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Published Date: 23 November 2007
ENCOURAGED by the lull in the bloodletting in their homeland, Iraqis are beginning to trickle home, desperate to escape the financial hardships that exile has imposed.
"There is nothing sweeter than being in Iraq. I will not leave again," said Saadiya Tawfik, a 70-year-old grandmother, whose family struggled to make ends meet after fleeing to neighbouring Syria with more than a million other Iraqis.

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al aid agencies say the number of people displaced in Iraq still exceeds the number of returnees. While most are still too fearful to return Abdul Samad Sultan, the displacement and migration minister, said about 1,600 people were coming home every day.

The government has been keen to highlight the number of families coming back to show that a nine-month-old US-Iraqi military campaign to quell sectarian violence is working.

However, anecdotal evidence suggests there is a push-pull factor at work. Iraqis are certainly coming home because of improved security, but equally they are being pushed out of the countries that have taken them in. Unable to find jobs, many Iraqis, even those considered well-off, have become impoverished in exile.

Iraq is now at a crossroads after savage violence between majority Shiites and Sunni Arabs killed tens of thousands, displaced more than a million people and sent millions more fleeing abroad in an exodus of Biblical proportions.

Many of the two million Iraqi refugees abroad, who are mainly in Syria and Jordan, are waiting to make sure that the downturn in violence is not simply a lull but a "long-term phenomenon", said the International Organisation for Migration (IOM).

"All Iraqis are convinced that the withdrawal of the US army will spark a civil war," said Alaa al-Tememi, 47, a Shiite engineer in the ministry of industry who returned home to Baghdad after fleeing to Iraq's more stable Kurdish north.

Mr Tememi was cutting the grass in his garden in Ghazaliya, a mainly Sunni district in west Baghdad that he left in July after gunmen killed his brother. "The killing frightened my family and we decided to go north to Arbil. I couldn't speak any Kurdish, which is important to work there. We suffered a lot until I found a job with a foreign company. We found security but lost our comfort," he said.

He is not easily persuaded the violence is over. He believes the drop in bloodshed is only being sustained by a massive security presence in Baghdad that cannot last forever.

Some are making the most of the relative peace. Rifaat al- Haliji, 32, is a bandleader who plays at weddings. After Ramadan ended last month, he said that business in the capital started to increase. "We were stuck out of work for seven months," he said. Now, "we do five weddings a week".

The revival, however, has been far from complete. Mr Haliji said there were still many neighbourhoods where he could not go. "Dora, Saydia, Ghaziliya, Jihad, Shula" — he ticked them off one by one. Then, fearing that someone from the Mahdi Army might be listening, he leaned in and whispered: "Sadr City, too."

Some other signs of normality are emerging. Dining is not for the squeamish in a city inured to death, especially after sectarian slaughter that saw bodies floating past the rear window of the al-Faris fish restaurant, on the eastern bank of the Tigris River.

Despite the violence, Hashem Jassem's restaurant never closed. But business was bad, and on many days it sat empty except for fish. Nervous patrons rushed in, grabbed their dinner and disappeared quickly, eager to be home before nightfall. Now things are a little better. Customers come at 4pm and leave at 11pm.

Mr Jassem remains generally upbeat, about safety at least. "Security is a little better than before," he said. "Probably things will get better, God willing."

The minister, Mr Sultan, said the government is offering financial help to returning families. About 4,000 families have each received 1 million dinars (about £400), while 4,650 more are still waiting for the payments to be processed.

"The prime minister has ordered us to pay the costs of trips for families who want to return home ," he said. "We have talked with the embassies and Iraqi airlines to register the names of people who want to return."

Falih Mohammed, 40, a Sunni Arab university professor, has returned home to Shaab, a mainly Shiite district in northern Baghdad after fleeing a year ago to live in Egypt, which has taken in up to 70,000 Iraqis.

He was prompted to leave Iraq by the kidnapping of his brother and his son at a fake checkpoint. Although the pair were later released, the incident persuaded him it was time to move.

