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Published Date: 01 December 2006
A SWEEPING review of UK transport policy today warned that toll charges on trunk roads and in cities were "inevitable" and put a high-speed rail link from Scotland to London on hold.
The report by former British Airways chief Sir Rod Eddington said that charging motorists to drive could generate £28 billion for public transport and tackle global warming.

He also said that while the fast rail link between London and Edinburgh
and Glasgow was an option worth considering, he did not regard it as a top priority.

And he said airport expansion should focus on major business hubs and international gateways, like Heathrow. The implications for Edinburgh Airport will be clarified in a progress report on the government's Transport White Paper, due to be published before Christmas.

The 2003 paper identified Edinburgh as the international hub for Scotland and backed a second runway at Turnhouse.

There was a mixed reaction to the report in Edinburgh today, although the decision not to make the high-speed rail link a priority was described as a "missed opportunity".

Sir Rod concludes that the potential benefits of charging motorists for using roads will outweigh the costs of the scheme and the opposition it will generate. But he said any money raised must help bus and rail services.

The report says: "Given the scale of the congestion challenge, I believe there is no attractive alternative to road pricing. Without a widespread scheme by 2015, the UK will require very significant investment in transport infrastructure."

Edinburgh rejected congestion charging in last year's referendum, forcing the city to take it off the agenda for a decade.

But current Transport Secretary Douglas Alexander is pressing ahead with preparatory work for trial road pricing in eight English areas, including Tyneside, the West Midlands and Cambridge.

On the campaign for a new rail link, he said it should be an option on the table but that upgrading existing services and tracks must take priority. Sir Rod also supported an expansion of the UK cycle network.

Council leader Ewan Aitken said today: "I can understand Sir Rod Eddington's stance [on road tolls], as environmental considerations and increasing volumes of traffic are major concerns for the future which will require robust measures to address.

"Nationally, perhaps a charging scheme will be necessary eventually. However, Edinburgh Council has no plans to introduce any form of congestion charging. The people have spoken on this issue within the city. I am much more concerned that Sir Rod does not consider high-speed rail links a higher priority."

John Barrett, Liberal Democrat MP for Edinburgh West, said: "I am extremely disappointed that Sir Rod has come down against out a high-speed rail link between Scotland and London. This is a real missed opportunity to get to grips with our over-crowded transport system, cut emissions and provide people with a fast, environmentally friendly alternative to domestic flights."

And John McGoldrick, co-ordinator for The National Alliance Against Tolls, said: "Road pricing would be the greatest folly that Britain's politicians have ever inflicted upon the people.

"Drivers do not want tolls in any form. That was clearly demonstrated in the referendum in Edinburgh last year."

Bob Crow, general secretary of the RMT union, said: "If the policy shift suggested by Eddington is to become a reality, it should usher in a golden age for public transport. However, road-pricing will not solve the problem on its own.

"We need a commitment to a new high-speed north-south railway, but we also need massive investment to integrate an upgraded railway network with low-emission buses and an expanding tram system."

A spokeswoman for the Scottish Executive said: "We will look at what affects Scotland in the Eddington report with interest."



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1

bill, england,

01/12/2006 14:05:43

More tax, as if the motorists aren't paying plenty already! The 83% tax element of fuel means that the average car driver is paying something like 8p a mile now.

This is on top of something like £600 a year in road tax and irrecoverable VAT, not to mention parking costs.
The average government take per car must be around £3000 a year, which should be plenty to pay for the roads and subsidise public transport as well.

2

g.m.tarkin,

Edinbvgh No-parking Zone 01/12/2006 14:15:17

Isn't it strange how the politicians who make these decisions on our behalf wouldn't know public transport if it fell on them, being loathe to part with their taxpayer-funded chauffered limos. A pox on them all.

3

William Schumm,

Virginia, U.S.A. 01/12/2006 14:16:24

So Rod claims that ">>>charging motorists to drive could generate £28 billion for public transport and tackle global warming at the same time. " would be marvelous for the lowly worker. Just think about that: He wants to take 28 billions (and that's just for starters) out of YOUR pocket and pour it into trains that nobody wants to ride on.

