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Published Date: 24 January 2008
DES Browne yesterday rejected attempts to get Scottish banknotes designated legal tender in England.
The Liberal Democrats had appealed to the Scottish Secretary to change the law and reclassify Scottish notes, which are currently not officially legal tender anywhere in the United Kingdom.

They are accepted generally as payment but do not hav
e the legal backing that Bank of England ones enjoy.

The term legal tender is only used in contract law and provides protection in limited cases where debtors have paid debts using "legal tender".

In every other way, the legal tender of a banknote does not affect its use. But the Lib Dems say there have been instances when traders in England have refused Scottish notes, claiming they were not "legal tender" and this could not happen if the notes were given the same legal backing as Bank of England ones.

Malcolm Bruce (Gordon) said at Commons question time: "It is high time that Scottish banknotes were legally acceptable throughout the UK."

He told Mr Browne: "If dollars and euros are acceptable to traders, surely Scottish notes should be.

"Will you endeavour to make sure this position is brought to an end?"

The Scottish Secretary replied: "The law is that Scottish banknotes as a method of payment enjoy exactly the same status as all other methods of payment across the United Kingdom.

"That is not widely known but people should know that and accept that.

"I know some of my fellow countrymen have experienced on occasion the refusal of these banknotes. But I have been in London a lot over the last 11 years and because of ministerial responsibilities I have also had Northern Irish banknotes sometimes in my wallet and I have never experienced anyone refusing to accept them."

Alistair Carmichael (Lib Dem, Orkney and Shetland) told MPs that research had shown Scottish banknotes are often not accepted. It was "a source of embarrassment and irritation to many of our constituents".

Mr Browne said: "The fundamental problem here is that the law of contract across the UK allows people not to engage in a transaction at the point of payment if they don't want to.

"This irritation in the 21st century shouldn't be here. The best thing to do is to take every opportunity to tell people that these notes are as good as anybody else's."

WHAT'S LEGAL TENDER?
ALL Scottish banks have the right to print their own notes, but these notes are not officially legal tender in Scotland or England.

English banknotes of denominations less than £5 were legal tender in Scotland under the Currency and Bank Notes Act 1954. But now, with the removal of Bank of England £1 notes, only coins constitute legal tender in Scotland.

English banknotes are legal tender only in England, Wales, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. Credit cards, cheques and debit cards are not legal tender either, but it doesn't stop them being used as payment.

Legal tender has a very narrow technical meaning in relation to the settlement of debt.

In ordinary, everyday transactions, it has very little practical application.

Only a small percentage of Scottish and British trading is carried out using legal tender. Just because something is not legal tender certainly doesn't imply it is illegal to use.



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  • Last Updated: 23 January 2008 10:51 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Roger Irrelevant,

24/01/2008 00:16:14
The Lib Dems really need to grow up and stop wasting valuable time and (taxpayers') money.

The Scottish Note Issue is a quirky matter that adds to the rich tapestry of life.

Sid Yobbo kids not one jot whether or not it's legal tender. Will it buy a fix? Or a bottle of Buckie?
2

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 24/01/2008 00:42:24
.IT.SHOULD.BE.LEGAL.TENDER.ALL.OVER.THE.UK.ITS/RACIST
3

Alan B,

24/01/2008 00:43:42
#1 What planet are u on. Why do u think it is acceptable for scottish notes not to be accepted? The whole issue just leads to alot of bad feeling. Quite simply sterling should be accepted throughout the uk whether it is bank of england notes or scottish notes. it is simply incredible that u go down to london or somewhere, order something and then have to leave because the take away or something does not accept the bank notes. If a scottish shop was to refuse english notes it would quite rightly be accused of being racist. Why we have to put up with excuses for refusing scottish notes is beyond me.

It is also difficult to understand how Des Browne who is meant to be representing scottish interests is not actually standing up for an issue that causes problems for scots travelling down south. The fact he says he has never had that problem in 11 yrs is simply unbelievable.
4

Jim Baxter RIP,

Sai Kung 24/01/2008 01:00:26
Fully agree with 2 and 3. Anyone who travels to England frequently knows the problems of tendering Scots notes. Many traders can be absolutely unhelpful.
This is not waste of time but a necessity
5

Fanling,

Hong Kong 24/01/2008 01:10:42
This is an ongoing laugh or a crying shame. For years I lived in the north-east and far north-west of England where Scottish notes are accepted without question. As they should be.

Last month I exchanged £300 of them in a hotel in Budapest, Hungary. After a quizzical moment about "no queen's head on notes ... why?", I explained slowly in my hesitant Hungarian ... thereafter no problem. I routinely exchange the same Scots banknotes on the other side of the world in Hong Kong and mainland China. What is southern England's problem? Well, say no more ... that self-same Scots Defence Secretary was on the same flight south as I was a month ago. My Scots notes were exchanged without a hitch in a country newly enlisted into the EU. Our next-door southernmost neighbour, propped up by resident Scots politicians, rejects them. Poor show.

6

Birdie,

Foster City 24/01/2008 01:17:05
I am old enough to remember when English shops would charge 6p to accept a Scottish bank note.
7

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 24/01/2008 01:24:47
Crocodile tears!
8

steve green,

preston 24/01/2008 01:46:38
Always take my holidays in Scotland and return with Scottish paper money, have yet to have any problems.
9

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 24/01/2008 01:47:07
My back is laden, the pain IS unbearable!

But Hey 'Monkeys'..!!

These..'Gold-Bars'..are..'Legal-Tender' anywhere in the World!

Now give me your..'Bannanas'.!!

I got the Gold!

(Sorry I thought it was the..'Muppet-Show'!) :-D

For...'Gods Sake UK'.. get a 'Grip'!

'Monkey Grip',,on a Tree.!
10

Edward,

24/01/2008 01:57:22
Des Browne and David Cairns were a pair of arrogant smug idiots as they took Scottish Questions
The topics were the demise of Border TV news, Scottish Banknotes and the closure of rural post offices
But they just had to get a dig at the Scottish Government at every opportunity. at some points it became embaressing as the realisation that the pair of them were irrelvant to Scotland!. At one point during the discussion on post office closures, Cairns remarked that (after prompting from a Lib Dem)the SNP governments national conversation had only received a handful of replies in the post and quipped that it reflected that Scots were not interested in the National conversation. Ignoring the fact that the National Conversation is more based online and that it has involved 10's of thousands of people taking part. David Cairns and Des Browne, yesterdays mens living in a twilight world
11

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 24/01/2008 01:58:33
Exit the Banks 'Zoo'
12

Celtic Lion,

Roar 24/01/2008 02:32:10
I would just love to be a shopkeeper to refuse Des Browne's money.

#3 Alan B I think you're suggestion that it would be considered racist if we were to refuse English money is a good point.
13

The Pict.,

Canada 24/01/2008 03:40:18
It's another kick in a### for Scotland. Another reason for the SNP to get rid of the English yoke.
slainte'
14

Jim A,

24/01/2008 04:14:15
#8 Steve, agreed mate, in all the years I've travelled south I've never had a problem anywhere when paying with Scottish notes.

#6 Birdie, Aye I remember that as well mate 19s/6d to the English pound
15

FrancesP,

24/01/2008 04:15:42
I was in Swansea a couple of years ago, and twice had Scottish notes rejected. I then spent an hour trying to get the notes changed to English ones (poor old Wales don't have their own) and was told that this wasn't possible either - but not to worry, because Scottish notes 'are accepted everywhere'. Ye just cannae win!
16

An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 04:22:51
It is a provocation pure and simple. I will no longer accept English banknotes. Is that racist - no - it's justice.
17

Julian.,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 05:23:58
#3 AlanB and all the others who are getting up in arms about this go and read the article.

It states:-
"English banknotes are legal tender only in England, Wales, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man."

So English notes are not legal tender here either. What are you all fussing about. Now you know this you can get a bit satisfaction by refusing to take an English note from an Ebglish person on the basis that it's not legal tender.
18

Stuart505,

Dubai 24/01/2008 05:35:05
Jim (15)

#8 Steve, agreed mate, in all the years I've travelled south I've never had a problem anywhere when paying with Scottish notes.

#6 Birdie, Aye I remember that as well mate 19s/6d to the English pound

Is it me or is there not a contradiction in these two statements?
19

james 1st,

hamilton 24/01/2008 06:16:40
has the scotland office ever takan scotlands part on any issue. i have exchanged scottish notes with my bank in new zealand without problem, but if english notes have the protection of law then so should scottish notes
20

TerryH,

England 24/01/2008 06:45:41
I think this wouldn't be a problem if there was a single Scottish note. But there isn't, every bank in Scotland produces their own (different)notes...its crazy.

I'm not a shop keeper, but if someone offered me a Cyldesdale bank note (that I'd never seen before), I'd be reluctant to take it. It has nothing to do with racism or scottophobia and everything to do with not wanting to be ripped of.

Get them produced centrally, with a common design and the problem (if it exists) would go away.
21

Watson,

Irvine 24/01/2008 06:58:37
This is Brown's idea of Britain. To him England is an island.
22

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 24/01/2008 06:58:56
The question of legal tender is a red herring here. It's simply unreasonable to expect notes issued by ordinary commercial banks to have the same status as those from a state central bank.

Until Scotland is free of the UK, all the current UK countries should use the same notes, which should be labelled "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland".
23

EWB,

UK 24/01/2008 07:03:04
I, too, remember getting 19s 6d for my Scottish pound in England back in the early 1950s; and sixpence in those days was a lot of money to a young child. By today's reckoning, a shilling was worth the equivalent of a pound, so 6d was worth about 50p.

In July 2006, I recall on a visit to Riga in Latvia, where bureaux de change abound on every street corner, how the tellers would both buy and sell Bank of England notes at the equivalent of 1 Lat (the local currency) for £1 (England)give or take a cent either way. They would also accept Scottish pound notes but only valued them at £0.75 and they would not sell them.

How many Latvians or other Europeans, after all, know that Scotland has its own banknotes? How many people know that Northern Ireland has its own banknotes?

Let Scottish pound notes be freely acceptable throughout the UK, but let's not kid ourselves that they are acceptable outwith the UK. They are, after all, backed by the Bank of England.
24

Webbie,

mullingar 24/01/2008 07:08:27
I remember being told that Scottish notes are legal because they are drawn on reserves in the bank of England but boE notes are not so they are worthless and not legal....Anyone else Know about this
25

eddylongshanks,

24/01/2008 07:38:54
Listen to you lot !! Try reading the WHOLE article ! English notes aren't legal tender in Scotland either so get off your high horses and drop the usual accusations of racism and read before trotting out your own usual predetermined prejudices !

"English banknotes are legal tender only in England, Wales, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. Credit cards, cheques and debit cards are not legal tender either, but it doesn't stop them being used as payment."
26

Mirrorman,

The bright side of life 24/01/2008 07:39:41
Scotland wants independence, Scotland can easily stand on its own two feet??, anti-English sentiment is rife, all Scotland's woes have been brought on by the Union, Westminster does Scotland down at every opportunity, we want our own navy, Olympic team, international airline, brand of soap powder etc etc etc....but please, please could you accept our bank notes.

If Scotland really wants independence then it has to accept the consequences. Just treat this as a taster. Come the great day? Scots will have their wish ...foreigners in their own islands.Oh and by the way those nice people over in Europe who are Scotland's new best friends and are so much nicer than the English won't want them either.

Wise up before it's too late.

27

donald,

glasgow 24/01/2008 07:50:41
It was embarrassing watching Labour thickos waffling on TV. Well, they do get paid in London gold.
28

TartanDave,

Kawerau 24/01/2008 07:52:00
#6 Birdie, Aye I remember that as well mate 19s/6d to the English pound.