"We suffered in Egypt, having to move house all the time. I decided to return home after a friend told me the university was going to dismiss me because I had exceeded my one-year holiday time," Mr Mohammed said.

"I was not convinced about staying in Baghdad, but after returning to my district, I found many things had changed, like more security forces. Now I remember the moments of homelessness outside Iraq. Travelling is death's brother."

While Mr Mohammed and Mr Tememi have gone back to neighbourhoods where their sect is not in a majority, that is unusual. According to the IOM most are returning to homogenised areas.

IN SEARCH OF A BETTER LIFE

AT LEAST two million Iraqis have fled the country since the US-led invasion of 2003.

Most of these went to neighbouring states, with Syria and Jordan taking the overwhelming bulk - and experiencing consequent strains on their societies.

Other countries in the region, such as Egypt, Lebanon, Yemen and Turkey have also accepted Iraqis.

In Europe, only Sweden has accepted sizeable numbers of Iraqi refugees, allowing in 9,000 during 2006, a figure that will be topped this year.

Of the 310 Iraqis who sought asylum in the UK in the second quarter of 2007, only 30 were allowed to stay on their first application and a further 25 were given leave to remain. The rest were refused.



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  • Last Updated: 23 November 2007 12:12 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iraq
 
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 03:47:25

a few weeks ago there was an article about how Syria passed a law against the Iraqi immigrants, making it illegal for them to stay. they did this at request of US government.

here are some videos of a fascinating documentary series about how war is reported by the media in the US.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZWTXvkIiA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpdaQRGSv0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOoi88_ihIY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wqmlRGNCC8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DS3gNUDD_U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8QSRpnrWIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhiAtjVwSBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhiAtjVwSBA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxjMw5mtFx0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE54xmo37Qk

Did you all hear about the new 'thought' crime police in the US. read this article.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.thou...

and here's an article from Asia Times about an aspect of the US war-making machine that you will not read about in an American paper - maybe because it's a thought crime, I don't know.

Report Unsuitable

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Dáithí,

San Jose 23/11/2007 03:52:34

> "All Iraqis are convinced that the withdrawal of the US army will spark a civil war"

That's entirely up to the Iraqi people, it is within their power to prevent it.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 23/11/2007 03:57:52

#2 - Wally

> "Did you all hear about the new 'thought' crime police in the US?"

Are these they guys that you believe are flying around in 'black helicopters', Wally? ;)

segue to 'the Theme from the Twilight Zone'...

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Dáithí,

San Jose 23/11/2007 06:40:17

#4 - Nancy 'Stretch' Pelosi (GREAT name, BTW!)

Wally really believes it. He's an extremist of the far right, which you'll find is no different from an extremist of the far left.

'YouTube' doesn't really count as websites anyway, since you or I, or anyone else with a camera, can stage a video and present it as truth, complete with link.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the state of the world right now - us moderates are caught between the nutballs of the far left and the nutballs of the far right.

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Nuke EmAll,

23/11/2007 06:53:08

The death rate is still rising in Iraq and it's interesting to note that Basra became quieter when the uk troops left the area.

As for Wally: He supplies many thought provoking comments and links. How you interpret them is up to you but I would suggest that to simply dismiss them without thought as "looney tunes" shows a lack of analytical power. The media presentation of the wars is an interesting subject in that it shows how the public's opinion can be manipulated. While YouTube is a great resourse for the common man, more academic studies of what Wally is saying can be found at the Glasgow Media Group

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St. Brendan,

At the Holy Water dispenser. 23/11/2007 08:29:23

They'll return to discover that their neighbours are the same circumcised males, who cannot fill the expectancies of their women.

Frustration will be constant with or without US/UK troops.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 12:08:16

I have labeled Datey of San Jose the 'anti-American' American because he apparently lives in America but is anti-American. I came to this conclusion after he said that it was proper that Americans die in wars like these and be taxed into the ground to support them. He specifically said that he was willing to surrender the retirement funds of the Americans in order to support wars that he loves. we should all see that as being a very anti-American attitude.

