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Published Date: 08 June 2008
HILLARY Clinton last night bowed out of her nomination campaign and announced her full support for rival Barack Obama.
"I endorse him and throw my full support behind him," she told cheering crowds of supporters in Washington. "I am standing with Senator Obama today to say yes we can," she said, referring to his campaign slogan.

"The way to continue our fight is t
o take our energy, our passion, our strength and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama the next president of the United States."

She told her audience at the National Building Museum that she was the latest in a long line of fighters for women's rights: "If we could blast 50 women into space we will one day launch a woman into the White House."

Clinton made no mention of any future role in Obama's campaign, amid efforts by her supporters to persuade her rival to accept her as his vice presidential nominee. Obama did not watch the speech, preferring to play a game of golf.

Clinton was left to rue a series of mistakes that saw her fortunes turn in less than six months from front runner to runner-up.

"If you'd said six months ago or eight months ago that she was not going to be the nominee I would have been extremely surprised," said David Gergen, a former advisor to presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Clinton.

The rot began last year when, confident she was far ahead in the polls, Clinton failed to send staff to the smaller states where Obama was quietly setting up branch offices.

It continued when Clinton failed to harness the power of the internet, used by Obama to raise record sums of money with an army of 1.5 million donors.

The shockwave felt when Obama won the first primary in Iowa pushed her campaign off balance and it never fully recovered.

She sacked campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle in February but saw her rival surge ahead after the 22-state votes on Super Tuesday.

Clinton's husband Bill compounded her problems when his criticism of Obama led the media to label him her "attack dog." And when in April Clinton falsely claimed to have endured sniper fire during a visit to Bosnia, many felt the strain was starting to show.

She was blamed for throwing race into the equation by claiming she was the candidate of the "white, hard-working" voters.

Meanwhile, funding problems saw her loan her campaign £5m from her own pocket, helping to rack up a debt of £15m. Now she has reportedly asked Obama to join her in an appeal for cash from ordinary voters to pay off the loans.



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Nicolasa,

Madison, WI 08/06/2008 06:22:40
I would to commend Mrs. Hillary Clinton's support for the democratic nominee: Senator Barack Obama for President of the United States. From now on, as a Latina who supports Barack Obama from day one, I am confident that she will strongly encourage all her delegates and supporters to endorse Senator Barack Obama for President. We need to unite around him and get the White House back. There are so many issues dear to all the American, the only candidate who can bring change to the Washington establishments is Senator Barack Obama. I am so proud of the campaign he is running. We need all people who are for change to unite now. Many Latinos are supporting him and women as well.
Let's work for a bright future for all!!
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Alannah,

08/06/2008 12:23:50
Perhaps one of these days American voters will actually get the candidate most of them voted for ... but much like the 2000 Presidential election it looks like the 2008 Democratic selection is not going to be the ground breaker.
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celtic4,

USA 08/06/2008 14:33:32
#2,3, I don't really think you know what you're talking about. Clinton is no monster. Besides, I don't think that the "changes" Obama talks of will come to pass, and if they do it won't be what we really need. He gives no one an idea of WHAT sort of changes he intends to make, and Congress can veto any bill he puts forward. Sad state of affairs. McCain is the man.
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Graeme F,

08/06/2008 15:23:53
Americans are daft for having such faith that their politicians will change the world. No politician has ever done that without advocating extremism of the worst and most unsustainable kind. Even the Nat activists in here seem to have jumped on the same bandwagon, believing the rays of the sun to eminate from the rear end of their guy! Such misguidedness!
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 15:44:59
I sympathize with Nicolasa in #1 as she has faith that Obama will provide change and we do need change. but I also sympathize with NuLaborScum in #'s 3 & 4.

to me Obama's appeal is that he offers a small possibility of change. On an overall basis when you look at the big picture I feel he wants to continue 98% of the current policies. Maybe Hilary wants to continue 99% and Mccain 100%.

NuLaborScum is right that Ron Paul is the one who would provide real change. Our country is on a very bad path. Even if Obama does wish to serve the people, then he will be up against a clique that rules us that is very evil and very powerful. When carter was president the Federal Reserve raised interest rates enormously to destroy the economy so that carter could be discredited. If they are unhappy with the president they can create economic disaster or worse in order to intimidate or destroy a president. That is why Paul's approach of eliminating the Federal Reserve is the only rational approach. You must see these people for what they are, as enemies, in order to defeat them.