When I was 17 years old and not long arrived in London (worked in Foreign Office) from Musselburgh, I bought a shirt in a shop near Whitehall. I handed over a Scottish fiver, and the guy behind the counter told me the Scottish pound was worth only 19/6 in England. We exchanged a few words; I asked him to hold on to the shirt for me; and, with fiver in my hand I went out and found one of those big London bobbies.
I soon got my full 20/- per Scottish pound!
29

eddylongshanks,

24/01/2008 07:56:55
Donald - and there was me almost believing that there was so much Scottish money pouring south it was the other way round !
30

eric,

Lothian 24/01/2008 08:17:07
I remember when i worked in tourist shop,And lady from kent threw dummy out pram when i gave her change in Scots notes ,She shouted the place down in front of tourists,She said they dont even have the queens head on them,
I replied No we have far more interesting people to put on them and that she had 300yrs to get used to them !
31

ex katman 2,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 08:19:03
Try changing Scottish bank notes into Euros when abroad at any exchange outlet and you will come home with the Scottish notes.A lot of exchanges are now refusing the old £20 English notes,so beware.
32

Iain's,

24/01/2008 08:48:39
I thought that Scottish notes were made legal way back during Old Labour times.

I read somewhere that when there was a £50 travel allowance, the government made Scottish notes legal. This was to prevent UK nationals taking Scottish notes on holiday abroad to beat the law.

This was in devaluation and 28% inflation times.

Can anyone check this out?

33

paulr,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 08:48:57
"I have also had Northern Irish banknotes sometimes in my wallet and I have never experienced anyone refusing to accept them"

He has been very lucky, i have had scottish notes, NI notes and Euros refused in england, the latest was in wales where they refused to accept scottish notes.
34

paulr,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 08:49:40
We should all refuse to accept english notes and see how they like it.
35

Arrow,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 08:52:35
Royal Oak pub in Windsor has a sign refusing to accept Scottish notes on the basis that there have been forgeries. i enquired whether English notes were never forged and the bartender said it was policy not accept Scottsh notes because the local banks don't like them. clearly Queen Lizzy changes all her money when she comes back from Balmoral.
36

Justy,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 08:57:54
Des Browne is among the many Westminster Scottish MPs who should be expected to take a pay cut back dated to 1999, the year devovled matters were transferred to Holyrood. He is a part timer after all.
Justy.
37

Worm,

Coldstream 24/01/2008 09:07:20
I wish people would read the article.

"In ordinary, everyday transactions, it has very little practical application"

Legal Tender is almost irrelevant. People in shops may say 'I'm not accepting that, it's not legal tender' - but they probably have no idea what 'Legal Tender' actually means.

That's not to say that this doesn't need sorting out, but it's not about shops refusing to accept Scottish or English notes - that's just ignorance, poor Customer Care and poor training. Scottish banknotes aren't Legal Tender in Scotland, but that's never caused a problem has it?
38

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 09:14:41
#31
If having Scottish notes refused in England is a feature of independence then why is it happening now?
39

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 09:16:38
I like the idea of refusing Bank of England notes as they are not legal tender here. I will try that one out.
40

Robert12,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:19:17
TBH It's partly fair enough for them down in the South as it's rare for them to see Scottish notes. I remember getting an Irish plastic fiver and wondering what it was! And I got a new Bank of Scotland £20 a few weeks ago and was concerned it was dodgy.

The same applied when I received one of the new English notes. Generally all these shops/pubs etc need to have to correct up-to-date information so that they know what notes should look like. However I doubt this will happen without FORCING folks in London to get off their ignorant backsides and check what notes should look like rather than turning them away.
41

Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:22:07
Did we have Scottish 'Ten Shillings, notes? I can only just remember the currency.
42

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 09:27:38
But doesn't this just sum things up? English notes aren't legal tender in Scotland but the English have no problem having them accepted, Scottish notes aren't legal tender in England but we have problems having them accepted, the central bank of the UNITED KINGDOM is the Bank of ENGLAND, and to put the icing on the cake 'Scottish' unionist politicians can't see any problem!
43

Lesley,

EDINBURGH 24/01/2008 09:27:44
In London a Taxi Driver offered me £2 each for four Scottish £1 Notes - explanation - he could pass off as fivers to drunks on a Saturday night :)
44

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:28:16
#4:

I travel around a lot and the only place I had a problem with Scottish notes was in Poland, long before it became an EU member state. They accepted them eventually, once we had explained what they were.

As far as England is concerned, I have had absolutely no problems whatsoever with them accepting Scottish notes... even £1 notes... even right down south.
45

sam the god,

24/01/2008 09:29:18
I was in London a few years ago and went out for lunch after which I tried to pay with Scottish banknotes which were refused by the management as Scottish funny money.
As a matter of principle I put my fingers down my throat and made myself sick saying as I had left the food on the premises I did not have to pay for it and then I walked out, it was a bit extreme but it got my point over as they just stood there.
46

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 09:29:48
This works both ways - no English notes are legal tender in Scotland either.
47

Barnett Formula Admin,

24/01/2008 09:31:08
Scottish Conservative MEP Struan Stevenson has accused the SNP Government of 'out-and-out hypocrisy' in the wake of Finance Minister John Swinney’s promise to write to Chancellor Alistair Darling demanding that Scottish banknotes be given equal status to English notes in England.

Speaking from Brussels, Struan said:

"The SNP’s demands seem completely ridiculous when you consider their real political agenda, which would take an independent Scotland into the Eurozone where Scottish banknotes would be banned.

"Alex Salmond used to work for a bank so he should know that the European Central Bank (ECB) produced a report way back in 1999 - the Report on the Legal Protection of Banknotes in the European Union Member States - which outlaws the issuance of banknotes by non-NCBs (National Central Banks, such as the three Scottish and four Northern Ireland banks) within the Eurozone.

"The SNP claims that distinctive banknotes issued by the three Scottish banks would be protected in the brave new world of the Euro, but the 1999 report makes it abundantly clear that no such deviation from the norm would be tolerated. The report claims that if the practice is allowed to continue it would provide the Scottish banks with some sort of commercial advantage over other banks through the ability to 'advertise their services through their banknotes'. They also claim that the different designs on Scottish Euro-notes would 'give rise to confusion in the general public' and would lead to 'distortions in monetary income calculations'.

"The SNP demands are no more than out-and-out hypocrisy, a charade aimed once again at opening up divisions between Scotland and England. While the SNP government maintains the pretext of trying to immortalise Scotland's unique banknotes, they are fully aware of the fact that independence would sound their death knell."




"Alex Salmond used to work for a bank so he should know that the European Central Bank (ECB) produced a report way bac
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24/01/2008 09:31:11
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 09:31:52
#49 Outside Europe they are virtually impossible to change - I've had them refused in Cuba, Egypt, the Dominican Republic, Morocco and so on.
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Mr Grumpy,

West lothian 24/01/2008 09:32:35
We were in the midlands recently and our Asian taxi driver refused to accept a Scottisih £20 note. He then said he'd accept Euros or Polish money. So who's in the EU then?
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24/01/2008 09:33:22
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malkster,

Scotland 24/01/2008 09:33:51
I have never had them refused in England, hand them over cofidently and glare at taker it works every time. It is a good point though, why do we have to have 3 different versions. lets have on Scottish issuing bank.
53

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 09:34:24
Just to throw another spanner in the works - I've had Northern Irish notes refused here in Scotland too.
54

AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 09:36:51
I've always liked the fact Scottish notes are despised south of the border - it adds fuel to the independence fire!

Hopefully more racist behaviour can be uncovered and we can speed the process up. I'm sure there must be something written in Westminster about expendable Scots and lethal nuclear waste dumping grounds.
55

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 09:38:17
#57 I hate getting Clydesdale banknotes - when they redesigned their latest notes I actually had a problem getting a taxi driver to take one in Dundee - because he had not seen it before.
56

morris,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:42:37
The answer is simple.Declare Des Brown an illegal tender in Scotland and all his quisling gravy train mates !SERIOUSLY
This is a national insult.

Bank of Scotland was founded by Royal Charter in 1695 if I recall.It has a perfect legitimacy and the current arrangement where Bank of England issues notes which cover the gold reserves of the UNITED KINGDOM (please note)is whats irregular! Bank of Scotland Royal Bank of Scotland and Clydesdale (and there used to be others) issue notes for which they must hold a Bank of England note.THIS HAPPENS BECAUSE WESTMINSTER HAS DECLARED IT SHOULD BE SO. This can serve no useful purpose than allow the Unionists another cheap numpty nonsense of Scotland's bank notes would be worthless if we left mother England.
This is a) nonsense and b) Blackmail!

WE SHOULD NOW REFUSE TO ACCEPT ENGLISH NOTES IN OUR CHANGE and force Des Browne to get a grip of his Scottish credentials (sounds painful, does it not)!

How do we launch a campaign to refuse acceptance of English banknotes? Any suggestions ?
Incidentally the Bank of England was founded by a Scotsman called William Paterson of Dumfries who apparently loaned the King money. This was slightly before the Bank of Scotland was given its Royal Charter (approx 1 year if I recall).
Please note both events took place prior to the 1707 Act of Union so how one can declare the currency of Scotland to be illegal when it was the currency of an independent Scotland is something I have never accepted.


Bank of England was granted the right to issue English Bank notes when formed in 1694 surely !It can only have the right to issue ALL United Kingdom notes if LONDON has declared it so, since the Union took place 13 years later.
This is only acceptable if we accept it!
57

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 09:43:34
#52
An independent Scotland would have a Central Bank which would issue Scottish notes in either sterling, pound Scots or euros - there is no contradiction in the SNP's position.
58

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 09:46:23
#61
"How do we launch a campaign to refuse acceptance of English banknotes? Any suggestions ?"

morris - just refuse to accept English notes as they are not legal tender - shouldn't be a problem according to Des Browne.
59

morris,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:49:10
58

You are correct of course .We often confuse Bank of Ireland notes with the "punt" which of course no longer exists as far as I know, since Poblacht na hÉireann,(the Republic), has adopted the Euro as far as I am aware. This refusal also should not happen,and far from throwing a spanner in the works,you make a very valid point indeed !


We cannot escape our own shortcomings here.I accept you are correct.
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Mr Grumpy,

West Lothian 24/01/2008 09:49:28
Nr 59 - I'm not a nationalist and I don't believe we should be independent, but I would hate to think we arrived at that point, if that's where democracy says we should be, having based our arguments on their apparent racism and general resentment of the English. Any English people that I've met are decent folk who take an interest in why Scotland wants to be seperate and although they wouldn't miss us, they cannot believe the level of resentment / hate we seem to level against them. Sure, life isn't fair, and they mention 1966 at every opportunity, but don't let's give the English an excuse to dump us. We would only find out how much we need each other after we'd been dumped, and for why? Who needs small minded bigots north or south of the border?
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malkster,

Scotland 24/01/2008 09:49:49
It may be a stupid question but why do we issue scottish bank notes. It must cost the banks money. Lets just stop and let the Bank of England pay for it all.
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Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 09:51:13
My Printing Plates work very well:)
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 09:56:11
Mr Grumpy#65,

The Nationalist cause aint about the English public, it's about Westminster and the system of govt. Of course, there's nae herm in taking the p*sh noo and again!
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:57:50
If The UK is truly a partnership of nations why was The Bank of England not renamed The Bank of The United Kingdom 301 years ago.
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morris,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 09:58:36
63

Yes obviously but with all due respect, that is only me. I was seeking suggestions on how we could accelerate into something slightly bigger in scale than Moi of course,but yes I suppose its the acorn and oak scenario. I refused to sing God Save the Queen at Murrayfield for a few years and along with a few friends engaged in Flower of Scotland afterwards,It soon became the norm,so much that,much to my surprise,it was abandoned without much argument really.I do know though that Princess Anne does not like the song also,so probably she was influential enough as patron of the SRU to rubber stamp this as it were.If so,well said Princess Anne.
I definitely would find her less objectionable than her brother!
I reiterate Any suggestions (apart from the admittedly obvious one)?
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:01:30
So we have the complaints about a Norwegian chess set that was bought fair and square from the rightful owner by the British Museum, immigration reforms making it harder for more Indian curry chefs to come to the UK and now the banknotes, which isn't an issue at all but why let reality get in the way of a good anti-English rant.