Most people are under the impression that public roads are public. But, nooooo. Rod wants them reserved for the well-to-do who can afford the rent on them. British citizens are already taxed beyond description for all governmental antics, including maintaining the PUBLIC roads. Where is this money going?

As for this nonsense about the toll money going to "tackle global warming," give me a break, Rod. Even those few people who really believe that there is a man-made global warming can't come up with any valid example of how shrinking your wallet will achieve anything.

Whenever rich people put in a claim on the workingman's paycheck, watch out.

4

Aileen,

01/12/2006 14:36:03

If people are to be enticed out of their cars then public transport has to be improved before taxing people. And why not have cars fitted with catalytic converters to reduce smog? Why not raise money in other ways, those people who like the idea of a personalised plate, then make them real and not something like 'H8BS', make it 'HIBS' and charge people for it and charge the person extra money for having it every year as part of the their road tax. If the person does not want a personalised plate, then they don't have one and don't pay for one. They do this in other countries. The article also mentions that Eddington does not believe that an improved train service between Edinburgh and London is top priority. If he believes this then how does he expect people to get out of their cars and use trains. Better traffic management is also required just don't put Edinburgh Council in charge when they have their traffic lights sit at green for 8 - 30 seconds when the lights sit at red for up to a minute and a half.

5

bikerider1,

01/12/2006 14:41:53

is anybody surprised at the answers he came up with.
Alistair " rod i need you to do a little favour for me"
Rod " oh yeh what would you like done?"
Alistair " need a little review, would like it to come up with these answers."
Rod " as good as done, can i take a year or so to do it, make it look like i was working at it."
Aliatair " yeh sure, oh and dont worry about the high speed rail link to scotland, the snp are going to win, so we wont be giving that lot anything"
Rod "thats great payment in the usual brown envelope"

6

abracadabra,

01/12/2006 14:52:40

Thats why we're in Iraq and Afghanistan - to show these poor souls British democracy and how corruption should be done under the guise of a review

7

Repton,

edinburgh 01/12/2006 15:10:34

It`s anout time we ,the public stood up to these numpties who want to tax motorists out of existance under the pretence of being green.I say ballocks.Only last week I caught Fiona Bruce saying that the fires raging in Borneo omitt 20 times more greenhouse gasses in a week than we do in a year.We want to get wise to these politicions who want to pander to the greenies under pretence of fleecing us for more money.The party who stands up against all this rubbish would get plenty votes.

8

Androsthenes,

Edinburgh 01/12/2006 15:49:24

So the solution to an inadequate road system is to tax it out of use?
How original! I wonder how many microseconds it took to reach that solution.
Why not entitle the report "A RETURN TO THE 1930's'
so that it's clearer that the real purpose is to tax poor people off the roads and leave them clear for the deserving rich.

9

mv,

01/12/2006 15:59:07

Two concerns:

1.This is cleary another indirect tax for the UK, any trust that any money raised will actually go back to the reasons given has gone. We already pay excessive tax to drive (fuel duty & road tax plus parking permits, road tolls etc...).

2.Its another big brother way to track each car on the road, they are already trying to introduce ID cards under a false label (defeating crime). Now they can track each person and also check if you have been speeding (more revenue collection).

This Labour Government is very dangerous....

10

don22,

01/12/2006 16:16:27

Heard Begg that stalwart sycophant of Chancellor Brown on radio early today falling over himself to support Eddington. Any time now our Council will use all this to start making rumbling noises about the latest pronouncements justifying their congestion charges attempts for Edin. Understand our big town council at Holyrood are about to give their suppport to all this.(and of course retain their taxi/train/chauffeur cars at our expense,all being justified as necessary for security reasons. Or they may be carrying some heavy council minutes poor souls

11

MS,

01/12/2006 16:31:55

It's only inevitable if you actually vote for the poltroons who support it. If we all make it clear where the votes lie and really go for it you won't be able to see for the dust of them all backtracking.

But no, you'll lie down and let them run all over you - as usual, won't you ?