The way the Fed Reserve actually works is it functions as a landlord in feudal times that takes 8-10% of everything the Americans produce and returns nothing. It is like a huge tax giving money to very rich people. We cannot confront our economic problems unless we eliminate this tax.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 08/06/2008 15:56:57
There are so many things that Americans don't know about Obama because the press does not print them. He has lied about his father. He was no "freedom fighter". He was actually part of the most corrupt and violent gov't in Africa. He has changed his American name from Barry to Barak. The press prints Hillary Rodham Clinton, but not Barak Hussein Obama. It is his name.
Anyone who questions his true ties he calls "racist".
He has proclaimed he will give $834 Billion taxpayer dollars to the Muslim controlled UN for use in Africa.
This is just for starters.
His wife hates white America, and you can't question them on any issue involving Africa or Islam, because that is seen as "bigoted racism"; 2 words too powerful to allow us to be informed on the facts.
Why are there and were there several Nation of Islam followers on his Senatorial and campaign staffs?
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE PRESS?
Where is the same press that placed every Presidential candidate under the microscope of detailed scrutiny? Where is the press that persued the Skull and Bones Club, or ran other candidates off with PERSISTANT DETECTIVE AND RESEARCH WORK?
Why has the american main stream media not told us what we want and need to know? Since when did they become weak,timid and silent? Why aren't they telling us that Obama which organizations are supporting Obama, and who they are affiliated with? They report nothing negative.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 08/06/2008 16:05:22
continued..
3 years after the Iranian revolution, a formal plan was devised in 1982.
In 1991 Mohamed Akram summarized this plan. Akram is an operative of the global Muslim Brotherhood. 'The process of settlement' of Muslims in America, is a civilization jihad process'.

Are we supposed to become another "nation of Islam" ?

Is that the change for America that Obama talks about?
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 16:19:26
one of the most endearing things about Obama is that the insane war-monger neo-cons like lynne hate him so. She says his father was a part of a corrupt government. But in reality his father was persecuted severely by that government, they forbid anyone in the country to employ him for the last 15 years of his life, he died in absolute poverty. he was a rebel to the government, just like barak said. barack used the name 'barry' as a child as a nick-name. and so he's a liar Lynne says.

Lynne loves war, death & destruction. as she hates Obama, many people are drawn to Obama.
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Native Guide,

Washington, DC 08/06/2008 16:48:39
Our national suicide by ballot, started in Iowa, continues. Half the nation happily brainwashed clean of any sense. Looks like 220 years is going to be it. Life mimics Putney Swope.
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Portree,

A short ride from of Oban 08/06/2008 16:59:53
#11 Wally

You are a sick and offensive person by saying Lynn loves war, death and destruction.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 17:15:31
#13, but it is true based on her views expressed here.

we should pull all the troops home from all 70 countries we have them in. here's an article written by an American in Asia times about what the war is doing to Americans participating.

http://atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JF07Ak01.html

The Iraq war was completely unprovoked. The Iraqis did not attack us and were not in danger of doing so. The history of Iraq & US since the mid 1950's is that Iraq has been the victim of US policy. Saddam Hussein was sheltered from arrest & execution by the Iraqi government when Saddam was 18. saddam was a murderer as a teenager and the Iraqi government wanted to punish him. the US protected him, taking him to Egypt, giving him money every month, giving him CIA training. Then the US helped him become their leader. The Iraqis were the victims. and then the US attacked them. The war is death & destruction. Lynne supports it.

and she supports other wars as well. The US created a war in Somalia despite that there was no reason to do so. The US created a war in Afghanistan despite that there was no reason to do so. Lynne loves every single one of these wars and wants more. That is not my opinion, that is fact.

Only anti-American Americans support these wars. that is Lynne if there ever was one.
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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 17:52:05
Wally-
Is this a lie?

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/juancarloscruz/gG5BSr


The above link is Obama's web site:


".. for those interested in learning how can we change this country from the current capitalist unfair system, into a real socialist, democratic system for all. This capitalist system of Bush and his cronies only benefit the upper classes. USA needs a 21st Century Socialist, Democratic and Participative system for the workers and people of this country, without fascism, without wars, but with peace, equality, socialism and love."


1. How the Jewish Lobby Works
2. The Jews are corrupting American politics
3. A Jewish Police State Is Coming
4. 9-11 & The Jewish Gatekeepers, Jews hide the evidence
5. The three dangerous Jews
6. Big Brother Jew is watching you at Homeland Security
7. 3 Goals of the New World Order Jews

etc. etc. etc.

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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 18:07:23
@14 Wally,
You have crossed the line of civility.


The remarks you made about Lynne are untrue, despicable and unprovoked; most of all they are offensive.
They are offensive to me. They are offensive to anyone who has a heart and understands that Lynne speaks from her heart in hope for a peaceful world.

You, Wally, have shown that you are heartless.
It must be that once and for all you have truly lost whatever vestigial sanity you cling to. I don't want to believe that another citizen of this great US can be this hateful toward a person who wants peace for Israel, so I prefer to believe that your mind is fried and you don't know what you're saying.