It's not just that datey has systematically displayed an ignorance of our nation and opposed our traditional ideas. Datey further defines himself today in this anti-American mode when he ridicules the You-Tube videos saying that 'anyone' can put up videos to You-Tube and thus it is illegitimate. Datey being an anti-American American may not realize it but our nation's ethos historically respects the views and opinions & thoughts of the common people, as well as the strong people and the weak people. It is very American to respect an institution like You-Tube and un-American to ridicule it.

Today we are burdened by those who believe that news coming from the 6 corporations that own our mass media is legitimate, but that all other news is illegitimate. They had enough money to buy up the mass media, this does not make them truth-tellers. The You-Tube videos I put up must have been originally made by Europeans, possibly Dutch, I don't know the language.

Also, datey says that I am a right-winger. Yet I've told him that I reject the left-right paradigm. Datey has no substance to offer in the conversation other than a lust for war, a persistent anti-Americanism and his special bigotries. Thus, he must make up stories about his opponents who provide substance.

The Baltimore Sun is the largest newspaper of baltimore, Maryland which is a major city in the US. It speaks of thought-crime legislation actually passed by the US House recently. In the 1770's there was a Scotish man

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 12:57:51

What got me on this kick is the surreal tone of the article above. I think there's about 2 million Iraqis total who fled the country. The nations they went to are starting to reject them & it is very difficult for them to live as refugees, especially as there are so many of them. This is more likely why some are coming back.

True, the level of violence in Iraq seems to be coming down, but this year (2007) has been the most deadly yet for US soldiers. and let's not forget over 1 million Iraqis have died violently since the war began who otherwise would not have died violently. This is no good achievement. The way is being prepared for the oil money to be stolen. The Iraqis believe that their civil strife was started by US agents acting covertly. and the large majority of Iraqis want the US to leave. These are all facts that should be communicated.

here is an interesting video file showing an interview with American intellectual Naomi Wolff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9PulYpjGs

But be aware, this interview hasn't been sanctioned by the big 6 corporations that control over 90% of US media and so I'm sure the anti-Americans among us will say it came from a black helicopter (whatever that means).

and here is a dramatic presentation of some CIA stress positions used in torture.

http://www.unsubscribe-me.org/waitingfortheguards.php?

In America the legal framework has been passed already to arrest people secretly, put them in secret prisons, try them in secret courts and for the crimes of merely communicating information that is not supposed to be communicated and even to torture those individuals as well. It is a mistake to think that this can only be done to non-US citizens. If you don't know these things, then you are ignorant of the several Patriot Act

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Number 6,

Looking after myself. 23/11/2007 13:18:59

#3and 4 I suppose Free speech zones are a myth too?. For those who don't know what they are :

When "George of Crawford" ventures off the ranch to visit a city in the US protesters are restricted to what they laughably call "Free Speech Zones" . Well
away from the "Commander in Chief" here under the watchful eye of the Secret Service, you can protest against Bush. Step outside the Zone and you are arrested. What do you think of that?

Are you even aware that this is now the law in the "Land of the Free"?.

Wally, hang in there, things in your country have to change eventually.

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Carolyn 1,

Massachusetts, usa 23/11/2007 14:10:47

Number 6
Totally in left field as usual

The United States is a Free Speech Zone. It is the law of the land: always was and always will be. That Wally day after day says what he thinks is proof the system of Free Speech is alive and well.

Crawford is the Bush private home. The US has private properties law;
if you owned property you would know about tresspassing.

As for hate crimes- For example, everyone is free to say whatever he/she wants, but if you enter private property and draw a swastika on someone's house, that is a hate crime if the person wants to press charges. If you hang a rope from a tree in someone's yard, it is free speech, but it is also a hate crime if the person feels threatened and chooses to press charges.

