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Published Date: 06 July 2009
IRAN'S most important group of religious leaders has called the disputed presidential election and new government illegitimate, an act of defiance against the country's supreme leader and a public sign of a split in the country's clerical authorities.
In a sign of a deepening rift among Shiite clerics, the Assembly of Qom Seminary Scholars and Researchers also called for the release of Iranians arrested in protests after the hardline president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was declared winner of the 12 June vote over opposition candidate Mir Hosein Mousavi.

Mr Ahmadinejad's re-election was strongly backed by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

"Other candidates' complaints and strong evidence of vote- rigging were ignored …peaceful protests by Iranians were violently oppressed … dozens of Iranians were killed and hundreds were illegally arrested," said a statement published on the assembly's website this weekend. "The outcome is invalid."

Qom is Iran's centre of Shiite learning, about 80 miles south of Tehran. The assembly has little political influence but its statement is a significant act of defiance since Qom is the power base of the clerical establishment.

"This crack in the clerical establishment and the fact they are siding with the people and Mr Mousavi in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic," said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Programme at Stanford University in the US. "Remember they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Mr Khamenei."

The association includes reformists, but Iranian political analysts describe it as independent and it did not support any candidate in the recent election.

Iranian officials deny the election was rigged, saying it was the "healthiest" since the 1979 revolution.

They have clamped down on the protests, but opponents say they will not give up.

The statement comes as hardliners called for leaders of the protests, the most striking display of dissent in Iran since the 1979 Islamic revolution, to be put on trial.

Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards yesterday accused opposition leaders of "trying to overthrow the Islamic establishment".

"We had forecast a velvet revolution. But it was neutralised by our vigilance," the official IRNA news agency quoted General Yadollah Javani as saying.

While some clerics, including Ayatollah Mohammad Mesbah Yazdi, are aligned with Ahmadinejad, at least two grand ayatollahs, dissident Hossein Ali Montazeri and moderate Yusof Saanei, had already criticised the authorities.

"With all these problems, how can the result be recognised as legitimate? How can the next government be recognised as legitimate," the Qom assembly statement said.

The association's statement gives a tactical boost to Mr Mousavi, former president Mohammad Khatami and the former speaker of parliament, Mehdi Karroubi, who have been the most vocal in calling the election illegitimate and have been hindered in their attempts to force change by the jailing of many of their influential backers.

While the government could continue to paint the three as traitors, analysts say it would be unlikely the leaders would use that same tactic against the clerical establishment.




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  • Last Updated: 05 July 2009 10:11 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iran
 
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2dogs in D.C.,

06/07/2009 01:07:14
Holy smokes,this just keeps getting more interesting.What do you do when one ruling cleric is up against other ruling clerics? In my case,sit back,light up,pour a stiff one,and watch the show.
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Finlang,

Hong Kong 06/07/2009 01:31:25
#1 Dogs

This is a no-smoking site.
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ukrefusenik,

camelon 06/07/2009 02:24:29
wally , damn right son, one third plays two thirds , the powerful syndicate that so heavily backed the losers , want the winning hand annulled , and are threatening to "mash up" the game , the americans have plenty plenty money , so buying "useful idiots" shouldnt be a problem . joe biden tonight made it clear , Iran is their number one target ,now that he has stated that their proxies have recieved an explicit green light to attack the Islamic Republic . anyone that continues to question what was the most open election ever , must have another agenda , surely ?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 03:42:55
People are eventually waking up to America's "games". oh wait, perhaps they could talk the opposition into having a "tea party" that's sure to scare the bemohammed out of them.

Meanwhile... more rioting in China. Hello postit, twodogs, Wally.
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Mashimaro,

china 06/07/2009 05:19:44
wonder where Jim is... rowing back from New Zealand?
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Jim A,

06/07/2009 06:59:41
#8 Mashi, still in NZ and .....thinking of moving here.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 08:35:24
bad riots again eh...really bad
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2dogs in D.C.,

06/07/2009 09:34:15
So,what's w/this rioting?(And Hi,all.)
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 09:39:46
it's still the Han Uiger issue, double dog. Now you see why our government needs to keep a tight lid on things.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 06/07/2009 10:02:58
Mashi & Skidders

It seems that the ethnic minorities whose land you have colonized aren't happy being in the Celestial Kingdom.

Is that 2 anti Han Chinese riots in 2 years?

And 2 different ethnic groups.

What are you doing to stir up this much hate?
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Mcsnagpile,

06/07/2009 10:08:17
The British caused all this bother. If BP had not developed the oil fields they could have remained perfectly happy growing pistachios, making carpets, smoking Shisha pipes and sauntering around on camels—kauwa diaman.
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ukrefusenik,

camelon 06/07/2009 12:05:33
#16

for "developed" read "stolen" , for the rest ? the Iranians are every bit as sophisticated as the english , they just have different cultural,
geo-political priorities . the english dont like it when people suss out their strategums for theft , so whats new with that ? the guy is a spy for the brit-state , and deserves the fate of spies for foreign powers . or is anyone claiming that the british state doesnt run spy rings wherever they have an embassy ?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 13:33:03
#20 yeahhhhhh... when you find those WMD in Iraq, you be sure to let us know.
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 13:34:28
Postit, what's the latest? I am off from the office - you know the nine to five work thesedays. Someone said Tibet will start up too something about the dalai lama's birthday
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 14:11:49
#25 so it's over?
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Mashimaro,