Apologize.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 21:51:02
carolyn:

the link you put up comes up to the obama site, but without the content that you mention and an error says that it can't be found. Perhaps part of your link's url is falsified, or outdated. I note that his web site allows people to blog there. Perhaps if you donate you can blog, something like that. There are many comments by many people. Perhaps the content you showed us came from a prankster putting something up there that has been removed. Or perhaps you've lied completely. All we know is it doesn't come up as you said.

and anyone with sense knows that Obama wouldn't say those things. Obama is as I said above about 98% behind the people that rule us. The 7 things you put up are inconsistent with Obama's record.

but John Kennedy rebelled from the people that rule us. that is why he started to create money through the government rather than the Federal Reserve, he did that 7-8 months before his death. He was essentially undercutting the federal reserve, taking their business and their profit from them. JFK also said (a week before his death) that he would smash the CIA. He had strong conflicts with Israel which he & others kept private, but documents release show this occurred. He was instructing his people to withdraw troops from vietnam not long before his death also. JFK was a man who did not show strong signs of rebelling against the ones who rule us during his election campaign. but in office he did rebel. We are hoping that Obama will do the same.

My advice for Obama if he rebels - replace the secret service agents assigned to guard you with people you can trust. Find military officers you can trust and promote them to the top positions. Always keep a military guard around you and indoctrinate them to protect you from all challenges. and be careful.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 22:06:23
carolyn:

I solved the problem of your fake Obama site in #17. read this link.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=1080

read the text there and click to the fake Obama site to see. Once I gave you the url of the freeRepublic.com. I did that because personality-wise you would really fit in there. That is a site for republican fascists. Note the headline, it says 'stupid freepers fall for fake obama site'. I told you you were a freeper before you even knew. and I told you that the info you put up in 17 was a fake before I knew it was for sure. Now I know, that site was put up by pranksters like I said.

I can't help it if your intelligence level is low carolyn. Example - it is obvious to the casual observer (who has a brain) that those who favor war after war after war the way McCain and McCain-supporters like you & Lynne love war and death and destruction. If you knew anything about what war is, then you'd know it for this. If you had any empathy or sympathy for either the Americans participating in those wars or for the victim nationalities, then you'd know this as well.

2/3's of the Americans favor pulling all troops out of Iraq. When I first said this on this board the usual culprits (pro-war nuts) said I was lying. then I put up links to document. In the last 2 years literally several dozen polls taken in the US have shown this. And 3 times people said I was a liar when I said that in 2006 a poll by Zogby showed that 72% of US troops stationed in Iraq actually think it best for Bush to withdraw all troops from Iraq people said I was a liar and insane, etc. each time I put up a link to show it to be true.

The pro-war nuts who participate here do in fact love war and death and destruction. They do not represent our country. They would be diagnosed as psychotic if a psychiatrist were to really take on the case.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 22:24:50
Carolyn:

here's a link to the real obama web site.

http://www.barackobama.com/index.php

Note how it does not say 'my' in the front. you were tricked with the info in #17. Such is the nature of the incredible anti-Obama propaganda circulating on the internet the last 6 weeks. And during this time Obama's popularity has surged. Its just like I said above, people who hate also hate Obama very easily and this helps Obama's image.

There was a story about how Obama sponsored legislation that said something I forgot what and many news sites carried that story. Even Alex Jones carried it. and when people researched it the legislation said no such thing.

Same thing happened with Michelle Obama's college thesis paper. Stories were circulated quoting from that paper. and then the actual paper was shown to contain no such thing. This has been a real phenomenon in America lately concerning Obama.

I'm a Ron Paul supporter. I only defend Obama because I love the truth.

Note how they seethe with anger and hatred. They love war & death and destruction. so much so that their minds barely function.
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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 22:35:10
D'uh.
It was taken down it had so many hits from being linked by LGF, Gene Reynolds, HotAir, etc. Little Green Footballs had 300 comments.

This guy has a photo of it before it was taken down.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/06/official-obama-blog-explains-how-jewish.html

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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 22:51:24
#21,22
As the bearer of truth Wally, I can tell you 'comments' that you refer to, are just comments. They are not news from notable respected journalists. Furthermore, this isn't about Farrakhan. It's about Black Liberation Theology and Marxism, and Obama's hidden core values. He's a snake with a politician's suit.

LGF is just one of many journalists who carried this story about the socialists,- lifted from the Obama site:

".. for those interested in learning how can we change this country from the current capitalist unfair system, into a real socialist, democratic system for all. This capitalist system of Bush and his cronies only benefit the upper classes. USA needs a 21st Century Socialist, Democratic and Participative system for the workers and people of this country, without fascism, without wars, but with peace, equality, socialism and love."


LGF is a respected news organization. That you don't recognize them as journalists is because you don't live in reality and haven't the faintest idea what's true.

They're nut jobs???
Hahahahaha


As for Ms. Obama's paper- I read that piece of garbage months ago... her brother's paper is no different. They feel America owes them, and owes them big time. They're elitists and Marxists deeply rooted with Black Liberation. They're also morally bankrupt.

Obama will destroy the democratic party.
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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 23:03:07
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/08/obama-community-blogs-bring-hope-change-to-enemies-of-jewish-lobby//

Obama community blogs bring hope, change to enemies of “Jewish lobby”;
Update: Post disappeared
posted at 3:09 pm on June 8, 2008

Via Israel Matzav, enjoy this while it lasts because soon the only trace of that nifty “Jew Senator Lieberman” graphic that accompanies it will be in Google’s cache. Not an isolated incident either, as Charles Johnson helpfully notes.

