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Published Date: 29 January 2008
THE BBC has been accused of perpetrating a sham over the number of Scottish programmes it produces.
The corporation was attacked for artificially inflating the figures to help prove its case that more programmes are being made outside London.

In one example, the TV drama Waterloo Road is claimed as a Scottish "strand" simply because the produce
r of the Manchester-based show moved north of the Border to take up a senior position with BBC Scotland.

Other programmes, including Film 2008 and the children's shows Raven: Secret Temple and Shoebox Zoo, are also classed as BBC Scotland productions, despite a tenuous connection.

The practice of over-inflating the figures came in evidence to the Scottish Broadcasting Commission, which yesterday published "key points" from its inquiry so far. It said: "There is a practice of labelling some network programmes as 'Scottish productions' when there is very little financial or creative connection to Scotland."

The producers' trade association, Pact, identified 18 programmes which it classed as London productions yet which had BBC regional offices credited in the end titles.

The programmes, which are not filmed in Scotland and bring little financial benefit to the nation, often have only nominal involvement from BBC Scotland employees. But if these are in executive positions, the programmes are badged as BBC Scotland "strands".

The trend has been branded a "sham," by broadcast union officials, but BBC Scotland claims it allows programmes to serve as vehicles for up-and-coming Scottish talent and to hone skills.

The commission's interim report also revealed that ITV executive chairman Michael Grade, who appeared before the inquiry, believes the Scottish broadcasting sector is lacking talent because the best individuals go to London.

Meanwhile, it emerged that network production in Scotland fell from 6 per cent of the UK total in 2004 to 3 per cent in 2006.

One programme criticised for a lack of transparency over where it was made is Waterloo Road, the hit drama series starring Denise Welch and Neil Morrissey. Set in Rochdale, it is produced in Manchester by an independent company, Shed Media, which despite having strong Scottish connections, is based in London.

Nonetheless, the drama is branded as by BBC Scotland because Anne Mensah, the corporation's head of drama in Scotland, is its executive producer.

The programme's controversial claims to Scottishness have been discussed by the commission and Mark Thompson, BBC director-general.

Transcripts released yesterday by the commission show Mr Thompson defending the process, albeit admitting it could be seen as "contentious".

Addressing the commission in private last month, he said: "I believe that when there is authentic, creative leadership in the executive production from a nation, the fact that a programme is made elsewhere in the UK should not exclude it."

However, Blair Jenkins, chair of the commission, said the BBC must change its policy regarding the attribution of programmes. He said: "There is quite a strong sense within the industry that there are being attributed to Scotland (shows] which have very little financial or creative connection to Scotland."

Ted Brocklebank MSP, the Tory culture minister, said: "This suggests there has been a deliberate attempt by networks to distort the true facts about what is 'Scottish' to disadvantage broadcasters north of the Border."

Pact listed ten Jonathan Ross programmes said to have been made by BBC Scotland over the past five years. Others with dubious BBC Scotland connections include two children's series.

It is understood that a number of episodes of children's show Raven: Secret Temple, a BBC Scotland production ordinarily filmed in Argyll, were filmed at an Indian studio, with BBC Scotland staff flown out to take part. Another show, the children's fantasy Shoebox Zoo, partly filmed in Canada, is also classed as a BBC Scotland production.

Union representatives have already raised the issue. Giving evidence, Lorne Boswell, the Scottish secretary of Equity, said: "Film 2008 is a BBC Scotland production. But where's it filmed? Who's in it? What's it got to do with Scotland? Next to nothing. I mean, there's no reason why it couldn't be Scottish, or couldn't be filmed up here. But there's no economic benefit to Scotland for badging that as BBC Scotland."

He added: "BBC Scotland has a dishonourable record of saying something is a BBC Scotland production when it's simply line-managed by one person or maybe a few people. But it doesn't happen in Scotland, it doesn't involve Scots people, its location is outside."

Paul Holleran, Scottish organiser of the National Union of Journalists, said the trend was not isolated to the BBC. He said: "In Grampian Television, STV does this all the time. They'll drive someone all the way from Aberdeen to work on a programme, just so they can say this is partially made by Grampian."

A BBC Scotland spokesman last night pointed out the network success of Waterloo Road had allowed Shed Media to produce Hope Springs, an upcoming series to be located in Scotland.

He said: "Across the BBC, not just Scotland, there have been instances where commissioning of continuing series follows the executive production talent, as with Anne Mensah bringing Waterloo Road when she was appointed head of drama at BBC Scotland.

"It is proving to be a vehicle for the development of Scottish scriptwriting, editing talent and production talent. These opportunities would not have arisen if there was not a synergy between all of our shows, and a major series such as Waterloo Road will continue to provide opportunities for creative talent in Scotland."

Regarding the Jonathan Ross Film programmes, he said: "BBC Scotland bid for and won the tender to make the series in 1999. It makes logistical sense to film it in London because that is where the previews of cinema releases take place, but it has been a very important building block for the development of BBC Scotland factual staff's expertise."

He added: "A raft of drama commissions are contributing to this year's substantial rise in BBC Scotland's network output – an increase which has reversed last year's decline.

"Ofcom (the telecoms watchdog] and the BBC have different ways of defining output. Ofcom would not count Shoebox Zoo or Raven India as Scottish productions because they were made outside Scotland. But they were made by BBC Scotland staff and involved Scottish talent, and we believe it was valid to count these against our output."

Talent brain drain 'benefits Scotland'

BROADCASTER and journalist Stuart Cosgrove insisted yesterday that Scotland remains a force within the UK media, despite a "talent drift" to London.

Cosgrove, who is the Head of Programmes (Nations and Regions) for Channel 4, said he believed Michael Grade's comments were not wholly representative.

"Perhaps there are sectors where we don't have the depth, and I think we're punching beneath our weight in terms of contribution to the network," he said.

But Mr Cosgrove felt that devolution had coloured London media's perception about Scotland. He said: "There are some who think that Scotland has gone its own way and makes television for a Scottish audience; therefore Scottish subject matter travels less well internationally."

He said, however, that there was a new confidence in Scottish media circles, and that meant criticism could be taken constructively: "Scotland is doing significantly better than north-east England, chunks of East Anglia and Northern Ireland.

"Let's not lose sight of the fact that Michael Grade, Mark Thompson and Andy Duncan have attended the Scottish Broadcasting Commission. They didn't get on a plane and fly up to Glasgow for fun. They came here because they know it's a serious media centre."

Referring to Mr Grade's comments that the only option for ambitious Scots was to go to London, Mr Cosgrove said that was not necessarily a bad thing: "I think Scotland and other small nations invariably suffer from 'talent drift', where generations of talent leave the country for opportunities elsewhere.

"In small nations you'd be naive to think that there aren't bigger stages," Mr Cosgrove said. "It's a good thing to move around.

"If you take the example of the tennis player Andy Murray. We want him to succeed internationally and to do that he has to go to America, Europe and Australia. If he was to only play in Scotland, he'd never be known. It's the same with music."

Media 'suffers talent exit' as creative minds head south to London

SCOTLAND'S broadcasting industry is faltering because potential talent is continuing to relocate to London, according to one of Britain's foremost media figures.

Michael Grade, the executive chairman of ITV, said the "brutal truth" was that Scotland suffered from a "talent exit problem", a view expressed by other major media companies in evidence to the Scottish Broadcasting Commission.

Mr Grade, a former chairman of the board of governors of the BBC, said he had been coming to Scotland for two decades, but found anyone with talent had moved south to further their career.

His candid views were published yesterday in evidence released by the commission in its ongoing inquiry into the future of the industry.

Addressing Blair Jenkins, the chairman of the commission, last month, Mr Grade, also a former chief executive of Channel 4, said: "You need a couple of hits and that cures everything. How do you get there from here? You've got years of decline and, almost, neglect."

He added: "I think you have a talent exit problem. There's no shortage of very successful creative Scottish writers, directors, producers and executives in broadcasting around the rest of the UK, particularly in the metropolitan London area."