China 06/07/2009 14:38:40
#27 We know why it started. It was payback for what the Han animals did to them earlier. I wonder what it takes to start a riot these days.
If this carries on, I will be sailing to work tomorrow.
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Rod McLennan,

06/07/2009 15:40:40
#30 The FH site is for losers
I have no idea why the editorial staff allows you to continue posting these filthy racist comments. The sooner you're banned the better for all of us.
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mike - across the pond,

ukrefusenik 06/07/2009 16:54:01
I read your post...

stolen...

well think of it this way... that was 30-100 years ago.. I can almost guarantee you that 99.9% of whatever was 'stolen' is long since gone... and they've all pulled 100x whatever was stolen since then...

so WHAT is all this "colonial masters stole from" (insert your "oppressed minority" here) whining about???
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ukrefusenik,

camelon 06/07/2009 16:59:13
i'd rather read whatever it is the "losers" have to post , as long as it isnt scatological (weak stomach). whenever i see a thread spattered with red , i feel robbed , but its being robbed by unseen hands that bothers me . people(and moderators are people too) very often dislike my opinion of yankee land or the robbers lair in the Levant ,even overt racist unpleasantness or thoughtless callousness , should be be left in the open for everyone to see . if these can be banned then anything anyone might say is fair game if such attributes can possibly be laid at their door .lets face it,one mans anti zionism ,say, is another's anti semitism , then the blue pencil is quickly out to blackout free speech
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mike - across the pond,

posty... and mashy 06/07/2009 17:02:39
I see where the Dalai Lama says he'll live to be 100...

guess those "insane tibetans" will do ANYTHING to get their lands back... including living to 100... eh?

and before you go TOO wild on the sanctity of your chinese press... I dont trust ANY press.. west, east, north, south... they ALL are loons...

one question... what do you think Mao would have done to the Dalai Lama if he hadnt fled in 1955?
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ukrefusenik,

camelon 06/07/2009 17:06:09
welcome, mike from the poo corrupted pond , your contortions to avoid looking the truth in the eye , is a fine position for you , you keep it, hasbara man . see ,if you use "key words" their software will summon their paid devil trolls from far and wide .
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Willie Mor,

06/07/2009 19:31:46
Not really surprising that religious leaders take different views.

Of course the big issue is whether any of them have anything else but hatred for the infidels whom they despise in large measure.

Unless and until religious fascism is neutered there will never be peace.

We should have left these crackpots in the last millennium without the advantages of modern technological advances.

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Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

06/07/2009 19:41:27
28...Aye I'll bet..

*Kaching*
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 07/07/2009 00:08:55
Ask Away in #42: if you are paid anything you are over-paid. because your presumed opponents such as Jack Murtha or FH is for losers have no substance in their comments.

I've posted the link in #3 several times showing that professional pollsters concluded that Ahmadinejad was very popular, actually favored by 2 of 3 voters. they refer to this as a conspiracy theory and otherwise ignore it. but it is powerful evidence that the election results were not fraudulent.

all your opponents do askaway is throw mud. you've got little to do to defeat them in reasoned debate.

unfortunately the mass media doesn't pay attention to objective evidence that ahmidinejad won the election. as UKRefusenik implied - they are implementing the agend of the ruling regime. and for most people the emotional buttons pressed by the mass media on this issue are all the evidence they need.

Remember, we cannot have perpetual peace unless we have perpetual war. and when you think about it only terror-sympathizers don't want perpetual peace.
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Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 07/07/2009 04:11:14
Jim A still in New Zealand? Thinking of settling there too! Know the place well spent a third of my life there.Where are you?
As for Iran, just another muslim nation doing what they do. Top cleric trumps all,right or wrong.
#34 Mike across the pond.What would Mao have done to the Dalai Lama had he stayed.Answer SFA! Henry Pu Yi the last Emperor,what happened to him? SFA.Think like a guilao on things Chinese will get you one thing, NOTHING!
Uighur riots, are normal muslim responses in their "PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS" Worldwide.When was the last "REAL PEACEFUL ONE".They even manage to kill one another with abandon at the Haj.Same old same old.
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mike - across the pond,

ah wally 07/07/2009 14:10:39
pre election, all the polls I heard/saw showed a VERY tight race...

now all the sudden its 2-1???

wally, as I remember you were all blustery about the polls not reflecting the ballot counts in OUR election...

one question for you... what about your self loathing allows polls about OUR election to be not indicitave of the vote, but somebody elses are just ducky????

and wally... you should know that how somebody votes in the privacy of a polling booth is NOT reflective of how someone SAYS they voted with a camera shoved in their face....
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ukrefusenik,

07/07/2009 14:55:05
"all the polls i heard /saw / " invented , by the ferkin way , who the thingy are these "OURS" ? this is a scottish site the only "OURS" on these threads are scottish at best , british at worst , dont you have any newspapers of your own ? the washington post , no friend of the Islamic republic , called exactly those figures in the closing week , regime change initiated by millibands spies , isnt very likely , ye know ? the republic will exercise
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 07/07/2009 18:30:19
Mike in 48:

the link I put up in #3 showed that a private and professional polling outfit found that Ahmidinejad had over a 2-1 lead over Mousavi. It says also that other private polls showed similar result. the official results also were similar in this manner.

There is no legitimate reason whatsoever for the protests.

Normally in the US private exit polls match near exact with the official results. In the 2004 election there were 5 states where the official results varied significantly with the private exit polls. In all 5 states the variance came suddenly late in the day and in all 5 the variance went in Bush's favor.

Pollster John Zogby released a press statement saying this on election day. but the story was buried by the mass media and the americans never even knew.
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