Another day, another constituency laboring under the assumption that Barry O’s not a true blue Zionist at heart. For all his vaunted communication skills, the poor guy seems to be surrounded by people who misunderstand him, and vice versa — Wright, Pfleger, Rezko, critics of Israel. What’s a rhetorical genius have to do to get the people who know him and love him best to take him seriously?

Update: Not only is the post gone, but Charles says they’ve gone the extra mile and taken measures to scrub it from the Google cache and Internet archive too. (How is that possible?) Note to self: Next time you see something like this at Obama HQ, be sure to screencap. Luckily, Charles was way ahead of me.


And you want Obama - the corrupt wind-bag as your leader????



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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 23:04:08
Ooops meant to say that the above paragraph was a direct lift from Hot Air., link provided, or just google: Hot Air.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 08/06/2008 23:17:12
carolyn, its just like I said in 19 - that text you quoted was put up by someone not with the Obama campaign, it was in a blog section of their web site. When it was discovered by moderator it was taken down. but not before someone took a copy of it and put it on a new web page with the 'my' in front, fakery to make it look like official obama web site. the url you quoted had the 'my' in it. you were fooled.

this is the level of insanity the pro-war nuts dip to. and our whole communication system surrounding the election is poisoned by it.

any American who is pro-war is anti-American. I think that is obvious to anyone who's looked at it all carefully. and if you're persistently pro-war and you are in favor of all wars the way McCain & his supporters are, that means you love death & destruction whether you admit it or not.

McCain is like that. 2 of his adult chldren are serving in the military. 1 has already been to Iraq, 1 is headed there. Some military people do indoctrinate their own children in this manner.
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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 23:46:06
Lest you forget Wally, We're waiting for the apology to Lynne
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Carolyn 1,

08/06/2008 23:58:05
Wacko Wally said to me: "...fakery to make it look like official obama web site. the url you quoted had the 'my' in it. you were fooled. this is the level of insanity the pro-war nuts dip to. and our whole communication system surrounding the election is poisoned by it. "

HERE'S A NEWS FLASH

It IS the official Obama website.

IT HAS A DONATE BUTTON !!!!


"Socialists for Obama
This blog is for those interested in learning how can we change this country from the current capitalist unfair system, into a real socialist, democratic system for all. This capitalist system of Bush and his cronies only benefit the upper classes. USA needs a 21st Century Socialist, Democratic and Participative system for the workers and people of this country, without fascism, without wars, but with peace, equality, socialism and love
"http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/juancarloscruz

Here's a real gem:

"we must break our satanic matrimony with Israel elites, and lobbies. This country cannot keep on waging wars on behalf of Israel. I don't hate Israel and Israelites. I love the country of Israel and all Israelites. What i hate is some Israeli wealthy elites, AIPAC and other zionist jewish lobbies, destroying our economic, and political freedoms.It is time for Israel to stop oppressing and killing Palestines. The real danger in the Middle East is not Iran, Syria or Pakistan, but Israeli Occupation Forces"
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57Nomad,

california 09/06/2008 01:51:27
#7 Graeme

G. said:

"Americans are daft for having such faith that their politicians will change the world."

Is that right? Do the names G. Washington and T. Jefferson ring a bell?
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57Nomad,

california 09/06/2008 02:00:16
#11 Wally

Wally said:

"Lynne loves war, death & destruction"

Wally you know better than to say something like that. It is the dopey goofballs like you that encourage the belligerent and aggressive tyrants. Talk is cheap, saying you are for peace is not the same as taking action to bring peace. You are an agent of decay. Only the fact that you are a hopeless lunatic keeps you in my prayers.

You're a good hearted guy and it pains me to see you lose control over yourself and accuse someone of loving war because they have a different opinion than you have. Who put you up to this anyway? Was it your puppet masters at the other website you infest? Every time you make these bombastic and hysterical statements it diminishes anything of substance that you might otherwise have to say.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 09/06/2008 02:06:49
Carolyn1, never expect the expected. I do not think Wally is "man enough" to say he is wrong about anything.
He is just another nutjob who likes to do hatchet jobs on people.
I honestly do not care what he thinks about me..you know, and others know it's not true, and that's all that matters.
He is an appeaser and apologist for almost every terror organization there is.
It's America's fault we were attacked,and it's the troops' fault they get blown up. Is this really an American we are talking to? I would doubt it. He hates America, and he hates Jews..what is left there to say? Not worth my time.
Thank you for standing up for me.
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 09/06/2008 02:51:33
Nomad..Thank you..his tin foil hat is on too tight again!!
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 09/06/2008 03:14:42
Carolyn and Nomad, since the earthquake in China, has anyone read anything from Dragonhead? I am wondering if he is in an area affected by the quake and I'm hoping he is ok.
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right of center,