6 may think it is Laughable that we have free speech zones but in America freedom of speech is a constitutional right for everyone.
Freedom of speech is a freedom, but it does not entitle someone to threaten to kill, or endanger, another human being.
As for the threats against the President, the court would have to proove (beyond the freedom of speech) that the person's intents became criminal

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23/11/2007 14:30:52
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we the people,

23/11/2007 15:10:13

this article has been prominently carried by all the corporate media (usually a good indicator of its propagandistic content) and sure enough if this is the best 'good' news to come out of iraq the neo-cons are clutching at straws. Between 4 and 5 million people have become refugees thanks to the murderous occupation, and to report that 1000 a day are returning, would mean, assuming that no-one was still leaving iraq (a patently false assumption), that in a year just under half a million (less than an eighth of refugees at a conservative estimate) had returned. Hardly the sort of numbers which merits the sort of coverage this story's been given. The occupation has increased levels of torture, killing and displacement in iraq, quite a remarkable achievement given the bestial nature of the previous regime.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 23/11/2007 16:04:20

#8 Wally

> It is very American to respect an institution like You-Tube and un-American to ridicule it.

Isn't the essence of free speech the right to ridicule, ie, point out weaknesses in the arguments of others?

What is un-American is you Wally, and people like you that think 'free speech' applies only to them, not to others.

Of course, Wally also thinks that I should be required to change my name since Gaelic is also un-American.

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Stockbridge,

23/11/2007 16:50:06

14. Dáithí,

"Of course, Wally also thinks that I should be required to change my name since Gaelic is also un-American."

Where did he say that, besides, is it not "Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi" you change your name to as you only appear on the same days?

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 17:41:04

For people not familiar with the 'free-speech' zones - this is when the president's bodyguards will not allow people to hold signs or otherwise protest anywhere near the president. When the president travels the path is cleared in advance of anyone who may even protest or shout a question or statement. They go to ridiculous lengths to do this. The protesters are frequently required to move 100 yards or more from where the president will be, more & more completely out of sight & ear-shot.

Republicans frequently justify this practice by saying that clinton did it too. but the practice is becoming more & more pronounced and ridiculous in the way it is carried out. Protesters are simply not allowed from all practical purposes. Journalists who ask the wrong questions at press conferences are removed in an immediate & rude manner. This happened just a couple weeks ago at the White House during a press conference. the president doesn't just say "I'm not going to answer that.' and move onto the next question, instead he just looks at his security people and immediately the person is man-handled out of the building despite that he was polite & respectful. This has happened numerous times. there is a famous video of it happening when Bush was governor of Texas. The journalist asked a taboo question, immediately governor bush looked at the police officer nearby and pointed at the journalist, and immediately about 4 police officers jumped on the journalist and pushed him to the ground, carried him outside & arrested him.

This is more & more the atmosphere in America. carolyn is incorrect in her explanation. It has nothing to do with private property or security, it has to do with setting standards of speech. The protesters can be right on public property or in what we Americans call the 'right of way' or a corridor next to a street that is supposed to be for all people or for the city and the president's people wil

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 17:49:37

free speech is being taken from the Americans, but more by concentrating the ability to speak into the hands of the 6 corporations who own our mass media than by restricting protester's rights. There are many many examples of important stories that are either not covered or severely distorted by the mass media. Here are a few big stories that the Americans should know, but are ignorant of as a result of mass media news black-out on them.

For about 40 years from 1960-2000 the US government got 10-12% of its revenue from corporate income tax. But today it is around 4% - despite that corporate income has risen dramatically the last few years. The tax laws have been changed up so dramatically that the corporations owned overwhelmingly by rich people hardly have to pay any taxes by comparison to the previous norm. Yet the Americans have no clue of this.