His comments formed part of a frosty response by ITV to the commission, with the commercial broadcaster claiming it was not obliged to source network programmes from Scotland at all.

The firm said it operated in a free market for ideas and talent, and that Scottish producers simply did not succeed in capturing their interest.

The reason why Scottish creative personnel had been unable to make their name in their homeland, Mr Grade suggested, was "lost in the mists of time", but he suggested there was hope for the future, pointing to BBC Scotland's new headquarters at Pacific Quay in Glasgow.

He added: "The success of one or two independents up here will encourage talented people to stay and to show that it is possible."

Mr Grade said public intervention, including tax breaks, was one option, but difficult to justify, adding: "I'm sure there are bigger priorities in Scotland."

Mr Grade's views were echoed by Andy Duncan, Channel 4's chief executive. In his evidence to the commission, Mr Duncan said: "We haven't got strong drama-producing companies in Scotland who are pitching strong ideas, so even if we said we'd love to have a returning drama series in Scotland, there's just not the company there to do that."

Hamish Barbour, creative director of IWC Media, pointed to tax credit systems in Canada and Ireland as a way of boosting local broadcasting industries. He said such a system "would have a huge impact".

Slimmed-down Gaelic service to cost £20m

MORE than £20 million a year is to be spent on a new dedicated Gaelic broadcasting service that will be accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland.

The service, which was approved by the BBC Trust yesterday, will be launched in the summer to cater for the nation's Gaelic-speaking population of around 60,000.

But the service, which will cost licence fee payers an additional £3.5 million a year, will be a slimmed-down version from what was envisaged. It will launch on cable, satellite and broadband, but not Freeview, amid continued fears it may lack public value.

The BBC Executive and the Gaelic Media Service (GMS) applied to the BBC Trust to set up the service in July 2007.

It will cost £20.8 million a year, of which GMS will contribute £10.1 million and the BBC £10.7 million. The BBC already spends £7.2 million a year on Gaelic services.

The decision not to transmit the services on Freeview cut the cost by £4 million, the BBC said.

The trust warned in November that the BBC Executive and the GMS, who are behind the plan, still needed to prove its worth for the general public.

Yesterday, it said steps had been made in this direction – but indicated it was still not fully convinced. This led to the rejection, for the time being, of the Freeview option, which will be reviewed in 2010 to establish whether the service reaches a wide audience and has educational value for non-Gaelic speakers.

The Gaelic Zone will continue to transmit on terrestrial BBC2.

HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS

1. BBC commissions Waterloo Road, drama series about failing comprehensive school. Set in Rochdale, it stars Neil Morrissey (from Stoke-on-Trent) and Denise Welch (from Co Durham).

2. Series produced in Manchester for BBC by Shed Media. Despite Scottish connections, Shed Media is based in London.

3. Anne Mensah is series' executive producer. She moves from north-east of England in 2006 to become head of drama at BBC Scotland.

4. Series then branded BBC Scotland "strand" on back of Mensah move. Few other Scots involved in the show.

5. BBC Scotland regards series as vehicle to which cast and crew of River City might "graduate". But Scottish writer only comes on board for Waterloo Road's 12th episode.

6. BBC director-general Mark Thompson defends practice. He tells Scottish Broadcasting Commission: "I believe that when there is authentic, creative leadership in executive production from a nation, the fact that a programme is made elsewhere in the UK should not exclude it."



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  • Last Updated: 29 January 2008 9:35 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: The BBC
 
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29/01/2008 00:22:43
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29/01/2008 00:25:38
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 29/01/2008 00:36:06
Dotaman could take DJ Jazzy Jeff any day of the week fakey.

Glad the commission picked up on this. London Prod'n companies have been coming up here for the last ten years opening an office staffing it with a Tarquin or Clarinda and siphoning up the Nations and Regions commissions.

This is the most telling comment, and any First Minister would be right to get angry about it.

'Addressing Blair Jenkins, the chairman of the commission, last month, Mr Grade, also a former chief executive of Channel 4, said: "You need a couple of hits and that cures everything. How do you get there from here? You've got years of decline and, almost, neglect."'
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Edward,

29/01/2008 00:36:11
#1 & #2 Ayrshire Scot
Your one sad person!
You are really clueless of what is going on and what this is all about
Firsty why should First Minister Salmond get 'apoplectic'? The people of Scotland should be angered, quite rightly at being duped into believing that programmes that claim to be made by BBC Scotland are made in Scotland. A bit like buying something with Made in Scotland on the box, only to open up the box and find its made in China!
As for the Gaelic Channel, it will serve all the Gaelic speakers and encourage interest in the Gaelic language, however your incorrect as regards broadcast on terrestrial as it will not be broadcast on Freeview, but will only be available via Satellite or internet.
Perhaps you should start taking more pride in Scotland, that is if you really are Scottish as you claim
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Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 29/01/2008 00:42:33
Don't really mater does it.?

We have all known for..'Donkey-Years' we DONT really have a Proper,
'Scottish TV Service'

Look at the absolute, 'JOKE' Edinburgh gets on TV coverage for hogmanay!

A School Class of 12year olds could do better.!!

The BBC are becoming a..'Disaster' for family TV viewing!
Look at CBBC for instance, Saturday Mornings used to have plenty, Live shows on for Children all ages,
Now it only shows, 'cheap non interesting, stupid cartoons'
But it saves money for the BBC, when they show cartoons all day!...'dont-it'
20pence an Hour is it.?
Thats all its worth!
'ABSOULETLY DISSGRACEFUL'

____________________

Comming on to the Topic of "Waterloo Road" who cares where its made..??
This is a, 'semi-good' programme that my DYW and I enjoy!

And whats with that 'Rubbish' the BBC put on BBC3,

'The Family Guy'..??

For 'Gods-Sake' another 20pence an hour, for them to show.?
What 'Adult', wants to watch it at 11pm-1am.??

I must say, over the last 7years the BBC has gone to,
'THE-PITT'S'

As for Scotland, we never get a, 'look-in', only,
'Tread-upon'

Typical attitude;

'OH'..'OH'..BBC..'Thats Wonderful Viewing'!
'OH'..'OH'..BBC..'You are our God'!
'OH'.. 'OH'..BBC..'You know best what we want to watch'!
'OH'.. 'OH'..BBC..'More,,,More,,,More'!

And Like, 'Scottish-Mice' we never speak up!

Dont Blame the BBC! We are the ones to Blame,,because
'WE'
Let them away with it!!

Here's Some 'Rotton old food to eat!
Its gona msake you very ill!
'OH'..'OH'..'Thats OK IM Scottish'!
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Kipling,

29/01/2008 01:53:40
what d'you expect of the British Broadcasting Con.
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Charles Linskaill,

.Edinburgh 29/01/2008 02:16:16
12 Kipling,
"what d'you expect of the British Broadcasting Con."

Nowt.. 'Absolutely'..Nowt.!

As it IS.! :-((
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Faye,

29/01/2008 02:45:04
Does this mean the game show scams weren't made in Scotland?
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Guga II,

Rockall 29/01/2008 05:10:19
What else would you expect from the EBC, other than a pack of lies and distortions.

It's time we got rid of all traces of English control over broadcasting in Scotland, among other things, and got rid of the iniquitous television tax, most of which goes to the EBC in England.

#5 AM Squared, as usual, tries to do a bit of distortion of his own. He is so pro-unionist that he tries to make out that it is only a complaint about Scots and English working on the same productions; as opposed to the EBC deliberately lying about where programs are made.

#10 Balamory is probably too complex for AM Squared and, anyway, they don't have Irish accents.
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Very Rev Ian Paisley,

29/01/2008 06:05:28
Its worrying that these are another example of highly skilled and paid jobs that we are not allowed to have here.

