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Published Date: 13 July 2009
ALLEGATIONS that former US vice-president Dick Cheney ran a secret "black ops" unit inside the CIA for eight years without informing Congress have increased pressure on the White House for a full investigation of alleged abuses of power by the Bush administration.
The unit was so secret that even the former CIA director George Tenet did not control its activities, according to reports yesterday.

Sources said Mr Cheney, considered by some to have been the power behind the throne of the Bush administration, set up the unit in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, for an as-yet undisclosed mission.

The existence of the unit itself was confirmed last week in a leaked letter from CIA director Leon Panetta to selected members of Congress.

In the letter, Mr Panetta said that despite being appointed by president Barack Obama to his job some five months ago, he only learned of the unit's existence in late June, and took immediate action to close it down.

Speculation is rife that the unit was trained for the assassinations of foreign leaders suspected of aiding terrorists.

Such a claim was made earlier this year by investigative journalist Seymour Hersh, who said he had evidence of an "executive assassination ring" under the direct control of the White House and which bypassed Congress, the joint chiefs of staff and the defence secretary.

Assassination was outlawed in the 1970s following post- Watergate revelations of CIA assassinations and "dirty tricks" operations in Vietnam.

If Mr Cheney is found to have withheld knowledge of the unit – whatever its purpose – from Congress, that could open him to legal action.

"That's a serious breach," said Democrat senator Kent Conrad. "This is a question of whether something was not given to the elected members of Congress which is regulated by law."

Among other questions that will be asked is how the CIA managed to conceal from its own boss, Mr Panetta, the existence of a unit inside its own headquarters for so many months.

The CIA itself would not comment on the nature of the unit. "It's not agency practice to discuss what may or may not have been said in a classified briefing," said CIA spokesman Paul Gimigliano.

Democrat speaker of the House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi clashed with Mr Panetta earlier this year when she said she and other members of a congressional oversight committee were kept in the dark about CIA "waterboarding" torture at Guantanamo Bay.

In response to Ms Pelosi's allegations, Mr Panetta told CIA employees on 15 May that it was not CIA policy to mislead Congress.

Now, in a sharp escalation of the spat, seven Democratic representatives have written to Mr Panetta asking if he wants to reconsider his opinion "in the light of your testimony".

Mr Obama made the alleged abuse of power by the Bush administration a central theme of last year's presidential election.

But as he tries to implement controversial economic stimulus and healthcare reform laws, a traumatic inquiry into the previous administration's activities seems to be a battle he wants to delay.


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  • Last Updated: 12 July 2009 9:35 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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Sandi,

San Diego 13/07/2009 00:20:44
"Sy Hersh claimed it was being done by the military and not the CIA. Sy names the units and their commanders."

http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2009/07/11/did-the-cia-lie-to-congress/#more-27829
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retiredscot,

Edinburgh at Heart 13/07/2009 03:11:01
Cheney's Black Ops are probably what has kept the USA and others safe from Terrorists 'lo these many years. Obama wanting to be 'Open' and 'Giving up the Keys to the Kingdom' to other Governments and organizations is Madness. Protect Yourself first, Friendly Nations second and deal as best you can with others is how you keep YOUR Country Safe! Obama's 'Change' is Dangerous to the Security of the USA and her 'Trusted' Allies!
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blackops,

13/07/2009 05:14:58
#6 - you would do well to remember those words - have you not committed the same atrocities or worse!
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donald,

glasgow 13/07/2009 07:10:53
Of course their British poodle would never do such a thing.
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oder,

Scotland 13/07/2009 07:50:50
Anti western articles are given preferential treatment by the Scotsman, there is little fear that apologists and the lefties will have comment on this board removed, which brings into question this newspaper`s journalistic fairness in dealing with the issues and the views of posters, yesterday they were quick to shut down comment on the barbarous act of beheading several people by Islamic fundamentalists.
It seems the popular view is preferred by this rag rather any honorable pursuit of fairness or truth.


