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Published Date: 20 June 2009
GORDON Brown has condemned the use of violence and media suppression in Iran after the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei denounced Britain as the "most treacherous" of Iran's enemies.
In his strongest comments to date in the wake of the country's disputed presidential elections, the Prime Minister said following the Ayatollah's speech yesterday that it was for the regime to prove to the world that the elections were fair.

Rasou
l Movahedian, the Iranian ambassador, was summoned to the Foreign Office to explain Ayatollah Khamenei's comments, after he attacked what he called interference by foreign powers who had questioned the result of the 12 June poll, describing the British government as "evil" and "sinister".

Thousands listened to Ayatollah Khamenei's speech from loudspeakers outside Tehran University, at times chanting "death to the UK, Israel and US". It was the same venue where, last Sunday, hundreds of students demonstrated in support of defeated opposition candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi.

Speaking from the European summit in Brussels, Mr Brown said the EU was unanimous in condemning crackdowns against protesters who took to the streets claiming the election was rigged.

"I believe that it is right for us to speak out for rights, to speak out against repression, to speak out in condemnation of violence, to speak out for a free media that is prevented from doing its job, and we will continue to do it," he said.

"It is for Iran now to show the world that the elections are fair. It is also the wish of the world that the repression and the brutality that we have seen in these last few days is not something that is going to be repeated.

"The eyes of the world are upon Iran at the moment. We want Iran to be part of the international community and not to be isolated but it is for Iran to prove, not just to Britain but to the whole of the world and to their own people, that they can respect these basic rights."

In the end, it was not Mr Movahedian but a more junior diplomat who attended a meeting with Foreign Office political director Mark Lyall Grant.

"We made clear to the Iranian chargé that the supreme leader's comments were unacceptable and had no basis in fact," a Foreign Office spokesman said.

During an escalating diplomatic spat, Britain's ambassador to Iran has twice been called to meetings with officials in Tehran in recent days, on one occasion to receive a complaint about the BBC's coverage of the 12 June elections.

Delivering his sermon as he led Friday prayers, Ayatollah Khamenei upheld the election victory of hardline president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He issued a strong warning to leaders of mass street protests against a disputed presidential election that they would be responsible for any bloodshed.

His words appeared to hint at a future crackdown by authorities on rallies after the election a week ago, which Ayatollah Khamenei said was fairly won by Mr Ahmadinejad and not rigged, as defeated candidate Mr Mousavi alleges.

Ayatollah Khamenei called for an end to the protests in his first address to the nation since the election results triggered the most widespread street demonstrations in the Islamic Republic's 30-year history, which have claimed up to eight lives.

Mr Mousavi's supporters have planned another demonstration today.

AYATOLLAH KHAMENEI ON…

BRITAIN


"I will tell you the diplomats of some western countries have taken their masquerade away from their faces and they are showing their true image. They are displaying their enmity against the Islamic state, and the most evil of them is the British government"

THE OPPOSITION

"I am urging them to end street protests, otherwise they will be responsible for the consequences. The result of the election comes out of the ballot box, not from the street. If there is any bloodshed, leaders of the protests will be held directly responsible"

ELECTIONS

"Iran's laws do not allow vote-rigging … If the difference was 100,000 or 500,000 or one million, well, one may say fraud could have happened. But how can one rig 11 million votes?"

UNITED STATES

"American officials' remarks about human rights are not acceptable because they have no idea about human rights after what they have done in Afghanistan and Iraq and other parts of the world. We do not need advice from them"





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  • Last Updated: 19 June 2009 11:18 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Iran
 
1

GibsonAustralia,

Sydney 20/06/2009 00:08:12
Everyone hates Great Britian it seems.
This is, of course, China and her meddling with asian 3rd world countries to stir up Anglo hate.
China never forgave for the Opium Wars and it shows here on this site with the attitudes of the Chinese writers.

2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 00:44:44


Time for one to start, 'Shaking_in_their_Boots', no-doubt!



