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Published Date: 16 July 2009

DESPITE the grim toll of British soldiers' bodies coming home in coffins, many Afghans believe British troops have been helping the Taleban.

"Of course we think they are supporting the Taleban," said shopkeeper Saad Alikhi in Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province. "When the international troops first came here, they cleaned up all the Taleban, all over Afghanistan, within a month. Now I find there's a mine exploding in front of my shop."

Security has plummeted across Helmand since UK troops arrived three years ago, and ordinary people have watched the Taleban grow stronger.

Many are struggling to understand why Britain, with all the might of Nato and the United States behind it, has failed to beat the ragtag Taleban militia.

"Since the British troops came here, you cannot even go out of the buildings because there are mines everywhere," said Colonel Abdul Ghafour, a former head of Helmand's police. "Everywhere there are Taleban."

Wild conspiracy theories are rife in Lashkar Gah's bazaars, but the prevalence of the myth that Britain has been helping the insurgents is evidence of how far UK troops still have to go to convince local people they are there to help.

I travelled to Lashkar Gah, un-embedded, to find out what ordinary people thought about the spiralling violence. It was the first time a British journalist had visited Helmand without a military escort for almost a year. And the number of seemingly sane people who said they thought Britain was supporting the Taleban was astonishing.

Haji Maulavi Mokhtar, the head of Lashkar Gah's council of religious scholars, admitted the myth was firmly embedded in the "popular consciousness". He said: "Even among government officials, it has made them hopeless, they told me secretly."

For three years, British troops have been over-stretched and under-resourced, battling to contain the Taleban in their spiritual and financial heartland.

Most of Britain's fighting soldiers were stuck patrolling the ground outside their bases. When they did clear areas of the Taleban, they had to fight elsewhere and couldn't stay.

Shopkeeper Abdul Karim told me: "In the past seven years, no-one has been punished for any crime. And the aid money which is coming into the country disappears. The taxes which the government collects just go into private pockets, not to the poor people you see here.

"If they do not punish corruption in the government bureaucracy and bring justice and punish criminals, I swear that in the next 50 years, they cannot bring security. Even in a hundred years."

He had fond memories of Taleban rule. "The Taleban are the enemies of the international community, but they were good for the welfare of ordinary Afghans, for poor people like us," he said. "In Taleban times, there was punishment for criminals. They didn't mind executing people, or cutting off their hands, so from one lesson, a hundred others would learn."

Police had closed the road in front of his shop because they had discovered two homemade bombs in yellow plastic jerry cans in a culvert nearby. They were wired to a mobile phone.

"We do not understand," he said. "When the Americans were based here, when Sher Mohammed was the governor, the Taleban were not in Helmand.

Since that time, when the Americans withdrew, and new governors came, and the PRT ]provincial reconstruction team] was handed over to the British, the fighting got much worse."

Sher Mohammed Akhundzada, who was governor of Helmand when the British troops first deployed in 2006, was removed at the insistence of Whitehall after he was linked to human rights abuses and implicated in the heroin trade

One former diplomat said the people in Helmand couldn't believe the British were "making it worse by accident". He said: "People there think the British are powerful, clever and cunning. They remember the legends of Great Gamesmen from the 19th century, and they assume if the Taleban are getting stronger, it must be part of the plan."

However, the overwhelming impression is that people want justice and peace, and they don't mind who brings it.


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  • Last Updated: 15 July 2009 11:40 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Afghanistan
 
1

2dogs in D.C.,

16/07/2009 00:10:48
Woof,What? Psy ops have a lot to do.Brits support the folks killin' them w/ambush and ieds,sure.
2

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

16/07/2009 00:44:49
#1 2dogs in D.C.

The men who are being shot at and blown up, don't write the script.

Their job is to get shot at and blown up, defending 'our' interests.

It is certainly in the interests of the politicians and the military industrial complex, to have perpetual war...and if that is their game.

Defeating the Taliban and getting a high approval rating from the locals is not likely to figure prominently on the old 'to do' list.