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oder,

any town 13/07/2009 08:47:32
Barrett Bonden,Polychrest

normally I wait for proof before I hang them,and never do I personally insult a poster because they disagree with my view, or resort to juvenile name calling.
if you read my post again you will see that "fairness and truth" remark was aimed at this newspaper not lefties and apologists.
Criticism itself isn`t wrong but to condemn as you do based on criticism is.

you may have notice these boards are full apologist, lefties all claiming to champions of democracy,freedom of speech, the right of individuals and so on,but they
also are responsible for the most offensive and abusive posts that appear on these boards,these the very same people who hit the delete button when a poster view doesn`t suit their view.
If you like these poster share the same view! I will happily stick with the numpties.


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oder,

Scotland 13/07/2009 09:00:20
Five out of 14 posts deleted,roughly 30%, isn`t it great to see freedom of speech in action?
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Mashimaro,

China 13/07/2009 09:32:41
#5 Cos raining bombs down on innocent children helps them to understand whose boss, right? It makes them shiver with fear and never consider doing anything to hurt their US masters, right?
History has, of course, always proven that the best way to deal with terroists is to bomb the heck out of other people. That's the sure fire way to keep the arms industry ticking over and the fat cats happy while the poor guys head off to fight foreign wars... but yeah... man... dude... I can see the sense in that.
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oder,

Scotland 13/07/2009 10:44:44
No idea postie but like I said the other day I think all posts should be left in place,I dont condone such behaviour.
I may not agree with what you say, but accept your right to say it.
The same trolls plaque western posters here as they do
your side.
The Scotsman is allowing the trolls on here free reign to do this, possibly because they support the anti west/China stance.
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

13/07/2009 10:54:32
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One wonders if the Admin 'Bots' even Read the posts they delete Before they delete them?

Or whether they get the complaint and just do as they are asked . . .
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

13/07/2009 11:15:47
I blame Susan Boyle....
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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

13/07/2009 11:16:20
...and the Scientologists...they are in it together...
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Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

13/07/2009 11:27:23
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168? There's a Medal somewhere wi' your name on it for sure :-)

'Most Dedicated Poster' type stylee thing.

Not sure how to do it but am aware that you can 'bounce' your, e.g email, around the world so that you are essentially untraceable. Used to know someone who did that. Lost contact now but you could Google it I s'pose? Depends how p1ssed off you get with constant deletion . . . .
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Scottyboy007,

GLASGOW 13/07/2009 12:05:04
Surprise Surprise WE have one too. His name is Mandelson.
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Incandescent,

13/07/2009 12:15:29
#27 In summary, though you'll need a new email address to re-register a new name, once sysadmin identifies your new user name, just a couple of clicks clears your account and all associated posts.
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AJ Fife,

13/07/2009 13:39:51
Is this same lad who 'accidentally' shot his best pal whilst out huntin' critters?
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oder,

Scotland 13/07/2009 13:40:12
Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

I do believe they read some of them but not all
I think more likely individual posters are some how targeted and as a complaint is made its deleted.
I tried to delete a few of my own posts but was unsuccessful in having them removed.


Rosie's Opinion,

I know that postie can be upsetting at times I have had a few disagreements with him myself I certainly dont believe he is having my posts deleted and regardless he always IDs himself as postie, so I have to say he is more honest than many of the people who do troll on these boards.

Johnston Press

I like it fitting for the Scotsman Postie.
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 13/07/2009 14:56:16
Cheney is old news. Hopefully he's retired. unfortunately there is an organization where people like cheney dominate and such an organization has some authority in our government. Personally I wish not to be troubled by it.

did you all know that there is a city named Glasgow in the state of Missouri in the US? it has a very small population, but is a nice town. I've been there.

This world is made in such a way that evil people will rule it whether Cheney is in charge or not. It is best that we turn our personal efforts to other things.

http://www.glasgowmo.com/

here's a bible verse in honor of the former VP.

"Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."
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Joburg Pete,

13/07/2009 15:38:22
At the moment this is all mere specualtion, but because most of us are able to sense the evil that was Cheyne, Rumsfeld and Bush, none of us have a shred of doubt that this story will turn out to be true.
The three names above are probably the most evil poltical leaders in the last 80 years, their carnage is beyond belief but what is worse was that it was committed in front of all of us.
If there is a chance he could be found guilty, there will be an oval office intervention. There is no way he will be put in a court of law, they must avoid the law at all costs - this will be interesting!
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 13/07/2009 15:48:11
Joburg Pete in 41:

unfortunately there will be no investigation of significance - period. but following up on this theme that several posters sense evil in cheney, bush, rumsfeld - all 3 are members of the Skull & Bones secret society. a person of normal sensibilities can read the descriptions of that group's initiation ceremonies and sense evil. If you wanted to find descriptions of this ceremony from people who witnessed it, then you could.

Skull & Bones' history goes back to 1830's. Their founder was the most prominent opium trader with china. other members of skull & bones in history helped finance the communist revolution of russia 1905-1917, the rise of hitler, then of course GHW Bush, GW Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld today.

Some will say this is conspiracy theory. It is simple fact.
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Joburg Pete,

13/07/2009 15:54:11
Wally - the phrase conspiracy theory is a wonderful escape, but one day a leader will be brought down.
It is amazing how much evil exists in this world and that people see it, yet are blind to it.
Wow - How did we all fail to see the absolute evil with Bush snr, Cheyne, Bush jnr and Rumsfeld? And how did we miss their close bond with Bin Laden and their protection of him? How come we all missed it?
Saddam was evil, but the sort of evil we are speaking about here is darker than the darkest Saddam moment.
I shiver to the bone when I think of the four names above - evil is all about them you can see it in their eyes.
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Syke,

off the West coast 13/07/2009 15:57:05
Barrett Bonden,Polychrest

You have called a poster "odious" which is nasty thing to say I reckon you might be this troll fella Jock H Republic of Scotland that oder goes on about,are you that fella? it would explain your nasty attitude towards him, it completely baffels me by your aggression towards him there must be some logical reason for that.
I agree with this Tribeman fella oder never mentioned Cheney.
So what is your problem with him?
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Joburg Pete,

13/07/2009 15:57:39
Harry - I dont consider the names you mentioned to be high in any regard. You mentioned names of some dispicable people. But Cheyne, Bush snr, Bush jnr and Rumsfeld are beyond dispicable, they are evil personified. With the ones above you know what you are getting so you can fight them. With the other four you dont.
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Tris,

13/07/2009 18:47:48
~9 You're right there. It would be all about Cheney and making him more powerful and richer. There is one EVIL man.
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13/07/2009 19:27:03
"this" need you to go to the office you left the address but not the number.
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mike - across the pond,

ah tris 13/07/2009 19:38:29
you got some twisted logic there pal...

more powerful... he was VP... a heartbeat from the whitehouse... and according to the Soros sycophants it was HE who was the real power.... I'm not quite sure you can be any more powerful than the "puppet master"

richer.... hmmm you are aware that POTUS and VPOTUS place their financial stakes in blind trusts... correct? If there was anything to prove there, you dont think that the Soros sycophants wouldnt be howling like a bunch of monkeys in the zoo????

ok remove your foot now....
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mike - across the pond,

um joburg... 13/07/2009 19:47:04
binladens ties with the bushes....

hmmm right from the mind of Soros and moore?

the "bin laden" ties have to do with the families... not so much the individuals...

see here in america, you are accused, tried, and convicted based upon YOUR actions... not the actions of your relations...

and when you talk about OBL's brothers and sisters... you realize that he has something like 70 siblings... if you count up YOUR relations... by the time you get to 70, there's people you may have seen only once at a family reunion when you were 10 years old... not hardly "close" or in any way culpable for your actions...

and even if they were close siblings, unless you have done something wrong, there is NOTHING that our judiciary can/will do about it.

all this means that the Bin Laden family is protected by our government while on our soil... so, yes, we scooped them up and got them out of our country... BECAUSE THEY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH OBL's ACTIONS... or the actions of those who followed OBL...

and there is nothing sinister about it... zero...
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Carolyn 1,

13/07/2009 19:49:44
If it were not for the political hypocrisy of our government officials what would they do to slice and dice away at each other?

