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Published Date: 20 November 2008
AL-QAEDA yesterday delivered a sharp racial insult to Barack Obama, the president-elect of the United States, in a video that warns of catastrophe if he escalates the war in Afghanistan.
In the recording, purportedly narrated by Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's second in command and chief propagandist, he uses the Arabic phrase abeed al-beit, which translates as "house slaves". But in the video message, posted on Islamic militant webs
ites, al-Qaeda supplied English subtitles that translated the phrase as "house negroes".

Zawahiri used American racial history to make a case to his followers that although Mr Obama is black, he will be no more sympathetic than white leaders to what he called "the oppressed" of the world.

He said Mr Obama was the "direct opposite of honourable black Americans" like Malcolm X, the 1960s Muslim African-American leader, who is seen as a symbol of anti-imperialism.

Zawahiri also called Mr Obama – along with the secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice – "house Negroes" – a demeaning racial term for a black American who does the bidding of whites.

The video included footage of speeches by Malcolm X in which he explains the term, saying black slaves who worked in their white masters' house were more servile than those who worked in the fields. Malcolm X used the term to criticise black leaders he accused of not standing up to whites and discrimination.

Mr Obama made no comment on the tape, and was reportedly unconcerned by the racist content. Of more concern will be al-Qaeda's determination to fight head-on his promised increase in US troops in Afghanistan.

"Be aware that the dogs of Afghanistan have found the flesh of your soldiers to be delicious, so send thousands after thousands," says Zawahiri. "If you still want to be stubborn about America's failure in Afghanistan, then remember the fate of (George] Bush and (the Pakistan president] Pervez Musharraf and the fate of the Soviets and the British before them."

The video was played over a still of the al-Qaeda No2. The graphics underlined the contrast Zawahiri aimed to show: on one side of the screen was a photo of Mr Obama in a Jewish skullcap and meeting Jewish leaders; on the other was a photo of Malcolm X in a mosque.

Zawahiri said: "America has put on a new face, but its heart full of hate, mind drowning in greed and spirit – which spreads evil, murder, repression and despotism – continue to be the same as always."

He accused Mr Obama of turning his back on his heritage: "You were born to a Muslim father, but you chose to stand in the ranks of the enemies of the Muslims, and pray the prayer of the Jews, although you claim to be Christian, in order to climb the rungs of leadership in America."

Jeremy Binnie, of Jane's Terrorism and Insurgency Centre, said the message suggests al-Qaeda was worried "Obama could be effective in rebuilding America's image". He continued: "They hated Bush, but Bush was good for them in many ways because he was such a polarising figure.

"But Obama seems to be a more uniting figure. Al-Qaeda very much would like the US to stay with its old policies that put it in opposition to much of the Muslim world."





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  • Last Updated: 19 November 2008 9:43 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Barack Obama
 
1

Scullion,

Canada 20/11/2008 01:58:07
These nutters are only preaching to their own half-mad adherents.
The world is waiting to rally behind Obama-let's hope he has the courage to do what has to be done.
2

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 02:41:30

STILL think he's a Muslim ?
3

First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 03:54:31
#1 Scullion,Canada

Quote:

"The world is waiting to rally behind Obama-let's hope he has the courage to do what has to be done."

Answer:

Scullion, just out of curiosity, what is it that you think Obama is going to have to have the courage to do?

Why are you, a Canadian supposedly, rallying behind the US President-elect?

Obama was ELECTED president for a 4-year term. He will be inaugurated, not CROWNED, just like every US president since George Washington.

Obama will not be having a CORONATION as you breathless Obamaites seem to think.

Do get a grip on yourself.



4

Dekester,

Canada's westcoast 20/11/2008 04:40:15
Scullion you are a twit. What can Obama possibly do in Afghanistan? The sheeple that follow him are gutless wonders, and will have no stomach for war. Americans are tired of war.

North Americans, and likely Western Europeans too are getting hurt hard in the wallet.Which deep down is all they care about.

The West is financially bankrupt. If you, like me live out in Canada, then you must surely see that the U.S military, and Canadian too is stretched far beyond what is prudent.

Obama is easy meat for the radicals, many of whom voted for him Nov 4th. High taxes, and a decaying military are the U.S,s future.It will all end in tears. However the leftist CNN media will cover for him in the short term

Wait till the next round of short selling begins.

All the best.
5

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 20/11/2008 04:49:15
Well said Dekester.

Another guy that said it well was old Abe Lincoln.

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power." - Abraham Lincoln

This will be Obama's true test!
6

Tatties ower the side,

Johannesburg 20/11/2008 04:52:12
Personally, I think Obama is all "wind and p!ss" and will crumble the first time he has to make a tough decision.
7

donald,

glasgow 20/11/2008 05:22:37
I think "Uncle Tom" is the term they were looking for.
8

Covert Action,

20/11/2008 07:54:58
#7 Sadly not,

the 2 expressions are actually house negro- as Malcolm X called his opponents, and field negro - as Muhammed Ali used to call Joe Frazier. Negro itself, in this context, is only a substitute for the other n-word which can't be written here left it offend people who call each other it every day.

