken Little, George from Rainbow, and a pink poodle called Fifi.

Oh the commercialisation !!!
17

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 10/07/2009 08:23:08
#14 paulr

Your comments make me laugh. Just because I am working in Azerbaijan doesn't make me a "foreigner" and for your information I probably DO know more about Scotland and Edinburgh than most of the "local folk"

Oh, and by the way, if you're going to slag folk off about their English grammar then I suggest you do a bit of swatting up on it yourself.... "azerbijan" is spelt with a capital "A" and is PROPERLY spelt as "Azerbaijan"
18

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 10/07/2009 08:29:12
#16 & 17 Lesley

There used to be a bear park in Scotland.
It was originally called "The Cameron Loch Lomond Wildlife and Leisure Park " but changed it's name to the "Loch Lomond Bear Park".

I think it shut down in the early 80's due to lack of visitors !!
19

Alasdair,

10/07/2009 08:29:23
Expect many more of these scare-story tactics as time goes on. The Zoo wants free reign to make a pile of cash by having houses built on one of our few peices of precious semi-wild open space!
Now that they've been told, quite rightly, that this isn't on, they'll court other councils and get the Hootsmon to stir the pot.

As I said yesterday, after Arthur's Seat/the Crags, and Blackford Hill, Corstorphine Hill is the best piece of land of this sort that we have. There are so few urban habitats for our now-rare hedgerow animals, and they want too destroy one? So they have more cash to spend on dragging some pandas halfway round the world?

Shocking.
20

John JP,

10/07/2009 08:29:56
The Panda's probably wouldn't like all that shortbread and tartan in Edinburgh anyway, Glasgow would be a good home for them. They certainly would make sure they were well fed,can you imagine them arriving in Edinburgh and some punter saying ' So you'll have had you tea then'
21

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 10/07/2009 09:07:21
this is great news for Glasgow.
22

Sgian Dubh,

10/07/2009 09:24:25
This would be fantastic news for Glasgow, and being a Glaswegian myself, I would make every effort to visit these wanderful creatures if they were in Glasgow.
As for it's diet, while primarily herbivorous, the Giant Panda still retains decidedly ursine teeth, and will eat meat, fish, and eggs when available. In captivity, zoos typically maintain the Giant Panda's bamboo diet, though some will provide specially formulated biscuits or other dietary supplements. The giant panda is effectively a carnivore which is why it has to eat so much bamboo to survive. If only they weren't so lazy, they could rediscover the taste for meat caught in the wild and not be so reliant on dwindling stocks of bamboo.
23

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

10/07/2009 10:01:08
This site?...are you talking the site of the old abbatoir that was earmarked for the commonwealth games?...ah yes right in the heart of nedland..got an elderly aunt that lives across from it...nightmare...prostitution..drug abuse...drunken neds fighting...right on the path of choice for Glasgow's shame the 'Orange walk'...choked with traffic when there is a celtic game on..choked with drunken neds when there is a celtic game on...not to mention the buildings in the area are filthy bogging thanks to traffic pollution...

Pandas right in the heart of Nedland....gawd its sick....you think they belong in Glasgow surrounded by gawping human beings?...I'm currently walking dogs for a refuge..one of them has just died...reduced to a skeleton with skinless paws...thanks to turning in circles in its cage constantly....thats what cages do to animals.....
24

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10/07/2009 11:09:58
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Observer,,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 12:59:35
I don't think they are serious about this, they are playing brinksmanship with Edinburgh. But if they come to Glasgow they've got the location all wrong - they should build a facility in Pollok Park. Between that, the Burrel, and the park itself you would have a top class attraction for Glaswegians and visitors alike.
26

Southsider71,

Newlands, Glasgow 10/07/2009 14:02:53
Somewhere like Pollok park would be great for a new zoo...anyway it will never happen. It would also be nice if GCC remembered that other parts of the city maybe suitable for a new zoo, instead of pouring the tax payers money into the bottomless pit that is the east end...
27

Southsider71,

Newlands, Glasgow 10/07/2009 14:04:43
#29, you have never been in Pollok Park, have you ? lol
28

Southsider71,

Newlands, Glasgow 10/07/2009 14:19:18
#32 Your answer says it all LOL
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Rod the Mod,

Edinburgh 10/07/2009 14:45:41
I'm rather fond of baby panda, especially when poached in its mother's milk.
31

Yonthing!,

10/07/2009 15:12:00
Panda's in Glasgow. Gimme a break!

http://www.grumblingtummy.com/archives/2008/08/02/sectarian-pandas/
32

John JP,

10/07/2009 15:52:13
#27 Aye fur coats and no knickers m8. You left yourself wide open their m8 lol
33

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

10/07/2009 17:33:29
36..So which wan o' the commie trolls are ye then?..Mashedmarrow...Skidmark or Deekheid?
34

Observer,,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 19:36:15
33 Aw poor little diddums is afwaid of the big bad weegies.

What a bufoon you are, there were more than 200,000 visitors to the Burrel last year.

Grow up.
35

Observer,,

Glasgow 10/07/2009 19:39:01
Glasgow's cultural exhibits attract more visitors than Edinburgh's BTW. Maybe it wouldn't be fair for us to get the pandas too.
36

MattyMat,

So Cal 10/07/2009 22:29:56
Don't Ling-Ling, Chink-Ding, Fling-Fling and the others have a say in this??? Seems they'll be freezing their tiny little chinese b*lls off!!!

How do you say "A spot a rum would be nice" in chinese?
37

John1,

Stirling 11/07/2009 23:31:17
12 Ham Mei
25 Sgian Dubh
I've got bamboo growing in my garden. My wife claims it spreads and will take over if I don't cut it back. Could I be in line for a nice little earner here?
Why not compronmise and send the pandas to Stirling? We have a local wildlife park which could find the space for them. Think of the reduced carbon footprint when shipping bamboo from my garden rather than China.

 

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