It's all heavy stuff from the nationalists, ain't it!
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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 10:01:55
Have handed Scots money over all the way down the M6 corridor and in Manchester for a number of years now and have had no problems.
A couple of weeks ago had Scots £20s changed in Stavanger without comment.
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malkster,

Scotland 24/01/2008 10:02:13
#69

You are right lets get a bank of the United Kingdom to print all our money or alternately join the euro.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 10:07:15
It's time we Scots got a life?

Travel to Newcastle, Berwick, or Carlisle, and you will find many branches of Scottish banks. The people of Northumbria and Cumbria are well used to interchanging Scots notes.

Travel to London or any of the other major English and Welsh cities and your Scots notes will rarely be refused. Prior to Ireland adopting the Euro, you could travel there, and they accepted Scots notes.

On the occasions when Scots notes are refused its more down to arrogance, ignorance or simply the case that forged Scots notes have been circulating in the area.

It's interesting to note that during the past week one of the few currencies to be unaffected by the turmoil in the world markets has been the Euro!

The sooner the U.K. adopts the Euro the better, and we can all forget these stupid arguments.
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:20:27
74. Not strictly true about the Euro being unscathed. When such a large market as the US has a crisis, everyone gets affected.:

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/fds/hi/business/market_data/currency/12/13/three_month.stm

That the Euro's major countries already have economic problems, and have so for a few years now, certainly does not mean that they are in the clear with this sub-prime business.
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morris,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 10:21:04
71
You said and I quote"and now the banknotes, which isn't an issue at all but why let reality get in the way of a good anti-English rant."

It is an issue for Scots , or we would not be debating it!
Again it has everything to do with government, and has nothing to do with the people of England, and we never suggested that it did have.
However if you really want to cement good relations between the two nations ,stop accusing us of racism, because we seek the rights afforded to every other nation only . You are the one who plays the racist card, and I have only encountered such attitudes from Unionists!The Scots and English have always had a dig at each other.We have no intention of stopping that, and we accept it works two ways also.

I have an English partner and most SNP members I know have English relatives or are themselves English.
I do not need to prove this,its a fact.WE even have English born MSPs and candidates for Westmonster.
We disagree as individuals Our nationality has no bearing on this at all,only what you say.I disagree with you for the same reason as I disagree with anybody else. It has nothing to do with your being English!If you were Welsh or Polish and said this I would still disagree with you equally.
72

Karin M,

24/01/2008 10:21:40
Every single time i have been to england i have had scottish banknotes refused. Morris as for a refusing english bankntoes try writing on your scottish notes that bank of england notes are not legal tender in scotland.
73

GP,

24/01/2008 10:28:34
3# spot on.
Most if not all of the west midlands refuse scottihs notes and the majority of lubs and shops have signs up saying so.
Des Browne smirked all the way through this subject whihc is a big problem for those travling at short notice. He is not fit for purpose.
74

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:29:32
77. So there's no anti-English ranting in the above posts? Over accusations that we don't recognise Scottish notes when we clearly do? Yes, of course there are. Here's one:

In 61: "WE SHOULD NOW REFUSE TO ACCEPT ENGLISH NOTES IN OUR CHANGE"....who wrote that one? Oh, YOU!

78. No you haven't and you know it.

And these two are both SNP activists. A good insight into the mentality of the party as they slide down the polls, isn't it!
75

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 10:31:34
The problem seems to me to be one of ignorance rather than a deliberate snub - most times I've had Scottish notes refused it has been because the person had not seen the note before and was not sure if it was acceptable. That is obviously going to be more of a problem the further South you go and the less likely it is that people have seen Scottish notes. The problem is usually worst with the newer notes that have been issued - they don't actually look or feel like real banknotes.
76

GP,

24/01/2008 10:32:59
74# you have not been out much have you?
You are so far off the mark you not only missed the traget your shot went backwards.
I do travel all over and there is a constant problem with scottish notes down south, a constant problem and sometimes one that is embarrasing. It makes you feel alien in your own country, or is it our country?
77

The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 10:33:10
As postcript - perhaps one reason that English notes are not refused up here is that our businesses are not stupid and know good money when they see it - well unless it's Northern Irish!!
78

Rasco,

Inverness 24/01/2008 10:33:27
Don't have to go to England for this. I used a £10 BOS note in the machine at Inverness airport to pay for car park was rejected all the time had to go to kiosk to pay was told said machines were made to only take ENGLISH notes BOE I wrote and asked certain MPs and MSP to check this out still waiting for a reply and that was a nearly 3yrs ago.As for the Des & David show at Scottish Questions I thought of double Ds a right pair or????????????
79

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:33:56
79. More insane rubbish from yet another SNP activist.

Let's repeat what he posted, shall we?:

"Most if not all of the west midlands refuse scottihs notes and the majority of lubs and shops have signs up saying so."

What is the definition of 'psychotic'?
80

GP,

24/01/2008 10:34:17
82# not alwsys possible when travellign at short notice. Any what do you know? you stay in europe.
81

morris,

edinburgh 24/01/2008 10:38:03
74

Try changing a Scottish bank note in St Helens.They refuse to accept it , on the basis that its probably a forgery !Its no more likely to be a forgery than an English note is ,which could easily be passed from Liverpool or Manchester, both of which are close enough!
The accusation is that we take our forgeries down there ,to take advanatage of them being unfamiliar with our notes.They are unfamiliar because they refuse them!
The solution is easy.STOP INSULTING SCOTLAND by refusing our notes!

The adoption of the Euro is a seperate matter which being in agreement with,or against makes absolutely
no difference whilst this still exists.
The Bank of Scotland should have exactly the same rights to issue notes as should Bank of England,both preceeding the Union of 1707.

I accept that Clydesdale and Royal Bank are slightly different since they as far as I know were formed in 1838 and 1835 respectively which is after the Act of UNion.I can see no justification for what happens and its time it stopped.
82

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:42:02
91. What are you on?

"Try changing a Scottish bank note in St Helens.They refuse to accept it , on the basis that its probably a forgery !"

....well, that's THEIR choice, isn't it. But what has that got to do with this article?

(Excellent piece of wiki-ing to get your information, by the way.)
83

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:48:39
I might take a leaf out of AM2's book and start saving this comments. Some are just priceless in their madness...
84

GP,

24/01/2008 10:56:08
It is a racist act no doubt about it.
85

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 10:58:54
97. What is?
86

malkster,

Scotland 24/01/2008 11:03:09
I worked in England and commuted home for weekends for years no problems with any notes either North or South of the Border this is a minor issue being blown out of all proportion. ten years ago it was an issue but not now.
87

AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 11:08:05
AM2,

You're Irish(or have you forgotten you said that), what do you know about Scottish culture?
88

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:09:23
#96 After being inundated by tens of thousands of e-mails from across the world, including hundreds from universities in the U.S. and Canada, the L of C trustees had another meeting and simply reconsidered it's policy.

Full details for the change of policy can be obtained by logging onto the CPSO website of the U.S. Library of Congress.
89

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24/01/2008 11:17:03
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 11:22:36
104. Oh, give it a rest.

These petty accusations that unionists are 'anti-scottish' make as much sense as that obscure 'White Paper on Independence' that so few people have read.

Unionists are pro-Scotland, as we are pro-England, pro-Wales and pro-Northern Ireland. In other words, we are pro-UK....That is what makes us 'unionists'!

It is NATIONALISM that denigrates other nations and cultures as can be seen by the many posts by SNP MEMBERS on this very page.

A brief quote to help you understand where you are going wrong:

“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first. Nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.” : Charles De Gaulle.
91

Jmhzx,

brighton 24/01/2008 11:23:22
Few companies in the south east can afford to take the risk of accepting Scottish money.

If Scotland would just have one set of banknotes instead of the current 4 or 5, it would make things much easier. How can anyone tell if it's real or not? No other country I know of has 4/5 one pound notes, plus coins, all issued by different banks. If Scotland wants people to take it's currency seriously, it needs to decide on one that everyone else can work with.

92

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:23:49
#106 - No. Literature written in the English language is simply literature written in the English language, rather than 'English literature'. By your yardstick, American literature written in the English language would qualify as 'English literature' also.

The distinction, like it or not, is one of place and perspective.
93

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:29:52
#108 - I've seen plenty of posts from you denigrating Scottish nationalism in pretty strident terms, presumably in defence of your preferred British identity.

That makes you a British nationalist. Not a very temperate one by the sounds of you, but a nationalist none the less.

94

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 11:32:49
113. And out comes the inevitable "British Nationalist" line again!

I am not a member of the BNP nor am I a supporter in any way.

So how am I a 'British Nationalist'?
95

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 11:33:34
#2..... The time has now come for an end to be put to this UK nonsense. Scottish freedom NOW!
96

Sgurr,

24/01/2008 11:34:01
What's all the fuss about? I was chatting to a disreputable friend of mine who was down on business in Stockton last week. He told me that he was able to use an old Scottish £1 note to procure the professional services of a comedy troupe, complete with old hag called "Lia" for the entire night - not just that, but her daugthers as well. He said the daughters were meant to be in their 20s, but looked about 40 though. They had no problem taking Scottish money what so ever. The comedy was, reportedly, rather poor.
97

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:34:09
It leaves it exactly where it was in my original post. Most libraries/scholars/ordinary readers of books are happy to accept that there are a variety of different literatures which happen to be written in the English language. English literature is one of them, American literature another, Irish and Scottish literature being yet more categories.

Your mate having been on a poorly titled uni course makes not for a convincing argument, I'm afraid.
98

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/01/2008 11:38:59
67 Gothic ROse

Are we now into counterfeiting, dearest one?

Charles Linskaill

From some of your postings in the very early morning hours you seem to be "punch-drunk" from exhaustion or something.

As long as the Scottish banknote has a lovely depiction of Her Britannic Majesty, Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland it should be legal tender.

ANd so many posters are incorrectly using the word "racist" in this forum. It is an imprecise usage and just as bad as the word "Fascist" or "Fascism" which occurs much too frequently.

Precision and concision will get your thoughts across without mangling the language and using the WRONG words.
99

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:39:32
#116 - I never said you were a member of the BNP, nor did I accuse you of having any sympathies in that direction.

You are a British nationalist because you believe, I presume, as a British unionist, in the maintenance of the British nation/state as a unit of government. No?
100

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:42:48
#123 - Similarly, 'wow' that you would class F Scott Fitzgerald as English rather than American literature.

I really hope you're not a librarian in real life - finding any books left in your care would be a nightmare :-)
101

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 11:43:38
120. "I was in Las Vegas 7 years ago and they had a different exchange rate, i.e. worse, for Scottish money than for English money."

LOL! What?! How does that work then?!

We have a winner, Ladies and Gents! Outstanding!
102

AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 11:51:02
AM2,

Didn't you say, months ago, you moved over from NI as an adult in search of work and an unsuspecting Scottish wife?
103

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 11:51:41
# 108 Unionist is another word for insecurity. In your own mind you dont have the courage to see your own country as an independent sovereign state. So! you hold on to your biggest neighbour's coat tails for security and peace of mind. Just look at the unionists in the north east of Ireland, they are indeed a pathetic lot who have since the formation of their gerrymandered sectarian state, sponged billions of pounds from the other countries in the so called U.K. They have never at anytime been in surplus.Apart from the most sectarian reason(the sectarian British act of settlement 1701)you can understand why they are happy to remain part of this so called union.
104

Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 11:51:41
# 108 Unionist is another word for insecurity. In your own mind you dont have the courage to see your own country as an independent sovereign state. So! you hold on to your biggest neighbour's coat tails for security and peace of mind. Just look at the unionists in the north east of Ireland, they are indeed a pathetic lot who have since the formation of their gerrymandered sectarian state, sponged billions of pounds from the other countries in the so called U.K. They have never at anytime been in surplus.Apart from the most sectarian reason(the sectarian British act of settlement 1701)you can understand why they are happy to remain part of this so called union.
105

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 11:56:00
#126 - Parochial SNP cringe, Gordon? Whatever gets you through the night...