3

The Col. of Monte Cristo,

20/06/2009 01:36:27
#1 GibsonAustralia, - "China never forgave for the Opium Wars"

Well considering Britain stated the war because the Chinese government forbade opium use and prohibited it's import...who can blame them?

Daft question...raving British Imperialist/Unionist loonies of course!

4

Mashimaro,

China 20/06/2009 01:44:48
This is such a perfect example of why paranoid mad people get into - and usually stay in - power. Here's a newsflash for the west . . . this is no longer a "western world". Leave it alone. You have no business and even less "authority" to be passing condemnation to be butting in. This is for the Iranian people to decide and deal with. Not you.
5

2dogs in D.C.,

20/06/2009 01:55:41
Hey,Jim A-It's all your fault after all....;)
6

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:20:25
This regime named a street in Tehran 'Bobby Sands Street'.

Just happens to be the street where the British Embassy is located.
7

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:21:18
One of the few foreign ambassadors to have anything to do with the SNP is the Iranian ambassador.
8

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:22:35
Interesting to note that both the Iranian government and some SNP voters use the same negative term for the UK (Perfidious Albion or treacherous Britain).
9

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:23:34
George Galloway, Mr Salmonds protest friend, also likes to use the term "Perfidious Albion".
10

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:25:07
The IRA supporters have been using the term "Perfidious Albion" for decades now.

This brings us nicely back to Bobby Sands Street, Tehran, Iran.
11

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:28:31
Sorry I have to split my comments up to make it harder for The Scotsman to justify deleting them - at the prompting of SNP supporters.

Thats the same SNP that defend Osama Saeeds right to urge muslims not to cooperate with police and the same SNP who didn't lift a finger to Hanif after his visit a terrorist training camp in Pakistan.
12

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:29:04
BTW
Some of us are on to you Salmondy boy.
13

W Smith,

Middle East 20/06/2009 03:31:53
Our very own 'Professor' Ali Ansari at St Andrews University is very quiet now is he not?

Any chance of our Ali standing up for Britain?
14

2dogs in D.C.,

20/06/2009 03:54:42
W Smith-Thanks.
15

Skasia,

20/06/2009 04:12:24
The Brits have a way of upsetting the apple cart with their big mouths. Gordon Brown seems to have been finally awakened from his coma by the Iranian Ayatollah.

Hopefully the Scotsman team will do something about this idiot W Smith posting seven comments in a row.
16

!Ya basta!,

20/06/2009 05:06:00
It is Iran's business not ours.

But a UK leader should speak out for rights and against oppression.

The problem is that our leaders ar every slective in which rights and which oppression they condemn.

Hypocrisy and double standards are what contunually undermines us.

Sometimes we do the right things. But when was the last time we really did the right thing for the right reasons?

Iraq, no. Afghanistan, no. Serbia, no. The list goes back for a long time.

In the UK we have some wonderful common traditions of fairness, honesty and compassion. It's a shame that politicians and big business forget this in their pursuit of power and money.

As the ordinary guy in the street, and to parrot Micheal Moore, I'd like to say "Pal, where's my country?"
17

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18

Phillip,

20/06/2009 05:45:48
Being hated by a bunch of stark raving made Islamic Terrorists is another part of the Union benefit, isn't it?
19

361,

China 20/06/2009 05:51:07
If and when 7/7 like events revisit British shores, make sure to thank Brown, he openly invited them.

Scotsman55
20

Mashimaro,

China 20/06/2009 07:15:42
#16 You can't speak out against everyone. If you want to borrow people's money you should be nice to them. So the best policy is just to zip it and let them sort it for themselves.
21

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 20/06/2009 08:27:42
It's probably just the old buffoon trying to make USA jealous by relegating the to second place as the Great Satan. Boy are they green with envy.

Why bother with elections if you just call the shots anyway. No wonder the Iranians are irate.

