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Published Date: 08 October 2008
HUNDREDS of thousands of UK savers were yesterday blocked from withdrawing their cash from Icesave, the troubled Icelandic internet bank, amid warnings the parent group was likely to go into liquidation.
Icesave's owner, Landsbanki, has been nationalised and put in receivership – and the UK Financial Services Authority (FSA) believes it will go bust.

Furious British customers were told they faced battling through two different compensation schemes to get their money back. Between the 300,000 of them, they have £5 billion in Icesave.

The collapse was a salutary lesson in how financial problems overseas can, and likely will, impact on the UK.

And across the world yesterday, countries continued to struggle with the effects of the global financial crisis.

In Japan, shares dropped to their lowest level in almost five years. The benchmark Nikkei 225 index lost 317.90 points, or 3.03 per cent, to close at 10,155.90 – its lowest finish since December 2003.

Russia's stock markets opened hours late, in the wake of steep plunges on Monday.

And President George Bush reached out to European leaders to urge co-ordination. The White House said he was open to the idea of a leaders' summit on the economic upheaval. He spoke after European Union finance ministers agreed to increase the guarantee for customers' bank savings accounts to at least 50,000, or £38,900.

Icesave customers logged their dismay on internet forums after learning that, while the funds of their Icelandic counterparts had been guaranteed, they would be given no such privilege.

Justin Smith, an IT consultant from west London, said: "I feel confused and badly informed by Icesave – there has been no direct communication from the firm and now I am unable to withdraw my life savings, with no idea what happens from here."

The Icelandic government has been battling to save the country's economy, which has been teetering on the brink of disaster because of its reliance on the rapidly expanded banking sector.

On Monday night, it announced it was taking on greater powers over the banks, including the ability to force them to sell off foreign assets. Then, yesterday morning, the Icelandic Financial Supervisory Authority issued a statement saying the government had taken control of Landsbanki.

It sought to reassure domestic savers that their money was fully guaranteed by the government, adding that domestic branches, call centres, cash machines and internet operations would be "open for business as usual".

But the guarantee did not extend to UK savers. Customers logging on to Icesave's website were greeted with a message telling them the group was not processing any deposits or withdrawal requests on its internet accounts.

The FSA then warned that it expected the Icelandic authorities to put the group into insolvency proceedings, meaning they would need to claim their money back through compensation schemes.

Although they are entitled to compensation of up to £50,000 under the terms of the UK deposit guarantee scheme, the first £16,317 would be the responsibility of the Icelandic scheme.

The worry is that the Icelandic scheme has only £88 million to cover the £13 billion deposited in a shaky system.

The Icelandic government is supposed to step in and cover any shortfall, but with the country struggling to avoid economic collapse there are doubts as to whether the government would be able to guarantee deposits worth twice the country's GDP. On Monday night Geir Haarde, the prime minister, warned there was a threat of "national bankruptcy".

An Icesave spokeswoman said that, as a last resort, three other Scandinavian governments – Sweden, Norway and Denmark – would back Iceland in an emergency.

Meanwhile yesterday, Russia pledged a £3.11 billion loan to boost Iceland's foreign exchange reserves. The Central Bank of Iceland also fixed the exchange rate of the country's currency, the krona, to try to stabilise the domestic economy.

And Kaupthing, the country's largest bank, sought to reassure customers it was financially sound. It owns Kaupthing Edge, which is registered as a UK bank. It is regulated by the FSA, meaning that, in the unlikely event of a problem, consumers would receive all their compensation from the Financial Services Compensation Scheme.

Kaupthing Edge has a number of high profile British clients and has dealt with Sir Tom Hunter, Gordon Ramsay and Mike Ashley, owner of Newcastle United Football Club.

Collapse will make waves over here, but savings safe – to a limit

What has happened to this Icelandic bank?

The FSA said it expected the Icelandic authorities to put Landsbanki into insolvency proceedings after it went into receivership yesterday morning.

Why do I care?

Aside from the global implications, it has several UK businesses. It offers online savings products through Icesave and a range of products including mortgages and savings through Heritable Bank. It is thought to have more than 300,000 UK customers.

What is happening to Icesave and Heritable Bank?

Icesave is not processing any deposits or any withdrawal requests on its internet accounts. It is not giving out any information beyond this.

Heritable Bank is also not allowing any new deposits or withdrawals.

What happens to my money if insolvency proceedings start?