Can I recomend you start sharpening your quill to accuse these faculties of having a parochial cringe also? Or is American literature written in some strange language called American?

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~english/Department/courses/schedule_fall.html

http://www.english.stir.ac.uk/undergraduate-current/modules/index.php

http://www.arts.gla.ac.uk/SESLL/EngLit/ugrad/honours.htm
106

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 11:56:11
Jackie Priest is about to blow....I'm just going to take cover over there....

'Las Vegas had different exchange rates for Scottish and English currency'....**** me, the comments of a true idiot!
107

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 11:58:31
137. For crying out loud, that didn't happen and you know. Are you seriously trying to stick to this line?

I have been in the US many times in the past few years, including Vegas, and I have NEVER, EVER seen anything like that, not in even the most obscure location!

Drop this one! For you own sake!
108

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 12:03:34
#135 - Fitzgerald wrote in English. His work is American Literature. What's so difficult to grasp about that?

What 'subcategory' would Jane Austin go into then - something called 'English English Literature'? If so you're starting to get into 'Major Major Major Major' territory, which, I daresy to your great chagrin, still tends to get categorised as American literature.
109

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 12:05:32
145. Ticket/vending machines can only be set to accept one currency. With the silver strip etc. being in different places on different notes, they won't be recognised.
110

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 12:07:00
# 141 - I'm not even going to ask what in the dark, dank dripping recess of what passes for your mind leads you to believe I've got a chip, Gordon, or why that would be demonstrated by my posting a link to Glasgow university's English department.

All English literature is written in English. Not all literature written in English is English literature. Even you should be able to grasp that.
111

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 12:10:44
Can I just remind the nats that the SNP has lost support according to the latest polls and that independence has as well? Devolution actually gained 6% in support from a year ago.

Can I just say that?

I know it's off-topic but so is this bizarre debate about literature.

I'm just saying....
112

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 12:12:20
152. Totally agree.

ATM's and Maestro - all you need for much of the world nowadays.

Don't agree on the Euro though, it's buggered up Germany, France, Italy, Ireland and co with poorly-set exchange rates.
113

Janis *,

london 24/01/2008 12:14:58

One of my daughters read Catcher in the Rye as part of her English A Level course, at London Comp., other of my kids have read Irish poets on previous A Level courses. I have never had any Scottish bank notes refused in London, sometimes queried, by non UK assistants usually, but the notes were always accepted when managers have intervened.

Love the idea of a "lets refuse English banknotes" campaign. Can't see canny Scots traders going along with that!!
114

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 12:21:12
#155 - It doesn't ail me at all. I'm perfectly happy with what the Library of Congress decided - unlike Gordon and AM2, who seem to be getting quite upset, simply because it doesn't conform with their particular view of Scotland in the world.

#158 - Yawn. Panto season is finished, you know.
115

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 12:32:15
153 EV

is that the poll that shows the SNP 9 points ahead of Labour, showing an increase of 8% since the election? Seems what you meant to say was that the SNP has continued to increase its support since its historic victory last year?
116

Porty Nat,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 12:33:46
#167 - Sorry to have to point it out since I normally enjoy your contributions, but the whinging seems to be coming largely from you on this one, Gordon. Anyway, I'm away for my lunch - hope you've managed to dry your eyes by the time I get back.
117

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 12:34:13
Do they take Scottish bank notes in Jersey? Does Jersey have notes that are different? Are these "permissible" in Scotland? Does Wendy Alexander have a maestro card, or is it a maelstrom card? Should we listen to Des Browne or Darling about the legality or permissibility of any monies....?
118

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 12:40:34
Scottish and Proud, as I say, never seen it myself but I humbly apologise nonetheless.
119

AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 12:41:55
175. I happens in quite a few places - worse exchange rate for Scottish currency. Has been on news etc - you can google it for examples. And of course often you can't even change Scottish notes at all
120

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 12:45:51
170. Oh no, I'm pretty sure this was the poll that showed that the SNP was down on Westminster, constituency and regional support, alongside devolution gaining considerable support while independence also dropped.

I'll just check again...............yep, that's the one. No sign of the SNP actually 'increasing' support, quite the opposite in fact. It seems the honeymoon may be over.

By the way, it's the same poll that shows that the majority of SNP voters agree that it was the unpopularity of Labour that got the SNP their one seat majority, not the SNP's policies.

Why do you ask?
121

AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 12:49:20
#177,

Great...now I can jist sit back and watch the show!
122

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 12:50:56
180. Let me see if I can unfankle your strained logic, which seems more convulsed that Annabelle, Nicol and Wendy folloiwng a game of unionist twister aided with bin bags and a litre of Catrol GTX.

The SNP polled 33% and 1% ahead of Labour in the election. The poll you quote shows the SNP now 9 % ahead of Labour and at 38% - but you contend it does not show the SNP have continued to increase support since its historic victory?
123

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 12:51:16
162. I can only assume that Souter paid his half mil in Scottish notes. To pay in English notes certainly would not have got him that veto over the SNP's bus regulation policy!
124

Nik,

Embra 24/01/2008 12:52:09
Cand find anywhere else to put this so I'm posting it here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7206812.stm

What next for Wendy?
125

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 12:54:29
184

"The Electoral Commission said it would be up to the Metropolitan Police to decide whether to investigate. "

Eh, so why have they taken 2 months "investigating" Wendy?

And why did Hain step down to "clear his name" while Windy clings on like a dehydrated limpet?

126

lia,

24/01/2008 13:01:16
Always suspected the scots were using monopoly money,ah well,maybe one day you'll get grown up money.
127

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:01:51
183. I think you miss the point - English notes would be accpted in Scotland, that the reverse is not always true is the point.

As Labour are now facing more criminal investigation, one cabinet minister just resigning over illegal donations, Harman have admitted illegal donations, Wendy Alexander having admitted illegal donations and Labour UK having admitted illegal donations, your choice of attacking the SNP for legal, declared donations which bought no influence is rather perverse. One might think are you just a one-dimensional knee jerk of a posturing prattler?
128

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:02:26
186 One wonders what tender is accepted at 70 Norton Road, Stockton?
129

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:03:01
182. Well, no.

I'll use SNP's bombastic language for this, I think. Will seem more familiar for you:

The SNP's FRAGILE poll rating has PLUMMETED 2% since the last HISTORIC poll that showed that the SNP's DESTRUCTIVE policies have ALIENATED ALL OF SCOTLAND. So it cannot be said that the NOVICE and AMATEUR SNP has increased their support when it has clearly SELF-DESTRUCTED.

Furthermore, support for the current Parliament set-up has ROCKETED INTO THE UPPER STRATOSPHERE with an ASTONISHING and BREATH-TAKING 6% rise in support while the DOOMED, NAIVE and ILL-THOUGHT OUT policy of independence has also DROPPED OFF THE SCALE.
130

Nik,

Embra 24/01/2008 13:03:18
185.

Very bizarre, isn't it?
131

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:07:47
189. So, SNP at 33% in election, 1% up on Labour, now at 38% and 9% up on Labour according to the poll you choose to crow about (honestly, can anyone fathom these unionist types?), and you quote this as a "plummeting" of support. Well in that case you odd inversion of fact and weird confusion of logic, may the "plummet" continue....
132

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:15:10
191. They were 11% up a month ago. Nah!

Only 9% up now. Nah!

No, I'm not going to let you have the last word. Nah!
133

lia,

24/01/2008 13:16:06
186.Pardon me, are you in cryptic mode,don't follow
134

Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 13:17:13
So its aiming for 200?
135

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:17:43
192. Ah, so your "plummetting" of SNP support means that the SNP have increase their vote by 9 - 11% since the election? A sour plummet for unionists indeed...
136

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:18:14
193. ask a nurse to explain it dear
137

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:27:30
195. It's called a 'honeymoon period'. What goes up must come down - as in SNP poll goes up right after election but then comes back down when people realise how crap they actually are.

Really and honestly, you should read up on how 'politics' works. I think the SNP dished out copies of this book to all MSPs and members recently:

http://media.wiley.com/product_data/coverImage/73/07645088/0764508873.jpg
138

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:29:31
197. That's outrageous!
Scotland is insulting England!
That is racist!
We should ban all Scottish currency in England!
We should write on all English notes that Scottish notes aren't legal tender in England!
etc.
139

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:30:34
199. Ah, so now you are saying that the SNP support has indeed continued to increase after the election? Weird, because just a few posts up you said it had "plummetted" - do make up your mind old crocus.
140

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:35:36
205. I'll give you this chicken and a week of washing your car for that tv.
141

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24/01/2008 13:37:10
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:40:06
210 I have saved your vile comments and will be contacting my lawyers at 70 Norton Road.


Head and shoulders? You never get a second chance to make a first impression...
143

Sgurr,

24/01/2008 13:40:08
Haha! Prophetic of me! Ayrshire Scot, check my post about the old crone "Stockton Lia" at #118!!!



144

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:40:12
212. Sssh, she's sleeping....
145

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24/01/2008 13:41:31
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146

lia,

24/01/2008 13:42:03
212. And you are a disgrace to England, if you really are English.
147

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 13:42:37
216. You ain't seen his wife!
148

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:47:24
214 LOL. Nice one
149

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 13:48:34
I have been tricked. It turns out the address my lawyers gave me is a day care centre for the mentally impaired in Stockton!!
150

Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 13:50:06
Well Come along respondez to Methalions.
151

Sgurr,

24/01/2008 13:51:44
Nightmare - I hear it is becoming all too common for lawyers to use comminity mental health centres as a front for underhand legal activites. Its especially prevalent in the NE of England.
152

Lock,

24/01/2008 13:52:03
One easy solution. Don't let Scottish and Northern Irish banks print money. Everyone uses English (British) bank notes. We could even change the name on the front to 'Bank of UK' to keep the anti English folk happy. No fuss. No confusion. Easier for everyone as the Scottish banks don't have to hold the Central bank's notes to cover the notes they have in circulation too. Its win win win.

#62 moiaussi,

'An independent Scotland would have a Central Bank which would issue Scottish notes in either sterling, pound Scots or euros - there is no contradiction in the SNP's position.'

I don't think you quite understand the concept of monetary union.
153

lia,

24/01/2008 13:58:06
231. Does your mother know you are a vile little bully!
154

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 14:00:25
I've always wondered what the SNP propose for a post-break currency.

To stay with the pound is nonsensical as they would be totally reliant on a separate nation's central bank for monetary policy. Not exactly 'independent' is it though.

The ECB won't let Scotland join the Euro until it has shown it has a stable currency and economy for several consecutive years so that's a non-starter.

Which leaves a brand sp@nking new currency.