12

James.D,

01/12/2006 16:58:45

ridiculous, it was taxpayers money that built the roads in the first place, motorists pay a whacking huge amount of money into the governments coffers every day, time these charlatans were brought to book over their spendthrift ays, put the tax money into the areas that they take it from.
I know its off track, but simple maths, cigarettes, 4 pound something a packet, 3 pound tax, 20 million smokers at 3 pounds a day each, 60 million a day, 420 million a week, x 52 etc etc, cars generate more, alcohol generates a tidy sum,, the roads should be goldplated and the hospitals should be first rate, maybe we should vote for people with common sense, and maybe a sense of duty.

13

Del,

Edinburgh 01/12/2006 17:18:21

I thought we were already paying by the mile - it's called petrol excise duty.

14

Joey Pica,

Bonnie Lancashire. 01/12/2006 18:25:07

Can you imagine the poor pensioner having a ten mile trip to hospital for a 9am apointment at £1.30 a mile, the £3 to park the car, then wondering if it was worth going home at the cost of a further £13 or feeding the meter till it only costs £6 to go home.

15

Anti-taxi Anti-tram,

Somewhere else in Edinburgh 01/12/2006 18:42:57

I had the chance of listening to that poor excuse of a transport civil engineer Begg on Radio 2 speaking with a more qualified Civil Engineer this after noon and I've got to say... The man is a fool! He just does not get the fact that people need the freedom of movement. Restricting that movement whether it is by price (tolls/ taxi fares etc) or fixed rail (trams) is going to see any Government who puts these in place a dead cert for replacement at the first round so why bother opening that trap. PS just caught him on Reporting Scotland. The man has his head in cloud cookoo land!!

16

Alexander,

Edinburgh 01/12/2006 19:29:34

We have had the "Green Nutters" and a few others telling us for years that we don't need new or even improved roads. Despite rising living standards, with more people aspiring to car ownership "they" knew better and new roads would not be needed. That is the same "nutters" who told us in 1974 that the world would run out of oil in 20 years.
The government was happy to go along, failing to spend on the road system and taxing motorists to the hilt. Now we have the latest thinking, just tax the pensioners and working class off the roads; of course, they should never have been allowed off the buses in the first place.

17

JayJay,

Glasgow 01/12/2006 20:19:19

Did Rod mention that one of the first things he would like to do with the £28bn was to expand Heathrow? Oh yeah, and he's ex British Airways who just happen to make masses of dosh out of Heathrow. Oh and he's against improving rail links into Scotland.
Aside from the M74 into England, how many miles of 3 lane motorway do we actually enjoy in Scotland. We have the disgrace of the M8, the A9, the A96, anything up the west coast, a series of bumps continually edging out what's left of the flat B roads. So what the chookie is this pillock suggesting? Tax them some more.
The one small flaw in their cunning plan is that they sold public transport off to First Group already. So unless the £28bn raised is going to boost their subsidy (and doubtless get Sir Rod on their board) are we really going to see buses running in unprofitable areas? Are we going to see the price of the peak train from Edinburgh to Glasgow coming down?
My contempt for politicians knows no bounds. Do their ideas begin and end with "tax them more"?

18

PeterJ,

Shropshire 01/12/2006 20:53:38

Please sign my online petition against the proposal to introduce road pricing.

This government proposal will force you to buy a tracking device for your car – costing up to £200 and will record your every movement. It will know where you have been, where you are and how fast you are going. It will transmit all this information to a central office where they will use it to send you a monthly bill – and most likely a monthly summons for speeding.

In a recent trial, a Mum who used the car to take the kids to schools was billed £89 (in one month) as she used the car at peak times.

The minimum charge was £28 for a rural driver who hardly used the car.

If you are a company car driver, the bill with all your travel details will go to your company, your every move will be reported.

If we don’t stop this now – all drivers will be paying far more than today and the government will know your every move.

The petition is already doing very well – over 8000 people have signed. Please make sure the government cannot ignore this.

Please sign and pass this on to everyone in your address book.

Thanks

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/

19

Chris W,

Argyll 01/12/2006 21:26:10

It is quite appalling that in a supposedly democratic society, both the government and the opposition seem intent on introducing a system to extort money from people twice over (fuel tax and road charging), and to spy on them where ever they go.
We should be glad that such technology was not available in the past to such countries as Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany, for both Stalin and Hitler would have relished it.
We should all be very worried about the road down which Mr Blair and his green chums in the Tories and Lib Dems are taking this country. Scotland's voters should send them all packing.