First they bemoan that the Bush-Cheney war machine started a war (like cowboys) and invaded Afghanistan and Iraq killing kzillions of innocent people....
Now, these same politicians bemoan that the Bush-Cheney war machine wanted to secretly work with and trained Delta Force and Navy Seal Ops to capture or execute alQueda targets rather than go to war.

Really, how stupid do these absurdly redunculous 'politicians' think we are? Oh that's right, they're politicians, they're lips move and little more.
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mike - across the pond,

ah wally.... 13/07/2009 19:57:59
I believe we have agreed that we are both "christians"...

its rather interesting if you LOOK at christianity... really LOOK at it... there is nary a sect of christianity that if you LOOK at the initiation rituals dont come across as MIGHTily barbarric... and most are even borderline evil... if you take away our romanticizations and REALLY look at them...

baptisms
sacrements
sacrifice (both symbolic AND actual)
holy water rituals
priesthood / sisterhoods
even marriage...
who in their right mind would go along with those rules?

I mean... come ON Wally if you are throwing out the babies... dont bring me back the dirty bathwater, expecting me to pat you on the head....
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 13/07/2009 19:59:20
Post # 47 Molly MacDonald

Remember Bush lied that a third rate, tin pot dictator like Saddam posessed WMD!

Taking cognizance of that, what makes you so sure you can believe anything you have told about Saddam.

After all, Bush was proved to be the liar and Saddam demonstrated he was telling the truth when he declared that he had no WMD!
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mike - across the pond,

ah lys... 13/07/2009 20:53:59
um your BDS is showing

Hussein used WMD against his own people
Hussein used WMD against the Iranians
the world was told by HANS BLIX that Hussein possessed WMD
and Hussein never declared ANYTHING about not having WMD
Hussein placed himself in material breach of his 1991 ceasefire agreement by denying UN weapons inspectors unfettered access...

if you choose not to believe anything about GWB... thats all well and good...

but to deny history.... well thats BDS... at its finest....
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Carolyn 1,

13/07/2009 21:12:29
Lys Alf @ 56
Remember Bush lied that a third rate, tin pot dictator like Saddam posessed WMD! "

Hmmm... what 'reports' are you reading?

Unless there's a reason for you being plugged into the gravy train drivel, may I remind of the many news reports of late that report of Saddam admitting he bragged to everyone, and intentionally misled everyone to believe he did have WMDs.
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 13/07/2009 22:31:50
You mean to say Cheney never told Congress about a plan that never was off the ground...tut tut. If there were no such plans being implemented over the last 7 years I would be severely disappointed. What world do some of you people live in? Disneyland?
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Alexander the Scot,

Michigan. U.S.A. 13/07/2009 22:37:37
16 Mashimaro..... I see the pretend Charley Chan is poking his heid oot o' the midden again wherever it might be.
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Alexander the Scot,

Michigan U.S.A. 13/07/2009 23:36:41
62 Chuck Schumer
It wasn't only Kerry that stood up in support of President Bush, it was the entire bunch of that scum in the Democrat Party, including Hilary. Then when the weapons of mass destruction were not found they all tried to look like innocent bystanders. Each and every one of them had access to the same information as George Walker Bush. Saddam Hussein used weapons of mass destruction against the Kurds, innocent men women and children within Iraq died at the whim of that mad man, his cousins, and demented two Sons.
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Alexander the Scot,

Michigan U.S.A. 13/07/2009 23:43:25
A follow up......... If someone had killed that B...ARD Hitler in 1937 the apologists would have said that he posed no threat.
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 14/07/2009 13:27:31
Post #58 Carolyn1

The source from which the news reports you refer to are tracable to the CIA!

