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Published Date: 29 October 2008
JONATHAN Ross and Russell Brand have been suspended in the wake of the controversy over their lewd calls to Fawlty Towers star Andrew Sachs, the BBC said today.
The decision came as the BBC received 18,000 complaints over the furore.

BBC director-general Mark Thompson said it was "not appropriate for either Russell Brand or Jonathan Ross to continue broadcasting on the BBC until I have seen the full report of the actions of all concerned".

In a statement, the BBC director-general apologised to licence payers
for the comedians' actions.

"I would like to add my own personal and unreserved apology to Andrew Sachs, his family and to licence fee payers for the completely unacceptable broadcast on BBC Radio 2, he said.

"BBC audiences accept that, in comedy, performers attempt to push the line of taste. However, this is not a marginal case.

"It is clear from the views expressed by the public that this broadcast has caused severe offence and I share that view.

The BBC boss added that the Corporation's investigation into the incident was close to completion and that "lessons would be learned".

"Since Sunday, I have been in regular contact with the senior executives I tasked with handling this issue, he said.

"The investigation that I instructed Tim Davie to conduct is nearing completion, and I am returning to London to review the findings and, in the coming days, announce what action we will take.

"In the meantime, I have decided that it is not appropriate for either Russell Brand or Jonathan Ross to continue broadcasting on the BBC until I have seen the full report of the actions of all concerned.

"This gross lapse of taste by the performers and the production team has angered licence payers.

"I am determined that we satisfy them that any lessons will be learnt and appropriate action taken."

In a written statement, Mr Thompson said the broadcast was a "gross lapse of taste" and a "severe offence".

He said he had apologised to actor Mr Sachs over the broadcast.

He said: "I would like to add my own personal and unreserved apology to Andrew Sachs, his family and to licence fee payers for the completely unacceptable broadcast on BBC Radio 2.

"BBC audiences accept that, in comedy, performers attempt to push the line of taste.

"However, this is not a marginal case. It is clear from the views expressed by the public that this broadcast has caused severe offence and I share that view.

"Since Sunday, I have been in regular contact with the senior executives I tasked with handling this issue.

"The investigation that I instructed Tim Davie to conduct is nearing completion, and I am returning to London to review the findings and, in the coming days, announce what action we will take.

"In the meantime, I have decided that it is not appropriate for either Russell Brand or Jonathan Ross to continue broadcasting on the BBC until I have seen the full report of the actions of all concerned.

"This gross lapse of taste by the performers and the production team has angered licence payers.

"I am determined that we satisfy them that any lessons will be learnt and appropriate action taken.

"I have been asked to report to the Trust's Editorial Standards Committee before the end of this week and will discuss with the trust the findings of the report and the actions I propose."

A BBC spokesman said the corporation will comment in due course on what will happen to the pair's shows which are due to air this week.

Ross had been understood to be filming his weekly BBC television chat show Friday Night With Jonathan Ross today.

Guests Sir David Attenborough, Disney star Miley Cyrus, comedian Frank Skinner and band The Killers were all expected to attend.

The BBC had said before Mr Thompson's statement that the radio shows of Ross and Brand would still air on Saturday.

Mr Thompson is thought to have been on holiday as the row erupted but the BBC would not comment.

A Parliamentary motion criticising the calls has been signed by 13 MPs from across the parties, and several more have signalled they will back it.

Tory MP Nigel Evans, one of the motion's signatories and a member of the Culture, Media and Sport Select Committee, said the Director General's statement was "long overdue".

"It would appear that this statement has been made just minutes prior to Prime Minister's question time and with the focus of attention shifting towards the Director General," he said.

"He has made the right decision in suspending the pair and by stating that they had crossed a line that was totally unacceptable.

"He must now make sure that the investigation is speedy and must fully cooperate with the Ofcom investigation.

"Should he find that they have breached their contracts in the way that they performed this offensive prank, then they should no longer be in receipt of licence payers money and their contracts should be terminated."

Mr Thompson's statement comes 11 days after the offensive prank was broadcast on Radio 2.

It follows yesterday's criticism by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, who described the behaviour of the presenters as "inappropriate and unacceptable".

In a message left on his voicemail, the pair claimed Brand had slept with the Fawlty Towers actor's granddaughter Georgina Baillie, 23.

The presenters, in the pre-recorded show – which was cleared to air despite Sachs being upset by it – also joked the actor might kill himself.

Meanwhile, Brand, who is thought to be paid more than £200,000 a year, was preparing to fly to the US for "work reasons".

A spokesperson for the star was not commenting on the BBC's decision to suspend him.

Brand was travelling out of the country to continue to make films, he said.