Everything that is worth something is taken away.
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williamx,

canada 29/01/2008 06:35:33
I live in a small village south of Vancouver. Many Canadian or Foreign film makers use the village for scenes in their movies. This gives funds to the local shopkeepers and the town council. we don't care where the actors, writers etc come from so long as we get paid and there is a credit at the end of the broadcast.
By playing the BBC game you are missing out on income to local sites.
Perhaps the Scottish Parliament should set out what constitutes a " Scottish" program ie made in Scotland. The Scottish parliament should demand that there is some accounting policy such as based on Scottish license payments with an agreement that the amount over the physical provision of the service should be spent in Scotland and not in India etc.
If the BBC fails to accept these proposals, then the Scottish Government should be the only government to collect license fees and should pay the BBC for transmission costs and the expense of shows produced in Scotland.
In other words, the Scottish government collects the license fees and pays the BBC for what the Scottish government considers as service. This way all the little games cease. Perhaps Bendy Wendy could add this to her Scottish devolved commission?
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Drum Major,

Keperra 29/01/2008 06:42:43
I would send them a snail mail but I can't get Canon Australia to provide technical support for my Pixma ip3000.
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29/01/2008 06:48:41
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Grumpy,

29/01/2008 07:02:24
Using the BBCs logic, ALL programmes should go out as having been produced in Scotland, since, using their tenuous link logic, John Logie Baird (the inventor of TV) was Scottish, and Lord Reith, the founder of the BBC was also Scottish.

But the down side of that is that BBC Scotland would get crdited with producing Eastenders.............
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subrosa,

29/01/2008 07:25:26
# 11

Tend to agree with you about Pete Wishart. He's never been a particularly 'strong' MP. Mind you I didn't think he looked too well. Maybe his days with Runrig are beginning to tell.
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Alannah,

29/01/2008 07:41:43
Never mind the number of programmes made "outside Scotland" .... what about the shocking lack of programes either made or based in locations other than close to the BBC's Clydeside fortress? The rest of Scotland barely gets a look in!
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Iain fae Elgin,

London 29/01/2008 07:42:06
Two words:

River City.



Oh, and another five:
Must do better next time.


I'm not suprised they don't let Scottish production companies loose with anymore money.
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donald,

glasgow 29/01/2008 07:44:43
EBC Goes Ape with Labour policies.
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James,

Dùn Dèagh 29/01/2008 07:45:42
We should be grateful for the crumbs from her majestys EBC's table!

Chic Young anyone?
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donald,

glasgow 29/01/2008 07:46:58
Anything detrimental to Scotland gets automatic approval from Labour's Brit Nat trolls
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jj veritas,

29/01/2008 07:51:27
BBC staff and politicians - two of a kind - paid by the taxpayer and rely on sham to kid the public.
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conservative,

Fife 29/01/2008 07:51:55
#25 Rulesbutnotrulers

Well for a start we could make it clear how much we want to sever all connections with England. Come on you SNP cannon-fodder - you're missing another opportunity. That should be enough to make Scottish talent want to stay here......

Yeah - right!
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eric,

Lothian 29/01/2008 07:54:38
I stopped atching BBC channels years ago.Its just like flicking through the hundreds of Channels in the USA that are meaningless tripe.Scrap licence now,
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Sheila mac,

Eyemouth 29/01/2008 08:41:44
Dear #4 and several others. What's all this malarky about the 'True Scots', and standing up for your rights and proud of it. I'm English and proud of it. I live in Scotland - and love it - and proud of it. I love the country and the people. So please stop making me feel like a 2nd class citizen.
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moiaussi,

29/01/2008 08:53:28
#33
Vincent - the TV licence fee is only spent on 'British' even if it does ocassionally involve joint productions with other countries. Talent, etc follows the money - that's the trend. If the money was kept here the talent would also stay here much more than it does.
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Ike,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:02:28
Surely this is about the license/tax which we all have to pay on threat of prison. The BBC has an obligation to spend Scottish license-payers cash here. There were almost 7 hours of English football on Saturday on BBC 1 and not a kick of the ball in Scotland. Hard cash in fees goes to these English clubs when most Scottish clubs are starving. It's the same right across the BBC - the message is that we're not good enough... and that's total s****!
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Helmut Smegma,

Edinburgh. 29/01/2008 09:05:16
Shortage of news today?
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 09:05:33
Everyone scoffed at the idea of a Scottish Broadcasting Commission but it appears the BBC have been deceiving the Governors, as well as the Scottish public!

The BBC is a monolithic organisation which will never devolve a larger share of radio and televsion production to the 'Regions'.

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Gusto,

29/01/2008 09:09:38
Well statistically, CNN has more "Scottish" news than the BBC. Internationally (BBC1+2+World) rarely or only by accident, mention Scottish news, or even football results - yes - English, Spanish, Italian premier league, but no Scottish results.
Nothing new - British is English - always has been, but the Scots can tag along - token value...
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Ike,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:15:44
#38 It very much is news... a highly critcal report on a hugely inluential opinion former which does more than any other organisation in the UK to shape perceptions. It takes £300 million tax from Scotland and it is a disgrace that these monies are not invested here. It can do whar it wants with its other £2.7 Billion for all I care, but this is a genuine scandal.
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Hugo of Garven,

29/01/2008 09:16:55
The scandal is the economy of truth made by the BBC when labelling some network programmes as 'Scottish productions'.

The BBC used to have, and deserve, a reputation for truth. Now it only has the reputation - and that is dwindling.
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Sedov,

Scotland 29/01/2008 09:16:58
Who cares where they are made as long as the programmes are good quality - the Scotsman is getting as bad as Breakfast television for gossip.
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gus1940,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 09:18:35
As long as we don't just get more cr-p about Rangers & Celtic.
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Jambo Number 1,

29/01/2008 09:24:58
What a surprise that AM2 loves the Enland-Scotland working relationship..

May I ask you AM2 how many English Productions are made in Scotland under, say BBC Solent or BBC Manchester?

Many Nationalists complain of a one way Union?

It seems Unionists just seem to enjoy being subserivent to the English, I know I don't.

Scottish 6 now please, that would be good for starters. (David Robertsons pen tricks are worth it alone)
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Mikey,

29/01/2008 09:28:25
I see the Britnat trolls are out in force today. I realise that Ayrshire fakey doesn't understand Gaelic programmes. Let's face it, Eorpa is FAR too highbrow for him! What's the matter fakey, can't read the subtitles?

Sheila Mac, if you're English and live in Scotland, what's the problem? True Scots are those who want to make the country grow and prosper. Britnats are those who want to see the country on it's knees and resent anyone who stands up for Scotland and tries to make it a better place to live! Which one are you? Considering of course, that you don't have to be born in Scotland to be a 'true Scot!'
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Nellie,

Liverpool 29/01/2008 09:29:05
If this bothers the great Scottish public, the Aussies will be right about whinging Poms.
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North Enclosure ER,

HUNGERFORD 29/01/2008 09:46:06
#34 For Scots read - People of Scotland it - does not matter that you are Welsh, Irish or English or any other nationality. It is the people of Scotland that are losing out with this BBC deception.



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Ike,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 09:48:55
# 44
How depressing.

We - the license payers - have no choice but to stump up the £3 billion plus income enjoyedby the BBC including the £800k + benfits to Director General Mark Thomson. But we don't get shares or voting rights even though we own it, and despite the fact that this is very big business indeed. I know of no other business which can sell its product on the international market trousering all the proceeds without asny regard to the poor suckers who have to stump up the venture capital year in, year out, undcer threat of prison. If the BBC is a national treasure 9 per cent of that treasure should be invested in our young people... writers, artists, actors, cameramen etc for the benefit of the economy here. Why should our young talent have second class, lower level ambitions? It's a genuine scandal.
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Undertone,

29/01/2008 09:56:36
"Slimmed-down Gaelic service to cost £20m

MORE than £20 million a year is to be spent on a new dedicated Gaelic broadcasting service that will be accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland"

Shame on you Martyn for spoiling a sensible piece of journalism with this slanted nonsense about the Gaelic service.

"Accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland" ...really?; surely it will be accessible to everyone who has a Sky platform & why did you use "just". Slimmed down to £20 million you claim - it was never going to cost more than this figure!!

If some of the mainstream productions that come from BBC Scotland consistently matched the quality of the Gaelic output - Radio especially but also TV - the overall offering to the Scottish public would be far better.

So, instead of indulging in this petty nonsense Martyn could you direct your talent towards making BBC Scotland a world class service.The first part of your articile is worthy of debate within this context; the latter part is divisive rubbish.

Raise you game mate......
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Brucey,

29/01/2008 09:58:43
This is a big issue for the production sector up here, but its not restricted to us. BBC Wales nominally produced Life On Mars despite it being set and shot in Manchester with a pretty much exclusively English creative and production team. Waking The Dead was nominally BBC Northern Ireland - and so the BBC gets to talk about the many hours of regional drama it produces.

We face a much more deep rooted problem with broadcasters. They simply think that with one or two exceptions the audience won't watch Scottish drama because of the accents and the content - they automatically assume that its full of miserable sweaty's. I've known drama series in development set in the west end of Glasgow where commissioners have taken one look and thought we don't want miserable scots.. Most series, if they are to have a chance have to have at least one English character at its core.

The assertion that River City is a kind of academy from which people graduate to shows like Waterloo Road is misleading. The people referred to have made lots of network primetime drama before working for River City.

As for our resident cheerleader, Scotland does better than chunks of East Anglia. He's kidding, right?
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:00:24
1 You are an ignoramus!

No one can possibly benefit from the loss of a language and the culture and the literature that invariably go with it.Your view has no more resonance than if I suggest ban the teaching of Burns,because the man couldnae talk proper Inglish wot we can !

You are a really pathetic excuse for a Scotsman.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:09:14
Film 2008 with Jonathan Ross has a BBC Scotland caption. It is made 100% in London with London staff - but it is paid for by BBC Scotland, who get no benefit from it. The money is stolen from the Scottish Budget to fund London Programmes.
Look up Ms. Mensah in the BBC Scotland directory, and you will see that Ms. Mensah, with her "BBC Scotland" drama department, is actually based in a London, not Glasgow office. BBC Scotland only pays for it.
Programmes made on location in Scotland, like Rock Face, Monarch of the Glen and Hamish MacBeth had their entire crews jetted in from London and accommodated at great expense in hotels up her for each of these series. There was real Scottish involvement - production and technical crews were all from London.
Scottish Rugby Internationals at Murrayfield and all athletic events in Scotland, once covered by BBC Scotland, are now done at enormous expense by 100% London Crews, again flown and put up in top hotels at great expense, all to avoid using any BBC Scotland staff.
BBC Scotland in the past ten years has become just a sham, suffering massive redundancies and loss of facilities while work, even that done in Scotland, has been transferred to London.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:11:33
Film 2008 with Jonathan Ross has a BBC Scotland caption. It is made 100% in London with London staff - but it is paid for by BBC Scotland, who get no benefit from it. The money is stolen from the Scottish Budget to fund London Programmes.
Look up Ms. Mensah in the BBC Scotland directory, and you will see that Ms. Mensah, with her "BBC Scotland" drama department, is actually based in a London, not Glasgow office. BBC Scotland only pays for it.
Programmes made on location in Scotland, like Rock Face, Monarch of the Glen and Hamish MacBeth had their entire crews jetted in from London and accommodated at great expense in hotels up her for each of these series. There was real Scottish involvement - production and technical crews were all from London.
Scottish Rugby Internationals at Murrayfield and all athletic events in Scotland, once covered by BBC Scotland, are now done at enormous expense by 100% London Crews, again flown and put up in top hotels at great expense, all to avoid using any BBC Scotland staff.
BBC Scotland in the past ten years has become just a sham, suffering massive redundancies and loss of facilities while work, even that done in Scotland, has been transferred to London.
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Electric Hermit,

29/01/2008 10:11:33
Ayrshire Scot™

"However I am talking about the gaelic garbage that is currently on terrestrial and is staying on terrestrial. Namely Eorpa, De a Nis, Cuntaas etc. Viewing figures for these must be in the region of 10 sheep farmers and 5 crofters. These programs should be replaced forthwith."

This is ill-informed petty selfishness of the worst kind. If you had actually viewed the programme before shooting your mouth off you would be aware that Eorpa is an extremely informative and interesting production. Although I have no Gaelic I frequently watch it. I certainly would not presume to comment on it from a position of complete ignorance.

And your notion that a programme is only worthwhile if it attracts a mass audience is equally shallow. Unlike yourself, I rejoice in the rich diversity of TV. Even those parts which have no appeal for me personally. I am appalled by the thought that all TV might be reduced to the bland, mass-market pap that you seem to favour.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:11:53
Film 2008 with Jonathan Ross has a BBC Scotland caption. It is made 100% in London with London staff - but it is paid for by BBC Scotland, who get no benefit from it. The money is stolen from the Scottish Budget to fund London Programmes.
Look up Ms. Mensah in the BBC Scotland directory, and you will see that Ms. Mensah, with her "BBC Scotland" drama department, is actually based in a London, not Glasgow office. BBC Scotland only pays for it.
Programmes made on location in Scotland, like Rock Face, Monarch of the Glen and Hamish MacBeth had their entire crews jetted in from London and accommodated at great expense in hotels up her for each of these series. There was real Scottish involvement - production and technical crews were all from London.
Scottish Rugby Internationals at Murrayfield and all athletic events in Scotland, once covered by BBC Scotland, are now done at enormous expense by 100% London Crews, again flown and put up in top hotels at great expense, all to avoid using any BBC Scotland staff.
BBC Scotland in the past ten years has become just a sham, suffering massive redundancies and loss of facilities while work, even that done in Scotland, has been transferred to London.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:23:30
The simple fact is that Scotland pays 9% of the BBC funding,and receives 3% of the expenditure, and now we find that even that was debatably falsified!

The BBC MUST fix this and be made to make up for the funds which have been taken out of Scotland and used to subsidise London and the rest of England for years now.
The simple fact is the BBC operate a single part time radio station in Scotland,(BBC Radio Scotland) and south of the border we have :

North East & Cumbria:
1. Radio Cumbria
2. Radio Newcastle
3. BBC Tees
North West:
4. Radio Lancashire
5. Radio Merseyside
6. Radio Manchester
Yorkshire:
7. Radio Leeds
8. Radio Sheffield
9. Radio York
East Yorks & Lincs:
10. Radio Humberside
11. Radio Lincolnshire
East Midlands:
12. Radio Nottingham
13. Radio Leicester
14. Radio Derby
West Midlands:
15. Radio Stoke
16. Radio Shropshire
17. WM
18. Coventry & Warwickshire
19. Hereford & Worcester

East:
20. Radio Northampton
21. Three Counties Radio
22. Radio Cambridgeshire
23. Radio Norfolk
24. Radio Suffolk
25. BBC Essex
London:
26. BBC London 94.9
South East:
27. Radio Kent
28. Southern Counties Radio
South:
29. Radio Berkshire
30. Radio Oxford
31. Radio Solent
West:
32. Radio Gloucestershire
33. Radio Swindon
34. Radio Wiltshire
35. Radio Bristol
36. BBC Somerset
South West:
37. Radio Devon
38. Radio Cornwall
39. Radio Guernsey
40. Radio Jersey
Theres how Scotland's licence fee is spent!

You are also familiar with England games appearing on BBC whilst Scotland games were televised by SETANTA or elsewhere .
It does not take a genius to work out that if the BBC does not win the bid for Scotland games then thats money which can be used to cover England's games.
We already would only get our share by virtue of the fact that we are only 9% of the population and unlikely to match England in sport very often.
We even had Regional variations in the weather
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Dileas,

29/01/2008 10:23:57
"One programme criticised for a lack of transparency over where it was made is Waterloo Road, the hit drama series starring Denise Welch and Neil Morrissey. Set in Rochdale, it is produced in Manchester by an independent company, Shed Media, which despite having strong Scottish connections, is based in London.