Chicago 09/06/2008 03:22:02
57Nomad made a good point, Wally has been hanging out on that socialist website where they all sit around and agree with one another. Remember how they would usually resort to name calling when they easily lost every debate? They must be rubbing off on poor Wally…
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:10:48
36 Wally

How about photos of beheadings or Saddams Rape rooms, or mass graves, or don't anti-Amricans like you like posting those?
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:19:30
Wally since you hate America let me help you out.
In 1979, immediately upon coming to power, Saddam Hussein silenced all political opposition in Iraq and converted his one-party state into a cult of personality. Since then, his regime has systematically executed, tortured, imprisoned, raped, terrorized, and repressed the Iraqi people. Iraq is a nation rich in culture, with a long history of intellectual and scientific achievement, especially among its women. However, Saddam Hussein's brutal regime has silenced the voices of Iraq's women, along with its men, through violence and intimidation.

Rape. The Iraqi Government uses rape and sexual assault of women to achieve the following goals: to extract information and forced confessions from detained family members; to intimidate Iraqi oppositionists by sending videotapes showing the rape of female family members; and to blackmail Iraqi men into future cooperation with the regime. Some Iraqi authorities even carry personnel cards identifying their official "activity" as the "violation of women's honor."
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:20:52
Beheading. Under the pretext of fighting prostitution, units of "Fedayeen Saddam," the paramilitary organization led by Uday Hussein, Saddam's eldest son, have beheaded in public more than 200 women throughout the country, dumping their severed heads at their families' doorsteps. Many families have been required to display the victim's head on their outside fences for several days. These barbaric acts were carried out in the total absence of any proper judicial procedures and many of the victims were not engaged in prostitution, but were targeted for political reasons. For example, Najat Mohammad Haydar, an obstetrician in Baghdad, was beheaded after criticizing the corruption within health services. (Amnesty International Report, Iraq: Systematic Torture of Political Prisoners, August 2001; Iraqi Women's League in Damascus, Syria)
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:22:24
Wally, these are the things you should have been complaining about. How about a few atta boys for the troops that are cleaning up Saddams mess.

Torture. The Iraqi Government routinely tortures and kills female dissidents and the female relatives of Iraqi oppositionists and defectors. Victims include Safiyah Hassan, the mother of two Iraqi defectors, who was killed after publicly criticizing the Iraqi Government for killing her sons after their return to Iraq. Women in Saddam's jails are subjected to the following forms of torture: brutal beatings, systematic rape, electrical shocks, and branding.
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:28:27
Wally, Here is something You never cheered about, it's not too late to cheer for his death.

Uday: career of rape, torture and murder

He was a monster even by the standards of Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a sadist with a taste for cruelty so extreme that even his father was forced to acknowledge that his first-born son would not be a worthy heir.
And yet for all that Uday Saddam Hussein symbolised the brutality of the Iraqi regime, his powers were severely circumscribed. Although he retained the privileges of the much-indulged son of a dictator, he was shunted from the real centres of power in the military and security services by his quieter, younger brother Qusay.

Although Uday nominally had a role in politics - following his election to parliament with 99% of the vote in 1999 - he was studiously absent from Iraqi television during the dying days of the regime.

It was clear controllers realised that showing too many pictures of the most hated man in Iraq was hardly going to spur resistance.

It was not the life that Uday had intended. Of Saddam's two sons, he was the flamboyant one - towering well over 6ft, with a penchant for fast cars and loud and drunken parties, expensive suits and flowing robes, as well as murder, rape and torture.

His public duties ranged from the Iraqi Olympic Committee and the national football team, to Babel, supposedly an independent newspaper, and Shabab, or youth television, to the Iraqi Photographers' Association. He also was in charge of the dreaded Saddam Fedayeen militia.

For those unfortunate enough to have strayed across his path, Uday's reasons for taking on such a public life were pathetic: he wanted to build a public profile in preparation for taking over from Saddam.

The search for public approbation appears to have taken over in the mid-1980s when Uday first took a close interest in sport. Footballers say he never really understood or showed much interest in the game itself, but was desperate enough f
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Carolyn 1,

09/06/2008 04:28:47
Ah Wally, that was pitiful photojournalism.
The photo was from some 24 year old kid's MySpace in Massachusetts.

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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:30:26
for a win that he would phone up the dressing room during half-time to threaten to cut off players' legs and throw them to ravenous dogs.

As football overseer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard, with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten on the soles of his feet after a particularly poor showing.

He also carried a grudge. "Once you came to Uday's notice, he never left you alone. The only time I managed to get away from his eyes was when I went outside Iraq," star performer Habib Jaffar told the Guardian last April.

Uday's excesses carried over in his private life where he had a reputation for ordering any girl or woman who caught his eye to be brought to his private pleasure dome.

The palace, a bad taste Arabian nights fantasy, was decorated with indoor fountains and erotik murals and was in the grounds of his father's presidential estate. A nearby chamber contained huge stashes of drugs as well as an HIV testing kit, according to US forces.

He is also reported to have operated an even more private torture chamber on the banks of the Tigris.