3

China is number 1,

China, 16/07/2009 01:29:55
The goatherders aka Taleban have much bigger hearts than the allied forces and are defending their home turf and will overcome all, plus they have the locals on their side.
It's high time for Blair, Bush, Howard, Brown and Obama to be hauled in front of the International Criminal Courts and start answering for their war crimes.

Scotsman55
4

Charlie Ferrier,

Hamilton 16/07/2009 03:38:40
This is not unexpected.

When the old governor was removed all the drug cartels interests were put in jeapordy.

So the taleban, the tribal leaders and their local followers who made lots of money from the death and destruction of drug trafficking are fighting a good strategic hearts and minds war.

After all in the general muslim communities in that region all are only too prepared to believe the worst from the godless US and UK.
5

donald,

glasgow 16/07/2009 03:54:57
Britain and the US did arm and train the Talibams, Saddam Hussein, auld towel hied himself, drug traffickers and bandits to attack Soviet troops, who were invited in by the legitimate Government of Afghanistan. Since the poppy fields and trafficking still go on maybe the shopkeepers know something that the "evil" ENC is not telling us.
6

Jason,

Japan 16/07/2009 04:06:52
Not so long ago you would have dismissed this out of hand as a totally absurd accusation. Now, you're not so sure. Shows how much the credibility of Authority has declined and how much the public have adopted a "Never believe anything until it's been officially denied" mindset.
7

Skyler,

16/07/2009 04:22:29
Perhaps many ordinary citizens are now joining the Taleban to rid the country of foreign troops.
8

billengland,

16/07/2009 06:30:47
Makes sense. Keeps the pot on the boil, and is good for heroin production. The great game.
9

Argyll on line,

Strachur 16/07/2009 07:00:00
History Repeating Itself

The British Empire has previously invaded Afghanistan twice – in 1838–42 and in 1878–81. In both cases the goal of the invasion was to deflect Russian influence and to prevent it from establishing a foothold in this strategic region. In response to each invasion, the Afghan population revolted against their occupiers.In 1838 Shah Dost Muhammad Khan, the ruler of Afghanistan, failed to organize significant resistance and soon surrendered. The British army occupied Ghazni, Kabul, and Jalalabad almost effortlessly. The British promoted a puppet emir, Shah Shujah, who agreed to cede to British hegemony.The majority of the Afghans, however, despised Shah Shujah for his political betrayal and initiated a rebellion against the British, whose army consumed essential food and supplies that raised local prices so high the local population in the capital of Kabul became impoverished. In turn, the Islamic mullahs began calling for a jihad – a holy war against non-believers, or infidels. On November 1, 1842, a popular uprising against the occupation attacked the British garrison in Kabul, killing hundreds of British troops. British commanders decided to withdraw from Kabul and on January 1, 1842, a regiment of 20,000 departed to the nearby cities of Jalalabad and Gandamak. The persistence of raids and ambushes by local militia during a harsh winter turned the retreat into a rout. Fewer than 2,000 British soldiers survived.

10

Jings MacCrivvens,

16/07/2009 08:27:04
#3
" It's high time for Blair, Bush, Howard, Brown and Obama to be hauled in front of the International Criminal Courts and start answering for their war crimes "

How right you are!

Will there be room in the dock for Mr Hu?
11

Mcsnagpile,

16/07/2009 09:17:23
Why do people not get it into their thick skulls that the only war criminals are losers?

We are saturated by one sided propaganda, and wrapped around in continuous convolutions. Hypnotised and lulled into a mental doldrums where you do not know or really want to know. Entangled in you own emotional web tossing and turning in their own contradictions.

The facts are a privilege that your are NOT entitled to.
12

China is number 1,

China, 16/07/2009 09:55:24
#11 Jings MacCrivvens,
And just exactly what crimes would Hu Jintao be guilty of?
Would it be for helping more of our people to get out of poverty and bringing them up to world standards?
Or was it for helping our people so quickly after the Sichuan earthquake struck?
Please make a list for me, back it up with non biased links, and back it up with solid facts.