A spokesman for Ross, who is said to earn £6 million a year from the BBC, was unavailable for comment.

A source later said that tonight's recording of Friday Night With Jonathan Ross has been cancelled.

Miss Baillie called today for Ross and Brand to be sacked for their lewd phone calls.

The aspiring model also threatened that she could make an official complaint to police, but admitted she had slept with Brand.

She branded the high-earning presenters "cruel sickos".

In an interview with The Sun, Miss Baillie said: "What's funny about humiliating a lovely old man who has never harmed anyone in his life? My grandfather is really upset and says he wants the whole situation to end.

"I will be speaking to him to ask whether we should complain to the police and we'll be making the decision as a family.

"They (Brand and Ross) should at least pay for what they've done with their jobs."

She also said that the Radio 2 bosses who allowed the DJs' on-air calls to be broadcast should also go.

She added that she felt "totally and utterly exposed and betrayed" by the calls.

Ross, 47, has issued a personal apology to Sachs accompanied by flowers, with Brand, 33, following suit.

A BBC spokeswoman later confirmed that the presenters' radio shows and Friday Night With Jonathan Ross would be replaced by "other programmes".

She had no more details about what the replacement programmes would be.

Brand publicly apologised to Mr Sachs as he left his home in Hampstead, north west London, today.

Surrounded by dozens of photographers and reporters, the star said: "I'm sorry that I have upset Mr Sachs."


Here is the full statement from BBC director-general Mark Thompson:

"I would like to add my own personal and unreserved apology to Andrew Sachs, his family and to licence fee payers for the completely unacceptable broadcast on BBC Radio 2.

"BBC audiences accept that, in comedy, performers attempt to push the line of taste. However, this is not a marginal case.

"It is clear from the views expressed by the public that this broadcast has caused severe offence and I share that view.

"Since Sunday, I have been in regular contact with the senior executives I tasked with handling this issue.

"The investigation that I instructed Tim Davie to conduct is nearing completion, and I am returning to London to review the findings and, in the coming days, announce what action we will take.

"In the meantime, I have decided that it is not appropriate for either Russell Brand or Jonathan Ross to continue broadcasting on the BBC until I have seen the full report of the actions of all concerned.

"This gross lapse of taste by the performers and the production team has angered licence payers.

"I am determined that we satisfy them that any lessons will be learnt and appropriate action taken.

"I have been asked to report to the Trust's Editorial Standards Committee before the end of this week and will discuss with the Trust the findings of the report and the actions I propose."

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  • Last Updated: 29 October 2008 3:08 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The BBC
 
1

JulesF,

Kirkliston 29/10/2008 11:44:37
Without pay I hope.
The pair of them are a disgrace !
2

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 29/10/2008 11:46:28
What's the betting that this bit of 'gardening leave' - still on full pay of £6 million a year will be used to kick this into the long grass; Ofcom will take a month or two to produce its 'inquiry' and Ross and Brand will be back 'fing and blinding us in time for Christmas. What a wonderful world it must be inside the BBC bubble: fat salaries, fun, fun fun every day and no sense of responsibility whatever.
3

Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 11:48:13
Number of complaints made during and immediately after the broadcast: 2.

Number of complaints made since by people who didn't even hear it: 17,998.

And what of Mr Sach's grand-daughter, the terribly wronged party in all of this who performs as a member of rubbish Burlesque group "The Satanic S1uts" and has traded on her grandfather's name to get that far in showbiz? She has grasped the opportunity for a career-making bout of publicity and is now represented by one Max Clifford.
4

Anonym,

29/10/2008 11:52:14
How about suspending the BBC licence fee?
5

Luke Skywalker,

29/10/2008 11:57:40
Delighted
6

MyricaGale,

Angus 29/10/2008 12:02:58
Russel Brand seems to fit all the Criteria for an extremely Narcissistic Personality. Part of this is that he seems to believe he is beyond any law.
He isn't.

Sadly, I am disappointed that Johnathon Ross allowed this to happen.

Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that the BBC allowed the broadcast - aren't they all a bunch of Narcissistic "luvvies"?

