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Published Date: 05 March 2008
COLOMBIA last night won the backing of George Bush, the US president, despite escalating the region's crisis by accusing neighbouring Venezuela of genocide.
Mr Bush weighed into the crisis for the first time since Colombian forces provoked outrage by entering Ecuador and killing a leading leftist rebel. He accused Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, of provocative manoeuvres and warned that he opposed
any act of aggression in the region.

Mr Chavez, who has threatened to stop selling oil to the United States if it attacks, has warned war could break out.

Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, is charging his Venezuelan counterpart with genocide, insisting Mr Chavez has been supporting Marxist guerrillas as they engage in massacres.

The Colombian declarations are the latest chapter in a deepening regional crisis which began last Saturday when the Colombian air force bombed a rebel camp inside Ecuadorean territory. Raul Reyes, a commander of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (Farc), was killed. Colombian troops followed up the strike, moving into Ecuador and recovering the corpse of Reyes as well as three laptop computers and a pile of documents.

The intelligence they contained, according to the Colombian authorities, proves that Mr Chavez has been supporting Farc and that Ecuador also has close links with the rebels.

General Oscar Naranjo, Colombia's police chief, said: "I can also affirm that there was a payment for the Farc from the government of President Chavez of $300 million."

Colombia's vice-president, Francisco Santos, in Geneva yesterday, said that information from the computers also showed that Farc has been trying to buy uranium to build a dirty bomb, insisting that the rebel group represents an international terrorist threat. Farc is on both US and European lists of terrorist organisations.

"Terrorist groups, based on the economic power of drug trafficking, constitute a serious threat not to just our country but to the entire Andean and Latin American region," Mr Santos said.

It is not only Venezuela and Ecuador, which have now moved troops up the border, which have been critical of the Colombian actions. Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Nicaragua and Peru have spoken out against the bombing raid, and in Europe, Italy and Germany have also expressed their concern.

Colombians however are squarely behind their president. A poll found that 83 per cent of the public back the attack on Reyes. "Chavez is a lunatic," said Raul Gonzalez, 38 a company manager, "a lunatic who lives next to us and is heavily armed."

Mr Chavez has accused Mr Uribe of being a puppet of Washington and turning Colombia into "the Israel of the Americas". This theme was picked up by president Rafael Correa of Ecuador, who warned: "Latin America will become another Middle East."

HIGH COST OF ANTI-TERROR RAID
COLOMBIA is not just facing diplomatic consequences for entering Ecuador to kill a rebel leader.

Venezuela and Ecuador are also key trading partners with bilateral commerce worth over £4 billion a year.

Venezuela is, after the US, Colombia's most important trading partner. Yesterday, Hugo Chavez ordered the border closed and lines of lorries waited on the Colombian side in the vain hope that it would open.

Alvaro Uribe, backed by Washington to the tune of £300 million a year, has made the military defeat of the Farc the cornerstone of his government.

Sources in the Colombian army now wonder what the response of the United States should be if there are armed clashes. "Our fear is that the overstretched US will be unable to help us," said an army colonel.





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  • Last Updated: 04 March 2008 11:27 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Colombia
 
1

Carolyn 1,

05/03/2008 02:04:06
The article says: Mr Chavez, who has threatened to stop selling oil to the United States if it attacks, has warned war could break out."

Another crazy statement from a crazy man. He's nuttier than squirrel poop.
Chavez needs to ship more oil, a LOT more oil, not less.
There was never any investment to facilitate or increase production, add vast corruption to the formula and things don't look good for the future of Venezuela, or Chavez or the country's ability to pump itself out of growing domestic unrest and financial failures.
The economy is based on state owned oil; with oil selling at 100 bucks a barrel the economy should be growing, but instead there are continual food shortages with people waiting in line for hours to buy food. The country is the 5th largest supplier of oil, but there is no milk for the citizens?
It's the "forces of the counterrevolution that are engaged in an all-out offensive against Chavez and the Revolution", not the United States
2

Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 05/03/2008 02:52:20
recently Columbia bombed Ecuador. They killed about 20 people including an important political leader. This is not the first incident either of Columbia intervening in both Ecuador and Venezuela over the last year. Columbia's military is funded & trained by the US.

Whenever you read criticism of Chavez, just remember that in his home country he is well liked by about 70 or 80% of the population. He wins re-election very easily with solid majorities voting for him. Whereas President Bush is despised by the large majority of Americans.

The US should not be funding Columbia's military, it should not be stirring up trouble in the region and that is what is going on.
3

Carolyn 1,

05/03/2008 03:28:02
Wally- Evidently you neglected to read the news this year in major newspapers.