By a wonderful coincidence Broon castigates Iran for interfering with free press, protest, etc. He's no doubt jealous he's not wearing the turban.
22

Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 20/06/2009 08:46:38
16 !Ya basta!,

Good post. Britons working overseas, providing leadership and support in many of the worlds developing nations find themselves ham-strung by the political fall-out resulting from the unthinking London Government.

We are led by imbeciles who go around fanning the flames of hatred and distrust, doing all the political dirty work, not for this country but for those who set the agenda. Meanwhile these same people use other nationalities to take our places and our business.
23

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20/06/2009 09:01:34
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24

billengland,

20/06/2009 09:03:08
Surely they don't think we are after their oil again, just like the last overthrow in 1953, with the help of the USA?

A thirst for democracy and freedom like Iraq?
25

Griffe,

20/06/2009 09:08:00
Khamenei is out of touch with the people of Iran and out of touch with God! God help the Iranians to achieve 'freedom' from this oppresive society.
26

letmein,

hinterland 20/06/2009 09:35:15
He thinks britain is bad, he should try living here.
27

Iain Mac,

20/06/2009 09:43:27
I have to agree with him, even though he's a religious nutter.

Britain with it's long and bloody history of carving up other nations for it's own gain is to blame for the current troubles in the likes of Afganistan, Iraq and Iran. It was Britain, in her lust for oil who destroyed a democratic and peaceful Iran simply so we could get it's oil wealth. It's time Scotland took a step away from 'Britain' and it's history of conquest and greed.

As for Iran, let's hope they can get rid of these religious nutters and return to a progressive and peaceful society.
28

Boy Wonder,

20/06/2009 10:07:21
Evil???

If we elected them, does that make us evil too?

I don't feel very evil.

How does one know?

Oh you have to be a religious person to know??

Okay ... in that case I'm as evil as all get out!

What a load of rubbish! And if the Iranians are content to swallow all that superstitious mumbo-jumbo and accept the cant and hypocracy of their "religious" leaders ... they'll deserve the Civil War that's going to erupt there very soon.

You can only hoodwink and intimidate people for so long! As Ahminadinnerjacket and his masters will find out!
29

361,

China, 20/06/2009 10:12:51
#29 Boy Wonder,
And yet apparently you are unaware that you're being hoodwinked as we speak, but hey, if you're happy with that, all the power to you.

Scotsman55
30

Media at One,

20/06/2009 10:39:49
No wonder the BNP obtain so much support! When you have a nation of fundamental maniacs chanting Down with the West, Kill the British you need to wonder why the BNP are not actually in power - When you consider that this outburst happened at a PRAYER meeting you get the picture of just how evil Islamic religion can be.
So now what? Search less Muslims and focus on searching whites in order to balance the numbers?
Fortunately for the millions of Muslims in Britain, they are living in a white mans nation of restraint and reason. Their lives are not suddenly under threat as western lives would be in Iran in a reversal of this situation.
What would happen if Gordon Brown and a few church leaders held a prayer session and 20 000 white British folk began chanting down with Iran, death to the Muslims?
This is why the west is so advanced and Islam is so primitively far behind - one is capable of rational thinking, whereas the other is a blinkered nightmare of sucide bombing heavenly virgin hunters under the spell of bearded cowards.
And before you tell me that not all Iranians are like this, I know that. I saw the 100 000 protesters and I am thankful that they can see through the deceit.
But that doesnt remove the imminent threat of war.
31