Agree with Duncan (#4) about Georgina Baillie - if she "slept" with RB then it was to further her career perhaps! Can't think of any other reason.....
7

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:03:44
#4 Duncan
For once I completely agree with you Duncan
Its become lynch mob rule led by the Daily Mail/Mail on Sunday
Its completely pathetic as everyone jumps on the mob mentality band wagon
Regardless of what people think as to the talents of Brand and Ross. People should actually listen to what was actually said and not what has een reported in the rags. Also it doesnt take much to Google Georgina Baillie and find out exactly what is going on.
As for Ross and Brand, perhaps they are better off not being on the BBC, who are turninginto a spineless bunch of idiots
8

JCA REID,

Annan 29/10/2008 12:04:59
go on ol' manuel!! do the buggars for slander & a breach of the peace.furthermore under the communications act!!
9

The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

29/10/2008 12:12:49
Both these guys trade off a "near the knuckle" type of comedy, some folk like it some folk don't. But... it's inevitable that they will go too far sometimes.
To be honest, if the BBC do get rid of them over this, then they'll find work soon enough elsewhere. And maybe the BBC isn't the place for them, if Auntie Beeb is still claiming to be some sort of moral-high-ground, holier-than-thou broadcaster they should probbaly stick to repeats of "Just A Minute", let someone else push the boundaries,
10

Liz,

Edinburgh 29/10/2008 12:13:15
What a farce, as Duncan in Edinburgh quite rightly points out most of these complaints have been made long after the broadcast and almost certainly by people who didnt listen to the show in the first place.

I can understand why Mr Sachs is/was upset but this whole issue has been blown out of all proportion. Quite how this thing has escalated to people like Gordon Brown making comments about I do not know.

11

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:19:49
You can see a video of Georgina Baillies group
at http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zuEONuAF7e8
12

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/10/2008 12:22:39
#12:

"...this whole issue has been blown out of all proportion."

It could well have been. Not having heard the broadcast myself, I am not in a position to comment on it's content.

All I can say is that I have noticed several moments during Ross's long career where he has been rude, nasty and vidictive towards other people on air---mainly because he either doesn't agree with their view point or he decides to castigate them for some faux pas etc that they may have recently been involved in.

As far as Andrew Sachs' grand-daughter is concerned, good luck to her. And to those small-minded people who can't understand how she can be allowed to do such things I say "Grow up. Get a life and keep your noses out of other people's business".
13

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:22:46
Georgina Baillie aka Voluptua's profile page
http://voluptua.livejournal.com/profile?mode=full
Claims (amongst other things) 'Who I'd like to meet: Fun and open minded people'
14

WJohn,

West Lothian 29/10/2008 12:22:57
May the curse of Simon Dee be upon them!
15

Jay Kay,

29/10/2008 12:29:50
Edward, thanks for the links but wholly cr*p man Im at work are you trying to get me sacked lol!!! I honestly cant look at them, will wait until I get home hehehehehe.

Honestly after seeing this JR and RB should get of with a minor slap, this girl has NO shame.
16

crabbit_bassa,

29/10/2008 12:33:04
Brand obviously wasnt bullied enough as a child.
17

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:34:18
#17
I would agree with you if the Grand Daughter was just another person on the street, that does not court publicity.
But I would strongly recommend you watch the Video of the Satanic S1uts as well as her profile page, then tell me it wasnt a PR stunt
If a family member of mine was in a group like that and led that lifestyle, then would say that they were up to any PR stunt going to further their career
I know she is decribed as a 'dancer in a burlesque troupe' in the Daily Mail, the reality is some what different as the group she belongs to has Nazi overtones as well as extreme goth.
18

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:35:57
#19
Thanks Jay
Yes you should take care when viewing the video...
At least you have taken the time to check it out
19

57vintage,

Keith 29/10/2008 12:36:06
#4

"And what of Mr Sach's grand-daughter, the terribly wronged party in all of this who performs as a member of rubbish Burlesque group "The Satanic S1uts""

So, are you saying she was "asking for it" then?

How very enlightened and metrosexual of you.

I like Ross (radio rather than TV) but find Brand offensive, narcissistic and unspeakably arrogant.

"Comedy" is becomeing ever more cruel as the boundaries are pushed. Perhaps this will be a shot across the bows of those responsible.

Whether or not Sachs and his family are perceived as public property, they have the right to privacy as individuals.

Brand and Ross should have been sacked though. In any other business this would be deemed gross misconduct and dismissal would have been inevitable.
20

Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 12:37:07
#17 The point is that this story is in the papers because the unimpeachable young lady impugned by these cads is promoting it! She has hired Max Clifford and is milking the story. The poor, defenceless, wronged girl.
21

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

29/10/2008 12:37:38
"Gross lapse of taste"?

If any of us did this while at work, we'd be sacked on the spot and the police called. Perhaps what we need is the Director-General's home number. After a few of us have left similar messages on his own phone, perhaps he'll finally recognise it for what it is and take some real action.
22

Calum Crubag,

29/10/2008 12:39:21
#21 - does it matter what the grandaughter does for a living? Should a 78yo man be subjected to that kind of stuff?

I hope you don't get punished because of your children or grandchildren's choice of career or bed partner.
23

Doh,

29/10/2008 12:44:35
The girl in question has been humilated and betrayed by Russel Brand on national radio. She had no other way of getting an apology from this pair of trossers without going to the press.