What is the SNP policy?
155

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 14:01:48
235. The British Empire ended a good few years back!
156

lia,

24/01/2008 14:03:10
235.save a load of money,and have a English prime minister.
157

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 14:08:30
238. Scottish ones are cheaper.
158

Publius,

London 24/01/2008 14:10:52
Malcolm Bruce has got hold of the wrong end of the stick - as have some of today's posts. Some English traders don't accept Scottish banknotes because they are not familiar with them. For the same reason some traders won't accept large denomination Bank of England notes either. As one or two posts point out there isn't usually any difficulty in northern England (i.e. near to Scotland) but there is sometimes further south where traders are less likely to come across a Scottish banknote.
It's time Malcolm Bruce found something useful to do.
159

lia,

24/01/2008 14:11:03
239,maybe,but you know where you are with a English one!
160

Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:16:13
Excuse me, "lia", but who are you and why are you calling me a bully? That is just nasty bullying tactics and it upsets me. I'm off to 72 Norton Road to go and pick up my happy meal now, since you've upset me so much, before popping in to my lawyers at No. 70.
161

An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 14:16:44
EV, AM2, Chairman Whatzisname, et al,

Got to agree with you these cringing BritNats are displaying a collective break with reality. To paraphrase R.D. Laing:

The texture and fabric of their mutually shared hallucinations is what they call reality and their collusive madness sanity.
162

An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 14:17:33
241. Is the answer, "Not in Iraq"?
163

democracy,

Scottish Borders 24/01/2008 14:18:44
I wish we could all live in harmony and accept each others money and Britain would be a much better place to live, but I have to hand the laptop back to
An English Voice™, as I am only 2 beds along from her and the gorgeous nurse wants me to go to sleep now,
byesy bye.
164

 Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 14:19:15
243 You missed the tea trolley at no 70. No sign of my lawyer - she is usually sitting on the back sofa chatting to Elvis and Abe Lincoln at this time of day.
165

SeriouslyAmused,

Ayr 24/01/2008 14:19:43
42 Worm,Coldstream - I don't think anyone's really listening. Much better to get excited emotionally on both sides over the perception of what 'Legal' means here than discuss it rationally.

It's almost an archaic term and for most intents and purposes means nothing. I am a nationalist, but understand that an unfamiliar note may make someone doubtful if it is forged, be it RBS,BoS,Clydesdale,BoE - it doesn't matter (when I first saw new English notes I worked in a bar and refused them. Not out of racism, but I wasn't sure they were genuine). Where I would take umbrage is an umbrella policy of refusing English, Scottish or NI notes, that's silly.

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lia,

24/01/2008 14:21:23
245,THAT SEEMS TO SUM UP THE SNP PERFECTLY.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:22:52
How bizarre - I'm now sat in my lawyers waiting room with my happy meal and the other people around me are clearly barking, stir fry, animal crackers, mad....something's fishy, and it isn't the mcfillet o fish in my paw...
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lia,

24/01/2008 14:23:24
245.Although "wee eck" is a great supporter of the campaign for a English parliament.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:27:09
Why is that lawyer injecting her clients with a sedative and telling us its "quiet time for the special ones"? I can't see Mourinho anywhere..

This is proper freaky, I'm out of here...70 Norton Road lawyers office, indeed.
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 14:27:55
#232
In that case, why not just issue notes only by the Bank of Scotland for the whole of the UK, that would please the Scots and obviously wouldn't bother the Englsh - they wouldn't be so petty and anti-Scottish.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 14:28:31
255 - It's called projection. Indicates a very serious deterioration in the condition.
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lia,

24/01/2008 14:28:43
253. please carry on,you are a total loser,an imbacile,but most of all you lost the argument when you used your vile bullying tactics. Lets see who has the last laugh!
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 14:31:24
Except in the case of 2,3,4 and 5, where Scotland doesn't have its own interest rates, currency fluctuations, deficit or debt...so will have to start the process all over from day one of independence.

You are 'official' SNP, what is the SNP policy on a post-independence currency? Pound or something new?

Saying that, sticking with the pound means you still won't have your own interest rates or currency fluctuations, of course.
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 14:32:39
264 is directed at DaveSubsea obviously.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:35:19
:-D I'm an "imbacile", apparently!!! :))

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democracy,

Scottish Borders 24/01/2008 14:36:25
An English Voice™, Listen up. England is the only country in the UK that does not actually exist, as it has no independent political representation, only the other 3 countries have that.
If you doubt it, just look up "United Kingdom of Great Britain and N.I." in the Encyclopedia Britannica.
Now tell me, that English currency is superior to all others!
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malkster,

Scotland 24/01/2008 14:36:33
#265

Boring the war was stupid but has never been proven to be illegal.

No new nuclear weapons are being built.

Quoting polls older tha the one that says only 27% in favoutr of independence in Scotland.

Desperate tactics from a party whose central pol;icy is no more popular than when they were swept to power in the biggest protest vote in British history.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:38:05
I was wondering, are doctors able to do anything for people who are small minded racists??? They have a real problem with that in the N. of England.
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Lock,

24/01/2008 14:39:15
258 moiaussi,

Suits me. Personally I couldn't give a sh*t what it says on the front and back. A single type of banknote for the whole of the UK would make things a whole lot easier.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:40:54
esp. Stockton
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Alfie Bett,

24/01/2008 14:42:14
This has been an ongoing disgrace thats went on for generations and we've accepted it,if this had been brought up about forty years ago when cash was still about the only way you could carry out a transaction I could get a bit enthusiastic about it,but bringing it up now in an era of debit cards and credit cards it has less significance and looks like the Lib/Dems are trying to get on the bandwagon and trying out their "sticking up for Scotland " routine and failing even at that.
Personally I look forward to the day when Scotland is using the Euro as currency and has joined the 21st century as an independent nation within Europe.
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Lock,

24/01/2008 14:42:18
#265,

'Being dragged into an illegal war in Iraq'

Which was subsequently approved by the voters of Scotland at the following general election (not me may I add).
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lia,

24/01/2008 14:44:23
271. If not taking all the crap you little scotlanders spout then you can call it what you like,I call it defending my country,but guess when you are on the losing side you have to use dirty tactics.
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lia,

24/01/2008 14:46:28
273,get it correct troll,STOCKTON-ON--TEES.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:48:54
I always thought it was stockton on e's, due to the endemic drugs problems they have there (both prescrition and illegal).
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lia,

24/01/2008 14:49:15
273. Are you one of the unemployed we hear so much about in scotland,or are you just a lazy g-t!
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lia,

24/01/2008 14:50:38
278,think you'll find that's middlesbrough!
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 14:51:25
Stockton slogan, "You don't have to be mad to live here.........but it helps!" yadda yadda, those crazy stocktonians and their humour.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 14:53:18
"#236 An English Voice™,24/01/2008 14:00:25
I've always wondered what the SNP propose for a post-break currency."

The Euro?
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 14:55:09
EV, AM2, Chairman Whatzisname, et al,

Some wander away to the back of the ward - their interest captured by the patterns of light projecting through the barred window. Others take their place. This one thinks she is female and is called lia. Another (stubborn case this one) thinks the population of England speaks every time he opens his mouth.

This is like rubber necking at a car crash - undignified but, nevertheless, fascinating. Mental Health services are clearly not up to the job. These poor people actually think they are talking sense - but in reality they are babbling lunatics.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 14:59:00
282 - LOL!
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lia,

24/01/2008 15:00:13
Methalion.DO WE,how strange,as kenya is my sister that I CAN UNDERSTAND,as for LIA,have not got a clue,but she/he is very good.
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lia,

24/01/2008 15:07:12
284. Better than where you are from where the girls wear no underwear
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Lock,

24/01/2008 15:07:23
#290,

Whoops!

Looks like you used the wrong log-in.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 24/01/2008 15:08:39
Just another example of English arrogance. I was in Whitby last summer and was about to buy a few items from a newsagents near the harbour, when I noticed a sign in the window saying "Scottish banknotes not accepted". Well, their loss,I won't be back.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 15:09:05
Poor kimba's medication must've been upped again - she can't even keep her own story straight! Poor (Dover)sole.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 15:10:32
290 - Poor lia/kimba/kenya:

Multiple personality disorders are so sad!
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lia,

24/01/2008 15:11:33
292.I can see you are not one for decorum, both my sister and I were brought up not dragged up.
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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 15:14:29
isn't decorum a decorators in the new town? I don't think they do jobs in Spain..

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Sgurr,

24/01/2008 15:15:37
...but by the looks of you now, most people would guess at "vomitted up"
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rona,

STOCKTON ON TEES 24/01/2008 15:18:32
hello again! i agree with lia and her imajianry friends.
Just because she pretends she's one person doesnt mean shes just one. the three of them could be triplets for all we know!!!! or dolly the sheep even. and stop going on AND ON about money all the time.i have lots and lots and sometimes give it to my favorit charity. The adres is in Stockton Road. Pass it on to the lawyer lady and shell know who to give it too.
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Richard Lionheart,

24/01/2008 15:19:09
http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/banknotes/about/faqs.htm#15

The Bank of England only claims it's notes to be legal tender in England & Wales.

On the above link they also state:-

"The term legal tender does not in itself govern the acceptability of banknotes in transactions. Whether or not notes have legal tender status, their acceptability as a means of payment is essentially a matter for agreement between the parties involved."

Hope this helps with the bank note debate.

Scottish Banknotes if you look at them closely are a promise to pay the bearer on demand the sum of ...... pounds Sterling,( ie Bank of England notes) so it would be silly for a Scottish trader to refuse to accept payment in Sterling.

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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 15:20:45
I was thinking of visiting Scotland and bringing some monopoly money to use in the shops because its just as legal as thos pieces of paper you lot call Bank notes. Your money is not legal tender and never will be. Long live England, the home of real money!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 15:25:50
Here is one who believes that he is in Camelot! We need better drugs. SSRI's were okay but we still rely too heavily on psychotropics.
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fona,

24/01/2008 15:27:41
hi!!!! I'm fona, rona's best friend!!!!! She's great and when she thinks of going out for the night she always thinks "who am I gonna phona?"

I'm also bestest friends with kimba cos shes the coolest!!!!!!!
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Lock,

24/01/2008 15:28:23
#306,

I think when comparing Monopoly money and Scottish banknotes the latter comes out very favourably when the matter of exchanging for goods and services (other than hotels and houses) is taken into account.
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 15:31:57
269. And you know what? I honestly have no problem with that! England has not been much more than a postal address and a collection of sports teams for hundreds of years, but so what?

You could actually say that England is the only country in Europe that does not exist...the world too?

As for your question about the "English currency", I have no idea what you're talking about.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 15:33:35
Just because I have myself decided to use the roman name of a great Englishman should not give you cause for concern. I am and always will be pro-english and pro-british but the way most Scots are acting on here, with their prehistoric responses, that are not even on topic, just shows the lack of intelligence that you sheep worriers have.

Grow up stay on topic and concern yourself with the fact that your politicians seem to think that they are a seperate government. They may want to look at that, just because you change the name from the Scottish Executive to the Scottish Government doesn't make it a real government, it was changed so that people would understand what they did, again showing another lack of intelligence.

The fact that you lot print off your own funny money which is worthless also makes me chuckle. Grow up and come back when you have a constructive response.
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 15:34:34
DAVESUBSEA!

What is the SNP's policy on a post-independence currency?!

Don't make me download that White Paper again looking for the answer!
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/01/2008 15:41:08
Not to put too fine a point on it, many of these postings are mindless mental meanderings.

These forums are not a telephone "party line" or "blog" but a place for interesting posters to post relevant and cogent views on the matter(s) in question.

I have occasionally strayed off-track and have been chastised for it. I DO try and stick to the subject under discussion.

I only wish some posters would do the same and not waste space and time with one word postings and VERY feeble attempts at jocularity and (nit)witticisms.

Thus endeth the sermonette.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 15:46:16
I agree completely TimW the posts on this website are very mocking, and offensive to any other nation other than the Scots. I am on here to discuss the matters in hand with intellectual people and not have to scroll through post after post of moronic drivel.

If you dont have anything to say that is on topic don't say anything at all. Grow up.
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clarisse,

24/01/2008 15:48:56
I to am from the Norfeast. When i buy my pies I ALWAYS PAY IN ENGLISH MONEY because you get more pies. Scottish money is smaller so the pies are too.if i had to go to scotland for pies i;d give them there money, but only if they gave me more pies.i'd probbly do the same with cakes.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 15:56:00
Clarisse you make no sense at all, your probably yet another benefit claiming Scot, who has been on the Jeremy Kyle show 3 or 4 times. Why try to mock the english, you just show yourself up in doing so. If you are going to try and mock English people try coming up with something that is actually funny, and intelligent.