Insolvency proceedings would trigger payouts from depositor protection schemes.

Consumers' savings would be protected up to £50,000 through a combination of the Icelandic deposit compensation scheme and the UK's Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS).

I have more than £50,000 invested, what will happen to the rest of my money?

Unfortunately, sums above this amount are not covered by the compensation schemes and you would have to join the queue with other creditors.

If insolvency proceedings are started how do I go about reclaiming my money?

You do not need to do anything initially. The FSCS will have the names of all those who have savings with the group and will write to you with the relevant forms that will need to be completed.

The scheme has never made claims in conjunction with another country's plan before, but the FSCS says it would hope to make the process as straightforward as possible.

I have a mortgage with Heritable Bank, what will happen to that?

Heritable's mortgage book would be seen as an asset and sold on to another group. However, if you also have savings with Heritable, you will not receive compensation for them. Instead, they will be deducted from the value of your debt.


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  • Last Updated: 07 October 2008 9:34 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Rufus T. Firefly,

08/10/2008 00:27:42
Nevsky can Norwegian Investors get their money out of Iceland?

Everyone loves your Norway Stories.
2

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 08/10/2008 00:41:27
#1 NO the assets are frozen!!
3

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 08/10/2008 00:54:09
Rufus you may well take amusement from the current financial crisis, but it is at present British savers in Icesave living in the United Kingdom who will lose all their savings over £50,000. had the British Goverenment given the same undertakings as Ireland then they would have had these savings protected.

All countries irrespective of their size or status are affected by this crisis but it seems to me that the unionists are revelling in it, as they feel it gives them the opportunity to attack the SNP, which is quite bizarre as the Scottish Government has not control over the financial markets. Then again no government has.
4

truthsleuth,

08/10/2008 01:16:05
These investors invested in a foreign bank why should the British Taxpayer protect them.
5

Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 08/10/2008 01:47:23
Truthsleuth. I have sympathy with what you say. The financial and banking sectors have run rings round the FSA which ought have had far more rigid controls in place with legislation specifying which banks would be authorised and guaranteed.

I would expect Landsbanki had a licence to operate as a bank in the UK. The problems arise with internet banking which cannot be properly controlled. The high interest rates offered by any bank ought to be a warning to investors as you never get something for nothing.

Perhaps the government should give unlimited guarantee only to British banks (possibly also EU banks where they are given protection to the level granted by their governments ) with foreign banks have a less secured or even unsecured status. It would entice investors in this country to stay with our own banks.

Foreign banks operating here should be prohibited from seeking custom from British individuals unless they have sufficient deposits with the Bank of England
6

GalacticCannibal,

Murrieta CA fofr more WAR VOTE McCain 08/10/2008 06:06:41
Dudes,

The mean average of each Brits deposit, in this Iceland bank is £16,700.
Because the UK's (FSCS) will only kick in financial support after (if) and when the Iceland bank pays out £16.317. These investor Dudes get the shaft.

Still its not much money only $29,400 each.. NO BIG DEAL

GC
7

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08/10/2008 06:23:12
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Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 08/10/2008 07:02:55
Silly people, depositing money with a foreign website offering far higher interests rates than they could get in the UK. Sums it all up really!
9

Rufus T. Firefly,

08/10/2008 07:09:50
They should have deposited their money into Norwegian Banks, then it would have been safe.
10

JaE_in_Oz,

Oz 08/10/2008 07:12:29
High interest = high risk. If it seems too good to be true it probably is.
11

Hibbee_with_a_heart,

Staring into the Abyss 08/10/2008 07:52:31
I'm one of those people with money in Icesave and I look at that account as no more risky than the money I have in HBOS and Lloyds TSB. Maybe those who reckon it was bad judgement could remind me of which banks were hit first. Funny, I seem to remember that the skids went under HBOS first. What if it had been RBS that the my account was in? As it is, I am probably even worse off because I did react to the warning signs and moved some of my money on Monday. Guess where? Yep! RBS.
As to those who condemn us for putting money in a foreign bank. Where do you shop? Lidl? Aldi? Ikea? Maybe not regularly but sometimes? No different from saver with Icesave. The difference is any taxes on our interest goes to the UK government.
Myself, I put some of my pension lump sum into Icesave because I got fed up being screwed by British banks who more and more looked at the money that I had in their banks as something I should thank them for and not something I was lending to them.
In the end let's all hope that this all ends soon because it will hit us all, even those with their money stuffed under their mattresses and those with no money to save at all.
Frankly, I don't believe that any fix will be permanent as the whole system is run with greed as its driving force. Wanting and getting more and more can only be satisfied until the limits of expansion are reached.
12