If Brand had not had a relationship with her it might just have been funny. As it was he was simply abusing his position without a care to her feelings. I would call that abuse.

They should both be sacked by the BBC for making obscene phone calls which is against the law.

No one should think of themselves as above the law wether it is an overpaid celebrity, russsian oligarch or a sleezy politician.
24

G,

dundy 29/10/2008 12:45:23
What Ross and Brand did was disgraceful and creepy. If any other BBC staffer had done this, never mind have it broadcasted, they'd be sacked...AND should these two...
MAybe they should also be added to the sex offenders list...

AND it is irrelevant what the granddaughter did or does now...
25

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:46:32
#26 Calum Crubag
Do you actually know whats going on??
Do you think that Andrew Sachs is not aware ofwhat his Grand Daughter does for a living?. Or are you of the Daiy Mail school of thought that Andrew Sachs was not aware and is not a public figurfe and does not know Jonathon Ross that wel and thinks Georgina Baillie aka Voluptua is not seeking a lot of publicity (especially since Redemption TV was replaced by Rockworld on Sky) and is not under the guidance of Max Clifford
Get a grip!
26

Active Sassenach,

Luton, England 29/10/2008 12:46:47
#11, The Hon. Liam Fairtod. #4, Duncan in Edinburgh and #8, Edward.

If Ross and Brand wanted to attack Andrew Sachs' grand-daughter, they could have contacted her directly instead of harassing him. What they did offended mainly against taste and decency although they also deliberately inflicted indignity which is not right. But that offence is magnified by the obscene sums of money they are paid out of public taxation, euphemistically known as a BBC Licence Fee.

An offence is not the less for the victim's and the public's reaction to it once discovered. It is no good saying only two people complained if only two people heard it. If the offences committed by the banks were concealed, so nobody found out, would the reckless fuelling of greed be the less? The complaint in either case is made by a wider group than those who witnessed or were affected by it.

Clearly Ross and Brand are not for the BBC as they cannot be trusted to adhere to its principles. They should have their contracts terminated without compensation or notice, be required to return 40% of their last year's remuneration to the BBC and be required to pay a sum of damages to Andrew Sachs. They can then seek work elsewhere and be paid directly in the private sector by people willing to support their prattle and depravity.

Warning to Ross and Brand: TV and radio in the commercial sector are largely financed by big corporate advertising. Can you imagine that businesses would agree to advertise on a channel containing your depravity given the public reaction among their customers? Probably not - so a little more humility might pay you in the long term.
27

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:48:40
#27
'The girl in question has been humilated and betrayed '
Your having a laugh right?
You should actually read her profile and what she says about herself, then tell us she is still humilated
http://voluptua.livejournal.com/profile
http://www.myspace.com/voluptua
28

wayne bijlyeerheid,

29/10/2008 12:48:51
The fact that there were only two complaints when first broadcast is probably more indicative of the size of Ross and Brands' audience than the license payers'money they receive.
The majority of Radio 2 listeners are hardly likely to tune in to a pair of chidish cretins when it was to escape their sort of prattle they stopped listening to Radio 1.
29

Laird o' Glenrothes,

29/10/2008 12:52:06
I've watched "Friday Night with Jonathan Ross" since it started years ago, and it's been one of my favourite programmes. However, the last 2 series have not been so good. Maybe he's losing his star quality, and is trying too hard? I watched his last interview with Russell Brand and switched off. He has the kind of face you wouldn't tire of punching, the arrogant git!

No matter what Andrew Sachs grand-daughter's background is, they have gone too far and the BBC should not have let it get out on air. We should be starting to get some morals back in this country, and not encourage this behaviour on national radio and television.
30

Edward,

29/10/2008 12:52:55
#30 Active Sassenach
Another fool
Check out Voluptua's profiles (there are mny for this publicity shy person)
In case you were not awre, it is more than likely that this was a PR stunt for the promotion of Georgina Baillie aka Voluptua
Wether Andrew Sachs was in it, this is to be dermined, perhps he was not up for it, which is why he didnt keep his appointment in the studio, nor did he answer the phone. But Im inclined to think that this was staged and has got out of hand, ever since the Daily Mail got there hooks in.
31

Lianachan,

Highlands 29/10/2008 12:55:47
#20 I hope whoever let him watch "Pirates Of The Caribbean" feels pleased with themselves.
32

Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 12:57:23
#30 You are being idiotic. The point is not that 17,998 went and listened to the broadcast and then complained - it is that 17,998 people read a deliberately distorted news report about the occurrence, whipped up by the maligned English rose at its heart, and complained without ever hearing what was actually said.