20

Scott_B,

01/12/2006 22:01:16

No, no, no, and once again, no.

We have a tax on road usage already, it's called fuel tax - the farther your drive, the more you pay. This is just another means for further surveillance by road tracking, and to raise yet more money.

If we need to charge more for road usage then first of all provide an alternative (we will still need to get to work somehow to pay for this!), and then raise fuel duty. It does the same thing. If we want to charge more at peak time (when we all need to go to work) then peak time needs to be changed - just charging more so only the well off can afford it is an abhorrent idea - we've all paid for the roads already.

21

JG,

Fife 01/12/2006 22:26:31

It is truly just another way of extorting money from the already hammered motorist. If you have to drive to work in the morning and public services are either non-existant, crap or extortionate, what will you have to do? We (as taxpayers) have paid yet another consultant to trot out the same old rhetoric that has been trotted out so often before so that when they implement these abominable taxes politicians can justify themselves by saying there have been innumerable enquiries into it.

22

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 01/12/2006 23:16:58

Most of the comments here seem to be quick to rubbish the report, but it is a fact that we do not have an efficient transport system in this country, and I do not see any alternative proposals to remedy this situation. As for the quacks suggesting this is "big brother", do you seriously believe that? And sure, there are aliens waiting to come and take us all off to Mars. Same goes for people who think building roads works in the long term - that idea was comprehensively dismissed years ago - please tell me why it is now any different. As for "paying more", this is not really about paying more at all, but changing the way that road usage is paid for to attempt to change people's habits - this is working in London and would work elsewhere.

23

Jason,

Japan 01/12/2006 23:31:19

Another item for your "Reasons to Emigrate" list. Worthy of a place in the Top Ten I venture to suggest.

24

David n' Goliath,

Edinburgh 01/12/2006 23:54:27

Yet another transport report from a government that has consistently failed to come up with a decent transport policy that can join the dots. They can add it to their 2003 white paper on aviation which isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

This report concluded that having already connected the Greater London City State to Europe by high speed rail (Central London to Central Paris in 2 1/4 hours) that the rest of the UK and Scotland can continue to travel in the slow lane on clapped out Victorian infrastructure or be forced into the clutches of the aviation industry. It is a national disgrace that the train journey from London to Paris takes half the time of the equivalent distance to Edinburgh or Glasgow.

An Anglo-Scottish TGV service would remove at least 200 return short-haul air trips a day, be five times more fuel efficient and produce one tenth of the high altitude pollution of the current set up. And as for Eddington’s nightmare of more flying and burying the extra pollution within the sham paper chase of the carbon trading scheme…..

A real TGV (not some half baked compromise) would reduce city centre to centre journey times by up to two hours and reduce congestion by removing the need for so many city to airport transfers at either end. This would free up existing runway capacity at Edinburgh and Heathrow for international flights and reduce congestion and pollution around airports.

A high speed line would also relieve the existing mainlines of a substantial amount of traffic and free up capacity for better regional services and the transfer of more container freight to the railways. Transporting bulk and container freight by rail is five times more fuel efficient than by road and removing freight off the roads will also help ease road congestion.

Then there's the future energy supply. Whether you believe or not in forecast of declining global oil supplies after the production peak in 2010, there is no dispute that the Nor

25

mv,

01/12/2006 23:58:56

#23, another one in cloud cuckoo land, this is just another TAX to add the growing burden, its NOT about reducing congestion or improving the environment, the government have been raking in road tax & petrol duty for years but have you seen any improvement in transport, NO...

The people of Edinburgh voted in huge numbers against road tolls a year ago and the council reacted by turning the centre of Edinburgh into a maze to annoy everybody and waste taxpayers money...

If you think London is such a great place with its additional tax scheme please go and live there! The tubes, buses and trains are not a pleasant place to be during rush hour...

26

Michael Laing,

Edinburgh 02/12/2006 00:30:08

This report was commissioned by the treasury, so it's hardly surprising that it concentrates on revenue-raising rather than spending.