About 2 years ago they invented a brand new tax category. It is called 'investment income'. It is a sub-category of the personal income tax. For investment income the tax rate is 15%. This means that the richest Americans who earn money only from investment income pay a very low tax rate, and then of course can apply tax loopholes to their income to make the effective rate even lower. Bill gates' effective rate was around 5% in a recent year. But the poorest Americans who work day-labor and can only get work 1-2 days a week frequently must pay the payroll tax which between individual & employer contributions sums up to 15.8%.

There are many articles in the mass media about how the demographic changes in our country are making the social security system not viable. But what they don't tell you is that 40% of all the payroll tax collected that is supposed to go entirely for social security & medical care (for elderly pensions & medical care) is diverted and not saved for this purpose. It is instead immediately spent on other things. Any retirement fund will lose its strength if

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Stockbridge,

23/11/2007 17:50:27

16. Wally

Thanks.

It could probably get quite embarrassing if someone shouted "What's two times two?"

We unfortunately had something similar here when protesters were removed from the line of sight of some Chinese human rights abuser, who seemed to have "more right" to be there than the protesters.

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 17:56:26

one more thing. I know a fellow whose only crime is posting things like I do on the internet. and he is not allowed to fly out of the country. There are almost 100,000 people on the 'no-fly' list. and there have been US Senators and US Congressmen not allowed to fly as well.

There are also many many examples of the fascism coming down on us. If you wish to investigate this issue, then start by looking at the links I put up above.

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Stockbridge,

23/11/2007 18:32:54

19. Wally

Sorry for breaking your posts.

Your links in the first post are very impressive albeit sickening.

At the time of Kuwait City being abandoned I had remember reading multiples more citizens had been taken as shields en route to Iraq, and remember those convoys being attacked, and then seeing no news coverage of civilians killed, completely contradicting the original claims.

Its also alarming to see the repressive attitude towards your posts, and accusations of being anti American (I am Scottish but my father was USAF), coming from posters whose only collective category could be seen as pro genocide. It is difficult to believe so many people can share such sickening views without suspecting its the same idiot changing names.

Have you considered making a website of your links, as it seems an injustice just posting them here.

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Sandi,

California 23/11/2007 18:49:31

Wally, thanks for posting this. For those amongst the remaining 23% of Bush war supporters, here is a link for you:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21384690/

Free speech in the US is not as free as it was seven years ago. The First Amendment is only one part of our Constitution that the Bush regime has trampled.

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Carolyn 1,

Masachusetts, usa 23/11/2007 19:19:44

Wally said
"This is more & more the atmosphere in America. carolyn is incorrect in her explanation. It has nothing to do with private property or security, it has to do with setting standards of speech."
Wally- Once again I am curious as to how different things are in Arizona.
I attended college In DC and every day I waited for mass transit in front of the WhiteHouse - I had a back pack and a camera or two. Everyday a guy with a hearing aid stepped in alongside me. Never did he restrict my movements, my voice or my thoughts.
This is very much the same for when I've been in Kennebunkport, Maine which is the family's summer residence. The guards are there to protect the life of the president, not to control a citizen's mind or voice.

Wally, you need to move about the vast countryside of America and meet real people. Life and living is not you-tube or the crap you find on bizarre remote websites.
Life and living is not some pre-edited string of words. You do realize these videos you are addicted to are edited to produce the desired result?

As for the Patriot Act and NSA- I support it. If you are not talking with the enemy you have nothing to fear- if you are unknowingly talking to the enemy I would hope you could help fight the enemy. Only the paranoid worry about losing free speech... and I must wonder why..

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Carolyn 1,

Masachusetts, usa 23/11/2007 19:31:47

And Wally- here's a easier truth for you to grasp:
Blogs are not news. They are opinions which may or may not have anyhing to do with fact or truth- they are opinions.
Blogs= opinion.
your blog links may well be nothing but some person with an e-mail account who may never venture further than the corner grocery store.