Your nothing but boring, oh and you have been reported as unsuitable, stay on topic. Oh damn your late for your jobseekers interview, damn your not getting any money again, guess we will see you on Jeremy Kyle again then complaining that because you didnt get your benefit payment because you were spamming this board you had to go and sleep with people for money and your now pregnant and want all the clients paternity tested so you can scam money from them through the CSA.

Now can we all stay on topi.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 15:56:44
317 - Yep!
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:01:12
Methalions where exactly in Scotland are you? To me you sound Glaswegian. Your showing a similar intelligence to the people we see on Jeremy Kyle.

If your not going to post something relevant dont post.

To keep this post relevant, English money is the only real money, but I propose that we get rid of the Scots and Welsh MP's and have an English Government ruling over the Kingdom, and you will all have to spend English money.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:01:41
Arthur Askey takes the hump:I am funny and intelligent.

Oh dear! Another one for ECT!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:02:34
How're you doing Eve?
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:02:49
hahah! hilarious - kimba is trying her hardest as "Arthurius" to be serious, but her inept spelling and rampantly stupid racist views let her down....again.
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:05:10
And she admits to watching "Jeremy Kyle"...classic. That must be on before Norton Road opens for the day.
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:05:23
Davesubsea, for an SNP activist, you really are crap and giving people answers about SNP policy!

There's nothing on the 'national conversation' either. Just 450 posts in six months is hardly setting the world alight, is it!

Where's that White Paper?...I wonder if they have broken the magical '1% barrier'?...
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Lock,

24/01/2008 16:06:33
#323 Arthurius,

You seem to know alot about The Jeremy Kyle Show.
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 16:06:47
I see Kimbatime has started again. It's a pity Big Bird at No70 could tighten the straight jaiket, jist a wee bit!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:07:52
On topic - I think it is time Scots stopped underwriting the English pound with our oil reserves. Exchange rate between Scots versus English pound would be incredibly humiliating for our English cousins I am sure.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:08:19
I live in West bromwich, one of the very few towns in England who are allowed to celebrate St Georges Day. I support the English Nationalists, and would like to see England once again ruling all. Is it impossible for English people to support England.

If it is the case that you think that people with similar ideas are all one person, then all of the Scots on this board are all one person, your all Methalions!

GROW UP you bunch of idiots. Im a 24 year old male from the West Midlands.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:09:13
326. What, are you a total idiot. thats not me.
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:11:50
Hehehe, ok "Arthurius", whatever you say..but, surely an amazing coincidence? Another "English Nationalist" on this website? Yet they only polled about 4,000 votes across England in TOTAL...what are the chances, eh?!!
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Lock,

24/01/2008 16:12:19
#331,

You think? Obviously there are no other variables involved. If you repeat it enough it must be true.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:12:44
AJ. PLEASE FIND SOME KIND OF EMPLOYMENT, because your giro will not cover all your drinking expenses.
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:13:10
Kimba! How was 70 Norton Road? Did you make any nice baskets today?
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:13:54
328 - The corpus colostomy didn't work then?
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:13:59
We have an amazing coincidence here - two....TWO enlgish nationalists on at once. Wow!
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:15:56
331 - Your oil reserves? your obviously as stupid as you look. The English oil and gas mainly comes from Russia, and Sweden. Try getting your facts straight before posting something so ridiculous. You have monopoly money for currency. Actually you could probably get a good exchange rate swapping monopoly money for Scottish notes.

329 - Yes I do watch the Jeremy Kyle show because its ridiculously funny watching the state of the people on it. I sit laughing at the Scottish Neds who have all been sleeping aroun, taking drugs, and wondering why there girlfriends are all pregnant with other peoples babies. So yes I do watch it, its the funniest show on TV. The Scots do enjoy making a spectacle of themselves on national TV, and they wonder why we laugh at them.

330 - Huh! Make sense before posting, you have a caveman like attitude. So let me translate what I have just said for you. Translation: Ugh Ugh UGGGHHH UGh Ugh Ugh UGGGGGHHHHHHH Ugh.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:16:03
Lock Stock and Barrel says 'you think". Well - yes. Can't you?
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:16:51
Nothing in the very vague White Paper either. Not just about the currency but about anything in general.

No wonder only a few thousand have bothered to download it.
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 16:17:11
Aw come oan noo Kimba, there's nae need for the capital letters!! We aw feel a wee bitty threatened when ye start throwin' the uppercase keys aboot!
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:18:28
340. Why do I get the feeling Arthurius and I are not from the same country?.....
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:19:49
Arthur Askey has a fit;

Ugh Ugh UGGGHHH UGh Ugh Ugh UGGGGGHHHHHHH Ugh.

Try divalproex with carbamazepine co-pharmacy.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:21:04
The english nationalist website has around 200,000 supporters. So before spouting figures about the English Nationalists check your facts. Just because only 4,000 people polled doesn't mean there is only 4,000 supporters. Again showing your idiocity.

You should all go back to signing on, taking drugs, and sleeping around. Lets re-erect the great wall of Hadrian! and keep you Scots out of the true home of all nations around this great planet.

Proud to be English! Proudly flying the battle ensign known as the St George Cross!
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:21:06
I see the english national party polled fewer seats at the last election then either the Cornish Nationalists!!!! Surprised we don't more members of Mebyon Kernow on this website...how strange.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:22:13
344 - EV says I'm not from England!
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Lock,

24/01/2008 16:22:54
#341,

OK then. Tell us how a seperate Scottish currency would have a value that would 'humiliate' our English cousins?

While you are at it you could tell us why this would be such a good thing? For example tell us why having cheaper imports and more expensive exports inside the former UK would be so good for Scotland?

Your floor...
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fona,

24/01/2008 16:23:52
Arthurius, so the ENP has 200,000 "supporters", but only 4,000 of them bothered to vote...who are the idiots here?????!! Lia, you really are a complete cretin, aren't you.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:26:19
350 well, you should know,as you seem to be as thick as your mother!
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:28:46
348. Oops! Y'muppet!
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:30:21
350. And as you are totally ignorant of the ENP affairs, I suggest you keep quite,as you may be in for a severe shock, not of your liking
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:31:54
349 - The English pound is the Strongest Currency on the planet. England as a whole would be around 23.5 million pounds better off if we cut off Scotlands handouts that we give them. Imports being cheaper does adversely affect the home economy but there are solutions to these things such as increasing import duties to make it more economical to buy from England. Exports at the moment are at an all time low due to the lack of things being produced in this country due to large scale companies shipping work to "sweat shops" in India, China, Taiwan, Korea and such like.

Scotland without the handouts would not survive, the North sea oil fields are drying up, along with the gas reserves. Which is the reason England now gets the majority from Sweden and Russia.

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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:32:49
350 - WTF is lia??
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 16:33:28
Kimba,

Howcome you're quick with the caps lock button with me, but that arthurius gets the lowercase treatment?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:33:28
The people of England have been badly let down, ignored and taken for granted by successive governments who have squandered our taxes on their granted by successive governments who have squandered our taxes on their political idealism. Let down by self serving career politicians whose only concern is their own advancement.

We are the only party that is listening to the people of England. Our views represent the common sense concerns of the silent majority. Our policies share one criteria - they put our country first.

Mike Tibby and Robin Tilbrook
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yolanda,

24/01/2008 16:34:43
I really don't see what all the fuss is about. I travel regularly between Scotland and England, and I am aware that in some cases, and in some places, Scottish banknotes are unlikely to be accepted. I just don't take them if I'm going south. It's no big deal. There are far more important issues than this. It's only a problem if you allow it to be one.

Where are all the multi-monikered nutters coming from today? Best ignored, methinks.
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:35:49
348. Who the **** is Arthurius, An Beal Bacht?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:36:30
AJ. As we say in England GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:36:45
349 Lock, Stock, and Barrel is Smokin Mad!

"OK then. Tell us how a seperate Scottish currency would have a value that would 'humiliate' our English cousins?"

England is bankrupt. The only way it can borrow money to keep its currency afloat is to maintain its control of North Sea oil. This has been admitted in various documents released under the thirty year rule.

Lock Demands Answers:

"While you are at it you could tell us why this would be such a good thing? For example tell us why having cheaper imports and more expensive exports inside the former UK would be so good for Scotland? "

Having a strong currency does not of necessity imply more expensive exports. When Scotland has the ability to reinvest in its infrastructure and retool its industrial base productivity will increase leading to lower production costs. Under labour our industries were allowed to deteriorate to a point where our only competitive edge was low labour costs.

If living in a low paid economy turns your crank you can always move to England - if you're not there already.
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 16:38:40
Yolanda#358,

You're always really well organised. Take your tidy wee shop for example on the square and also the way you straighten oot Patrick, after he's been with Big Pat Butcher.
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 16:39:56
Kimba,

See, you seem to save all the caps for me...it's no fair...sniff...
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:42:43
361. Still posting ill-informed nonsense?

How is England, with it's trillion+ pound economy, bankrupt again?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:43:06
AJ. That's because you are a troll!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:45:14
359 - EV loses the plot;

"Who the **** is Arthurius, An Beal Bacht?"

If you are asking me I can only say that he believes he's an English nationalist. Personally I don't believe him as English and Scots nationalists have common goals and would never sink to slagging each other off. If you are suggesting that I am Artie - take your meds.

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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:45:59
366. LOL.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:46:19
AJ didnt you notice that Fife is meant to go in the box marked Location....awww poor wee Scot can't read simple words.

HAHAHA
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Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 16:47:39
313#Arthurius Sycophant!!!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:48:21
The ward is in an uproar!
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:48:23
An Beal Bacht I am defending the English the way Arthurius did, by keeping all of you Picts behind that wall.

I am merely mocking the idiots on this board.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 16:49:52
AJ. Seems you are not flavour of the month!
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An English Voice™,

24/01/2008 16:51:07
So what was 348 all about then?

Looks suspiciously like a response to 344 but under the wrong username to me...
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 16:56:08
370 - Try looking up the definition of Sycophant before postingm and thank you very much for the compliment, I am being Insulting, and I have stated this previously. I am mocking the idiots on this board.

Heres the definition for the people who did not understand what 370 just said.

A sycophant (Gr. s???f??t??) is a servile person who, acting in their own self interest, attempts to win favor by flattering one or more influential people, with an undertone that this is at the cost of their own personal pride, principles, and peer respect.

In ancient Greece the word was the counterpart of the Roman "delator": a public informer.

According to ancient authorities, the word (derived by them from s??? suko, "fig", and fa??? fanes, "to show") meant one who informed against another for exporting figs (which was forbidden by law) or for stealing the fruit of the sacred fig-trees, whether in time of famine or on any other occasion (Plutarch, Life of Solon, 24, 2.). The Oxford English Dictionary, however, states that this explanation, though common, "cannot be substantiated", and suggests that it may refer instead to the insulting gesture of "making a fig" or to an obscene alternate meaning for "fig", namely sykon which means c**t.[1]

Another old explanation was that fines and taxes were at one time paid in figs, wine and oil, and those who collected such payments in kind were often called sycophants because they publicly handed them in.[citation needed]

AJ I do not even know who Kimba is, and if your into incest keep that to yourself, yet again proving that Scots are idiots. My point is being proven by the Morons on this board.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 16:58:30
375 - You posted:

"Why do I get the feeling Arthurius and I are not from the same country?....."

Since he maintains he is from West Brom - you must be from elswhere!
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:00:32
Methalions WTH, i have never been banned I have just joined the board today to have a bit of fun mocking the Scots, it has been rather easy with people like you on here. You defend the Scots from spain, you must be a deserter.