Media at One,

20/06/2009 10:50:02
Sometimes the conversations on these threads in relation to issues such as this will result in posters from China, Islam, Britain and America trying to convince each other that their governments are better for whatever reasons.
I always look to adopt reasoned thinking in these instances. I look at the nations who have always adopted communism and noted that all of them failed until they adopted a western approach to life and economics. Communism doesn't work because the leaders cannot conform to the principles of the system. Whilst being adamant that the populace will live under the strict guidelines of communism the leaders will gravitate to the western philosophy of life thus the system is flawed and destined to fail - and has!
I also look at how many British and American citizens stowe themselves in boxes in order to escape for a new life in Islam or China. I ask how many Westerns live in China and Islam by comparison the amount of Chinese and Islamic folk in Western nations. I then look at the West and count the amount of Chinese and Islamic tendencies the western people have adopted by comparison to the western tendencies that China and Islam adopt.
There is no question as to what sort of system people universally gravitate toward. And before I even finish this post another few thousand Muslims and Chinese nationals are fighting for their lives in their quest to make it to Britain for a new life.
If Britain is so bad, just think of the absolute deprevation that exists in Islam and China.
32

361,

China, 20/06/2009 11:17:26
#32 Media,
And in the meantime everyone is tripping over themselves to go and live in South Africa, or else Zimbabwe eh, great examples of how governments should be run eh.
I live in China buddy, and eventhough things ain't perfect, it is far better than anywhere I've visited and lived and I won't trade it for any other place.
Britain and the Brits are the biggest failures, that's why they've colonized and tried to colonize all over the globe, but they have failed and will fail at everything they do, everything they touch and everywhere they live turns to sh!t and then they make a mass exodus out of there, leaving nothing but misery in their wake, you'd think they were Americans eh.

Scotsman55
33

Media at One,

20/06/2009 11:32:06
China

As I said, we cant debate this rationally because you need to hold your ground and I need to hold mine.
In the end you can only use the facts as a means of gauging the situation.
No matter where you travel in this world there will always be a China town such is the exodus of Chinese from their homeland. No matter where in the world you visit, there will always be a story about a stowe away group of Chinese people looking for a new life in Britain.
China is an awesome place, I like their new commitment to the western way of life and I admire how they have embraced western values and ways of life. Gambling is now rife, maybe not such a great thing but at least they are now expressing themselves. McDonald's and Burger King and every other Western luxury had been adopted by the Chinese and I like that. It is nice to see nations hold up their hands and say, we got it wrong and now we are trying to do it like you.
34

Media at One,

20/06/2009 11:37:55
China
And in terms of coloniation - It isnt nice, but without it we remain fixed in one position. The moon landing BY THE WESTERNERS leading to better fuels, better engineering, better metals, better science has made life in China better for all.
WESTERN COLONISATION has led to probes landing on Mars, the internet, computers, the micro chip and everything else you LOVE to embrace.
If there was a little colony of green people living on the moon would the Western leaders cancel their plans to visit? Of course not, they would go because that is how it needs to be.
China has come a long way, great inventors which I am so respectful of. I am in awe of some of their successes in ancient Engineering. Unfortunately they lost the plot somewhere.
But let us hope they can get it right - so far they are embracing western ways of life and doing well.
35

361,

China, 20/06/2009 11:40:14
Media,
And I've come on these threads too numerous of times to mention that China has learned from its mistakes in the past and we're improving steadily and at an ever increasing pace, despite the so called economic meltdown.
What I don't see happening elsewhere though is learning from past mistakes, especially when it comes to the Brits and the Americans, everything in the past was taken by force and it's happening as we speak and it will continue to happen long after you and I are taking a dirt nap.
That my dear friend, is reality, and I can and will say that with conviction and it has nothing to do with holding ground.

Scotsman55
36

Media at One,

20/06/2009 11:51:23
China -
Life isnt fair and you should know that, living in a nation that has historically been able to live with its torturous methods of leadership you more than anyone can testify how brutal life can be.
I understand the notion to gravitate toward a peaceful and more understanding approach to life, but that isnt how it works in the end. The Brits like all the other nations on the globe had the opportunity to invent and innovate and explore. Had Africans innovated and exlplored they would be the dominant race throughout the world, but they didnt and so the reverse happened.
Was it right for the Brits to colonise Africa?America?Asia?In hindsight, no of course not. But what were they supposed to do? They committed themselves to finding out what was at the other end of that horizon, they worked tirelessy, they dedicated their lives to invention and innovation and it resulted in encountering people they could not intergrate into their societies.
If I was you, I would thank Britain. Think of all the things you would'nt have without them.
37