I'll start reading your links when you start showing me real news from a reporter with a degree and a license who writes the truth with the risk of being sued for lies or slander if he's wrong

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 19:49:02

just one more 'one more thing' about news stories that the Americans should know, but do not get told in the propaganda environment - in 2000 there were 69% of all adults living in the US aged 21-65 (both legal & illegal residents) who had jobs. and today it is 61-62%. The government keeps its unemployment rate steady by assuming that Americans don't want to work. we have lots of homelessness & lots of people who live off of relatives & friends. because the domestic economy is bad.

an economist did a study and he found that over a 2-3 year period spanning approximately 2003 to 2005 of all new jobs that were created 91% went to foreign born people. Our population is growing so rapidly due to immigration that even though some new jobs are created the percentage of our population working declines.

I've talked to Americans who say they vote Republican because they're against increased immigration. These people don't understand that the Republicans are the ones who've changed up the policies in key ways to massively increase illegal immigration. I remember recounting that key policy change made by Republicans in 1986 that had that result and being ridiculed here because it was not a prominent corporate media story and therefore I'm an idiot for knowing about it. And today president bush & the republicans are planning legislation that would greatly increase immigration. The Heritage Foundation said the legislation supported last year by Bush & most republicans would mean 100 million new immigrants in about 15 years. This fellow Tancredo who bills himself as anti-immigrant had his name put on legislation that would have the federal government setting wage targets for different types of work and letting people come in on special visas issued by employers until the wage targets were met. In other words - unlimited immigration by means of indentured servitude of foreigners.

Keep in mind that peak wages for the majority

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Wally,

By The Rivers Of Babylon (USA) 23/11/2007 20:03:20

The war is having a very negative effect on the American men fighting the war and their families. For many americans we have a war-based economy now in that war-participation is a viable means of making a living where many other things don't produce a good secure income.

I was told by the anti-American Datey that Americans don't really care if their fellow Americans die in the war. and I was told by him that Americans should have their retirement funds taken from them to fund these wars. and it's just been evident in my conversation with Datey that he is not familiar with our country's traditions, ideas & history. That is why I refer to him as anti-American and have selected an American spelling for his name. It is very common in our history that when people move here from elsewhere they have their name modified in either spelling or in pronounciation.

Unlike Datey I am familiar with our people and the profoundly negative effects this war has on them. It is anti-American Americans who support this war. Here is another one of many stories about the suffering of our soldiers.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2007-11-22-braininj...

as I've been told by datey that nobody really cares about these soldiers, then you can see why I decline to spell his name correctly. Here's another article that Datey would tell us is illegitimate as it expresses sympathy for Iraqi children. and we all know that is beyond the pale.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/340665_iraqikids23....

A few weeks ago I posted a you-tube video of a christian preacher wearing a button that said 'I love Iraqis' and trying to be admitted into the gallery of a congressional hearing to merely be a spectator. He was denied entry, then assaulted by police for hi

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Big Alan,

23/11/2007 23:28:50

It looks like its back to all this freak show stuff again.

Behave or go away.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 23/11/2007 23:55:17

#32 - Big Alan

Sorry Alan, I'd be happy to. I think that 'The Scotsman' would be better served by supporting a moderated site where users are required to register with their real names and paid ISP's instead of Yahoo.co.uk type 'free' addresses.

Agree with my views or not, you have to admit that at least I'm honest in who I am. I see no advantage in 'Trolling'.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 24/11/2007 00:09:05

I don't know who 'Djookers' is, was it someone that posted here? I've been here since mid-October.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 24/11/2007 00:13:53

#37 - Whomever

> Do you not think its a bit obvious when four posts all appear on the same topic in 16 minutes.

Uh no, I think that most people on the west coast are getting home from work at around 4 and turning on their computers.

> Get a life or a job or something.

Ah, the obligatory 'job' reference. You always blow it by having to get in a personal dig, eh?

I'm retired. I'm enjoying it.

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Dáithí,

24/11/2007 01:10:20

#42 - Whomever

> How come you think it should get more busy for people coming home from work in some other country?

Busier, not 'more busy'. Learn to speak English.