-NEWSFLASH- Venezuela did NOT vote to allow Chavez to run again.
-The reason his popularity is 'high' is because the media is state owned. Duh.
- Inflation is at 20% and there are food shortages; that indicates corruption on a large scale.
- Exxon has a court order and just froze $12 billion of state-owned assets.

Chavez picks fights to keep the spotlight away from the mess of the economy. That's not news.
4

SouthernGent,

05/03/2008 04:23:38
#2

"recently Columbia bombed Ecuador. They killed about 20 people including an important political leader. This is not the first incident either of Columbia intervening in both Ecuador and Venezuela over the last year."

How convienient of you to leave out the fact that the "important political leader" belonged to FARC, and has been kidnapping and killing Columbians for years. You set your post up to spin the story, when the truth is that Ecuador and Venezuela have been aiding and abetting the FARC guirellas for years.
5

Finnking,

Lempäälä 05/03/2008 04:51:06
"Bush accused Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez, of provocative manoeuvres and warned that he opposed any act of aggression in the region."

You couldn't make it up!
6

cam2644,

teulada moraira 05/03/2008 09:24:19
Chavez is not an ideal leader but at least he was elected by a majority vote unlike Bush.The US has long and sad story of interference in Latin America which has always resulted in disaster for all concerned. It would be in everyone·s interest if this affair was allowed to cool down but will Bush really want that to happen? He is out to topple Chavez,Correa and Morales from their respective elected Presidencies.
7

Tommy Trout,

Alicante 05/03/2008 09:40:20
Of course Bush would back Columbia, a state he has been providing money and "advisers" to for years in the so called war on cocaine. Venezuela on the other hand has been thumbing their nose (via Chaves) for a number of years past and is not toeing the USA party line. On the darker side, where is the CIA going to get it's cheap supply of drugs if they upset Columbia.
8

oder,

Scotland 05/03/2008 10:35:56
if you allow your territory to be used for terrorist activities you will end up with confrontation with that country that suffers it, this is the normal run of things. this is a simple case of right and wrong!international law prohibits states from giving protection to terrorists and allowing to operate from their countries.
the question is is farc operating from Ecuador? if they are then Columbians were justified and acted correctly and its Chavez brinkmanship who will bring it to war!
simple question! simple answer!
9

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 05/03/2008 11:04:48
"Bush backs Colombia as fear of Latin American war looms"

Forget an analysis of the real situation or its rights and wrongs, if Chavez is in the picture Bush would support the other guy.
10

bill2,

05/03/2008 12:06:08
Anything that Bushco says and does is designed to ensure a good supply of oil and drugs from the region. What's new?
11

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05/03/2008 12:39:20
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BMCG,

05/03/2008 13:22:02
One way to bring the troops out of Iraq ...
13

Stuart 2,

USA 05/03/2008 13:35:41
Columbai goes after a rebel in Equador. Chavez from Venequela sends troops to the border and of course it is Bush's fault. Get real people.

cam2664, don't like the way we elect our president. Remember Hitler and Stalin won by the majority of votes too. Question, when was the last time that Britain voted for Prime Minister?
14

Carolyn 1,

05/03/2008 14:07:43
#6 cam2644, teulada moraira

NEWSFLASH!!
For you and others who haven't read newspapers in 4 years:
In 2004, Bush received more popular votes than any presidential candidate in history.

Let me repeat that for you so you remember the truth!
In 2004, Bush received more popular votes than any presidential candidate in history.
DO you think you can remember it correctly or is the truth irrelevant for you?


Your assertion that the US is out to topple Chavez? Maybe being in Spain you missed that newsflash too, so I'll repeat it for ya: December, 2007 Venezuela voted AGAINST Chavez. After the loss, this comment was said about the career military officer, "Chavez thinks in terms of war: he has lost a battle and now he will return with a counteroffensive."

You being from Spain and all, you must have read when Spain's King Juan Carlos told Chavez to shut up. What a great moment that was for Spain!!
15

Turkey Jerky,

05/03/2008 15:21:24
#14

Those votes were fabricated. Columbia is more corrupt than Venezuela. Bush is NUTS!!!

Being from spain would be helpful in understanding the situation from actual people that live in latin america.

You are a warmonger. They shouldn't kill each other. Bombing another country is an act of war, initiated by Columbia. If you are going to do covert ops at least make sure they are COVERT. Not publicised EVERYWHERE.