If you live in Spain dont you think you should be adopting the Spanish culture as your own? You are the reason the British are voted the worst people when going abroad.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:01:20
meths. How's the weather in Spain,hope you have sunshine,it's crap hear.
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AJ Fife,

24/01/2008 17:01:42
#377,

Sure you know who Kimba is! nudge nudge ;)

btw, try 'you're' instead of 'your', ya eejit!!
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Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 17:02:21
377# Fair enough,settle for Toady?
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:03:48
380: Shouldn't that read "English"? No matter where they go in the world Scots are still Scots. No matter where you go in the world you will still need to be medicated!
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:07:18
Are there any real anti-Scottish posters out there? Or are you just a bunch of school kids having a laugh?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:07:49
383. meths,has arthurius got you rattled! what a shame, LOL, WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK TO YOUR BELOVED SCOTLAND, or is that financially impossible!
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:08:25
379 - I do live in west Bromwich, part of the West Midlands, also referred to as The Black Country due to the industry in the area during the industrial revolution.
Home of such people as Frank Skinner, Jim Broadbent, and Ozzy Osbourne came from just down the road in Oldbury, along with Jasper Carrott. The place where such musical talent as Jamelia, Duran Duran, and UB40.
Under Dudley castle is a Maze of limestone Caverns which are hopefully being opened up to the public, the main cavern could house St. Pauls cathedral many times over.
Stone Cross the place where the St Georges day parade starts from, which is classed as being a part of Wednesbury, but was originally a part of Walsall which is outside of the borough of Sandwell.
I am Born and Raised in Hateley Heath, West Bromwich, so get over yourselves you moronic idiots.

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Lock,

24/01/2008 17:08:42
England is bankrupt! Figures, facts please. Or are you just talking phish. I know, we know. I notice that is your explaination for Scotland having a stronger currency. Yet more phish. Has it occured to you that Scotland is liable for UK borrowing too? No? The typical 'take all the assets but forget about the liabilities' attitude of many of the posters on here.

In this case having the stronger of the two currencies DOES imply having cheaper imports and more expensive exports. Simply (so you can understand) one currency, two countries, rate of exchange = 1:1. Then next week we suddenly have: the 2 same countries, one strong currency, one weak currency, rate of exchange = £S>£E therefore more expensive to buy Scottish and cheaper to buy English.

And the rest sounds like a wonderful tale of how everything is going to be so great in the future. How exactly it answers the question I don't know. You obviously missed out the assumption that England holds still - of course I forgot - England is 'bankrupt'.

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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:10:53
386. meths. Do not know, but he/she is really good.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:11:37
391 - I think you should direct this post to 375.
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Lock,

24/01/2008 17:11:59
Apologies,

#392 should be addressed to #361.
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:14:24
Arthurius - just in case you really are who you claim to be (and I doubt it) - if you rebuild Hadrian's Wall you are ceding Northumberland, including Newcastle, to Scotland.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:14:32
392:

Have it your way. Can I suggest that England peg its currency to the peso?
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:15:21
389 - I am a real Anti-Scottish poster due to the fact the Scots are Anti-English. I am not however Racist just Anti-Scots.

I cannot be bothered with all of you Scots anti-english pish-pash. I do not care what you people think of me, or say about me. I am merely here mocking your ancient ideals.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:16:11
396 - I like Geordies so can we no keep them?
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:17:20
And what is the loss of Northumberland and Newcastle? Nothing really, as long as we can keep you damn Picts behind that wall!
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:17:51
#391 - What do you get if you cross Lia with Wikipedia?
- Arthurius.
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Gothic Rose,

24/01/2008 17:17:53
LOL to all XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Bona Notte.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:18:16
398 - Ah'm feart - they big English galoots ur cawin me names! LOL
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:19:00
#399
Of course, I like them too.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/01/2008 17:19:27
As I previously stated, as long as the Scottish banknote has a lovely portrait of Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland it should be legal tender.

Vivat Regina! Vivat! Vivat! Vivat!
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/01/2008 17:19:28
As I previously stated, as long as the Scottish banknote has a lovely portrait of Her Britannic Majesty Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland it should be legal tender.

Vivat Regina! Vivat! Vivat! Vivat!
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:21:25
396.LOL,as i am from TEESSIDE, you can have newcastle,but you will never get TEESSIDE.
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An Beal Bacht,

24/01/2008 17:21:49
Artie - ye goat the 400 - yer only achievement the day.

Aff tae work - Auf Wiederhoren.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:23:13
TimW your in Canada, yet another misinformed deserter.

When Scotland joined the Union they forfeited having a Queen. The Queen is the Queen of England, not Scotland. Grow up, and correct your facts about the royal family.

403 - Meh your not even worth this sentence, but I thought I would type it anyway.
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:23:29
#407
Arthurius - as long as you promise to stay there.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:26:57
410. YOU ARE TRULY SARCOTIC, who the hell is arthurius?
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:27:25
401 - I do not even know Kimba so you need to grow up.

I am from West Bromwich, I attended Menzies High School, before attending Smethwick College and studying Metallurgy to HND level. I currently work for Corus Engineering Steels as a Laboratory Technician, based in the Stockholding site in Wednesbury.

How many more things about the West Midlands do you people need to know? I drink Regularly in a Pub called The Red Lion which is on All Saints Way, West Bromwich.

If any of you idiots doubt me, come down to the pub and meet some real true Englishmen!
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Rasco,

24/01/2008 17:28:05
Late 1950s in Liverpool in a pub asked for 2Pints 2Whisky's handed over Scots £1 can't take that I was told, all I have I said, sorry can't take it,ok fine by me just left, what about this drink was asked your problem I said.Was served in next pub same money no problem.Have 2 English daughter in laws 2 English G/Childern,not anti English but I still vote SNP as only party who has Scotlands real interest at heart.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:30:25
413 - SNP are an anti-english party, they don't make a song and dance about it, but they truly are Anti-english, have you not seen the SNP supporters Anti-English drivel on this website.
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:33:37
#411
What the heck is 'sarcotic'?
And you don't know who arthurius is? LOL
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:44:44
moiaussi - are you really an aussie? if so learn to spell aussie, you f*****g idiot.
You have a rugby team who cannot play rugby, maybe your cricketers are not too bad, but cricket is a game invented for people with too much time on their hands.
England invented most sports on the planet. What sports did the Scots invent? Tossing a Caber perhaps....thowing a log down a field, its nearly as bad as the Welsh Welly Wangers....LMFAO, you Celtic nations have some odd sports.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:44:44
#415 i dont quite get the just of your question, do you mean i dont no the poster on this forum calling themself Arthurius or i dont no the historical figure?
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:48:37
#416 #417

Arthurius/Kimba/whatever

moi aussi! Nothing to do with Australia.

The 'just' of my question is what does 'sarcotic' mean.

(Is this some wind up or are you 'two' for real - as much as you can be?)
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 24/01/2008 17:50:32
How the f**k do i know what sarcotic means? Im off to find some more people to annoy.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:51:46
for the love of everything that is holy, will you stop clumping me together with someone else, i have no idea who they are.

and i ment cycotic
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moiaussi,

24/01/2008 17:53:26
#420 Ah, you meant 'cycotic' - what is that?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 17:57:37
sorry having a bad spelling day lol, psychotic, but to be honest who cares how you spell it, thats not the point. we dont come on here to have pick on people for spelling mistakes, it is ment to be a place to debate, not a place to slag other people off who have differing opinions to yourselves.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 18:13:18
#422 Kimba: I only come to this site because I don't have much else to do. What about you?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 18:21:18
just come on here to air a few views and have a debate.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 18:25:20
I'm not really as convinced by the SNP as I make out you know, but talking about SNP policies is the best way to stir people up. They're nothing if not controversial.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 18:28:33
Meths. Take that as a yes then.
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Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 18:31:52
#426 Meths: how much longer do you think you've got left then?
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kimba,

24/01/2008 18:41:50
meths, isn't it time for tea,sorry,do you have tea in spain!
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Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 18:42:58
#432 Meths: bet you don't live to see independence! Bet Swinney hopes he doesn't either!
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Ayrshire Scot™,

24/01/2008 18:51:21
#432 Meths: why does being not living in Scotland make you a frothing at the mouth Nat? What is it with you? Why do you think I'm fake, more to the point?
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 19:12:51
435
Because the real Ayrshire would never make such crass comments.
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jerrymanders,

Inventing useful things, not play time. 24/01/2008 19:16:28
#416

The Scots were too busy inventing things that were useful, including "The Bank of England"!!!!!! You stick to your games.
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kimba,

24/01/2008 19:17:26
426.Naw,because the real Ayrshire wouldn't be so polite
321

kimba,

24/01/2008 19:18:35
sorry meant 436.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 19:23:17
439
Knew who you meant kimba;-)
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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 19:27:03
#17 An Beal Bacht: I've allways thought about refusing thoes pound coins with picture of the bridge on it, which appeared a few years ago. They look fake!!! WhenI get them I'm always wondering if they are real coins or no!!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 19:39:28
#369 Arthurius:
Here a present for ye!!!!
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107652.html


http://www.jewfaq.org/israel.htm
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d.j.,

24/01/2008 19:44:05
Once more i read in the newspapers that those who live in Scotland are so Scottish and not British they are.

Well after 7 days in the USA and 3 days in England and now having returned to Scotland I fail to see how the Scots are any different from the English.
I went to a pub in England and on coming back to Scotland went to one here. Same music playing, same food being eaten, same clothes being worn, same television programmes being watched and it really is difficult to spot the differences. Oh yes there was one the Scottish bank notes were neither accepted in either the USA or London. Is this all that is different between Scotland and England?

At least in the United States in the long established Scottish and Highland communities they have an understanding of things Gaelic and don't try and be like the English all the time as Scots here do.

When are the Scots here going to be like the English/British and stop aping their every move.
The Scots not British that's a Joke.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 20:02:43
443
And when you were in the States you may have seen men wearing trousers,perhaps drinking beer and watching many of the same tv programmes that the Scots and English do...
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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 20:06:01
#443 d.j.: Yer a wind up merchant!!!

Personally I've never tried to be anything other than Scottish. I've never felt/ feel Birittish and being labeled it feels like a stigma.

I don't feel any more connected to the English than I do to the French, Germans and other European nationalities. And YES I have talk to people from other European countries and YES I feel equal connected to them at the same level as I do with England/ English. BUT feel more connected to the Irish BUT NOT as much as I do Scottish.

Being Scottish is omportant to us Scots.

Being Birittish is something that is sufficating and creates an elusion to some people.

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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 20:06:51
#444 Conan the Librarian™,: Good wan!!!
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Martyk,

sussex 24/01/2008 20:28:05
what is the only foreign bank which can issue UK banknotes ?
330

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 20:55:32
#443
You need to choose your pubs better.
331

moiaussi,

24/01/2008 20:57:07
Any one who judges a country's culture from a single visit to a pub isn't much of a judge.
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Hunky Dorey,

Glasgow 24/01/2008 20:58:30
# 17 An Beal Bacht..... Please do not show me the poor mouth. Scottish bank notes do not have equality on the island of Britain because Scotland is in the eyes of many,a province of England,and who can blame peoples from other independent states for thinking so.One only has to go to ibrox park to see how low Scottish mankind can grovel to its English masters.
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jerrymanders,

Arrogance, and they cannot see it. 24/01/2008 21:07:31
#443

"When are the Scots here going to be like the English/British..."

We never will as long as there are people like you. Thank God.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 24/01/2008 21:13:30
Does ANYBODY really care about the background and education of Arthurius as he so laboriously and arrogantly stated at posting 322.

There are "The Honours of Scotland" and Elizabeth the Second touches them when she opens your Parliament. There are some Scots who do not recognise Queen Elizabeth the Second of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and All Her Other Realms and Territories as Queen Regnant of Scotland and prefer to term HM as Queen Elizabeth the First of Scotland.