361,

China, 20/06/2009 12:10:00
Media,
Sorry buddy, I just can't wrap my head around the idea of thanking Britain. The problem with all this development it brings a host of problems through the door with it, and I see it happening here in China. Family values are being eroded in the pursuit of gaining financial riches, the people aren't happy with the simple things anymore and no one seems to realize when enough is enough. I see boarding schools everywhere with their dormitories to the point of overflowing, and I'm talking kids from grade one primary and up, kids that have been thrown into glorified daycares so Ma and Pa can go after their increasing lust for money and all the conveniences said money can by, all the whilst leaving their one child yearning for the love of his or her parents, how sad eh, but true,
So please remind me again what I should thank Britain for, I fail to see your reasoning here.

Scotsman55
38

Media at One,

20/06/2009 12:12:44
EVIL Britain:
You can visit Britain as a Muslim and wear your head scarf without fear of being stoned to death.
You can visit Britain and freely pray to Allah without fear of being stoned to death for insulting Jesus.
You can visit Britian as a Muslim and call your teddy bear Jesus if you want, we dont care and we will not arrest you for doing so let alone demand that you be hanged.
You can visit Britain or even immigrate and enjoy the luxury public transport systems, shop at top shopping malls, walk down good streets and eat in grand resturants, you can visit museums and go on walks, you can even send your muslim kids to schools and worry not about their safety - Pity the same is not true of Islam.
You can visit Britain as a Muslim cleric and hold prayer meetings in the street outside the local mosque and speak about hurting Britain and their evil ways without fear of being hung in the city centre.
In Britain, a woman is considered as human, not sub human. In Britain our religious leaders dont tell the young that blowing themselves up and killing Muslims will result in 72 virgins in heaven. In Britain we dont hold prayer meetings and chant that we want to kill Iranians.
But then again, we are not as savage!
39

Media at One,

20/06/2009 12:25:37
China -
I hear you. But we need to move on, you cannot change the world into the morally functional paradise that you envisage. Things change, not always for the better but they change. Britain is no saint, but her methods of governance and her open policy to immigration and support for people in need of support are admirable. Her people donate billions to Africa each year, they show restraint when it comes to people who threaten them. They have also made grave errors like the war in Iraq, no excuses it was wrong! But all nations, look at China must look at past decisions and hang their heads in shame. But life goes on, and in Britain whilst it isnt perfect it is still civilised, it is still a place where people are free to express no matter what their religious beliefs.
In the end I have no problem with China or the Chinese, but I do have a problem with a bearded Iranian mad man and his cowardly rantings.
40

361,

China, 20/06/2009 12:33:42
#39 Media,
And yet the Brits are guilty of doing all of those things and worse, where ever they've staked their claim, agreed?
You and I are well aware of what dirty and unspeakable atrocities they are guilty of in their quest to colonize the globe, and sadly, it's still ongoing.
What is it with the Anglo-Saxons that they can't get enough of blood, and why is it that they then cry foul when people retaliate?
Come on Media, they're reaping what they've been sowing, and they've been sowing it for far, far too long, and it's all coming home to roost.
The Americans (insert Brits), are guilty of the same thing and are harvesting the same fuits of their labour, that, my friend, is just another cold, hard fact.