The deep irony in all of this is that they spent almost all of the time in the original show apologising for the first phone message. Something oddly not reflected in the salivating idiocy of responses such as yours.

You haven't heard it either, have you?
33

Calum Crubag,

29/10/2008 13:01:59
Edward - and your point is??? Duh!

NO-one's grandparents should get this treatment. It doesnt' matter what their kids/ grandkids get up to. Again, Edward, i hope you don't suffer because of your offspring. Are you whiter than white?
34

Calum Crubag,

29/10/2008 13:04:17
#35 - I agree. Edward just doesn't get it. What kind of society would we have if grandparents were persecuted because of what their grandkids did?!!! Has she even broken a law? It looks like Brand and Ross did.

If she's the target, why don't they wind her up? Not an innocent 78yo man.
35

Calum Crubag,

29/10/2008 13:05:14
Another point, would Brand or Ross have the guts to say this to the guy's father in a pub one night? Doubt it. Cowards.
36

Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:07:06
Calum, in what way has Sachs "suffered" precisely? He didn't even receive the phone messages.

And you haven't heard the show have you? Yet you think yourself fit to pronounce on what a third party felt as a result of it. Dear me.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

29/10/2008 13:09:01
Right.

Andrew Sachs agreed to go onto Russell Brands show. He must have expected some sort of light ribbing. Especially if he knew Jonathan Ross was going to be on. It's what the pair of them do.

They went too far. Obviously. And crossed a line.

But this has been blown out of all proportion. It was a poor taste joke. Which poor wee Georgina has used to propel herself into the limelight, get her photos all over the papers/websites, while her Grandfather has kept some sort of quiet dignity.
She'll be on Celebrities In The Jungle/Celebrity Dancers/Celebrity Ice Dancers/Celebrity Air Hostesses/Celebrity Conductors/Celebrity Hairdressers/Celebrity Wrestlers/Celebrities Bungee Jumping/Celebrities Cooking/Celebrities Cleaning/Celebrities In A House (delete as appropriate - or don't) by the end of the year.
38

Calum Crubag,

29/10/2008 13:10:40
#42 - have you?

If as you're saying Ross and Brand are victims of libel, then we'll be seeing them claiming their rights, won't we?
39

long live the supermarkets,

every little hurts 29/10/2008 13:11:00
There was a time when Mr Ross was funny but lately he seems to be getting more puerile watching him on Friday with Daniel Craig asking for his watch was cringe worthy as for Mr Brand i think he appeals to a younger set with his dandy swagger.But at last the British bottling corporation DG Mark Thomson has done something,but only after public outcry.PS if they get rid of them will they reduce my licence fee?Think not while there on full pay.
40

Doh,

29/10/2008 13:13:03
#31 Edward

Plenty actresses appear nude, should they be subject to similar villification?


The key point is that Russel Brand is a right banker
he as exploited his national position to humilate a a former girlfriend.

If she slept with him it wasnt an invitation to go public or send obscence phone call to her grandfather.

Russel Brand and Jonathon Ross are a pair of overpaid bankers that should be sacked. End of story.

41

Swordsman,

Dublin 29/10/2008 13:14:31
Global economy in meltdown,U.S. Presidential election a couple of days away,war and strife the world over and what do we find as the main headline?Must be a slow news day,eh?

I couldnt give the proverbial for Brand and Ross,their purile humour and childish pranks.The problem for me is the oxygen of publicity is once again fuelling these nonentities...

Look at the Evening Times take on this ...The same old claptrap as above but,here is the good bit,"If YOU want to complain,here is the number/address"etc is strapped along the bottom of the article...This one,as they say,will run and run...
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29/10/2008 13:16:11
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long live the supermarkets,

every little hurts 29/10/2008 13:17:23
#43 What about Celebrities trying to eat there own ego's.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:17:27
#44 Yes, I heard it. No I didn't say they were victims of libel. Now address the point, oh moral crusader - did you hear the show, do you realise they spent most of it apologising for the bad taste, do you realise that it was actually quite funny, and do you realise that the media coverage has been orchestrated by Max Clifford on behalf of the poor, pure cherub whose dignity has been doubted?
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29/10/2008 13:17:45
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Swordsman,

Dublin 29/10/2008 13:18:37
Magnum....Shhh! I'm angling for the host job on Film2008......
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29/10/2008 13:20:09
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Swordsman,

Dublin 29/10/2008 13:20:26
Headline could read.."Disgraced pair face the Sach..."
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29/10/2008 13:22:27
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Jock MacSprog,