Amusing to see the lefties use slave instead of negro for the arabic abid, which means the same in Arabic. Unfortunately that would shine a light on the Arabic slave trade which started long before the western slave trade, and persisted long afterwards. Even to this day, if you include fillipino sex slaves in Saudi Arabia.
9

Unimpressed one,

20/11/2008 08:07:01
Afghanistan and Iraq - we should walk away. They are so deeply mired in religious and tribal superstitions from the 14th century that they should be left to sort it out for themselves. Their populations will eventually realise that as the rest of the world advances leaving them to rot, they will overthrow their despot systems under their own steam.
10

Warden An' All, Reborn,

20/11/2008 08:19:12
Islam-Here you see al-Qaeda showing contempt for a huge number of your brothers and sisters. They are viewing black people as second class citizens. In this light al-Qaeda must believe asian Muslims to be no better either. Will these people sink any lower?
11

Warden An' All, Reborn,

20/11/2008 08:27:18
11-Unimpressed one-You say these people are mired in the 14th century, though it is plain to see you are less than enlightened yourself.Many of these people do not care what modern ideas as you would call them exist in the west. The Islamic world already sees the west as corrupt.
12

Unimpressed one,

20/11/2008 09:41:37
#13, Which is why they should be left to slog it out themselves. Ancient and barbaric religions based on corruption and discrimination have no place in the twenty first century.
13

molu kikes,

basel 20/11/2008 09:42:27
people say obama has clue of being link to islamic theologist ,. but i have less gist about that idea ,. well seeing what the notion of alqaida next to throne to osama said ,. hussein is nothing but anegro refurnished under uncle tom cabin policy ,. than in relivant to connotation based on the hussein which both share as the religious matter come ,.,obama tured his gawking eye on targetting how to thrash all his partly shared matter ,. like to vampire what isalmic goverment says ,. as he said he belong to reverand afro chicago church ,. well thats is another abstract from what he thesision his novel audacity of hope ,.,
14

Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 09:42:41
What does Ayman al-Zawahiri know about current events? He has been stuck in a cave for years. He wont even have a clue what HD stands for and BlueRay will be beyond the capabilities of his understanding. He has probably never seen a 3G mobile phone and will most definitely think that Charles Heston is alive and well.
15

Unimpressed one,

20/11/2008 09:43:52
#8, However one is a proscribed organisation, the other is not. Not yet anyway.
16

molu kikes,

basel 20/11/2008 09:53:10
lamponing him is the first bold step as his policy was aiming at ridding off such foe on earth like osama and his fossil along the ridge mountain ,.,. well i think thats what osama said these coming adminstration sound like tetonic plate and continental drift ,,,,,,.,beacuse at the battle of new adminstration the gunspoint members of osama bears the name hussein in their middle name can osama retrieve back to fight his middle name ,. oh its mystical ,. and magical like liliput track ,. or juts like anthill and soilder ant , or can we say its lepreacheian siens in fight for dublin pool to eradicate the earth plantation of the giant osana GPD,.,,,
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molu kikes,

BASEL 20/11/2008 10:00:53
these new administration under the banner of 44th president bears and believe in these thesiss of none ,. can we say these administration are agnostic ,., perhaps lets refers and ask these question to the great historical legendry lke fellow gigs of medevial historical romantiscim , simon schama,.,and his pluck to the historical thinking ,,,..,.,., well he has the sted flow od the the brain headed number 16th american president ,. whom whenever he wanted to leap off forward or face any impeachment within the house will refer to him as genesis solution ,
18

Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 10:16:47
Ayman al-Zawahiri doesn't need to resort to name calling but Obama does need to end the wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan. Both wars are a disgrace and a disgusting waste of lives and all for what? As long as the Americans, and yes the Britons continue these wars, look for the Islamic extremists to find ways to avenge their losses, if troops are withdrawn, all attacks will soon end as well.
19

Yeah1,

20/11/2008 10:24:28
#8

"I wonder if there is a list of members of al-Qaeda's in the UK, how many would cross reference with duel membership of the BNP. Two such charming organizations."

Are you actually joking? Or do you really think that any al-Qaeda members will also be members of the BNP?

You do realise that the BNP are a racist, anti-muslim, whites-only party don't you?

Why on earth would members of a racist, anti-muslim party also be members of a radical hardline muslim group?

Ridiculous...
20

Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 10:25:26
20, How would you suggest that this situation is resolved? Perhaps the Chinese model of suppression in Tibet is the best course of action in your opinion?
21

Yeah1,

20/11/2008 10:29:17
#20

"As long as the Americans, and yes the Britons continue these wars, look for the Islamic extremists to find ways to avenge their losses, if troops are withdrawn, all attacks will soon end as well."

The aim of al-Quaeda is to get the whole world under its extremist Islamic rule. If troops are withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan that won't stop Islamic extremist attacks.

There were no troops in Iraq and Afghanistan on 9/11 were there.
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Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 10:39:08
#22 Few Against Many,
Full troop withdrawal will resolve everything.

Tibet, a legal province of China and the Tibetan citizens, co-exist peacefully with China and the Chinese with the exeption of cases like when the evil Dalai Lama was stirring the pot when he thought that the Olympic spotlight was going to benefit him, he was severely disappointed when his plan failed and in the meantime his lunatic followers slaughtered many Han Chinese who were totally innocent, thus the crackdown by our government, and rightfully so.

#23 Yeah1,
The Americans have been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for decades, thus the paybacks by the Islamic extremists. If they stay at home, so will the extremists.
23

Yeah1,

20/11/2008 10:43:31
#24

"The Americans have been meddling in Middle Eastern affairs for decades, thus the paybacks by the Islamic extremists. If they stay at home, so will the extremists."

And again I will repeat - the aim of al-Queda is to get the whole WORLD under extreme Islamic rule - not just the Middle East, but the entire WORLD.

If America withdrew from the Middle East that wouldn't stop al-Queda attacks, and if you believe that you are extremely naive.
24

Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 10:44:24
Postmark, seriously if that is not a wind up and you are in fact a Chinese national and not some wee guy sitting in an office in Dunfermline with an odd sense of humour I believe that you have been sucked up by the propaganda of your government. Why is freedom of the press not allowed in your country? Why are your internet laws so constrictive? Ultimately the people of China have no idea what is really happening in there own country never mind the rest of the world.
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20/11/2008 10:44:39
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20/11/2008 10:45:15
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It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 20/11/2008 10:46:58
You have to love these guys flowery language and the way they always manage to find their mummy's clean tea-towel to wear on their head.