Scotsman55
41

Media at One,

20/06/2009 12:47:58
China -
I agree, but then being the most advanced will result in being the most hated.
I can only look at Britain today and judge her levels of tolerance against the levels of intollerance that exist elsewhere.
As I said in #39, you have more freedoms in Britain than elsewhere in the world.
And if it comes down to an all out war with no holds barred, the US and British forces will wipe Iran of the map - But again, restraint will be adopted because that is the Western module.
And speaking of America, not a nation I am fond of in terms of her political partnerships with war mongering nations like Israel. But look at her people, they are white by majority but they voted in a black man on the basis that they were able to put aside racial issues and adopt commons sense in terms of the best man for the job. That to me is a sign that the people of America are united and moving toward a more harmonious future together. Would China vote in a white man or a black man? Would Islam vote in a white man or a black man or even a Chinese man?
We can go round in circles, which is why I said all the way back at #32 - look at the amount of Chinese and Islamics living in the West by comparison to the Westerners living in China and Islam - THAT alone will tell you all you need to know about the places in question.
42

361,

China, 20/06/2009 13:24:18
#42 Media,
I haven't been to Britain and therefore can't argue for or against them having more freedoms than the rest of the world, but I am aware that they have more "security" cameras than any other country, hardly a measuring stick of freedom.
As for an all out war goes, I by now think that the rest of the world, ie: Russia and China wouldn't stand idly by if the Americans and the Brits were to try to wipe Iran off the map, that lot is enclosing on our territories more and more and we need to draw a line somewhere, and I think it would be drawn there.
As far as Obama's appointment to the presidency goes, and let's face it, it is an appointment, they're trying to show the world a different face whilst the whole time carrying on business as usual.
You've shown yourself to be quite clever and you know as well as I do that the electorate were "guided" to "elect" Obama, America couldn't be further from a Democracy than what they are, everything has long since been decided.
In the meantime, more and more Chinese are coming home to roost, the exodus seems to be waning as the quality of life is improving, if you bear with me I'll see if I can dig up some links on that, where's Mashimaro when I need him, he's the man with most of the answers, and the correct ones at that.
And Shanghai, which I call home, is overrun with Westerners, they're literally everywhere, and they've set up their own schools to educate their own, and guess what, the majority are Brits.

Scotsman55
43

Mashimaro,

China 20/06/2009 13:31:37
#23 The British people's eagerness to wag their fingers in strangers' faces and tell them their behaviour is "UNACCEPTABLE" never fails to amaze me. A swift glance at BBC lifestyle shows me you are well prepped for it as a nation of interfering busybodies who can't seem to understand that the world is no longer their colony. In fact the west no longer calls the shots.
44

Mashimaro,

China 20/06/2009 13:35:41
#31 "This is why the west is so advanced and Islam is so primitively far behind - one is capable of rational thinking, whereas the other is a blinkered nightmare of sucide bombing heavenly virgin hunters under the spell of bearded cowards."

And yet...

Islam was the second fastest growing religion in the world last year. The Islamic nations continue to grow stronger while the west falls apart on its own petard of "reason". It retreats at every possible opportunity to accommodate other people and their cultures while failing to identify its own.
You guys are finished.
How did that saying go in south africa... forget the rhino and save the white ou
45

361,

China 20/06/2009 13:38:59
Media,

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-12/09/content_7287984.htm

news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-03/25/content_11073006.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese,_Overseas

http://www.china.org.cn/english/culture/83795.htm

Be careful with the 2nd link, it comes with a dangerous download warning, what ever that is and the 3rd link, the Wikipedia link, shows that there are 40 million overseas Chinese, really a drop in the bucket considering our huge population of 1.3 billion.

Scotsman55
46

361,

China, 20/06/2009 13:40:47
Hey Mashi, you're a sight for sore eyes bud, thanks for coming on to the scene, you're far better at this than me.