Carolyn you find yourself taking an unjustifiable stance by swallowing whole the propaganda printed in your major "news" papers. Note: "news" should read "facts spinned so hard they break apart due to centripital forces"
16

Fanling,

Guangdong 05/03/2008 15:47:43
Will all the geographicallly illiterate atop here once and for all realise that the country is called Colombia. It's like, kinda near your North American homes. ColOmbia NOT ColUmbia. Repeat after me ...
17

mike - across the pond,

fanling 05/03/2008 16:26:01
ever heard the term quibling?

if you KNEW what they were talking about... and chose to pick it apart based on SPELLING not substance...

that tould be quibling...

repeat after me... quibbling is a sophomoric debating tactic...
18

Dáithí,

San Jose 05/03/2008 16:49:39
#10 - Bill2

>"Anything that Bushco says and does is designed to ensure a good supply of oil."

Responding to Chavez' attempt at starting a war hardly ensures a 'good supply of oil', it would actually remove oil from the market - as Chavez has stated.

Your statement is exactly opposite of reality.
19

bill2,

05/03/2008 17:01:41
18
Dáithí

On the contrary, it is the aggression of Bushco that threatens the oil supply.

Of course, Bushco could invade Venezuela on a trumped-up charge like they did in Iraq, and that would make things even worse.
20

Dáithí,

San Jose 05/03/2008 17:06:22
#19 - Bill2

Bill, in Post #10 you say:

>"Anything that Bushco says and does is designed to ensure a good supply of oil."

Yet in Post #19 you say:

>"...it is the aggression of Bushco that threatens the oil supply."

So he is working to 'ensure a good oil supply' by 'threatening the oil supply'?

On the surface, this appears to be a contradiction.
21

57Nomad,

california 05/03/2008 17:31:01
#2 Wally

Wally said:

"recently Columbia bombed Ecuador. They killed about 20 people including an important political leader."

Hey Wally! Wally, I think the guy that the Colombians killed was the leader of a pack of rebels, armed and violent, not a 'political' leader like, say, Adlai Stevenson.
22

Fanling,

Guangdong 05/03/2008 17:37:59
#17 mike - across the pond

If that reply was meant for me, then no, the Americanism "quibling" has not penetrated my receptors as yet, but am grateful for your pointing me to it, even if I have no time to check it out.

Does that still excuse the perpetually erroneous spelling of a country in close proximity to yours? You talk through your nether region in attempting to excuse blind ignorance.
23

57Nomad,

california 05/03/2008 17:38:42
#7 TT

TT said:

". On the darker side, where is the CIA going to get it's cheap supply of drugs if they upset Columbia."

I continue to be amused at the CIA/cocaine canard. Why would the CIA want cheap cocaine? Why would they want any cocaine at all? The usual answer is that they participate in the resale of the cocaine and use the profits to fund their nefarious activities. This defies logic and boggles the imagination.

Why would the CIA be interested in the piddling amount of money they could get from selling cocaine. It's couch cushion change. The CIA is funded by the American tax payers and because of that bottomless well of cash they have all the money they need. Cocaine indeed!
24

57Nomad,

california 05/03/2008 17:40:42
#9

LHTT said:

"Forget an analysis of the real situation or its rights and wrongs, if Chavez is in the picture Bush would support the other guy."

Forget an analysis of the real situation or its rights and wrongs, if Bush is in the picture LHTT would support the other guy.
25

Fanling,

Guangdong 05/03/2008 17:43:02
Lost from #22 above ... do you, Mike Pond, live in the Unemptied Stoats of Amorika?
26

Carolyn 1,

05/03/2008 17:45:35
15 Turkey Jerky,

You're one of 'those,'- the non-believers with a tin-foil hat who can't count the fingers on your hand. Please tell: How did a country the size of the US, while the world was watching, fabricate the 2004 popular vote in the presidential election?
I'll await the answer on that and then we can make arrangements for your multi-million dollar book deal that will follow.

Now that I see you are also the expert on all worldly matters and know the real true 'news', please explain how a country is the the 5th largest oil producer in the world but has no milk for the people.
With all that income why is there a food shortage in Venezuela?
Why is inflation so high people are starving in a country as fantastic as Venezuela?
SO tell me TurkeyJerky where's the milk?
Where's the beef?
Please hurry with the answer, because people are starving.
27

57Nomad,

california 05/03/2008 17:53:52
#15 TJ

TJ said:

"Being from spain would be helpful in understanding the situation from actual people that live in latin america."

Really? Are you sure? Of all of the people living in the United States the largest group are those of German descent. Do you think that being a German would be helpful in understanding the actual people that live in the US?