No doubt they'll be doing a wee spot of flag burning too to get the old pulse rate up.
28

Skiver,

20/11/2008 11:02:34
#26

Maybe his internet got cut off before he had the chance to read your post. Convenient huh?
29

oder,

Scotland 20/11/2008 11:04:33
Unimpressed one,20/11/2008 09:41:37

"Afghanistan and Iraq - we should walk away. They are so deeply mired in religious and tribal superstitions from the 14th century that they should be left to sort it out for themselves."

and do you believe that if this happens peace will reign in the world? Afghanistan/Iraq may have aggravated the situation between the west and Islam but its not the cause of it! we already have the extremist elements living amongst us in the west, long before Afghanistan/Iraq the Holy warriors of Islam carrying out the Prophet`s command to" Kill" the unbeliever, as for "sorting it out themselves "that would be fine if its Islam they want to sort out! but that is not the case, it will be extremely difficult to persued any Muslim that there is no place for their religion in the 21 st century! extremist, moderate or whatever,take a look at the demographs it shows that Islam is on the increase and its possibly your thinking that might be out of date.
30

oder,

Scotland 20/11/2008 11:07:41
20 Postmark-55,China

since there are no Chinese troops in Afghanistan/Iraq
why is China also having trouble with Islamic extremists?
31

Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 11:16:30
Yeah1,
Few Against Many,
Hugh Roscombe,
Skiver,
You are the ones that sound like you support the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and if that's the case then don't bitch when you get attacked, whether it be on your soil or your troops in the war zones. Play with fire and you'll get burnt, mess with the bull and you'll get the horns.

Hugh Roscombe,
Do yourself a favour and read up on Tibet history and what the Dalai Lama really did to the Tibet citizens before China wrested Tibet away from his evil ways, and look how the coward hightailed it out of there nearly 50 years ago when there was a hint of trouble, leaving 'his' people fend for themselves.
32

Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 11:21:16
Postmark, that's in no way an answer to any of the questions you were asked.

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Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 11:21:25
32 oder,
We have some problems with Islamic extremists because they want to claim our province of Xinjiang as their own and we won't part with it, for it is ours.
They are extremists after all.
34

Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 11:32:27
#34 Few Against Many,
I should change my name to 'one against many" fair enough?

We have lots of freedom in our press, but they are directed to tell the truth and not to twist things around the way the western media is so well known for.
Same rule applies to the internet, don't spread lies and untruths about China but the internet is much more difficult to control.
We know what's happening within our own borders and we have journalists placed all over the globe reporting back to us and our TV coverage keeps us well informed. Come and live here and you'll see what I'm talking about.
35

Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 11:42:53
Postmark, I am interested on where you learned English?

“Play with fire and you'll get burnt, mess with the bull and you'll get the horns.”
aroused my suspicion but it was the fairly innocuous 'fair enough?' (which you would simply not have been taught in the context you used it by any Chinese English teacher) that confirmed to me that you are about as Chinese as Egg and Chips.
36

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20/11/2008 11:43:44
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oder,

Scotland 20/11/2008 11:53:46
35 Postmark-55,China,

exactly the point I was making ! western military involvement in these countries are not the cause of Islamic extremism.
38

oder,

Scotland 20/11/2008 11:59:14
35 Postmark-55,China,
We have some problems with Islamic extremists because they want to claim our province of Xinjiang as their own and we won't part with it, for it is ours.


your partly right! first Xinjiang, then the rest of China! China faces the same threat as the west!
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Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 12:26:22
#37Few Against Many,
I never claimed to be a Chinese citizen, did I? I am in fact Canadian and I've lived in China a little over three years now, I am married to a Chinese woman, we are expecting a baby in January and I'm working on becoming a Chinese citizen and I'm told that I will qualify within a year.
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Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 12:31:41
#39 oder,
Quite to the contrary Oder, western miltary involvements stir the pot greatly, as to where we border the Islamic countries and they want to expand into ours. You can't compare the two, they're worlds apart.
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Warden An' All, Reborn,

20/11/2008 12:33:22
14-Unimpressed one-Christianity is older, so much for age and barbarism. Then again!!!
42

Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 12:35:09
Postmark if that’s true you are IMO a bit of a whack job. How you can possibly have the views you have on Tibet as a non Chinese nationalist is absolutely ridiculous.
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Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 12:43:46
#38 Hugh Roscombe,
The Dalai Lama is not revered amongst most Tibetans but rather the Tibetan monks and some of their followers.. My wife is Han Chinese and she has relatives living in Tibet and they own businesses there and deal with the Tibetan natives every day and never run into any problems. That all changed this last March when the evil Dalai Lama was using the Olympics as a spotlight to plead his case and he stirred up the Tibetan monks and some of their followers to the point that they were killing the Han Chinese indiscriminately. Our government then stepped in and cracked down and my wife's relatives are once co-existing peacefully with the Tibetan natives. That was the doing of an evil man and that's why I call him evil. If he truly was concerned about the Tibetans he would be living amongst them, but he doesn't care about them, he just uses them trying to get sympathy from the west.
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Postmark-55,

China, 20/11/2008 12:55:03
#44 Few Against Many,
Believe me to be a whack job, it doesn't really matter to me. I have studied Tibet history, from many sources, plus having my wife's relatives living and owning businesses in Tibet, and the Tibetan natives too agree that they are far better off without the Dalai Lama and their life styles have vastly improved under Chinese rule. Much better health care, their life expectancy has nearly doubled, education is now in place for all and income has greatly increased and many have internet access now, a window to the world if you will. The Dalai Lama kept them all in poverty, prevented education and had them living like animals. Who's the evil one? I'll let you be the judge.
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Few Against Many,

20/11/2008 13:04:52
Whack Job, you have painted yourself into a corner with the absolute pathetic tosh and drivel that you have been spouting on this page all day. You have no idea what you are talking about and I believe the only reason you have commented at all is to get a rise out of fellow contributors. I am embarrassed with myself that I even took the time out of my day to humour you.