Nonetheless, the drama is branded as by BBC Scotland because Anne Mensah, the corporation's head of drama in Scotland, is its executive producer."

I am amazed that not one of the 60 posts so far has asked why, if Anne Mensah is "head of drama in Scotland" she is producing programmes in Manchester.

Why is she not working in Scotland?

Is the "Scottish" part of her job simply that she is paid by BBC Scotland - even the funding allegedly allocated to Scotland is being "redirected" to England.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:26:49
62 continued (blame the BBC )

We even had Regional variations in the weather for English regions and yet Scotland and Northern Ireland were treated as a single report when they cover 50% of the United Kingdom in area !They therefore have 50% of the weather and thats dictated by a far higher authority than the BRITISH BRAINWASHING CORPORATION!
We are not complaining! We are sick up to the teeth!
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Highland Mighty,

29/01/2008 10:28:17
26, 27, 28, 29 and 31 are all by the same tedious nat poster!

They are killing these boards with all their fake users and relentless ranting.

And if Salmond beheaded a puppy on live children's tv they would applaud him for protecting kids from what would eventually have been a killer dog under NuLabour of London.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:28:31
A question Mr. Salmond should be asking under the Freedom of Information Act. Just how many times a year do BBC London outside Broadcast units come to Scotland and what are the costs in travel and subsistence? The BBC with their mania for paperwork have this all itemised and costed, so they have precise figures. What is the carbon footprint alone of these thousands, many thousands of flights and the lumbering fleet of huge vehicles, often 10 or more trundling the 2400 miles from London belching greenhouse gases, using perhaps 5,000 litres or more of diesel per programme all to avoid using local facilities?
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 29/01/2008 10:32:30
I am gratified to learn that one of the BBC "Scotland" programmes is filmed in Canada (Shoebox Zoo).

It must be because of our breathtaking and expansive scenery.

Also, our first Prime Minister was Sir John A MacDonald, a dipsomaniacal Scot, and this is carrying on the tradition.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 10:35:38
66
Firstly you cannot possibly know that to be correct .

You could just as easily be Am2 for all we know.

Secondly even if you were correct it would neither validate nor invalidate what he has to say,and you should realise that!

Your point is pure presumption and therefore futile.
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 10:42:32
#63
Read my posts above. Ms. Mensah actually based in London, as the "Scottish Drama Department" is just a sham and a fraud. Look her up in the BBC Scotland telephone directory and the only phone number against her name is a London, not Scottish one. That says it all. This started with Andrea Calderwood many years ago and every BBC Scotland Head of Drama since has perpetuated the situation. They base themselves in London to be with all their London Luvvy friends, to whom they give all the work.
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sweet76,

Coventry 29/01/2008 11:10:47
When are the brain dead nationalists that post 'the English have taken this and the English have taken that' going to realise that England and London are 2 different places.
The English population that lives outside of the M25 are as hacked off as everyone else when it comes to the amount of resources that London takes.
Does accepting this fact effect anyone's self imposed victim status or are nationalists the same as those in the south east of England thinking that they are at the centre of the universe and no one else excists.
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InThe Know,

29/01/2008 11:23:10
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And what relevance does that to the BBC's lie, that money they claim is being spent in Scotland is actually not? This has nothing to do with "brain dead nationalists" as you say, just a massive fraud by a Corporation which almost daily gets caught perpetrating some fraud or deception. It's al about trust, decency and honesty, qualities which long ago ceased to exist in the BBC.
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sweet76,

29/01/2008 11:30:43
#74
#15 Guga II "It's time we got rid of all traces of English control over broadcasting in Scotland"

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sweet76,

29/01/2008 11:35:57
The BBC is ran for the benefit of the people who work there any political bias they wish to broadcast.
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 Ayrshire Scot™,

29/01/2008 11:36:50
1,2,73 etc - Morning Fakey (space)

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Morbo,

29/01/2008 11:43:15
The obvious solution is to close the BBC or end the licence fee. Why should I pay for someone else to watch Eastenders, etc? Why should the chairman get paid 3/4 of a million of public money for doing f all?

Scottish Six - let's face it, it would be Glasgow Six and there's only so much news about Celtic someone can take. News is international and almost nothing of consequence happens in Scotland so all you're talking about is news presented by two Scottish people. Since these people already have a job at 6:30 there will be no extra jobs or money out of this, just more inappropriate jokey banter by people not good enough to get a national job.

Money does get subverted and concentrated in London but let's focus on the bigger thieves like St Pancreas Station paid for by the nation and used by mostly Londoners and foreigners. Then, when there is traffic congestion (because they've concentrated all the jobs in the south east) they start with taxation under the assumption the whole country is like that. They have no idea because they never leave London to find out.
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Liz,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 11:43:36
#74
Yes, and at least the Scots have a voice/platform on these issues. Most of England gets more shafted than Scotland on these things but they do not get the same opportunities to winge about them.
There is little local output from any of English regions (apart from the news).
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connaughtboy,

stonehaven 29/01/2008 11:45:25
ahhhh, the Union dividend !
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Alfie the OK,

Reporting live from the English Regions.... 29/01/2008 11:57:01
At least you have a BBC Scotland - ie, it's named after your country. Down here we have to make do with 'The English Regions' (whatever they are). And at every single opportunity, the Beeb never fails to do Gordon's bidding in his attempt to rebrand England as 9 backwater regions. Hopefully, the BBC will go the way of all overblown and inefficient stste-run clubs for the boys (and girls) - and capitulate.

It used to be objective and fair - and the finest broadcaster in the world. Those days are now long gone. They now seem to be obsessed with being New Labour's poodle, wasting tonnes of cash on meaningless projects - and knocking out ever more repeats of Dad's Army and Only Fools and Horses....
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 12:00:17
#81
Not true. Scotland did have an extensive and successful broadcasting system in the largely devolved BBC Scotland. However, John Birt started the destruction of this and successive DGs ever since have carried on with this centralist policies. Even the great Greg Dyke, almost worshipped in London, was a centralist, probably the worst ever, opposed to any production outside London, and no friend of BBC Scotland. The last BBC Scotland controller to behave honourably and try to defend BBC Scotland was Alastair Hetherington, who was sacked for his efforts. Since then London have appointed a series of weak "yes men" who agree to the wholesale destruction of the organisation they should be defending. Pacific Quay was thrown to them as a sop - a big shiny impressive building which does not even work technically and produces nothing, yet provides over a thousand largely sinecure jobs but no programmes. The present controller, Ken MacQuarrie is the supreme example of complacency, not daring to speak out as BBC Scotland is systematically demolished underneath him.
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Calum Crubag,

29/01/2008 12:01:57
Why doesn't the Gaelic service go on Freeview. There's already a 'Gaelic there' that only broadcasts 30 minutes a day. Why not use that and save the money?
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Calum Crubag,

29/01/2008 12:03:12
#84 -Rulersnot... therefore you propose disolving the 'nation' of Great Britain? Or are you a British Nationalist?
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Queen D,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 12:44:02
Hope all the hacked off' English regions ' start shouting at the London BBC too!
Deluge them with complaint, insist that since they don't cover the country that they dispense with their compulsary fee and live in the world.
Insist that they reduce so called celebrity presenters and grossly reduce the money paid to them.
Insist that they stop those intermission bits with hippos,bikers,kites etc. they cost a fortune.
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Theodore,

29/01/2008 12:49:29
I think it's time for the people of Scotland to have referendum on the requirement of the BBC. I think a media outlet based in another country that receives part of it's income via tax from Scotland should be changed to "pay per view".