Ecuador is harboring FARC gangsters. By knowingly doing so, Ecuador has been committing an act of war against Colombia. You have it backward.

Wally, I can't believe a tough guy like you let that fh punk bully you into posting under a different name. Get some spine.
28

mike - across the pond,

fanling.... 05/03/2008 18:34:37
fanling old buddy old pal....

usually I dont find much use for GC... but... where is he when you need him....? he of the full frontal assault on china's stellar human rights record...

I see you have NOTHING of substance to offer... just a bunch of quibling background noise...

hope you have a good olympics...
29

Carolyn 1,

05/03/2008 18:51:45
15 Turkey Jerky,

It occurs to me you are also confused with geography as well as the news,to that I will mention that the reason in my post to #6 cam2644, teulada moraira
I said this: "You being from Spain and all, you must have read when Spain's King Juan Carlos told Chavez to shut up. What a great moment that was for Spain!!"
I made that remark because Teulada Moraira is in Spain.


Then of course there is the Turkey's retort to me at #15:
"Being from spain would be helpful in understanding the situation from actual people that live in latin america."
- That statement makes absolutely no sense, so you need to explain that as well when you tell me where I can find milk and beef for Venezuela.
I and the Venezuelan people anxiously await your answer. Thanking you so kindly in advance.
30

Capital Son,

Out There 05/03/2008 19:23:51
Turkey into Iraq

Israel into Gaza

Colombia into Ecuador

Does anyone see a pattern here? The yes-men allies of the Bush administration are allowed carte blanche to tramble over neighbouring borders as they see fit in "the right of self defence" or "pursuit of terrorist groups"

The Bush doctrine of shock, awe and pre-emptive warfare.
31

bill2,

05/03/2008 19:36:44
20
Dáithí


So he is working to 'ensure a good oil supply' by 'threatening the oil supply'?

On the surface, this appears to be a contradiction.

But in the subsurface world of Bushco, once Chavez goes because the oil revenue drops, the Bushco puppet will turn the taps on full.
32

mike - across the pond,

#15 & TJ 05/03/2008 20:07:16
"those votes were fabricated"... which election are you talking about?

the 2007 Venezuelan election? please explain HOW that would come to be... one would think Chavez would have that one pretty well covered... and Chavez didnt even whine down THIS path...

the Columbian election? please explain WHY that would come to be... (please follow the WHY with plausable Whos... Whens.... and Hows...)

the US election (2000 OR 2004?) and again... how or when THAT would be... (um yes I DO have both barrels loaded if THAT is the lame argument you are whining about)
33

mike - across the pond,

bill 05/03/2008 20:15:10
some little factoids here...

chavez is hostile to bush...

and would do ANYTHING to make bush look bad... (like offering alaskans & newEnglanders free venezuelan crude)...

so please explain to us HOW (or even why) chavez is cooperating with bush to reduce venezuelan crude production until chavez leaves office so bush can resume "normal" production levels... this doesnt make ANY sense... much less have any apparent touch with reality...
34

Lynne,

USA 05/03/2008 20:26:15
#30..Oviously you have forgotten about Chavez's speech at the UN. He is no friend of Bush.
35

bill2,

05/03/2008 20:36:11
33
mike - across the pond

Sorry, I missed the quotes from Daithi's contribution.

It should have read:

"So he is working to 'ensure a good oil supply' by 'threatening the oil supply'?"

"On the surface, this appears to be a contradiction."

But in the subsurface world of Bushco, once Chavez goes because the oil revenue drops, the Bushco puppet will turn the taps on full.

In other words, Bush will do all he can to hit Venezuelan production and drive Chavez out, so he can install his own man to make it flow the way he wants.
36

John Blackley,

Winter Garden, FL 05/03/2008 21:24:08
A point that was made once is worth making again - because in all the "America's to blame for everything.........mo it isn't.........yes it is" highbrow debate, that point appears to have been lost.

Colombia did not drop bombs on Ecuadoran territory because it was a slow news day and Chavez is not simply a concerned citizen.

Ecuador has - for many years - given refuge to FARC guerrilas who murder, rape and kidnap Colombian citizens. Hugo Chavez is often accused of giving aid and comfort to FARC (and documents recovered after Colombia's raid suggest this 'aid and comfort' has recently run to many millions of dollars).