Goodbye.
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oder,

Scotland 20/11/2008 14:30:13
42 Postmark-55,China,

the twin towers happened before Iraq/Afghanistan and western military involvement the result of it, the justification for it in your opinion is based on what?
china was one of the first countries to approve the US use of force against the Islamic extremists


what is the cause for the Chinese to have problems with Islamic extremists you have acknowledged you have some problems, care to explain what the are! and how those problems differ from the rest of the world?
47

Bele's bane,

Scotland 20/11/2008 15:35:47
Well we must not forget that during the Preidential campaign Al-Qeada had endorsed McCain for the presidency so more sour grapes and dissapointment than racism perhaps!
48

Number 6,

Germany 20/11/2008 15:47:33
Al Quida was formed in response to US troops based in Saudic Arabia, the home of Bin laden. They are actually a very small orginastion and have been on the brink of extinction for quite some time.

The invasion of Iraq was a god send, especially after Saddam had refused to let them operate in his country.

So yes, this is all the fault of US led aggression
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 15:47:42

"According to presidential historian Davis Logsdon of the University of Minnesota , some Americans might find it "alienating" to have a President who speaks English as if it were his first language."Every time Obama opens his mouth, his subjects and verbs are in agreement," says Mr. Logsdon.? "If he keeps it up, he is running the risk of sounding like an elitist."
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Observer. 1,

Glasgow 20/11/2008 16:07:50
50 is right. There was no Alquida presence in Iraq prior to the invasion. Iraq was a wholly secular country under Saddam. Alquida are reacting to what they see as Western imperialist attacks on Muslim countries, and what they perceive as the outrage of US troops in Saudi, an affront to Sunni muslims. The idea that Alquida want to establish a worldwide caliphate by violent means is ludicrous, but it suited the neo con agenda to pretend that they did.
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20/11/2008 16:11:38
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First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 17:23:39
#11 Unimpressed one

Quote: "Afghanistan and Iraq-we should just walk away."

Answer:

US Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, and James Monroe all would agree with you.
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First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 17:31:38
President George Washington in his "Farewell Address":

"Europe [or foreign nations] has a set of primary interests, which have to us none, or very remote relation. Hence, she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the cause of which is essentially foreign to our concerns.

"Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collusions of her friendships or enmities."

"Why forego the advantages of so peculiar a situation? Why quit our own to stand upon foreign ground? Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe [foreign], entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, rivalship, interest, humor, or caprice?"
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First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 17:39:54
President Thomas Jefferson in his "First Inaugural Address":

"I deem [one of] the essential principles of our government, and consequently [one] which ought to shape its administration,...peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none."

President John Quincy Adams in 1821 Speech:

"America has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when the conflict has been for principles to which she clings...She goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own."

(Not any longer is the USA "champion and vindicator only of her own" freedom and independence.)
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First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 17:58:05
President James Monroe in his "Monroe Doctrine":

"In the wars of European [foreign] powers in matters relating to themselves we have never taken any part, nor does it comport with our policy so to do...Our policy in regard to Europe [foreign nations]...is, not to interfere in the internal concerns of any of its powers..."

Barack Obama as US president has the opportunity to be a real American hero if he would return to the policies of the Founding Fathers who were also presidents.

Just imagine if the US rid ourselves of entangling alliances, brought home all our troops, cut off ALL foreign aid, balanced the US budget and minded its own business from here on out.

The US would no longer be the "milk cow" of the world, but we never should have been in the first place.

"We the people" of the United States of America would at last have our country back out of the hands of foreign influences.

Oh, happy thought!
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 18:52:09

#58 - Virginian

I think that many on this board would share your
vision for an independent USA; I certainly would like to return to simpler, more manageable times. Few of us had any hand or vote in the creation of the free-market monster that developed beyond our ability to tame it.

However, undoing our current international system would entail disolving our American empire, would it not ?

I don't think that we'll have to worry too much about this, as the empire is undoing itself, imploding under the weight of corporate greed, military overextension,
"foreign aid" bribes and pay-offs and unsustainable personal domestic excess.

Time to pay the piper. . . .

If anyone is up to addressing this monumental reconstruction of our entire society and it's place in the world, I believe that man is Barack Obama.

If not. . . . ?


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First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 20:08:45
#59 D. Feste

"...undoing our current international system would entail disolving (sic) our American empire, would it not?"

Answer:

Absolutely not! All we have to do to dissolve our pseudo-empire is to insist that our elected public servants adhere to the US Constitution.

"We the people" have become so ignorant of what our Constitution actually says that we just let the politicians convince us that they know best for us.

Without our keeping the "eternal vigilance" that all free people must maintain, we are slowly sinking to the level of being controlled by the rest of the world.

It is the duty of American citizens to inform themselves of their real liberties rather than listening to the demagogues who would control us.


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First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 21:12:46
#59 D. Feste

Your Quote:

"If anyone is up to addressing this monumental reconstruction of our entire society and its place in the world, I believe that man is Barack Obama."

Answer:

Based on what?

How could Obama possibly effect a "reconstruction of our entire society" in four or eight years in office?

The US president is merely the executive officer of the Congress and can do nothing without its approval.

Unfortunately for Obama, most of the world mistakenly believes that the US president has real power.

However, he is the one who will be attacked by those who feel betrayed when he does not keep campaign promises of the Democrats.

Sadly enough, this Muslim nut has already said that since Obama was a Muslim that he can now be attacked for having fallen away from Islam.

Obama hasn't been inaugurated and the threats have
begun.