It gives people of Scotland the democratic right to Tune into this station if they wish and pay for the privilege or not to. Wake up Labour government!!!
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Morbo,

29/01/2008 12:51:37
#89 Sadly those bits are the best the BBC has to offer!
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Lock,

29/01/2008 13:06:19
#79,

Amazing. It takes till the 79th post before someone comes up with the easiest and best solution: Scrap the BBC. Simple.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 13:14:05
84

Norway took independence from Sweden and is one continuous success story ,the very opposite of what you portray in Poland, which was always a poor country,and even now earnings are higher here for a menial job than most professional posts in Poland. I know a few Poles who are very highly qualified,who work and live here and earn a basic minimum wage,and still send more home to the family in Poland than they could earn there even doing a job which requires their qualifications.

You cannot decry nationalism on the strength of one nation.Every nation is nationalism,so it includes the highest and the lowest,and quite honestly I was surprised that you tried.
Yours were usually some of the better contributions !
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Joe M.,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 13:15:32
Ayshire Scot - time to rename yourself to 'self hating anti-Scots Brit' your irrational dislike for Gaelic speaks wonders as does your lack of concern at this con trick by the BBC.
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Davie08,

a basement at Edinburgh uni 29/01/2008 13:30:05
McDiarmid had it right BBC the Anglosaxophone
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SC,

Dundee 29/01/2008 13:30:07
I think a lot of people are hitting on the real issue here.

The UK media market is massively distorted by the BBC - a state company which vitrually monopolises available resources through their TV tax.

The solution is simple. You can't actively reverse centralisation, but if you remove the centralising force - the BBC - balance will slowly be restored.

So the BBC should be forced to raise it's funding commercially. This will massively reduce their budget and reach, allowing private companies - including those outside London - to breath.
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Brucey,

29/01/2008 13:42:49
63 - Anne Mensah exec produced WR through her previous job, and brought it with her when she came to Scotland.

As for the comments about her being based in London, my understanding is that while she certainly in London a lot, she is now pretty much based in Scotland now.

Also, Shoebox Zoo is something that should be celebrated here. A successful series of huge international appeal, co-produced by BBC Scotland with largely Scottish based creative and acting talent. This is the kind of show that proves Grade wrong.

And no, I'm not a bbc employee and I didn't work on any of the shows being discussed!
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 13:48:11
69

I am curious as to whether you meant carrying on the tradition of scenery and a Scottish Prime Minister, or whether it was a recognition of our dipsomaniacal behaviour?
No offence taken by the way!
In either event ,the cap probably fits us ,unfortunately .
I have been known to partake of a mild refreshment or two myself.
Two things I learned from such endeavours were that the world is full of beautiful women,but they never leave their identical twins side.
Ces'tLa Vie !
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Royster,

29/01/2008 13:49:35
Does BBC Scotland want to serialise my 'Lust on the Links' bodice ripper? A sordid golfing tale of sex and ignomy between the Scotland's First Minister and Donald Trump. Shot on location in the north east.
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Publius,

London 29/01/2008 13:51:04
#100 SC

Right on. The BBC is an absurd quasi-monopoly that has long outlived its usefulness. There are now 40 free to view TV channels and the internret!
And licence fees are absurd too: why should you pay for a licence for a TV set? The consequences of this are a database (it won't be accurate; state databases never are!), a bureaucracy to maintain it that contributes nothing to anyone except its own jobs; spies who wander round the country persecuting eccentrics who choose not to have a TV; more fines and gaol sentences than were created by the poll tax. The solution is one simple:
(1) leave the BBC with 1 TV channel, 1 radio network and the world service.
(2) abolish the licence fee leaving the BBC with its direct grant for the world service, the right to bid for grants from the Arts Council etc, the right to sell programmes overseas and whatever advertising revenue it can raise.
(3) end multiple ownership of freeview channels by the BBC, ITC, Channel 4 and 5.
(4) allow anyone to run 1 TV channel subject to putting up the money to maintain the transmission network. That way we could have at least one English-language Scottish TV service and one Gaelic service, so long as someone - perhaps the Scottish government - put up the money. That would solve the problem of TV made in Scotland at a stroke.
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Nìall,

Edinburgh 29/01/2008 13:51:47
What's all this about "slimming" for the service not going on Freeview? The proposed plan never included Freeview before 2010, and that date is still on the cards.

To those who talk about getting Gaelic off cooncil telly -- that was the plan all along. The BBC and SMG (STV/Grampian) pledged a few million each in order to buy themselves out of their public service obligation to Gaelic.

As to the programming, I think it's pretty fair to call a program made approximately 50-50 in Edinburgh and Canada (Shoe-Box Zoo) a Scottish production. It's hardly in the same league as Waterloo Road or Film 2008. Pick your targets better, pal.

It's pretty cynical creative accounting on the BBC's part, but this is unbelievably weak reporting on the Scotsman's part.
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Davie08,

a basement at Edinburgh uni 29/01/2008 13:56:49
#103
Royster why not try something more autobigrphical 'One Handed Typing - an Onanists tale'
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 14:02:26
99

I had not heard that before,but its typical of Christopher Grieve NICE ONE!

I would love to hear what Oliver Brown made of the BBC !
This entire organisation is all the more galling because John Logie Baird was involved in the first demonstration of a working tv system ever , had the major input into setting up the BBCS eventual electronic system,was involved in the early pioneering work on colour, and even managed to get his nose in on a very early attempt at High definition TV before he died.
Even radio which is credited to a number of people including Marconi Faraday and others owes much of its research to James Clerk Maxwell a scottish mathematician who correctly defined the existence and properties of radio waves long before they could be produced.
If that does not qualify Scotland and Baird as the true Fathers of Television then we must ALL be tuned in on the wrong channel !
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Number 6,

Germany. 29/01/2008 14:21:09
This is why the SNP wanted control over scottish programming. Typical underhand deceitful stuff from the BBC. We need impartial broadcasting, especially with elections in mind. Can you imagine having to rely on the bbc for truthful coverage of a general election in scotland ?. Not if the last one is anything to go by.
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An English Voice,

29/01/2008 15:02:56
Norwegian chess-sets on show in the British Museum, fewer chefs from India due to tougher UK immigration laws and now too few tv programmes being made by Scottish companies...

I'm beginning to see how the UK is holding Scotland back now! With such a convincing case for independence, how can it NOT happen?!
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An English Voice,

29/01/2008 15:13:13
To be honest, I'm still confused by the SNP constantly moaning about the "tightest budget since devolution" (although it's the largest budget since devolution, double that of just 8 years ago and also more than the SNP expected to have available)....and now they are complaining that corporation taxes are too high!

Do they realise that you can't have high spending AND low taxes?

What are the SNP anyway? 'High public spending' (going by Salmond's regular comments) or 'low taxes' (going by the SNP Enterprise Minister's comments)?

Can any of the SNP regulars (or any of their multiple usernames) help with this?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 29/01/2008 15:34:24
Michael Grade is spot on about "talent exit" it is apparent in many spheres. You only have to listen to the debates at Holyrood where apart from the Blessed Alex, who is admittedly streets ahead of the following pack, the quality is decidedly 3rd rate.
The membership of the Scottish Broadcasting Commission is a reflection of this syndrome; a discredited ex-First Minister, a pantomime dame, and sundry other placemen.
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Number 6,

Germany 29/01/2008 15:43:59
That's right #112 we should shut up and put up with what ever was thrown at us without a peep. Just like in the good old days of Labour rule. Well you and the rest of the unionistas can forget it, can't you see ww will never shut up. We will continue to point out the failures of the union and Labour's part in it.Just because it gives short shrift to various parts of Englandshire, without a peep from them, does not mean
we scots should shut up and toe the line. This patronising attitude left with the Labour garbage that cultivated it. What you have now is a nation slowly getting to it's feet, no longer will we be treated like second class citizens without a fight.
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Highland Mighty,

29/01/2008 15:48:34
114. LOL!

And they'll never take away our FREEDOM!!