Ceanne,

East kilbride. 08/10/2008 07:56:05
Someone gave this bank a license to operate in the U.K.
Watch out..... the sniper may have it's sight's on your bank. Don't be so smug, mug's, it could happen to you.
13

David MacVicar,

web 08/10/2008 08:26:33
Can anyone tell me why the top managers at the FSA have not been sacked with immediate effect? If they are not incompetent they are at best completely useless, ineffective and therefore serve no purpose.
14

Gusto,

08/10/2008 08:38:38
Bit behind the times as usual, or it sticks in the craw...
Finnish government spokesman yesterday said their "so-called-friends" had let them down badly, so they turned to the Russians for help - and got it - and not the measly 3 blm mentioned here.
Oh it hurts so much to write, excrutiating pain to tell the truth, oh! where's that iron curtain again... pain....pain...
15

Linda,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 08:45:41
18 months too little too late by Brown and Darling.
Also the leaks from Darling (or his advisers) over this and the Lloyds /HBOS take over has devastated RBS and HBOS shares.
16

the hodge,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 09:10:22
#4#9#11

Icesave is a UK bank you numpties, its parent company is Icelandic. Are all people with money in the Abbey ar**holes for investing in a Spanish owned bank...i dont think so
17

C U Jimmy,

Mauchline 08/10/2008 09:42:46
I bet that all the bank CEO's and presidents are still collecting their fat pay cheques.
18

MM,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 09:49:03
#18 The reason they have not been sacked is because by doing so, Brown would be admitting that they and the FSA itself (which was his brainchild) were and are completey fecking useless.
19

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 08/10/2008 10:13:43
Will this relentless and ruthless plunge into worldwide recession never end?

Blame it on Baby BUsh and his band of incompetents in his Cabinet and his lackeys at Wall Street.

The STUPIDEST, BRAIN-DEAD AND DISCREDITED PRESIDENT EVER!
20

Linmal,

Livingston 08/10/2008 12:26:20
#4 I agree with you wholeheartedly.
21

Lianachan,

Highlands 08/10/2008 13:26:02
Given the invasion and occupation of Iceland during WW2, plus the Cod Wars, etc, I don't think Iceland has much love for many NATO members anyway.
22

middle aged,

edinburgh 08/10/2008 13:34:33
As with 4 absolutely no sympathy with the people who put their money into this bank.Why should we bail them out?Maybe those who have rushed into putting their funds into Ireland should think again-guarantees not worth the paper they are written on?
23

BrianScottie,

Toronto, Canada 08/10/2008 13:38:12
People generally deposit funds in off-shore financial institutions for two basic reasons-higher interest rates and avoidance of income taxes in home country. If interest rates posted are substantially higher one should be governed by the rule, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
24

Silence of the Yams,

08/10/2008 13:53:57
Avoiding taxes brings risks, too bad!
25

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 14:04:37
I saw this headline that said "Iceland goes bust". For one brief exciting moment I thought that we would now be spared all of those awful, annoying adverts with Kerry Katona.
26

TB,

Edinburgh 08/10/2008 14:08:38
We have a relatively small deposit in Icesave (registered in Wallsend, England, by the way).
As recently as the October 08 edition of "Which", the Consumer Association magazine (received only days ago), Icesave came up in their "Best Buys" for Savings Accounts, and in September for cash ISAs.
As for Spanish banks, we had money in Abbey long before it merged with Santander, so were we supposed to move it all once the merger took place?
27

RV9,

Dallas 08/10/2008 16:42:28
>>>now I am unable to withdraw my life savings<<<

Get on a plane, go to Iceland, and withdraw it from the ATMs. They said all the domestic branches and ATMs are open and working! Get it out now!
28

Stirling Sentinel,

Stirling 08/10/2008 20:08:49
Time to form an economic and political union with Iceland, nationalise it, give it the benefits of elf'n safety as a bribe, and bring it into Alec Salmond's Utopia here in Scotland.
29

John Ross,

Canada 10/10/2008 20:21:06
How can a nation as great as Scotland get screwed by ICELAND??

 

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