Why would you think that he will have time to reconstruct our entire society?
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American,

20/11/2008 21:12:54
OH MY!! al qaeda has the b#lls to say something against his "highness" nobama the great!!! Whose side is the terrorist sympathizers going to take now?
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A Southern Belle,

USA 20/11/2008 21:28:06
Dear Folks:

It seems as though Dr. Zawahiri got exactly what he wanted. Negative comments to follow his racial slurs. I think he should shut his mouth. Mr. Virginian, I do respect the founding fathers. My distant relative, Lyman Hall actually signed the Declaration of Independence. However, Sir, in all due respect. In 1776 we just finished a war with England, of course your speeches would talk about independence. As far as Mr. Kites,--"Vampires" I believe no American President or President elect has ever dropped to his knees in an Embassey after first blowing it up and shooting people and then licking the blood off the floor. Isn't that what one of the terrorist did in the African bombings. And, the rest of you, your tanget rederings are exactly what Dr. Zawahiri was trying to stir up. Good Lord, people the world is at war, face it. I am in my late forties, my mother is eighty. She tells me of World War II and how the United States rallied around their troops. Gas stamps, food rations, Hollywood produced movies to support the troops, the USO, each household made sacrifices. She said Europe sacrificed as well. We are too spoiled and to self absord to give up anything. We had rather blame money problems on the government. I have an idea. How about the next time we vote on "Pork Barrel" spending every Republican and Democratic Congress person just say up front. Sorry it ain't going to happen. Just think of the money we would save. I had to go bankrupt this year. I do not hate my government. Life will go on. The big picture is we as a nation want to put our tails between our legs and run like scared rabbits. I say we fight. We fight for what is decent and honest. We fight to irradicate terrorism. One day maybe it will be just a history lesson our children read about and it no longer exists. Just like racial inequalities--change can be made. Yes, I voted Republican, but you can be sure I will support the next President of the United Stat
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 21:32:43

#62-

I'm sure that there was a point to your statement. . . . but what was it ?

63

A Southern Belle,

USA 20/11/2008 21:33:01
It seems as though the last part of my blog was cut or did not print. To further the statement, I will support the next President of the United States. As a southern, I will not have some trash carpet bagger like Dr. Zawahiri insulting our President Elect. I am a southern white girl and only trash make racial slurs.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 21:49:13

#63-Southern Belle

Spoken from the heart. . . thank you.

We will all need to work together during these increasingly difficult times and discover who has been "gaming" our system. . .they cannot be allowed to
enrich themselves at our expense.

The change from a materialistic, consumer-driven "stuff" society to a human-needs based economy will be a difficult one, but it must be done for the good of all. I had hoped that it would NOT take place all at once, however.

But, here we are !
65

ekimwar,

Arizona 20/11/2008 22:15:36
I am surprised that the media have cherry-picked this story. Isn't P.E.Obama's need to provide a copy of his birth certificate to the Supreme Court on December 1;
way, way more important?
66

First Virginian,

USA 20/11/2008 22:48:51
#66 D. Feste
Your quote:

"The change from a materialistic, consumer-driven 'stuff' society to a human-needs based economy will be a difficult one, but it must be done for the good of all."

My answer:

D. Feste, "a human-needs based economy" IS "a materialistic, consumer-driven 'stuff' society."

Obama's idea of "spreading the wealth" means taking taxpayers' money (stuff) and transferring the money to the non-taxpayers to meet their materialistic, consumer-driven desires.

Is that what you call "for the good of all?" It is only for the good of the non-taxpayers and for the politicians who retain their votes.

"Spreading the wealth" is unconstitutional because it is legalized robbery by the government formed to serve the people.

Government's first duty is to protect life and property.

Please enlighten us with answers to questions at post #61 regarding on what you base your assertion that Obama is the man to "reconstruct our entire society."

We appear to differ as to what is a positive reconstruction of our society.
67

Finnking,

Lempäälä 20/11/2008 23:09:00
Southern Belle

An interesting piece. Some flaws revealed and observations if I may.......

"In 1776 we just finished a war with England": It was "Britain" at that time, not just "England".

"And, the rest of you, your tanget rederings are exactly what Dr. Zawahiri was trying to stir up."

...well, let's go along with the unsourced translation for the time being: Calling Obama a "house Negro" is pretty tame compared to what some in the US were calling him.

"Good Lord, people the world is at war, face it."

....yes, it is. A war of power against powerless. There is war raging, with the US/'uk' states at its epicentre. Theirs is a war of greed and 'ours' is against their oppression. As Chomsky says, "If you want to stop terrorism, the very first thing you should do is stop participating in it." I have no war with "Islam" or Arabs or Persians. They are fighting not for global domination but simply to protect their land and way of life from repeated foreign oppressors. Much in the same manner as your distant relative Lyman Hall. Fighting foreign oppression.

"She tells me of World War II and how the United States rallied around their troops. Gas stamps, food rations, Hollywood produced movies to support the troops, the USO, each household made sacrifices."

...Did she also tell you about IBM working with the Nazis? Did she educate you on the Bush/Brown Brothers financing of the german steel industry? Dis she show you the Time Man of Year:Hitler? Regale you with information on ITT making German war planes in Venezuela? IE did she tell you that while the PEOPLE were making sacrifices, the US elites were making money?

"She said Europe sacrificed as well."

...it's the "as well" bit that sticks in Europeans' craws. You simply cannot compare the "sacrifice" made by the people of the US in WWII to the total decimation of Europe and mass murder of 40million Europeans in the fight against Fascism; a fight that the US elites profited from; a fight against
68

Finnking,

Lempäälä 20/11/2008 23:09:39
Southern Belle

"She said Europe sacrificed as well."

...it's the "as well" bit that sticks in Europeans' craws. You simply cannot compare the "sacrifice" made by the people of the US in WWII to the total decimation of Europe and mass murder of 40million Europeans in the fight against Fascism; a fight that the US elites profited from; a fight against teh fascists that many in the US elites supported. Did she tell you how many Russians died ridding Europe of that revolting mentality, a way of thinking that allows for principles of moral superiority between races and the idea that warfare is noble?

"I say we fight. We fight for what is decent and honest."