29/10/2008 13:24:23
everyone is missing the point as usual. I could care less what anyone says on the radio, I just dont want my taxes paying them to do it. If you choose to work for a state owned broadcaster you should not have the expectation of making huge salaries or a salary comensurate with other private sector entertainment jobs. Sorry. The BBC for too long has been a gravy train for the Notting Hill set to get massive salaries for life, retire in their late 40's on a juicy final salary pension, all paid for by US ! Why ? The output is mediocre at best, but even if it was fantastic, its not a luxury we can afford in a modern economy thats struggling.
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29/10/2008 13:25:01
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:25:39
#53 You are buying Max Clifford's line completely aren't you. Andrew Sachs is an accomplished comic actor who knew exactly what accepting an invitation onto Brand's show would involve. He is not some defenceless old soul. Did you hear the show? Have you even read a full transcript?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:26:46
#56 That's not "the point", that just YOUR bugbear.
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29/10/2008 13:27:26
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Miss S,

29/10/2008 13:27:33
"I am a very happy girl as I am so dont push your beliefs on me because I'll think you are s***. I love my friends more than anything, break any of their hearts and I will break your face. I am scared of the day my liver gives up on me. That's about all there is to know about me..."

quote from Voluptua's myspace page. sounds like a nice mature person that would be upset by this - really!
Somehow I dont think she can be as upset as she is making out and that there are worse things her Grandfather could have heard - or not heard as the case may be.

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29/10/2008 13:31:28
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 29/10/2008 13:32:41
Duncan in Edinburgh, (No 2 and 42)

You appear to believe that simply because many complainants did not hear the broadcast that this should prevent them from stating their opinions. How condescending can you get? If I read about a drunk driver killing somebody in a road incident does that mean I should just say "hey, I didn't see it, I wasn't there so I've no opinion about it so why should I say anything?"

Get a grip. You're on here with your opinions so at least be rational enough to allow others theirs.

Ross and Brand were wrong. They showed a remarkable lack of judgement in their grossly overpaid "jobs".
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:33:05
"I wasn't attacked in any way. People are writing and talking about it, quite rightly. I am sorry that I am involved in it - I'm just fed up talking about it. I love the BBC. I have worked for them for over 50 years and I continue to work for them. Sometimes things can go wrong."

--Andrew Sachs
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Griffe,

29/10/2008 13:33:58
Sack both of them.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:35:30
#63 Actually that's exactly right - if you read about a drunk driver killing somebody in a road incident then you should offer no opinion unless you were there and saw it happening and have confirmed evidence that the person was drunk. Because news reports are typically one-sided and misleading. As was this one.
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 29/10/2008 13:38:32
Ross suspended on £16,000 a day until things quieten down a bit and they can slip him and Brand back in. It's a tough life.
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long live the supermarkets,

every little hurts 29/10/2008 13:38:40
#62 Remember he comes from Bar-cel-ona.
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Pedantic,

Edinburgh City Centre 29/10/2008 13:44:36
66,

I was going to add that the driver had been proven guilty in court but thought you'd have enough sense to understand the intent of my point without resorting to semantics.

Instead, you've simply reinforced ny belief that you are a know it all whose only opinion that counts is your own.

No reply required.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:48:24
#70 Sachs didn't say "I forgive them for attacking me" he said "I wasn't attacked in any way".

Sh@g'n'tell has become completely acceptable in our gossip-led culture, and it's a bit bloody suspicious that only certain instances of it attract this level of ire.

I believe this story is about people exploiting the situation for their own benefit. People who dislike the BBC and the licence fee are laying in; the granddaughter is trying to make a career out of it; politicians are trying to divert our attention from the economy with it; and newspapers are trying to make money off it.

All you are doing is serving the purposes of all those others. I think that's pretty sad.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 13:50:19
#71 Oh how superior of you. Well done. Away and smile at yourself in the mirror.
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Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 29/10/2008 14:03:26
I bet STV are rubbing their hands with glee! As soon as brandy and wossy are sacked theyll be on the other channel before you know it...and good luck to them I think the whole thing was rather funny and exactly the sort of stuff RB and JR are paid bucket loads of cash for...
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Calum10,

Dundee 29/10/2008 14:04:51
Two Men Behaving Badly - I feel a hit BBC comedy show coming on.

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Raymond Thomas Brooke,

Leven England 29/10/2008 14:10:44
Sack them both no pay no compensation. there is plenty of talent out there who will do as good a job for far less money and then the whole of the BBC's employees will realise that they are far too well paid and eventually we can look forward to a reduction in the licence fee
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Press,

29/10/2008 14:19:24
My telly goes off itself when either of these 2 come on.....and Noel Edmonds.
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Mercian,

UK 29/10/2008 14:22:19
I must say this is a silly thing to do by Ross who should know better than to hang around with a bad boy like Brand. Ross is a good boy, generally, and I judge any suspension harsh based on the information at my finger tips.