With regard to road-tolls, it appalls me that motorists seem to think they should have the right to clog up ever more roads with ever more of their cars, regardless of the havoc they cause to non-car-users and the environment. I'm afraid they're going to have to face the fact that oil IS going to run out sooner or later, and that the carbon-dioxide their cars belch out IS rapidly destroying the planet. The policy of predict-and-provide for ever-increasing road traffic is simply unsustainable and needs to be consigned to the dustbin of history NOW, otherwise the poor (and not only them) will have much bigger problems to deal with - such as their houses being submerged by rising sea-levels or having their roofs ripped off by hurricanes - than merely being unable to afford to run a car!

Transport policy should be based on what benefits the environment and the population as a whole, not just what benefits motorists!

27

mv,

02/12/2006 01:04:19

#27, As far as I am aware the "right" to use a car is still not illegal no matter how much it appalls you, as is the right to purchase a car and fill it up with all that evil oil stuff! The car users contribute a huge amount of taxes to this country for little return, maybe that cycle lane you go down everyday might have been paid for by the evil motorist!

Remember cars do not have to equate to high emission transport, if fuel duty & road taxes were diverted into research for zero emission transport then this would be an advance but the oil lobby is too strong and the government is not interested as taxes get directed to education, health care or defence.

Economic development relies on decent transport links which at the moment is mainly operated by carbon buring vehicles, so it might not go down well with the green lobby but we cannot regess back to the bicycle or horse just yet or we might as well all return to caves. If the will was there we might have zero emission transport but as of yet still not there...but still need roads (and bridges to move around).

28

The Ghost of Sir William Arrol,

Edinburgh 02/12/2006 01:45:14

For all you GNER passengers surfing the web onboard our outdated 1970's rail network. Here's some clips of what it's like to travel on a modern railway. It will help you pass the time on your slow UK journey.

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-45482448858675...


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-10979196892473...


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-79327919388001...

Why do our government want to keep us stuck in the past? Why not invest in the UK's infrastructure for a change - rather than pouring billions into foreign wars - or nuclear weapons that are a waste of £80 billion.

The fuel efficient way of travel is high-speed rail. Two and a half hours from Waverley to St Pancras would be quicker than flying and a much nicer way to travel. These trains have real style and class!

29

Steve F.,

Worcs. 02/12/2006 09:50:11

They keep on bringing this back in an attempt to brainwash people this will actually work. It will not help the environment one iota, as even the Government's own findings tell them that transport pollution - in cars at any rate, has fallen dramatically and is continuing to fall.
Further, at the charge levels that were mentioned previously, anyone who has to travel from one town or city to another (where public transport fails badly), you can look forward to a tax bill of around £10,000!
Public transport will never cope; millions will be unable to get to work. That marks the beginning of the collapse of society. If you think some of the past riots we have seen in this country were bad, wait until this starts to bankrupt a massive sector of the population.
People will refuse to have tracking devices fitted, or will rip them out. There will be civil disobedience on a massive scale, because the formally law-abiding will have to do whatever it takes to keep their wage coming in.
Political parties have lost the plot on the green issue, they never have to face the consequences of their own actions and as a result, have no idea of what life is like outside their political enclaves. This policy will show them the harsh reality of ignoring the electorate.
I've signed the petition mentioned earlier (19), I encourage others to do the same.

30

Andrew Service,

Port Glasgow 02/12/2006 16:46:12

I remember well during the fuel protests Tony B'liar stating that fuel duty is used to fund the NHS yet most sandalistas still admit it is a "green" tax to save the planet. What we need is a policy to save US from the politicians.

Almost every other country in the EU and beyond has more road miles per populus than in this God foresaken dump (even third-world countries, and they pay less for it.

Think about the logic of the congestion charging proposal:

If congestion charging works (and eliminates congestion) then where is the money going to come from when there is no CON-gestion because the EXTRA money raised (Oh sorry thought it was going to be revenue neutral!) will come from charging at congestion peak times, which will be eliminated we are told. So from their own admission their scheme will not reduce congestion because they need that very congestion to raise extra funds for their pet projects, thus we are going to charged another pretty penny to sit in the same jams.

I really think people are getting mighty sick of this government's lies and their braindead proposals cloaked in a mystical green agenda in pursuit of more taxes.

Write to your MP and let him know your concerns (just before voting time)

Regards

Andrew


 

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