..Yes, exactly that sort of thinking, in fact. It's your desire to kill that is the problem. It's your notion of "decent and honest" that is symptomatic of what is diseased in the US at the moment.Your deluded morality is founded on the pack of lies that is nationalism and patriotism; indoctrinated into you from birth. If you really think that the USA government and military are "decent and honest", you are a prime example of the superior propaganda on the US elites. Did your Gran tell you about the US giving homes to the Nazi propaganda teams? Oh, they did a great job fo rthe US elites!

"We fight to irradicate terrorism."

...Really? So why support so many of the world's terrorists? Why supply the Turks AND the PKK? Why terrorise 25 different countries since WWII by invasion? Why provide terrorism schools in the US and it's client states? Why supply most of the weapons in the world? Why give sanctuary to terrorists? Why terrorise if you want to irradiate terrorism?

"One day maybe it will be just a history lesson our children read about and it no longer exists."

...Did you Gran tell you about how Hitler used to come out with the same crud? It's true. Will those children sit in rooms with the US flag on show?

"Just like racial inequalities--change can be made."

...The peoples of the Arab an
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Finnking,

Lempäälä 20/11/2008 23:10:18
Southern Belle

"Just like racial inequalities--change can be made."

...The peoples of the Arab and Persian (plus the Americas and many Europeans who have to see US military bases in their country) are saying exactly the same thing, except they are against US state oppression, terror, horror, injustice and hypocrisy.
70

Taz,

The Land of the Free. 20/11/2008 23:15:35
I guess we should have just walked away from China when the Japanese were doing a number on them.
71

2dogs in D.C.,

20/11/2008 23:50:35
Geeze,Postit,You're really taking it on the chin-try not to lead with your mug ; ). Hello, D.Feste.,It's good to be back.
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D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 23:51:05

#60- Virginian ("First" or otherwise )

Yes, we DO appear to differ on many points, yet our society increasingly sheds jobs, revenues, personal lifetime savings, as well as clear direction, despite
our mutual differences in philosophy.

I cannot "enlighten" you, nor can anyone else. This you must do for yourself.

My gut-feeling about Obama is that he has a keen mind and is up to the task of dealing with the restructuring that is occurring at this very moment in finance, manufacturing, energy use, environmental issues, health care, etc., all of which have evolved
over many years. I certainly do NOT expect a "benevolent despot" as president, but rather, an effective manager of our best interests. You can define "best" as you wish.

As for "wealth redistribution," that has been our federal tax philosophy since the Progressive Tax Act of 1913, where lesser incomes pay a lesser tax percentage, while higher brackets pay a higher percentage.
This is the way it has been within our lifetimes.
Socialist ? Of course ! This country has MANY so-called "socialist" programs, as you know. We can both come up with exhaustive lists of examples of shared
public projects and programs, schools, Social Security, etc. These are clearly socialist in nature, but few Americans will allow themselves to identify them as such. If not "socialist" then what are they ?

If you have what you need to live out your retirement in relative ease. . .more power to you. For those still in the thick of it, adjustments need to be made, as we appear to be going down the collective toilet.

I understand that you have a very low regard for Obama, from reading your posts over several months.
We obviously see different things in this man, much as many saw Sarah Palin as representing the future of our country or as a complete idiot.

Time will tell and there is no "good book" to chart the current course and no other person that I have seen that is up to the task as Barack Oba
73

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 23:52:05

Time will tell and there is no "good book" to chart the current course and no other person that I have seen that is up to the task as Barack Obama.

Like him or not, he will be our president and I wish him well.

74

D. Feste - Illyria, OH,

20/11/2008 23:52:52

#73 -

Hey, Dogs ! How's everything ?
75

2dogs in D.C.,

20/11/2008 23:54:36
Oh,yeah,comment on the story-I related this to my (Black) helper/friend this afternoon, and he thought about it for a while,smiled,and said "Well, when you think about it, it's correct. He's black,and in the white house. Only difference is he don't have to say Yas'Massa".
76

2dogs in D.C.,

20/11/2008 23:57:20
#76-D.Fests-Fair to middlin'.Could not log in from home computer for a while due to cyber mite infestations ( or gremlins,not quite sure.)
77

Postmark-55,

China, 21/11/2008 00:12:39
#73 2dogs in D.C.,
Nah, I'm used to this kinda thing, as you well know it happens to me all the time, for some reason the west is scared of Communism so unlike yourself, many get nasty with me as if I'm a personal threat to them.
I love China, will defend it 'til I die and if they don't like it, oh well !
I was wondering what had happened to you, I thought that maybe you were moving to the White House as well, catnip and all.:)))))) GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK DOUBLE DOG.
78

2dogs in D.C.,

21/11/2008 00:16:27
Thanks,Postit-good to be back.As an addition to post #78-My son will be marrying his Lady this coming Tuesday-How 'bout that?
79

Postmark-55,

China, 21/11/2008 00:17:21
#47 Few Against Many,
Well if my posts give you a 'rise', then I believe that your personal life is lacking in a certain department, what do you figure?:(((((((
80

A Southern Belle,

USA 21/11/2008 00:30:18
Dear Mr. Finnking,
Sir, the woman you are referring to is my mother not my grandmother. My father was almost 40 years old when I was born. How dare you even mention my family and Hitler. My father was in WWII. He flew in a Mitchell B-25 Bomber in the South Pacific. He received the Silver Star for his service. He flew 52 missions. He was wounded his last mission and until the day he died he still had two bullets and scars from where skin was grafted. My grandfather was in WWI, my brother in Vietnam, my uncle in Korea. And, various other family members who have served our country. Do you think I am an air head. I can give you a full assessment of Hitler's movements and the spread of his movement during WWII and prior to the conflict. Perhaps some folks did give aid to Nazis. None of them were my kin folk. My kin folk would have turned them over to the authorities. As for being a product of propaganda--I AM PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!!!!We are not perfect in our country, but many of us at least understand that Freedom is not cheap. And by the way you truly have insulted me, just thought I would let you know. I actually dated a Jewish guy once,in college. Great guy. I do not think you understood what I was trying to say. Get a clue man.
81

First Virginian,

USA 21/11/2008 00:58:43
#74 D. Feste

Your Quote:

"My gut-feeling about Obama is that he has a keen mind 'and is up to the task of ...restructuring [our society]..."