Scotsman55
13

danraf,

stockport 16/07/2009 10:03:48
before the invasion of Afghanistan there was no heroin coming into europe from there. now we are flooded with it you can now buy Afghan Hashish here keep up the good work. Young soldiers being killed for nothing the Russians warned us what would happen. troops out NOW
14

Shug the Dug,

Edinburgh 16/07/2009 10:22:16
#13 You could fill a book of charges of China's crimes against Tibet alone. Reading a full list from there should keep you busy and stop you talking rot in these columns for months.
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China is number 1,

China, 16/07/2009 11:06:57
#15 Shug the Dug,
Let's see this bit of reading keep you busy for a while, when you're done reading it, please send me your list and thank you.

http://www.bestcyrano.org/cyrano/?p=507

Scotsman55
17

Buckpool Loon,

Cheshire 16/07/2009 11:44:45
All the deaths in Afghanistan, troops, insurgents and civilian are all collateral to the eventual solution.

That will be when Capital Hill start talking to the 'Nu-Taliban' and say -"Right fellas what's it going to cost us for you to dump your fanatics and bend a few rules so it can appear you have come round to our way of thinking.

$1 trillion - $2...maybe $3? Of course whatever we pump in has to be covered by the development projects, resource licensing and financing being handled by our global conglomerates.

But you guys, by becoming legit, will tap into a gold lode like you wouldn't believe.

And we'll look good. Can't deny that. So we look good, our corporate moguls are coining it and you see your doodle squat country turned into Eldorado.

Every ones a winner baby. Well when we say everyone, we mean everyone that matters.
18

Alba Abú,

16/07/2009 11:53:22
#15 Shug..
Yes I most certainly agree with you in relation to human rights abuses in Tibet. on the 18th March ,1000 People held a peaceful protest in Tibet against human right violations by China,in their country.Three thousand troops and police surrounded the protesters.The troops then began to open fire on the peaceful demonstration.Many were killed and to date several of the protesters have been sentenced to death,whilst others were given long prison sentences.
These outrages against democracy took place in Karze town,in the province of Sichuan in occupied Tibet.
19

Cormacksdad,

Dunfermline 16/07/2009 12:09:40
Not sure we are helping the Taleban...yet. Wait until the Trans Afghan Pipeline from the East Caspian to India is completed.........then? When the Nu-Afghan Government we are creating bites the hand that feeds them i.e. Chevron et al.............then? Too many permutations to consider....Russia, Pakistan........it's a Fu**ing Nightmare.......
20

danbob,

16/07/2009 12:18:15
18# Maybe they cannot be bought. Afghanistan is not understood by the west. Trying to impose western style democracy on a country that has no history or inclination for it is folly. We fall into this trap of thinking that our efforts will be understood and appreciated but thats only looking at the world from our perspective. The Islamic world hates the wests seculist thinking. They see us as morally corrupt and who can blame them? We are. We can go on thinking this war can be won as long as we like, It cannot.
21

guaposcot,

madrid 16/07/2009 12:19:04
are mashimaro, and china is number 1, the same person?
22

Boab,

Glasgow 16/07/2009 12:46:40
#14 danraf:

According to Nafeez Ahmad in 'The London Bombings' (I never get sick of referencing this book) heroin production was halted under the Taleban and resumed under allied occupation. One of the people we put in charge was a noted drugs and arms traffiker.
23

Geezabrekjim,

16/07/2009 13:13:01
#3 China:

How dare you come on here and claim that the Taleban have much bigger hearts than the allied forces, Particularly in light of so many of our young troops coming home in boxes. Do you have any idea what you are talking about you pinhead?

The allies should withdraw all troops from Afghanistan, wait until the Taleban completely take over, and then level the place in its entirety.