I must remind you that the Americans retained the services of the Lincoln Group to "Plant" stories in Iraqi newspapers supposedly written by Iraqis hailing the heroic exploits of the occupying American forces!

After the lies told for the reasons justifying the invasion and occupation of Iraq one has to check if the sun has indeed risen if an American greets you with a "Good morning"

I am no longer gullible!!!!!
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 14/07/2009 13:33:21
Post #57 Mike across the pond

"the world was told by HANS BLIX that Hussein possessed WMD"

Your statement is false!
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mike - across the pond,

um lys... 14/07/2009 15:02:08
http://www.acronym.org.uk/dd/dd77/77iraq.htm

Blix reveals that when he returned to Iraq in 2002 his gut feeling was that Iraq was still engaged in prohibited activities and retained prohibited items, and that there was documentation to prove it. Hence he did not demur from Blair's assertion that in November 2002, when resolution 1441 was adopted, "everyone thought he [Saddam] had them". But by the end of that month, after Blix's UNMOVIC team had inspected suspicious sites, acting on tip-offs from the intelligence agencies, and found no credible evidence of WMD, his doubts began.

"everyone thought he [Saddam] had them"... from Blix's own memoirs...

Blix may feel today that that statement was fed by governments who had their courses already set... BUT... HE SAID IT...

dislike it if thats what you prefer... but it is history...
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 14/07/2009 16:49:38
Post#69 mike-across the pond

No person entrusted with duties of inspection especially those of nuclear proliferation inspection duties can take any heed of "Gut" feelings! He would have been as dishonest as the war criminal Bush and Blair if he did! I do distinctly recall Blix stating that he had found no credible evidence to support Bush's lies about Saddam possessing WMD!

The aging and by then unstable chemical weapons he had were given to him by his erstwhile American warmongering allies who used him as their proxy to murder as many Iranians as he could!

Just think rationally for a moment do you really believe that Saddam could have launched his entire fleet of rowing boats with instructions to row to America towing behind them in an Iraqi woman's washing tub his arsenal of "H" bombs and attack America????

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mike - across the pond,

uh lys 14/07/2009 19:46:28
you deride me and exault Blix... the "gut feeling" was a quote from BLIX... read the link... most of it is pretty accusatory of the entire effort in Iraq... so you should enjoy it...

its good you understand the stability of WMD, at least we wont quibble about that...

your problem is you dont understand the source of the WMD manufacturing ability... that would be USSR not the US... and you seem to be in denial as to where that manufacturing ability went... Faeries didnt fly it away in the middle of the night...

it is rather interesting that you fit Saddam and "rational" in the same sentence...

it is generally agreed that WMD was a thin argument, and I do agree with Blix that a compelling case was there to be built based upon HUMANITARIAN causes in Iraq... that said, sadly, the world rarely goes to war to fight for HUMANITARIAN causes... no matter how "compelling" the case...
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Colorado River,

Grand Canyon 15/07/2009 09:52:57
*9 Barrett Bonden,Polychrest

"If Cheney dabbled in Black Ops, you can rest assured that they had sweet F.A. to do with keeping the US safe and everything to do with gaining more control over the world"

do you think he is a member of the illuminati or do you think they should watch out too?
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Lys Alf,

Scotland 15/07/2009 16:03:30
Post#71 Mike across the pond

"a compelling case was there to be built based upon HUMANITARIAN causes in Iraq... that said, sadly, the world rarely goes to war to fight for HUMANITARIAN causes... no matter how "compelling" the case"

If you are advancing this altruistic reason for the invasion and subsequent destruction of Iraq then I have to pose the following question, why does America not liberate China by military invasion and occupation?

Too scared to take on the big boys who can fight back????
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