Scotsman55
47

Media at One,

20/06/2009 13:41:58
Mashamaro

The Islamic nations continue to grow stronger? If you mean they are recruiting more terrorists than ever before then maybe. But I measure strength on financial terms, technology, innovation, invention, availability of luxuries - all that western stuff that the Chinese in their millions flock to the west for. All that luxury the millions of Islamic people run away from Islam for.
Perhaps the West should behave the like Islam - No wait, we dont want to round them all up and send them home, we dont want to strap bombs to ourselves and blow their people up, we dont want to stone them to death in the streets for naming their teddy bear Jesus - we are not that barbaric or primitive.
Got a rugby match to see - bye
48

The Hiker,

A very hot place, Oman 20/06/2009 17:21:35
#6

Tehran aint the only place with a "Bobby Sands" St.
Much closer to home, several French cities, (including Saint St Denis, an outer suburb of Paris) have Bobby Sands streets....
49

radge dug,

20/06/2009 17:29:43
Media at One - ironically, your right-wing views and support of the Bnp nazis are closer to the right-wing religious nutters of the 'Islamic Republic' - death penalty for gays, suppresion of womens' rights (nae PC nonense in Iran for ye) etc...

Maybe we should hear more how Britain removed a progressive and democratice Iranian govt. in the 50s to replace it with the brutal Shah who ironically gave control of the oil back to UK companies? Britain is to blame for these Islamic nutters taking power.
50

radge dug,

20/06/2009 17:31:30
#6 - great! As much as i hate this lot, the Bobby Sands St is a good idea.
51

radge dug,

20/06/2009 17:34:28
#31 - Media - if the Bnp are so cool, can you explain why their leader Nick Griffin onl a few years ago tried to forge links with Islamic facists, Gaddaffi and Black separists? It even caused a split with the nazi-uniform wearing founder John Tyndall who hated the idea of ANY contact with the 'dark skinned'. Man, you're a fkn tool.
52

stuartyboy,

near edinburgh 20/06/2009 19:44:56
This Kohemy character has got it the wrong way round
all he does is agitate the masses with his rants,him
and as many others like him would prefer if Iran
stayed in the dark ages with regard to women,dress
anything that we take for granted,a country not to be
trusted.Is there any of these eastern countries that
want to live in peace with the west or do they all
want to wipe us out,if so WHY?
53

Electric Hermit,

20/06/2009 20:03:44
28
Iain Mac

"Britain with it's long and bloody history of carving up other nations for it's own gain is to blame for the current troubles in the likes of Afganistan, Iraq and Iran."

All true, of course. But France, Russia and the US have all done their bit as well.

54

Electric Hermit,

20/06/2009 20:09:04
55
stuartyboy

"...do they all want to wipe us out,if so WHY?"

Don't feel too bad. It's probably only partly your fault.

55

Calum Crubag,

20/06/2009 20:15:09
#56 - aye, and? That's why i for one can sympathise with the likes of the Basques and Bretons who are subsumed within a bigger and imperialist state.

Once again, Britain reaps what it sowed.
56

Electric Hermit,

20/06/2009 22:02:32
58
Calum Crubag

"aye, and?"

It was merely an observation. Dinae get yir kilt oot o' kilter.

57

Media at One,

20/06/2009 22:57:43
radge

The BNP are not what I would call cool, but when you listen to the supreme leader of Iran stirring the emotions of thousands of Muslims into a chant that suggests they want to kill you and your family, me and my family and all the other British families you can see why some people will adopt right wing view points.
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Electric Hermit,

20/06/2009 23:12:30
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Media at One

That has to be the feeblest excuse for being a neo-Nazi that was ever uttered.

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20/06/2009 23:28:38
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Electric Hermit,

20/06/2009 23:44:58
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One more time

I tried to make the point earlier, rather clumsily I regret to say, that it is not so much nations that are guilty of sowing the seeds of strife in places such as Iraq and Iran as the cult of imperialism. A cult which can be found to some degree in all nations.

Admittedly, Britain was the world's foremost exponent of this cult in the past. And the US has certainly taken on this mantle today. But there is a chicken/egg question here. Do nations become powerful because of their imperialist tendencies? Or does power make manifest latent imperialism.

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Gibb,

21/06/2009 03:30:33
Gordon Brown has done the right thing to condemn the use of violence and media suppression in Iran. The UN human rights body and Amnesty International have urged Iran to respect the right to protest of irregularities in the poll. But terrorist apologists aren’t happy about it, let it be. A recount of votes is the best solution.