Answer:

So, your "gut-feeling" is the best reason you can give for reams of pompous drivel as to why Obama is the best man for the job.

With your kind of intelligence it is no wonder you think that "adjustments [spreading the wealth] need to be made" so that you will be enabled to retire comfortably.

The reason that "we appear to be going down the collective toilet" is because of your favorite socialistic give-away programs such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

Thank you for finally answering my questions amidst all the vebiage, but you certainly haven't eased my mind about why you voted for Obama.

Selfish self-interest to get something for nothing is the origin of your "gut-feeling" about Obama being the best man for the job.

Just wait until there are NO jobs after Obama and the Democrats are finished "reconstructing our society."

You will be the first to go when employers jettison workers to save themselves...as is only right.

82

First Virginian,

USA 21/11/2008 01:32:46
#63 A Southern Belle,USA

"In 1776 we just finished a war with England..."

You must be talking about finishing the French and Indian War since the American Revolutionary War started in 1776.

Quotes from Washington's "Farewell Address" in 1796, John Quincy Adam's Speech of 1821 and James Monroe's "Monroe Doctrine" in 1823 were all regarding the importance of the US not getting involved in the politics and wars of foreign nations...not independence.

Please learn how to write using paragraphs.

Finally, what are "tanget rederings" you mentioned?
83

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 21/11/2008 01:33:34
#32 Oder

"since there are no Chinese troops in Afghanistan/Iraq
why is China also having trouble with Islamic extremists?"

It's because they know China is providing the biggest crutch to the United States by bailing them out financially.
84

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 21/11/2008 01:38:08
#23 Yeah 1

"There were no troops in Iraq and Afghanistan on 9/11 were there".

9/11 was nothing to do with either Iraq or Afghanistan. It was and is continuing to be because of the support the US has and is giving to Israel in its disgusting treatment of their Moslem brothers in Palestine.

85

First Virginian,

USA 21/11/2008 01:53:06
#'s 85 & 86 Let's have the truth, Queensland

You obviously agree with Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Monroe that the US is wise to remain neutral in all cases involving foreign nations' politics and wars.

The world should begin to view the United States as a neutral country like Switzerland.

The Swiss learned their lesson centuries ago and have been happy ever since.
86

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 21/11/2008 02:37:36
#87 First Virginian

"You obviously agree with Presidents Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Monroe that the US is wise to remain neutral in all cases involving foreign nations' politics and wars"

....What I do agree with is even handedness, especially in relation to the treatment of Palestinians.

Even you should accept the fact that visits by Condoleeza Rice to Israel with the dubious reason of arranging a settlement between the two factions, closely followed by airlifts of arms from the US landing on the same airstrip, is hypocritical, to say the least.

....and there still are those who don't know why attacks are made against the US. Amazing.
87

First Virginian,

USA 21/11/2008 03:05:29
#88 Let's have the truth,Queensland

"...What I do agree with is even handedness,..."

Answer:

"Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence, I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens, the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake; since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican Government.-But that jealousy, to be useful, must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it."

(from George Washington's "Farewell Address)

Washington had a great deal more to say about this subject, but it is obvious that hyphenated-Americans are interested in tearing the US apart to serve their supposedly former countries.

This is the reason the US must discontinue ALL foreign aid to ALL countries as well as ALL entangling alliances such as Nato and the UN.

The rest of the world is so accustomed to using the US as their milk-cow that no halfway measures would ever wean foreign nations away from the US dole.

Our only hope is if "we the people" stand up to our elected "public servants" and make them adhere to the US Constitution, the supreme law of the land.

88

Postmark-55,

China, 21/11/2008 03:08:13
#80 2dogs in D.C.,
Congrats to your son double dog, will that be granpa double dog soon?:))))))))))
I have good news from my son as well, his tour to Afghanistan has been put off 'til 2010, hopefully by then Obama will have called an end to that war and Canada will pull its troops as well.
89

First Virginian,

USA 21/11/2008 03:25:38
#88 Let's have the truth,Queensland

President George Washington in his "Farewell Address" explained further:

"...a passionate attachment of one Nation for another produces a variety of evils.-Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter, without adequate inducement or justification."

"...by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld; and it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens, (who devote themselves to the favorite Nation) facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity:-gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.-"

It seems that politicians have not changed since 1796 when Washington wrote this advice.

Too bad none of our politicians bothered to read and to heed Washington's advice. They might have been statesmen rather than partisan political hacks.
90

First Virginian,

USA 21/11/2008 03:52:07
#88 Let's have the truth,Queensland

One final quote from Washington's "Farewell Address":

"Observe good faith and justice towards all Nations. Cultivate peace and harmony with all.--Religion and Morality enjoin this conduct; and can it be, that good policy does not equally enjoin it?"

"--It will be worthy of a free, enlightened, and, at no distant period, a great nation, to give to mankind the magnanimous and too novel example of a People always guided by an exalted justice and benevolence."

"--Who can doubt that in the course of time and things, the fruits of such a plan would richly repay any temporary advantages, which might be lost by a steady adherence to it?"

"Can it be that Providence has not connected the permanent felicity [happiness] of a Nation with its virtue? The experiment, at least, is recommended by every sentiment which ennobles human nature.--Alas! is it rendered impossible by its vices?"

Washington's "Farewell Address" should be read at the opening of Congress every year.

Our elected governmental officials should be ashamed of what they have done to this once great nation.
91

Finnking,

Lempäälä 21/11/2008 04:19:59
82 Southern Belle

What a Tedious response! some item about you mum and hitler, your family's "killing other people in other lands" record, drivel about your knowledge of WWII, followed by details of your sex life. Or, "red herrings" as I like to call them.