(Ex-pats, you've got to love them!)
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Highland Mighty,

29/01/2008 16:02:07
114. Seriously, that was beautiful, Number 6. I've just emailed that around the team.
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 29/01/2008 16:16:34
BBC Scotland should do a political comedy with Holyrood and Westminster involved and have characters like,say,em,er,how about AM2 and other mythical characters from the Scotsman and Herald posts.
Have, say, topics like the Treaty of Union, and maybe sketches like, maybe, AM2 describing to a novice who has no idea on the subject and has the floor, say, in a pub,and would go something like.......
"Well son, Nationalism is a cancer in our society,and they actually strive to make their country independent." Oh, Mrs.AM2, does that mean they want to run things themselves? "Yes son that is it, have you ever heard anything so absurd in your life" "Er, well,no Mrs.AM2,so what is Unionism?
"Well son, this is where people sensibly want their nation to be governed by a foreign country and rightly so, as it makes the country bigger and stronger and the foreign country can get all the revenues from it.
Oh,I see,Mrs.AM2 so it would be better if the UK fully joined up to the EU and become even bigger and they can get the revenues from the UK? "No stupid boy, it only works if England benefits, not the other way about, I can see you still have lots to learn, so I'll see you tomorrow at same time." OK, Mrs.AM2, bye!
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Highland Mighty,

29/01/2008 16:21:40
117. It's so unlike the nationalists to be abusive to people that have a differing point of view, isn't it.

And this pathetic obsession with Dark Ages history and ethnicity?...WHAT HAS THAT GOT TO DO WITH THE 21st CENTURY?
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Highland Mighty,

29/01/2008 16:23:11
118. Right on cue. More insults.
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GP,

29/01/2008 16:36:39
Anything that uses the B word tends to actually be a lie. Example BBC British bla blah at best it is the english broadcasting corporation and at worst the London broaccasting corporation and has been for many years. BA - the Heathrow airway company.
London centric and of course for the resr of the UK a high price to pay for the Thatchers years of centralisation and city broker brown nosing. If the new order of global economy ditches London as it could in a breath this country will be finished.
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Publius,

London 29/01/2008 17:42:19
#112; #117

An interesting digression into history, but not altogether enlightening. There is a large literature on the origins of the inhabitants of the British Isles an patterns of settlement. According to whether you use place names, first names, surnames, genetics (blood groups, hair colour, DNA), burial practices, historical records, languages and dialects you get different answers.
This creates lots of puzzles. A few examples. (1) The majority of place names of Cornwall are Anglo-Saxon but Cornish was the majority language until the 18th century. (2) A lot of Norsemen visited and settled in the Western Isles but most modern inhabitants speak Gaelic. (3) In prehistoric times and the Dark Ages most migrants travelled by boat, along the coasts and up the rivers. There is a strong genetic link between people living around the North Sea, in Scandinavia, northern Germany and the Low Countries. There is also a strong genetic link between people living around the Irish Sea and the western coasts of France and Spain. But the distribution of languates does not reflect this. Why? (4) Some books tell us of Anglo-Saxon conquest of what is now England and SE Scotland in which the Celts were exterminated or driven away. Others tell us that the pre-Saxons stayed put and all that happened was a Roman/Celtic landowing aristocracy was displaced by a Anglo-Saxon one.

The subject may be fascinating, but it does tell us anything about national identities. Whatever our ancestry and whatever languages our ancestor may have spoken we our Scots because we feel ourselves to be Scots and because we diffentiate ourselves from the English. Hence our suspicion of the BBC and other UK institutions. (Incidentally the English do not define themselves against the Scots...but that is another story.
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Andrew Allan,

29/01/2008 18:01:29
‘MORE than £20 million a year is to be spent on a new dedicated Gaelic broadcasting service that will be accessible to just 1.2 per cent of Scotland.
The service, which was approved by the BBC Trust yesterday, will be launched in the summer to cater for the nation's Gaelic-speaking population of around 60,000.’

Around the world the name of the BBC is said to stand for integrity, something the BBC is proud of. Yet it would seem the BBC cares little for what it does in Scotland, and in fact treats the people here as if we are stupid. Above is a quote which surely proves my point, a service which should be available anywhere in Scotland barely covering a section of our country. Even I know to only cover 1.2 per cent of Scotland doesn’t even cover the Gaelic population.
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Richardinho,

29/01/2008 18:03:17
It seems ludicrous and cowardly to attack Gaelic programming rather than the centralised BBC authorities in London who give back to Scotland a tiny amount of the licence fees that it pays out.

People slag off the gaelic tv-but they miss something; it's actually very good! We should firstly campaign to get our fair share out of the television money, and at the same time we should take advantage of the experience and skills of the Gaelic tv programme makers to make English language Scottish programmes.
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Andrew Allan,

29/01/2008 18:07:26
#74.,sweet76.Coventry 29/01/2008 11:10:47
‘When are the brain dead nationalists that post 'the English have taken this and the English have taken that' going to realise that England and London are 2 different places.
The English population that lives outside of the M25 are as hacked off as everyone else when it comes to the amount of resources that London takes.’

Sweet76, you may be right, but when are these people going to show themselves in support of Scots and other peoples around the UK, I think these people turn a blind eye unless the issue involves their own.


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westview,

Avoiding the broken "Squinty" bridge at BBC (Scotl 29/01/2008 18:09:17
Whatever the content of the programme, why does the BBC (Scotland) transmitters broadcast the BBC (Scotland) radio programmes at half strength compared to the "English" broadcasts? I can tune in BBC(England) radio stations no bother but the local ones fade and are sent out with appairently less wattage at the aerials. May be its because our money isn't legal tender, even in Scotland, when we pay our licence fee tax?
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 29/01/2008 18:13:38
102 morris

I believe we have had only one true Scot as Prime Minister but there are MANY dipsomaniacal Scots lurching about the purlieus of Canada to our merriment.

I love your gentle phrase of partaking of "mild refreshment "or two" now and again. Talk about gilding the lily.

Maybe you do restrict your intake but most of the Scots I have met in Scotland and here in Canada DO enjoy their not so "wee drams" immensely.
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Andrew Allan,

29/01/2008 18:20:16
#129.,westview.

The simple answer to that is the BBC cover Scottish broacasting on the cheap.
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Andrew Allan,

29/01/2008 18:25:54
#130., TimW1234.
If you have been brought up with the BBCs excuse for a Scottish service, or Westminster excuse for a Scottish policy, you would enjoy a wee dram in great numbers. ;-)
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 19:37:56
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Its not as simple as that I'm afraid.(It never is of course)!
Medium Wave transmissions are usually picked up using an internal ferrite rod ariel which is directional.Try turning the radio around and see what happens . If you are receiving English broadcasts but not local broadcasts it suggests your radio is facing North and South when it needs to face east and west(probably) to pick up theBBC broadcasts probably originating at Wester Glen near Falkirk.(I think)It depends upon where you are of course .

FM transmissions require an external ariel and the transmission range available is usually of the order of 50 miles only,and a slight movement of position of the ariel can make an unbelievable difference. As a general rule higher and nearer a window is better,but if you are at close proximity to another would be ariel(anything metallic) and get the distance correct the improvement is amazing! A good ariel for FM reception is your TV ariel!Try connecting that to your telescopic ariel and see how the FM band goes! You should pick up stations from all over Central Scotland.
Its not designed for this waveband of course, but its on the roof and will invariably be better than a telescopic ariel which needs to be fully extended to be of much use,and moving the radio is just as likely to work as anything.
The answer is experiment !
If you are in a built up area especially tenement stairs then its pot luck I'm afraid. If you have cable tv then the box where your cable comes in has two sockets , one in use and one which probably has an audio feed of radio and television sound(but Telewest rarely connect this or tell you about it )and you could access that using F type connectors(or stick a wire into the hole which works just as well)and connect to your telescopic ariel. I hope this helps somewhat.
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Conan the Librarian™,

29/01/2008 20:46:50
You have a rather...strange way of counting money Aunty.
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Strathturret,

montrose 29/01/2008 20:51:29
To change tack slightly, does anyone thing we should stop paying our TV licences in Scotland?