#15 Skasia - Don’t suppress and deprive other posters the right to post in Scotsman. You’ve been too bossy going around reporting posters whose views don’t suit your Islamic Iranian agenda.
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Mashimaro,

China 21/06/2009 04:12:04
#48 media... congrats on the rugby victory!

You guys are being farmed and you don't even acknowledge it. You keep on handing out money that you have to borrow from China. That's just very strange.
You let these Muslims into your country and let them live off you like parasites... while their mullahs tell them not to work, but to go on the dole. Not even the Chinese do that to you.
You let them put up their mosques and run their sharia law. That's not people "fleeing" media... it's an invasion. A quiet soft, invasion.
WAKE UP.
Bundle them up and send them home? I would think so, dude. Decide what your own culture is and grow a backbone.
You think the west is so great? It's done for. Finished. You had a good 200 - 300 years. These guys and we Chinese, we've been around for thousands of years and now we're back. We've done a lot of inventing in the past and we'll be doing it now, thanks. Already Chinese scientists are making huge medical breakthroughs. Our economy continues to grow at 7%, yours... not so much eh. Like I keep on saying to you - this is no longer a world run by the west. Hopefully it will be one run by the Chinese. But Islam is the second fastest growing religion.
Did you know there are more Muslims in China than there are in Saudi Arabai. Scary hmm?
You might want to review your idea that "availability of luxuries" is a good thing. All that does is make you a bunch of soft whiners. No strong nation has ever been forged on the "availability of luxuries" in fact that is what usually sinks them.
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Mashimaro,

China 21/06/2009 04:20:25
#49 Contributed to South Africa's current state? You mean he was one of those "dastardly" colonising whites pulled southern africa out of the stone age? The ones who taught the blacks how to get their gold out of the ground efficiently, gave them education and medical care and generally saved them from disease, poverty and starvation? The PIGS.
And now because of the whining whites in the UK he has nowhere to go?
Look, dude, when a nation is successful it needs more resources. That's just a fact of life. Those resources were available in far off countries - another fact of life. They found them and used them and whatever else happened was just a by-product of weaker nations being conquered. It's a fact of life. And it's time you whites stopped apologising for being so successful.
You stupidly imagine that Africa or south America or wherever they went was some sort of paradise before they arrived, with people living in peace a plenty. Think again dude. They were happily killing each other off in inter nation wars. the Aztecs used to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of people in a single religious ceremony.
The european colonisation dragged those places in a great leap forwards. Pity you guys didn't have the cahones to keep what you had won, like China does.
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Mashimaro,

China 21/06/2009 04:22:43
#56 As has any successful nation.
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Mashimaro,

China 21/06/2009 04:24:20
#61 So what do you propose, bring em in for a nice cup of tea? Wake up dude. Seriously. You are selling your culture and power because of some trumped up guilt of the past.
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Smooth Operator,

21/06/2009 06:54:26
Britain has so much blood on it's hands, it's all caught up with them and their economy is now in tatters for many years to come. What you sow you shall reap.
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 21/06/2009 09:22:38
A small suggestion to cover enthusiastic techniques by the world's democratic goverments. Give everyone an unique voting ID. Since that is going to cost a lot of money, ban any money to promote individual political parties. Well if they do not know the name of their representative, he obviously has not been doing his job. Capture both legal and illegal votes and hang the miscreants of the illegal ones, but only in countries that support hanging MP's. Spend the money you saved on the political process on having a heck of a good party and look forward to the next one in maybe ten years. Why should the politicians have a fun time?
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Brunette,

21/06/2009 13:25:04
Evil Britain? Ha, whats new. We all know about Britain's dirty history.
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Dún Aenghus,

05/07/2009 13:32:53
Yes! Britain did have an evil Empire,of that there is no doubt.
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Front Runner,

15/07/2009 16:23:40
Britain has many enemies after gallivanting around the world wreaking havoc. Who do they think they are?

 

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