Seriously, as mush as I love Britain, I do deplore the people's tendency to stick the boot in to the famously successful at the first opportunity.
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The Hon. Liam Fairtod,

29/10/2008 14:23:34
#79 That's a bit drastic. Could you not just change the channel?
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Alan B,

29/10/2008 14:24:36
Cannot believe anyone is really bothered by this. Given the mess of the country at the moment this is a complete irrevelence. There is tackier tv than this on so that is not really the point. This was not about an innocent member of the public but something hammed up between show bizz stars.

A more relevant issue is the role of BBC and whether licence fee money should fund this type of tv which is the stuff commercial channels would come up with. Particularly in light of the fees paid to the celebrity tv stars for what at the end of the day is cheap tv.
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Eddie,

Edinburgh 29/10/2008 14:28:28
73 Duncan
You've been pretty vocal on here, defending Brand and Ross, and in No 73 you list everyone who's apparently got to be getting something out of it. What about you? What's your point?
You make a big thing out of having listened to the show, and that obviously means that you were among the tiny minority of people in the country who actually tuned in to listen to the sort of nonsense that would be expected of Brand and his 'celebrity guest'. What does that say bout you?

Whether we should have any sympathy for the girl or not, whether she is 'proud to be a s1ut' or not is totally irrelevant. Whether the pair of them spent hours and hours apologising is irrelevant. Whether Max Clifford is now involved is irrelevant.

I HAVE read the transcript of the show, and the phone calls to Andrew Sach's answerphone could truly be described as offensive and obscene. This is illegal.
If two spotty little post room trainees were discovered in an office at the BBC making such phone calls and dribbling on incoherently, they would be sacked immediately. The galling point is that we, the licence payers, are subsidising this behaviour to the tune of several millions.

Jonathon Ross is snide and suggestive with his guests - his humour is childish and often offensive. Russel Brand's arrogance and total lack of any actual talent is very obvious. The pair of them may appeal to a certain type of audience, but the BBC is tasked with providing a wide spectrum of information and entertainment, and I would suggest that the peripheral appeal of this type of boy's toilet humour should be beyond that spectrum. No commercial broadcaster would be able to afford either of them.

If they were sacked, would you miss them?
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 14:37:27
#83 I think your penultimate paragraph quite clearly demonstrates that your reaction to this is based entirely on your pre-existing dislike of the two performers involved.

Incidentally I haven't knowingly defended Brand or Ross. But I have pointed out some uncomfortable facts, and the overwhelming whiff of hypocrisy around this case. And I do think it is pathetic that people are complaining simply because they have read about the story in the Daily Hate, or this august newspaper.
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Eddie,

Edinburgh 29/10/2008 15:11:53
Duncan - thanks for your reply.
Obviously, your total lack of response to any of my points bears out thoughts of you. You can only opt for an attack on me.
My 'reaction to this' is not based on my opinions of these two 'performers'. They are based on facts. That I have little respect for them is my observations of them.
That I have little respect for you is based on your writings.
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Weel Kent Jambo,

29/10/2008 15:14:01
Good - can't stand either of the arrogant smug gits. Strange to see them described a 'comedians'. Can't recall either having ever made me smile, let alone laugh.
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Eddie,

Edinburgh 29/10/2008 15:14:10
Sorry, that was not good - please allow me to re-write:
Duncan - thanks for your reply.
Obviously, your total lack of response to any of my points bears out my thoughts of you. You can only opt for an attack on me.
My 'reaction to this' is not based on my opinions of these two 'performers'. It is based on facts. That I have little respect for them is based on my observations of them.
That I have little respect for you is based on your writings.
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TheSmith,

29/10/2008 15:24:00
I listened to this podcast a week ago and it was hilarious! I know some folk don't like their humour or appearance, but then again I wasn't keen on Manuel the one-trick-pony of Fawlty Towers.
And I'm sure the granddaughter's career choice was the main issue for Mr Sachs - although she seems to be going overboard in her indignation. A publicity ploy for her 'burlesque troop'???
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notime4anovice,

New Cumnock 29/10/2008 15:40:29
I've just listened to the show. It's a bit much for radio2 I would have thought. I didn't realise they did that kind of show. I still think of Terry Wogan etc.
The fantasising about Sach's grand daughter on a swing and how he enjoyed ******* her was sick. Leaving 4 messages with their sick fantasies is way ott.
I like some of Brands shows but the producers were really at fault as they must know what Brand is like.
As far Wossy. I could never stand him but I used to respect him.
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 15:46:53
#85/7 Which of your other points was not rhetorical? I don't think you actually posed any genuine questions. However, you seem to be extremely easily offended. Perhaps you shouldn't engage in arguments on message boards in that case.
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glen urquhart,

glasgow 29/10/2008 15:54:06
the only thing that can ever be said in favour of jonathan ross is that he isn't his brother paul but that is truly damning with faint praise.