So, to all the "America is to blame for everything" crowd, I'd say this: Colombia took extraordinary action to curtail the actions of terrorists. A line on a map didn't hinder them - it only provided Chavez with a much-needed excuse to draw attention away from his own failings.
37

Lynne,

USA 05/03/2008 22:02:55
bill2..have you been sitting in on Cabinet meetings and advisor meetings?
How do you know for sure that this is what he is going to do?
Your hatred is showing.
38

Furchrissake,

05/03/2008 22:46:16
Watch out, Colombia, the bushman has you in his sights. Any friend of Bush is an enemy of the people of the free world.
39

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 05/03/2008 23:26:46
# 24 57Nomad

"Forget an analysis of the real situation or its rights and wrongs, if Bush is in the picture LHTT would support the other guy".

....Well blow me down, something on which we agree.

....I'll forget Bush when he's faced justice and behind bars.
40

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 06/03/2008 00:12:00
Bush has a starring role in this movie but he didn't win an Oscar.

http://www.taxitothedarkside.com/
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Dáithí,

San Jose 06/03/2008 00:14:56
#35 - Bill2

>"But in the subsurface world of Bushco, once Chavez goes because the oil revenue drops, the Bushco puppet will turn the taps on full."

Chavez will go as communists always go, their people will run them out - without having any right to vote on it, of course.

>"In other words, Bush will do all he can to hit Venezuelan production and drive Chavez out, so he can install his own man to make it flow the way he wants."

So he's 'hitting' Venezuela by making them attack Colombia?

Chavez is such a simpleton that Bush can easily manipulate him into attacking Colombia because of a military operation in Ecuador?

Clearly, Chavez is much stupider than we can believe, or Bush, being easily able to manipulate Chavez, is apparently much smarter.

No wait - Chavez is a communist. He is easily much stupider than anyone can believe, except for his followers, of course.
42

57Nomad,

california 06/03/2008 02:05:45
#39 LHTT

LHTT said:

"....I'll forget Bush when he's faced justice and behind bars."

Yeah? So what?
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06/03/2008 02:24:15
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Dáithí,

San Jose 06/03/2008 04:46:16
#43 - Bill2

>"as an American he should know better and point out it's his Congress that holds the checkbook, so to put the blame on Bush for the funding is a joke."

That is correct, Bill, and Wally is wrong. The Democrat-controlled House of Representatives is the one funding the war in Iraq, as it always has.
45

Conan,

Chile 06/03/2008 07:35:37
The 'attack' undertaken by the Columbian Forces against the FARC who were enjoying the hospitality of the Ecuadoran Government was entirely right, proper, legal and justified. Thos who disagree with this position are, for the most part, idiots, US-haters, communists and/or other forms of fool.

Chavez, on the other hand, literally has no bunsiness involving himself in this matter. The attack took place in Ecuador, not in Venezuela.

Chavez, like all despots who's plan is failing and is falling from favour will inevitably create and perpetuate the image of some 'outside' enemy .... be it the US, 'foreign' land owners, 'foreign' corporations, 'foreign' missionaries, and so on. We saw this with Galtieri, in Agentina - and we all know what led to.

Chavez seems intent on taking his nation down the same road - unless someone stops him, and the sooner the better.
46

bill2,

06/03/2008 07:36:09
43 is not me.

The security of the Scotsman is defective when someone else can take my exact name, and I am reporting the post.
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Hemingway,

06/03/2008 08:26:10
46 bill2

Why is it that it is only you wacky FH folks making those crazy claims. How does someone take someones exaxt ID? I think you folks are making it up to bring attention to your site. Claiming the Scotsman has securty issues. Give us a break. Deleting your own comments only makes yourself look silly.
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oder,

Scotland 06/03/2008 09:20:53
45 Conan,Chile 06/03/
spot on!
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bill2,

06/03/2008 09:39:12
47
Hemingway

You may remember that I drew readers' attention to the fact that it is indeed possible for a troll to appropriate an exact name since the site was redesigned.

For this reason I ceased posting as the site was insecure, and I drew the editor's attention to this grave issue.

Hoping that it had been dealt with, I recommenced posting a short while ago, but obviously there is still a problem.

The Scotsman's database has been hacked, and you should be very careful when posting here.
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06/03/2008 11:21:08
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bill2,

06/03/2008 11:57:27
50
Moreen

You can't do it, Hemingway and I would not be able to do it either.

But hear me well, there are those who can, and they are wrecking this forum.
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06/03/2008 12:38:50
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Dáithí,

San Jose 06/03/2008 15:51:23
Another decent conversation shot to hell.
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07/03/2008 03:22:47
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Fred Trucker,

22/07/2009 16:16:37
Bush is an idiot devoid of a brain.

 

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