But his brutality finally caught up with him. In 1988 he bludgeoned to death his father's bodyguard Kamal Hana Jajo in front of horrified partygoers.

He also shot one of his uncles in the leg. The murder, shootings, and other erratic behaviour put him in permanent disfavour with Saddam. He was briefly exiled to Switzerland and, while he was allowed to return to Iraq, he was never again deemed suitable for succession.

Uday's marriages were a further source of embarrassment to his father.

His two brief dynastic liaisons - with the daughters of a senior Ba'ath party aide of Saddam and an uncle - were dissolved after Uday beat up his brides.

His remove from power grew even greater in 1996 when gunmen fired on his red Porsche as it sped through the streets of Baghdad. The attack left the scion of Saddam able to walk only with great difficulty.

It also appea
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:31:36
rs to have deepened his rage against his fellow Iraqis. Sports figures in Iraq say he had come to see his duties at the Olympic committee only as a source of ready cash. His cruelty, already legendary, deepened.
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:36:35
Ha! Proves Wally Hates America, he can't even denounce Saddam or Uday, he wants to blame America.

Pathetic.
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Al Sharpton Jr.,

09/06/2008 04:39:49
Wally's first instint is always blame America first, I wonder why?
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Dáithí,

San Jose 09/06/2008 06:06:34
There is a member of a popular European pop group called 'The Corrs' that supports a lot what Wally says. You can learn more about Jim Corr and his support of Wally at:

http://twentymajor.net/2008/05/30/new-world-corrder/

He also has a very popular 'YouTube' video at:

http://www.mulley.net/2008/05/30/jim-corr-on-lisbon-911-and-the-new-world-order/
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Dáithí,

San Jose 09/06/2008 06:45:06
Robbie Williams also makes his case in support of Wally:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-528670/Ive-seen-UFOs-times-claims-Robbie-Williams.html

Robbie provides many facts (from the article):

"The Angels singer claims he has seen UFOs three times and plans to study alien and extra-terrestrial lifeforms once he quits pop music."

"The 34-year-old also revealed on the Jeremy Kyle show that he believes in ghosts which he said are "from another world.""

"As for ghost sightings he goes on to say: "People will think I'm mental, which I am."
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 10:31:50
Roll on November. Troops out.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 14:52:01
Dingy - war never solves anything. You guys should know that after Vietnam. Then again maybe you have shares in the weapons industry, the biggest recruiting sergeant for Bin Laden.
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mike - across the pond,

ah wally... 09/06/2008 18:32:48
it is precisely because we HATE war that we should LEAVE US troops in those 70 countries....

I'm not going to say that even a majority of those countries we have troops are "bastions of civil liberties"... but LOOK at the alternatives...

Saudi Arabia isnt the greatest... BUT LOOK AT SYRIA, SOMALIA, IRAN... they are FAR worse...

it is precisely because we HATE war that we must be strong and project a formidible presence
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 09/06/2008 23:03:55
Mike in 55:

of all the pro-war people on this board, you are the only one IMHO that is pro-American. the others love war so much that they are blinded by their blood lust. They are blood dancers. IMHO you are merely deceived. But I do not agree with you. and neither do the troops we have in Iraq. I've shown you before the poll by zogby where 72% of actual US troops stationed in Iraq think that we should bring ALL the troops home from Iraq. They disagree with you Mike. You should reconsider.

War veterans groups are turning against McCain. here's a link on that.

http://www.desertdispatch.com/opinion/veterans_3535___article.html/understand_attacks.html

Same thing happened to Guilianni. The mass media told us he was a great hero of the Sept 11 events. But in reality he was the person who made a key decision that cost the lives of hundreds of people on that day. After much public discussion he was the one who decided that the doors to the roofs of WTC1 & WTC2 should be electronically sealed so that those people could not escape to the roof and be rescued. The firefighter's union in NYC who opposed Guiliani at the time on that decision came out with a public resolution condemning Guiliani and so did a national firefighter's union. Guiliani as we know was a media favorite, but he lost in every state that he ran in to Ron Paul except for Florida. that is maybe 9 out of 10 states he was beaten by Ron Paul before he dropped out.

The media tells us what a great war hero McCain is. But the veterans are against him. Remember - 18 US vets committ suicide every day. War mongers like McCain are not popular among veterans.

and here's a RedState News update from 2 Americans I really like named Jackie & Dunlap who live in Tennessee.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AebguwqMbRM
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57Nomad,

california 10/06/2008 01:06:03
#53 Clamper

Clamper said:

"war never solves anything."

Clamps, my man. Do you mean that? If you're serious, perhaps you can tell me when was the last time you caught sight of the Japanese Imperial Navy plying the high seas. Have you seen recent video of panzer columns of the Wehrmacht slicing their way across central Europe? Are the Argentinians tending sheep in the Falklands? Are the Russians still in Grenada? Come on, man, what were you thinking about to say something like that. It may not be pretty, it may not be all warm and cozy but the fact is that a great many issues have been settled by war and that's not going to change.
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57Nomad,

california 10/06/2008 01:14:35
#58 Wally

Wally said:

"This is the prime reason the veterans hate him."