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paulmac,

surrey 29/10/2008 16:15:41
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And why are you so easily offended?
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Madbagpypr,

STEORNABHAGH,LEODHAS,NA h-EILEAN SIAR 29/10/2008 16:26:59
Both plooks hae their jaikets on a shoogly nail. They'll be beggin' for change soon enough!!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

29/10/2008 16:47:59
#95 Hehe, quite delicious. You accuse me of getting personal during a personal attack on me.

Let's be quite clear about one thing - I like an argument. That's what I come here for. It's a form of stress release. If you don't like an argument, don't respond to me.
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Matt there,

Somewhere 29/10/2008 16:49:38
What I find even more remarkable is that Duncan knows all 18,000 people who complained, and knows for a fact that only 17,998 of them listened to the programme.

Whilst it is possible that some of them did not listen, Duncan might forget that links to the broadcast were/are available on various websites and on the BBC website, so more people have probably listened to it (or read the full transcript) than did so orignially.

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GEORGE KING,

DUMFRIES SCOTLAND 29/10/2008 16:50:42
these two are untalented
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Matt there,

Somewhere 29/10/2008 16:56:41
And as the young lady concerned did have a relationship with Russell Brand. All the more reason for him keeping his mouth very firmly shut. After all, no gentleman, etc., etc.

Especially not to her granddad for God's sake!
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Steve Evans,

Malta 29/10/2008 17:13:52
At last some good news for a while!
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 29/10/2008 18:01:29
The country has made it's point clear about bankers earnings millions in bonuses. At no time since Victorian mill owners has there been such a disparity in pay between the top earners and average (not low) earners.

The relevance is that everyone knows of Ross's publicised pay award and that will be playing a part in the 'outrage'.

Footballers next?
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Miss H,

29/10/2008 18:10:21
I think this story is so important, I'm glad to see it dominating all the newspapers and broadcast news. It's important to keep a sense of perspective and realise that stuff like this really matters.
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Miss H,

29/10/2008 18:13:44
4 My theory - they are all in it together.

I think Russell Brand really is going to marry the lovely 'Voluptua' and they will live happily ever after in a belfy somewhere and tell their vampire grandchildren what a great laugh they had getting the Prime Minister and leader of the opposition to make portentous statements about them in the House of Commons.

OK that's a bit of a fairytale ending but it would be nice if it was true.
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Bawheid ,,

29/10/2008 21:09:08
never did like russell brand even when he sang for bay city rollers
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Joanna,

29/10/2008 22:50:02
102 Graham H said:
"The relevance is that everyone knows of Ross's publicised pay award and that will be playing a part in the 'outrage'."


Best comment of the whole thread and the most insightful.

It certainly affected my opinion of Jonathan Ross, he seems to have got more big-headed and in his own opinion, 'untouchable' since he started being overpaid.

It would be poetic justice if one day in the future some young oik does exactly the same thing to him about one of his granddaughters.


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Decent,

29/10/2008 23:05:28
Don't really care either way Russell Brand is a tw&t. Georgina Baillie is a sl&g. Jack Frost is dancing on my car roof as we speak.
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uridevliegh,

Roslin 29/10/2008 23:17:14
Brand resigned, what about slow coach Ross? was he not as complicit as Brand? Ross is trash.
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Daily user,

Queensferry 29/10/2008 23:36:10
THESE PATHETIC SPECIMENS OF HUMANITY SHOULD NOW FORFEIT ALL EARNINGS, BENEFITS AND ADVANTAGES GAINED TO DATE. THEY SHOULD BE FORCED TO RE-START THEIR 'CAREERS'!
LET'S SEE HOW ENTERTAINING THEY WOULD BE WHEN STRIPPED OF ALL THE BENEFITS THEY HAVE ACCRUED! THEY ARE ABSOLUTE IDIOTS; AND, SO ARE THE MORONS WHO SUPPORT THEM.
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SkeptikScot,

29/10/2008 23:57:04
Beware of people who write in block capitals!

I think they're both quite funny. They made the phone calls (bad idea) but it was a "Senior BBC Editor" that put it on the air. Bring them both back, anything but bland broadcasting zzzZZZ
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John Cameron,

St Andrews 30/10/2008 00:03:15
The hysterical response of the British, including the loathsome Mr Gordon Bean, Sub Prime Minister, to this trivial matter is the most ridiculous over-reaction seen in this country since our capitulation to the Global Warning Obsession.

 

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