I am merely reiterating what has been posted with regard to her status in Scotland in the minds of some Scots - a minority, I think.
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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 21:44:50
#451 Hunky Dorey: How many Scots do that!!!

Think Rangers has more than just a Scottish fan base!!!

#452 Chairman Gordon: Think Celitic has more than just a Scottish fan bases.

Personaly I'm a fan of nither and as of yet I've never waved a flag in my life!!!!
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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 21:48:27
#454 TimW1234,: The poor wee thing appears to be missing or looking for Israel.
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yoric,

England 24/01/2008 21:55:07
"English Banknotes are only legal tender in England and Wales" but the new English 20 pound note has a Scotsman, 'Adam Smith' on the back of it.
We can't work it out either, we think somebody at the bank of England was trying to look good in front of Gordon Brown when the design was submitted.
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Eve,

Scotland 24/01/2008 22:04:09
#457 yoric,: Ahh may be it's because "Virtue is more to be feared than vice, because its excesses are not subject to the regulation of conscience."

Apparently!!!!!! Don't fully understand Philosophy though!!!

http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jun/smith.html
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 22:33:35
Just had a wee scrool throught the pish on this thread today - who's this moron Arthurius?

Makes me (almost) yearn for kimba's ramblings . . .

This guys seems to think he is funny but he can't hold a candle to the like of Meths, the Master or EV!!
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

24/01/2008 22:34:38
#461 That was of course a wee SCROLL through . . .
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TerryH,

England 24/01/2008 22:46:06
# 473 "The Scots were too busy inventing things that were useful..."

The English though were also inventing many more, and much more useful things than any other nation on the planet.
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TerryH,

England 24/01/2008 22:47:35
...er, that was meant to read 437, not 473. Sorry future poster, just slipped through a time warp.
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Conan the Librarian™,

24/01/2008 23:12:27
462
A few examples perhaps?
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Dave Scott,

St Albans 25/01/2008 06:33:50
30 eddylongwhanks:

In all the mutuality about respective (technical) non-legality of tender ... the comments have been about inequality of acceptance. Either we Scots are more gullible or less rude by accepting BofE notes.

Good ol' BofE ... (Wiki) "The bank was founded by the Scotsman William Paterson, in 1694 to act as the English government's banker. He proposed a loan of £1.2m to the government; in return the subscribers would be incorporated as The Governor and Company of the Bank of England with long term banking privileges including the issue of notes. Only £750,000 of these funds were ever deposited with the Bank, the rest was generated by Fractional Reserve Banking. The Royal Charter was granted on July 27 through the passage of the Tonnage Act of 1694. Public finances were in so dire a condition at the time that the terms of the loan were that it was to be serviced at a rate of 8% per annum, and there was also a service charge of £4000 per annum for the management of the loan. The first governor was Sir John Houblon, who is depicted in the £50 note issued in 1990. The charter was renewed in 1742, 1764, and 1781. The Bank was originally constructed above the ancient Temple of Mithras, London at Walbrook, dating to the founding of Londinium in antiquity by Roman garrisons. Mithras was, among other things, considered the god of contracts, a fitting association for the Bank. In 1734 the Bank moved to its current location on Threadneedle Street, slowly acquiring the land to create the edifice seen today"
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 25/01/2008 07:14:20
Look at that, you have just been served by two Scotsmen, LMFAO!

Now how does that make you feel you English wannabe's, embrace the true Pict in yourself and learn to speak the 'olde' language. That may be the only way of you being able to stand up and say that you are truly Scots, and not Brits.

Why we needed a history of the Bank of England I do not know. Simple fact, England asked a Scotsman to sort it out and he did, Slavery was born!!! hahaha

It is so easy to mock you idiots on here. Scots waving Irish flags, makes me laugh. A nation of confused people, I know a fitting song for you all, its called 'Land of Confusion' and was made by Genesis. Quit fitting seeing as though you Scots are trying your hardest to be English, and even Irish...lmao.

Go eat ya haggis you confused ENGLISH province!! LMFAO!! you got weighed, measured and found wanting!

"And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England's mountains green
And was the holy lamb of God
On England's pleasant pastures seen

And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among those dark Satanic mills

Bring me my bow of burning gold
Bring me my arrows of desire
Bring me my spears o'clouds unfold
Bring me my chariot of fire

I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land"

ENGLISH THROUGH AND THROUGH!
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An Beal Bacht,

25/01/2008 07:22:31
Aye - England's green and peasant land! Nuff Said.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 25/01/2008 07:23:02
456 - missing looking for Israel.....lmao! I know the route to Jerusalem, I know the way the pilgrims went, being protected by the Knights Hospitaliers, and the Knights Templar on their way through the lands of the Saracens. If your going to try and be smart, try choosing a subject that i cannot as easily mock you about.

Poor un-educated Scots, go back to throwing your 'wee loggies doon a graass feeld, und eetin yaa haggus'

"I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land!"

Brings a tear to my eye, True Patriotism!

England will always be the super power that ran the world, this cannot be changed.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 25/01/2008 07:25:34
I think you will find at the time of the holy wars the Picts were a rabble of peasants who rampaged murdering anyone they could, while the English military had Long bows, quality crafted swords, shields and suits of armour.

An Beal Bacht you may want to re-visit your education in the area of History! as I said..poor un-educated Scot.
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TerryH,

England 25/01/2008 07:52:15
#464 Mr Librarian, may I call you Conan?

I’m pleased you asked me that question. We haven’t met before have we? (slips English £5 note into top pocket). No? Good, well where do I start?

I could give small examples such as hydraulics or Portland cement, but they really pale into insignificance when compared to the earth shattering, human race altering, world defining English inventions, such as…

industrialisation, the Derby’s foundry in Shropshire
the jet engine, Whittle
the steam engine, Newcomen
the Steam locomotive, Thevithick and Stephenson
steel ships, Brunel
the electronic computer, Tommy Flowers’ Colossus
the World Wide Web, Tim Berners-Lee
Parliamentary democracy (isn’t it ironic that we don’t have one? Maybe we should do something about it)

English intellectual giants also shaped the world in which we live, despite not inventing anything, for example…

Faraday, electricity
Newton, the earth sucks
Darwin, who not only explained the origins of species but also explained the origins of some of the posts here (not bad for someone who's been dead for more than a hundred years!).

Pretty impressive for such a small nation I’d say and this isn’t counting the sports played by millions around the globe.
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 25/01/2008 08:22:46
Well said.

I was myself about to create a post like this one...lol

You are missing some key things though:

The fire extinguisher, Ambrose Godfrey
Friction Match, John walker (without these Darwin described creatures we call Scots would still be without fire)
Light Bulb, Humphry Davy
Lifeboats, William Wouldhave and Lionel Lukin
Stainless Steel, Harry Brearley
First Man Made Pastic, Alexander Parkes (the first man made plastic was called parkesine, named after the inventor)

Theres a lot more where that came from such as tarmac, the vacuum cleaner, the lawn mower, baking powder, the bouncing bomb, this list is endless...All invented by Englishmen.

The Scots invented Caber tossing, and Irn Bru, they can't even spell Iron Brew, shows the lack of intelligence I have mentioned a few times.

I would like to see the WORLD wide impact Scots have made with their inventions, oh they haven't. Poor wee Scots.
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Strict Ivan Jellicoe,

Renfrew 25/01/2008 09:21:40
Try going in to any shop in anywhere in good old Scotland, and use Manx, Jesrey or Irish poubd note and see what happens.
Get it festering and hard right up ye!
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Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 25/01/2008 10:16:22
Try going into any shop in England and using Manx, Irish or SCOTTISH money, only big high street retailers wil accept them. Small businesses will turn you away.

I know this after being landed with damn scottish money after a trip to visit Edinburgh. I had to take it to the bank and pay it in so I could get some real money to use rather then that funny money you lot use.
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25/01/2008 11:11:58
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steveh3,

Reay 25/01/2008 13:00:55
Reading the comments in this blog raise a few issues for me.
It looks like scots money is not truely legal tender in the rest of the uk,which is obviously a poor state of affairs, but it is indicative of the overbearing attitude of westminster and the toadying shown by many scots.
Scotland is in the process of gaining self rule and looking towards its destiny.

This can not happen soon enough, we will create own financial and government controls, which will mean as, is the case now, when traveling in europe, we use the euro.
I lived in england for nearly 15 years and have many good friends their, but there is a general underlying feeling that they are superior above all others (not just the scots), the arrogant comments made by some of those south of the border are not unusual, lets leave to themselves alone, punching above their weight and hanging onto americas tails and their belief they are a super power, while we move on.
Steve H

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lush,

25/01/2008 13:20:59
no one cares what you think Arthurius! Your just another example of the pathetic English race that we will be crushing at Murrayfield on 8th March.
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Simon63,

Plymouth 25/01/2008 19:03:53
I was asked by my local newsagent if the Scottish fiver I offered him was legal. I said 'YES' because I thought it was. I was very surprised but have never been asked in Scotland if my English notes are valid. How quirky.
We're all British that's what I say, so what!
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New Town Resident,

25/01/2008 19:15:05
They are not Scottish notes in the sense they are issued by the reserve National Bank of the country - Scotland does not have a reserve bank.

What they are is simply advertising by private banks with links to Scotland so it plays well with the local consumer. At one time Lloyds and Barclays issued notes as well, and Coutts (the toffs bank based in London) still does. I believe Lloyds, Barclays notes(as was), or Coutts and RBS notes today all have exactly the same status. Note Coutts is owned by RBS but Coutts notes don't look particularly Scottish do they?
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New Town Resident,

25/01/2008 19:24:28
- re my post 478 having read some of the other emails seems there is a lot of confusion as to what constitutes "money"

- there is no such thing as Scottish money, or English money, there is only Sterling issued by the reserve bank. Notes are not money as such, they are simply pieces of paper which people accept in lieu of money.

Plenty of institutions are allowed to issue notes provided they make the appropriate money deposit with the Central Bank (the BOE). Most don't bother anymore because its not worth the effort unless you want to use it as an advertising medium. The notes issued by the likes of RBS don't claim to be Scottish notes, just RBS notes, and as I explained they also issue their own notes in England.
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Martyk,

Sussex 25/01/2008 19:30:01
Oh well As nobody bothered answereing my question Ill answer it meself. The only foreign bank permitted to issue British banknotes is the Bank of Ireland,.
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New Town Resident,

25/01/2008 19:30:52
- re post 473

small retailers don't like non BOE notes not because they are arrogant but because they are charged a fee by the clearing banks to convert them. the same would happen with a Coutt's notes. its got absolutely nothing to do with them being Scottish, simply they haven't been issued by the resreve bank. What Scots really should be lobbying for is maybe the BOE either changing its name and/or issuing bank notes with more of a Scottish touch (note the BOE does issue Scottish pound coins) so you don't feel the need to use RBS adverts and cause the poor old English shopkeeper a bill from his bank (probably also owned by RBS).
361

An Beal Bacht,

25/01/2008 20:12:00
Our English cousins should be reassured that when Scotland is independent we won't let you lot starve. We quite like the English. So when your government needs to borrow a few quid - nae problemo. The rate of interest will, of course, be sub-prime.
362

Mary Bell,

26/01/2008 07:35:32
What, exactly, is the logical objection?

If it is best for the prosperity and well being of the people, it should be done.

On the other hand, what, then, is the objection for use of "Common Law' tender?

The financial well-being of ONE branch of the kingdom, may be an inspiration to others.

Who stands to loose (or profit less?)???
363

Arthurius,

England, the promised land! 27/01/2008 13:46:20
476 - Do I really need to remind you about the World Cup, Scotland couldn't even manage to get out of the group stage, and let me think where England managed to get...THE FINAL!

Scotland will never have a rugby team as good as England, now grow up and go throw some logs around. Do sports your good at, which is the ones not many other countries play, like Curling, Caber Tossing, and Haggis eating!

 

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