Wally, you've really gone to far this time. Look, you pencil neck geek, don't you dare to speak for Vietnam veterans. You pathetic spineless coward. You aren't fit to lick the sweat off John McCain's hindquarters. I'm a Vietnam veteran and our service there was contemporaneous. The difference is that I was safely ensconced for most of my tour at various Air Force bases while John McCain was risking his life every day performing the most dangerous job on the face of the earth and you, you pathetic whining little rat faced weasel, wouldn't have the courage to strap yourself into a fighter let alone fly in one. Shut your trap, you craven slimewad.

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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/06/2008 03:51:22
Wally, go back to FH..stay there..you are useless as a human being.
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mike - across the pond,

wally.... 10/06/2008 06:24:46
careful drinking the "poll" koolaid... you know that I'm as bad a "poll cynic" as you are a 9/11 cynic...

when you talk of "troops in iraq" answering polls... my nephew spent 15 months in Iraq recently... by the grace of god, he made it home OK. I sent him emails once a week... he responded to TWO... I told him not to bother responding to me, because I knew his "internet" time was limited, his mother and his wife both out-ranked me... lol

be careful how much credence you give these polls you cite, its the guys who dont have anything to do that are answering them... and as a taxpayer you have to ask WHY THEY have that time when MOST flat out dont... then you have to ask, WHY are those who DO respond choosing the polls they CHOOSE to respond to? 72% of those guys probably DO... the rest dont have time...

buddy I want these guys home... I guarantee Lynne and 57 want them home too.... as badly as they want to be home... but 95% of them and hopefully 51% of the voting populace understand EXACTLY why they must be there... and understand what will happen if we bring them all home before the job is done.... a FACT that escapes BO, and the "surrender monkeys"...

here is a FACT you seem to be missing.... I dont care if they found WMD... I dont care if they went there "for oil".... I care about ONE thing... one single concept from our declaration of independence... WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT, THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL... Hussein, the Taliban, AlQueda, those who subscribe to Sharia law, they all hold that phrase as anethema... and thats where we fight...

about McCain and the VC, WELL DUH!!!! THEY knew who they had holed up in the Hanoi Hilton... more THEY knew WE knew they had him... if they had subjected him to the WORST treatment that they gave some of our guys, it would have NOT gone well when we got proof... and as a POW, its not like you have much choice in how you are treated in comparison to other tro
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wally contd 10/06/2008 06:25:28
and as a POW, its not like you have much choice in how you are treated in comparison to other troops or camps of troops.

If you have any hard proof about McCain "pushing investigations under the rug", please do bring it out... if your proof is limited to "an alien abductee interviewed on Art Bell said aliens told him...." please dont bother...
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 10:44:53
Morning rednecks! What a touchy lot you are over the pond. How dare anyone suggest you shouldn't be in Iraq and Afghanistan, let alone you won't win, and will soon be pulled out by President Obama. Look on the bright side, you can always invade some tiny Island like Grenada a few years down the line to prove you are still the rulers of the Carribean. Have anice day!
Missing you already!
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Tobermory,

Mull 10/06/2008 12:33:34
Not everyone over here is a dim wit like Clamper. I apologize on his behalf for his imbecile comments in #65
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 14:14:24
Don't apologise for me Jacanory. I'll be back to applaud President Obama come November. :)
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/06/2008 18:15:29
A. Clamper...don't stand up and applaud so fast.. because according to Arthur Herman of the New York Post..yesterday..
June 9, 2008 -- AMERICA has won, or is about to win, the Iraq war.
I do not have the link to give you.. the article is long, I will reprint it..if you ask..but he backs it up with facts...from foricibly reoccupying Basra, Sadr City and Mosul that had served as key insugency bases.
National reconciliation has begun.
Both Sunnis and Shiites applauded the efforts of their nation's army. (so training seems to be going well).
US combat deaths are down..the lowest since 2003. The truce is still very fragile and anything can happen, especially during election time.

CIA Director agrees that Al Qaeda in Iraq is nearly
strategically defeated.
The surge worked and has cleared the way for the establishement of a secure democracy and hopefully a lasting peace.

I know this is bad news for some especially the appeasers, apologists and Barak Obama...but all roads seems to lead to Al Qaeda in Iraq now being on the run.