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Dáithí,

San Jose 24/11/2007 01:52:35

#45 - Big Alan / 1:36am 24 Nov 2007

> Local Scots kiddo...

I see. 1:36am in Scotland on a Friday night and here you are, sitting at your computer, posting to the Scotsman.

Sad. No wonder porn enters your mind so quickly.

Oh wait, it's only 9-10'ish in your part of Canada, isn't it?

So you get on to PRETEND that you're a Scot then insult Americans to get them to retaliate by insulting Scots?

Does things moving towards 'normalization' in Iraq threaten you so much that you have to resort to things like this?

It isn't working, Suck - everyone is seeing it. Go troll some other paper.

Sad.

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Rossetto,

24/11/2007 06:13:17

50. Sponge AKA Suck McCrunchie

How's the weather in Canada?

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57Nomad,

california 24/11/2007 12:06:57

#36 Stretch & 38 Daithi

In your post you say:

"Djookers AKA Mines an 80 Bob is a computer geek by trade that set up his own site"

and Daithi in #38 wonders:

"I don't know who 'Djookers' is, was it someone that posted here? I've been here since mid-October."

For both of you, you need to understand that you can't talk about Djookers without talking about Wally. Wally, well known for his conspiratorial outlook on life, earned his opinion the hard way (see his constant harping on 'aliens.')

Wally is not an American by birth. He was born on the planet Zork and was quite well thought of. He was successful in everything he tried and quite the ladies man. All six of his heads perfectly groomed and cleanly shaved. He had his own intergalactic space cruiser "The Spirit of Alpha Centauri."

As many Zorkers are, Wally was fond of 'road trips' through the galaxy is his spare time. Unfortunately, his regular navigator got some of its feet run over by a truck and couldn't make it. The replacement guy seemed normal enough until they got within sight of Earth.

You may have already guessed what came next. Wally's new navigator was no Zorkian at all. He was a shape-shifting space snake, literally a snake, who had assumed the handsome six head, twelve feet Zorkan figure but could not maintain it when he got excited and when his quick scan of Earth fauna showed millions of snakes, half of which he was sure were females, and he was right, he unwittingly reassumed his natural form.

Well, you can imagine the excitement this caused on the bridge. One minute the navigator is your garden variety Zorkster and the next minute he's a repulsive space snake. Through the whole crew for a loop. It also made it impossible for him to navigate the ship because, as you well know, snakes have no arms or hands and he couldn't move the controls with his tongue no matter how hard he tried.

This

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24/11/2007 13:15:47

#53
Ah Nomad, that sure is eloquent 'journalism' -
a heart-wrenching story of struggle and the long search for the homeland, love and sex that so many lost cultures must endure with hardships thrust upon them- a story that can only end, culminating with that ultimate and inevitable crash landing- caused by the masked navigator.
the poetic inspiration brought a tear to this lost soul's eye

I think the New York Times would put it up for a Pulitzer in reporting.

:)

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Surfer Dude,

Pa‘ia Town, Maui 24/11/2007 16:13:32

41. Nancy "Stretch" Pelosi

Stockbridge = Djookers

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Dáithí,

San Jose 24/11/2007 16:46:39

#53 - 57Nomad

Hahaha! Well, THAT certainly explains things!

I see that he's of the Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols school of Americanism.

His objection has been that his hard-earned American dollars are going out to make the lives better for undeserving non-Americans in far-away lands. Saddam is a brutal dictator that has killed hundreds of thousands of his own people? Too bad, that's their problem - that's his line of thinking.

Oh well.

Thanks for the early morning laugh, 57Nomad!

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Sponge,

24/11/2007 17:32:50

Carolyn 1, Masachusetts

Look - if you are pretending to be be other people, at least check the spelling of their 'location'!

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Lynne,

USA 24/11/2007 23:07:57

Nomad...this tale should be made known to all posts.. It also clears up his fondness for Dennis Kucinich.. !!!


 

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