Personally I'm hacked off by the football situation. England games are on BBC because BBC has outbid Rupert Nasty. BBC has not bothered with Scotland so we have to make do Ch 5 or Sky, which I refuse to pay for. But we all pay the same license fee. And BBC only invests 3% in Scotland for 9% share. We are being short changed here ladies and gents.
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Enigma,

29/01/2008 20:56:04
Morris thanks for your exhaustive list of BBC local radio bstations in England. You will of course note that there is no `BBC England`. There are those who consider the BBC is part of the Government`s campaign to carve England up into `regions`. Others suspect that what you call the EBC, is little more than a job opportunity for Scots, Welsh and Irish presenters and journalists. Surely that`s just sounds paranoid though, wouldn`t want that sort of thing on this site would we now?
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Conan the Librarian™,

29/01/2008 21:09:10
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You have a point.In these internet days, who needs a TV?
And as much as I like Jonathon Woss, is he really worth that much?
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Conan the Librarian™,

29/01/2008 21:10:13
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Never stopped you before;-)
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Miss Jean Brodie,

29/01/2008 21:22:39
More Shenanigans from the EBC ! I blame it on the World Cup 1966 the most mentioned off all Englands Broadcasting Endevours !
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 21:23:01
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The point being of course that a figure of 9% is what we pay into the BBC , and that would and should give us a share of expenditure in line with this .
Your figure is higher than I expected it to be.I am sure BBCs total licence fee income is around 3.1 billion. There is presumably other income (e.g from sale of programs etc to other broadcasters seems like a probable source).

If we accept that a minimum income of 3.1 billion exists then Scotland contributes approx 275,000,000 of this. We are entitled to at least this expenditure,and anyone who thinks otherwise is at best disingenuous.
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Miss Jean Brodie,

29/01/2008 21:23:16
Was the 1966 World cup no’ a Scottish Production ?
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 21:35:43
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We are being short changed for sure.We are not even getting the 3% they claimed that we were!
I doubt that we could seriously pursue a campaign of non payment(although the temptation certainly exists), but we could demand that all revenue raised here in Scotland is retained here in Scotland (and I do not mean Glasgow to the exclusion of other regions).Inverness Aberdeen Dundee and Edinburgh should all benefitto some degree from this.Theres no point in decentralising from London, only to allow Auntie to do it again in Glasgow !
Those who suggest that we are in any way at fault for demanding equality as in pro rata expenditure just show their stupidity of course.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 21:36:34
142 Must have been. Its been mentioned on BBC Scotland ever since then !
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mesmiths,

fife 29/01/2008 22:05:02
A national disgrace that we all know about and that is at last being deated properly. And don't get stuck on the BBC. How many channels are available these days? And yet not a single one is Scottish. Yet some would like us satisfied with a gaelic channel and a sh#tty march of the glen remake. Unionists- take a long hard look at yourselfs.
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 22:11:40
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"all indigenous folk here are Britons"?

The "Britons"in Scotland as you describe them settled primarily in Strathclyde and originate from Wales and Cornwall .The Celtic culture and language was due to the Scoti who traded with Dal Riata (Dalriada) and were from Northern Ireland,and prior to that Ireland of course.
It was always believed that the Celts originated in Central Europe, but more recently their origin would appear to arguably be Ice Age survivors who lived around the Basque country. My history is quite up to date !

Whilst I accept that most modern day Scots are genetically more likely to be of Briton (Welsh)origin than Celtic (Irish) although there certainly was a large Irish injection more recently,we cannot discount Roman Pict and Viking input and to suggest therefore that we can accurately classify anybody at all,never mind say what you did, is just complete nonsense and your remark that we should learn history is laughable!

You dont even begin to know history and it shows with bells and whistles on !
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InThe Know,

Glasgow 29/01/2008 23:05:40
#138 Conon the Librarian

"And as much as I like Jonathon Woss, is he really worth that much?"

I just wonder what percentage of his obscene salary comes from the BBC Scotland budget, which funds the London produced Film 2008? Perhaps a freedom of information request from the Scottish Government to the BBC is in order?
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morris,

edinburgh 29/01/2008 23:51:38
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Scotland was first considered recognisably so as ALBA the kingdom which was created when the Picts and Gaelic speaking Dalriada (Dal Riata)
celts united around 843 when Kenneth McAlpin became the king of both nations,(although I have heard it suggested that one of his successors a few years later Kenneth III was in fact the first king of a UNited Scotland,the jury is still out as I understand this)The lands further east were gradually added some time after in stages.This is generally accepted as the Scotland we know of today in its earliest recognisable form ,since it encompasses most of modern Scotland.Few nations which survive today can identify their existence this early.England cannot!
Denmark and Luxembourg have been around for longer than we have,but we are amongst the oldest of Europes nations. The Vikings were only a part of our history as were the Romans. YOur knowledge of history is nowehere near good enough to tell others to learn some!
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OscarMacApfel,

Dumfries 30/01/2008 00:03:23
#148

Err Mr or Ms In the Know, you'll be aware that Beeb Scotland won the contract for Film 1972-onwards when Mike Bolland returned to Glasgow as Head of Entertainment or whatever confabulated title was invented. He staffed the programme with several young Scottish or Scottish based writers, directors and producers. Alan Campbell, Dave Council, Susan Kemp and latterly Hans Petch, now series producer.

Ross has gone from being a near recluse to Mr Omnipresent, the Beeb pays him so much that he should really open his home to the public.

Saying that his contract is with Beeb London, rather than Beeb Scotland, which covers him for his chat show, Radio 2, Film, Comic Aid, The Oscars, Hollywood Greats, etceteras and any other old tat they can wheel him onto.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 00:16:29
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The most recent historical evidence suggests that prior to travelling to central europe the celtic tribes can now be traced back to Spain.Like all early history it is as accurate as we can be, and constantly being challenged.If you had any standard of history you would not need to be told that!

see:http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/origins_of_the_british.html

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Kipling,

In the DoomRay library 30/01/2008 00:21:12
Whilst I cannot comment on questions of identity, I can say that my school friends and I, be they Irish, Welsh, English or Scottish, did enjoy Dr Finlay's Casebook. And I don't recall it being seen as a parochial/provincial television programme. As I've made mention elsewhere in these columns, I don't watch tv, but I haven't heard of any comparable programme involving the Scottish being such a popular part of tv-watchers lives. (It was apparently rejuvenated by ITV scotland in the 1990s with a different cast.)

To quote: "The BBC took great pains to maintain period detail and there was a surprisingly large amount of location footage, clearly shot in rural Scotland." it was followed by a radio version.

It would be interesting to have a political drama with nationalism vs. unionist elements. From the sounds of what the posters are saying above, that kind of screen theatre seems a long way off.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 00:22:46
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Being from that area I am only too well aware of the Lothians history and the Goddodin and Northumbria. I stated that the lands further east were added later gradually and its there clear as day .
Can you read?
Historians have always considered the unity of the Dalriada Scoti and the Picts to be the foundation of modern Scotland and if you did not know that then you are not qualified to speak on Scotland.
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morris,

edinburgh 30/01/2008 00:24:44
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"and constantly being challenged" READ IT YOU IDIOT!
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Kipling,

30/01/2008 00:26:48
And who would play Alex and Wendy of the double chins.
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Kipling,

30/01/2008 00:28:08
Sorry, who would play Alex, Wendy AND the double chins
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The Pict.,

Canada 31/01/2008 03:10:47
# 169 Vincent. Do you seriously think a Scottish World Service would be at all useful to anyone.? YES YES YES.
All the 'news' comes from London ENGLAND. I can find all about the ENGLISH football, what beckham is not doing and the hogmanay celebrations in LONDON. Get it?
Like almost 100% of Scots I don't give a hoot about that. I want to know about things Scottish--like what's the BIG MAC doing? Why is he not a starter? I want to see and hear about EDINBURGH'S hogmanay and the FESTIVAL.

Alex Salmond is correct. Scotalnd must control IT'S own media.

Slante'

 

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