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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/06/2008 18:24:20
From the article in the NY Post

Once Gen. David Petraeus is confirmed as commander of US forces in the Middle East in July, he'll be able to apply the same strategy for victory learned in the Iraq surge to the war in Afghanistan.
In short, the larger War on Terror may be reaching a tipping point similar to that of the Iraq war.
The US public and policymakers need to recognize how this happened - and draw lessons from this success.
1) We need to acknowledge that the Iraq war wasn't a "distraction" from the War on Terror, as critics still complain, but its centerpiece.
It's not mere coincidence that our success against al Qaeda globally comes along with success in Iraq. For all its setbacks and frustrations, the Iraq war drew jihadists into a battle they thought they could win, because it would be fought on their home turf - but which they're now losing disastrously.
2) The US decision to "stay the course" in the Iraq war, which was also widely mocked and criticized, served to thoroughly demoralize the jihadist movement.
From its start in spring 2003, the Iraqi insurgency has been entirely built on the premise that it could use suicide and roadside bombings, sectarian slaughter and the torture and murder of hostages to force America out of the Middle East.
If Democrats had won the White House in 2004, the jihadists might have succeeded.
Instead, America doggedly refused to give in to terror, despite 4,000 combat deaths and massive antiwar sentiment, and unwaveringly supported an Iraqi government that was at times feeble and confused - and proceeded to break the jihadist movement's back.
In that interview, the CIA's Hayden also that al Qaeda is no longer able to use the Iraq war as a way to draw in new recruits. The reason is clear: If you go to Iraq to fight the American infidel you will die, and die for nothing.
3) Finally, the Bush administration's success in Iraq, and growing success in the War on Terror, offers a powerful object lesson in ho
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3) Finally, the Bush administration's success in Iraq, and growing success in the War on Terror, offers a powerful object lesson in how to deal with the continuing threat from Iran.
Iran remains the most lethal state sponsor of terrorism, fomenting proxy wars in Lebanon and Gaza, and in Iraq itself. Its nuclear-weapons program proceeds despite minor sanctions and endless international efforts at engagement.
Now the Bush administration has shown the way for the next president. Instead of trying to "understand" the enemy, disrupt and defeat his plans. Instead of listening to domestic critics, act in the nation's best interests. Instead of relying on multilateral support to decide what to do, go it alone if necessary.
Instead of worrying about an exit strategy, realize that there's no substitute for winning.

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mike - across the pond,

hey Lynne 10/06/2008 22:20:04
while I agree with the general that we are nearing "strategic" victory, I'm afraid Tactical victory is still a ways off... as long as there are lunatics who will strap bombs on themselves... or leave IED's to indescriminently kill... or launch rockets and grenades, there will be sporadic violence throughout the region.

unfortunately the "surrender monkeys" of the world are probablably incapable of grasping the key differentiation between Strategic and Tactical, and will cite every "one-off" incident as proof that "it isnt over yet"...

keep the faith...

when BO's mug hits the screen.... just smile to yourself and say "there is the leader of the 'surrender monkeys'"
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Lynne,

Palm Beach Gardens 10/06/2008 22:55:22
mike- across the pond..I had every intention of saying that..I thought when I said the truce was fragile, and that anything can happen, especially during elections, it would make that point. I guess not...sorry. I agree with you, there are just too many here who count on the US losing, and with the way the media is..they will never hear the good news.
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 11:09:50
You Bush apologists can try all you like to convince us that you are winning the war. Bush told us it had been won years ago from the deck of an aircraft carrier.
It wasn't true then and it isn't true today. It's just more of the same wartime propaganda that we have heard before. President Obama will have you out before you have to get evacuated, Vietnam style, from the roof of the embassy.
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mike - across the pond,

ah clamper 11/06/2008 13:59:40
my how time flies

what you are talking about wasnt 2 years ago, that was from the deck of the USS Lincoln... May 1, 2003... over FIVE years ago...

the problem here is semantics... Major Combat operations were OVER, by most conventions the war WAS over, against EVERYTHING you guys were saying, a war that was supposed to stretch on for well over a year, was OVER in 10 weeks... with 1/3 of the forces we NEEDED, denied entry thru Turkey.... bottom line, we fought the Iraqi government, and without a single shred of the shadow of a doubt, WE WON...

by 21st century semantics, fighting terrorists in the weeds like the AlQueda insurgents who have staged what in any OTHER time would be called a "civil war"... Strategic victory is within sight....

keep it straight pal...
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 15:26:08
Who said anything about two years?
The point is the U.S. hadn't thought it through. They smashed the Iraqi forces easily because of vastly superior weaponry aircraft and ground forces but had no plans for afterwards other than an oil grab and installing a puppet Government. Result - 4.000 plus American dead, and an estimated 90,000 civilian deaths,
and still the war goes on and still you guys try to justify it. Unbelievable !
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 15:56:58
78# The truth hurts, doesn't it.....
Anthony H. Cordesman, senior analyst at Washington's Center for Strategic and International Studies: "Regardless of whether we say so publicly, we will go to war, because Saddam sits at the center of a region with more than 60 percent of all the world's oil reserves."
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A Clamper,

Edinburgh 11/06/2008 16:54:14
An oil grab takes time when you are still fighting for it,but the Iraqi puppet Governments' Oil Ministry is doing what it can. Read on and you might learn something, "Numpty".
"The oil ministry on Wednesday also asked international oil companies to submit by Jan. 31 all necessary registration documents to allow them to bid for participation in the development of Iraq's oil fields."

International Herald Tribune January 2008.
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Vida Dosa ,

23/12/2008 01:08:09
Well said

 

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