92

A Southern Belle,

USA 21/11/2008 04:48:55
Mr. Finnking,

Sir, you are no gentleman. "Red Herring" are you referring to Scooby Doo or trying to change the subject? I am simply, an American. Your writings facinate me, perhaps I am truly a bored housewife and need my 15 minutes of fame. Anyway, I need to go nighty nite, I am sleepy. Good nite sir, I hope you gain some social knowledge. Happy Thanksgiving See I am not a wicked old witch, I am polite.
93

oder,

Scotland 21/11/2008 08:19:19
86 Let's have the truth,Queensland

as usual your as far apart as A and Z in the alphabet my original post was not answered by the poster it was addressed too! and while were at it why have you decided to address me when you said some time ago after you and I disagreed over whether Australian racism was better or worse than South African! you wouldn't address me again. like your terrorist buddies
you cant honour what you say!
94

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 21/11/2008 08:39:12
#95

Lay off the booze and maybe you can put a coherent post together.
95

Finnking,

Lempäälä 21/11/2008 09:34:13
Southern Belle

"Social KNowledge"--well, to refer to the US war agaisnt the British foreign oppressors of the time as "English" on a Scottish news web site and to quate teh suffering of US people during WII with those is Europe, takes some beating.

"witch"...never said you were. Deluded, yes. Witch, no.

Thanksgiving: well, enjoy it. For me it is sad that such wonderful pagan festivals to celebrate and denote the celestial alignments within the cycle of the year were hijacked by the religious fundamentalists hundreds of years ago. I celebrated Samhain at the end of last month.The start of the dark time and the time to get the harvest in.I look forward to the winter solstice as I can see clearly the star sirius rising in the east, pointed to by the Three Kings of Orion's belt,at the point on the horizon where the Sun will stop travelling southward and where it will remain, dead, for three days before commencing, rising, its eastward return course again. Just look for virgo, the Virgin, constellation around the 23rd December.Have fun.
96

Carolyn 1,

21/11/2008 14:33:46
@70, 93, 97
That's a handful of nasty pills you swallowed.
For what reason?

Why is it that so many Americans are proud to be American, and thankful to live in America and if they have Scot ancestry are equally proud to be from Scotland...
but it is rare to hear a Scot raving about his heritage, or English proud to be English or Brits proud to be Brits.

As for your "hijacking"
For you to refer to the three stars as Three Kings, is Christian, not pagan.
Get it right. If you're going to support pagan myth, and knock christian myth, at least you can be accurate and call it the three pearls if you can't remember the names,Zeta, Epsilon and Delta Orionis

97

ekimwar,

arizona 21/11/2008 21:39:14
What happens when on December 1 Obama is declared by the Supreme Court to be an alien? Why is there a media blackout about Obama's apparently phony birth certificate?
98

Lynne,

21/11/2008 23:08:12
good evening Carolyn 1..you too have noticed the change for the worse in Finnking, and his other IDs. It's more than nasty pills.
First an atheist, now a Wicken.
99

Tobytoo,

SouthingtonU.S.A. 22/11/2008 00:25:21
#97 Finnking
What on earth are you talking about.I cannot make any sense of your reply to Southern Belle's comments.
Mentioning that she had a boyfriend is giving details of her sex life? Get real,what are you a ten year old or something.
100

Lynne,

22/11/2008 01:29:10
#101

Tobytoo..you got that right
101

Carolyn 1,

22/11/2008 03:29:21
Hi Lynne,



I don't care if a person does or does not have religion, or believe in God. But to acerbically and repeatedly slam people for being Christian or Jewish because it's a 'myth or fairytale': and then he pines with own wonderful myth and fairytale, that includes the three kings on the horizon.

I've never understood where that deep hatred comes from- the need to mow down another human being for a difference of opinion (and sometimes for reasons as minor as being a woman, or being American..)

Lately I've been a little more philosophical in trying to understand it




102

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 22/11/2008 08:33:00
#103 Carolyn 1

"Lately I've been a little more philosophical in trying to understand it"

When one has been brainwashed, "Philosophy" will fall short in your efforts to understand.

103

P·K ,

22/11/2008 12:41:38
Lynne, Carolyn

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Taleban-pressing-for-end-to.4694165.jp
@21
104

Carolyn 1,

22/11/2008 14:10:43
@104
Everything falls short when trying to understand hatred, and its roots; that is to say, hatred is not to be understood because it fails rational thinking
105

Let's have the truth,

Queensland 24/11/2008 23:53:25
"Al-Qaeda in racist attack on Obama"

Racist attacks on Obama are not limited to Al-Qaeda, just check out some of the posts here.
106

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 25/11/2008 10:11:52
To all those who make inane comments about people in China having their computer access curtailed.For goodness sake bring your infantile brains up to date.We have Broadband here and it is available to anyone who wants it,ANYONE! Go into any hotel in the country which has a business centre,pay your money and correspond with whomsover you wish to on the internet. There are a myriad of Internet Cafes, that ANYONE can use.They are privately run, not government run.
As for us trotting out the government policy etc.Grow up you pack of juvenile, ill informed raw prawns!We travel the countryside without restrictions.Have even walked in 'Military Restricted Areas' with a camera clicking away.Check BangChuiDao on the internet, it is where Mao used to go to relax.It is guarded usually by PLA Military Police and Armed Police,when important visitors are there,but ring the place up book a time, pay your shekels and you can play golf there,even a Guilao like me!!!Chinese have far more freedom than most of you. Wake up you cretins the world has moved on,but you obviously haven't!
107

oder,

Scotland 25/11/2008 13:44:19
96 Let's have the truth,Queensland

are you just back from walkabout? to much sun? might explain your memory loss! tee total mate!

 

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