China is number 1 allright - number 1 at bullsh*^.
24

China is number 1,

China, 16/07/2009 13:48:00
#25 Geezabrekjim,
Your "boys", the American "boys" and all the allied "boys" are equipped with state of the art weaponry and yet they're leaving in boxes, you know why that is?
Your lot relies on weaponry and not heart to fight the battle, you're invaders and occupiers, you have no business there, and that's why you're losing, you really have nothing to fight for.
Your politicians couldn't give a hoot about your "boys", and neither do you. You claim to be a Democracy, but your almighty powerful vote is useless so the powers that be send your boys overseas to a war they cannot possibly win. Put your vote to work, oh I forgot, Brown just walked in and took the job, so much for your vote eh !

Scotsman55
25

China is number 1,

China, 16/07/2009 14:07:59
#19 Alba Abú,
Links buddy, non biased links, solid facts to back up your claim and you may read this as well.

http://www.bestcyrano.org/cyrano/?p=507

Your buddy is still busy reading what I sent him, he must be a slow reader. It's been 3 hours.


Scotsman55
26

Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 16/07/2009 14:29:08
a few years ago in Iraq it was the same. The majority of Iraqis developed the opinion that the US was secretly behind the sectarian violence. they saw irrational violence where lots of Iraqi civilians were killed, suicide bombings, etc. they concluded that it was instigated by the US, not spontaneous in its own.
27

The west awake,

Argyll 16/07/2009 14:37:07
"Many are struggling to understand why Britain, with all the might of Nato and the United States behind it, has failed to beat the ragtag Taleban militia."

- Then many are clueless as to the history of this country.

Since the days of Alexander the Great, Afghanistan and its "ragtag" inhabitants have been humbling mighty powers, including the once-powerful British Empire. The latest was the Soviet Union, who no doubt also wondered why their mighty army couldn't beat the "ragtags". They left in tears and so will we.

The only thing to learn from history is that no-one learns anything from history.
28

Keith Lagden,

16/07/2009 18:55:50
Just goes to show we really don't know who we are fighting with, they all look the same, same clothes, beards etc.

We cannot win this war. lets get out now, then we can NUKE them
29

Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 16/07/2009 20:11:18
The people above who say that the US/UK/EU coalition in afghanistan cannot win are under-estimating the US war-fighting machine & tactics.

The drone tactics are really now just being developed. across the board US weaponry is superior. unlike the British and Russians before them the Americans can bring in powerful air support in a precision way into any battle. as well the americans have an intelligence function in war that is better than commonly known. in other words undercover operatives play a role in US tactics.

However, we should abandon all this war and bring the troops home from all 70 countries they are in. all real Americans sympathize now with george washington's admonition in his Farewell Address to avoid foreign entanglements. only the fascist anti-Americans want to press on with more war.
30

plord,

edinburgh 16/07/2009 20:50:51
China is number 1,China

Here's that list of URL's stuffed with facts and figures you wanted







hope that helps
oops your in china so your not allowed to read them :)
31

The Saltire,

16/07/2009 21:24:37
31

No Wally as usual its the septics who underestimate the rest of the world. You may be a super power technologically but yer still a nation of big bairns every other way. You people have no understanding of anything outside of your own borders simply because you dont care. Youre too isolationist. You never learned any lessons from WW2 Korea Nor Vietnam and youre not learning any lessons in Iraq or Afganistan.
The Afgans and Iraqis will keep sending US UK body bags home as long as they remain in their country irrespective of how many of them are killed. Its their country they wont give it up to anybody.
We are on a hiding for nothing.
32

Scottyt,

Saint Paul, 16/07/2009 21:26:43
I wonder just how much it did cost to train and arm the Taleban for their fight against the Russians????
.
Why, oh why do men have to keep on fighting in the first place???? Give PEACE a shot.
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16/07/2009 21:49:30
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Taz,

The Land of the Free 16/07/2009 23:15:05
Have no fear, the yanks are coming your rescue again.
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16/07/2009 23:48:29
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China is number 1,

China, 17/07/2009 01:54:37
#32 plord,


Exactly !!!


Scotsman55
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ae911,

here 22/07/2009 00:27:09
The Soviets could never win as US poured arms into the conflict. So who is rearming the Taliban? Can't anyone stop them making bullets,rifles,mines,cellphones? The Taliban are not the problem the Arms suppliers need to wiped out.

 

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