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Published Date: 12 March 2009
IT HAS become one of the most popular features of the Scottish Parliament building. Carved into the grey wall facing on to Edinburgh's Canongate, the quotations from celebrated Scots are established as an attraction in their own right.
Now the search is on for another wordsmith to join the likes of Robert Burns, Charles Rennie Mackintosh, Robert Louis Stevenson, Alasdair Gray and Andrew Carnegie by having their words immortalised at Holyrood.

Plans were unveiled yesterday to mark the tenth anniversary of devolution by adding a striking new quote to the 25 already on the Canongate wall.

The quotations – which also feature words from the Bible, Sir Walter Scott, Edwin Morgan and Hugh MacDiarmid – were selected from public nominations when the building was being designed by the architect Enric Miralles. A panel comprising MSPs, Robyn Marsack, director of the Scottish Poetry Library, Marion Bourbouze, of the Scottish Book Trust, and the poet Douglas Dunn will draw up a shortlist for the latest addition after nominations close at the end of August.

The winner is due to be chosen in October and the new carving unveiled on St Andrew's Day.

Announcing the start of the search, Alex Fergusson, the parliament's presiding officer, said: "The Canongate wall was always supposed to be a living wall, one that we would add to when the time was right. We believe that as we approach our tenth anniversary, that time is now.

"We are asking people to nominate a well-loved or significant piece of writing that is relevant for Scotland, perhaps something that expresses how they feel about Scotland, what it means to be Scottish, or hopes for the future."

Nominations can be from writers dead or alive, or even anonymous, but no more than 50 words are allowed. Suggestions for writing in English, Gaelic or traditional Scots are being welcomed. Stewart Conn, a former Edinburgh Makar, suggested an extract from fellow poet Nancy Somerville's The Big Hooley, written to mark the open day of the parliament.

Frank McAveety, a former culture minister, said: "The thing about the Canongate wall is there's not much to reflect the nation's sense of humour. I'd love to see something by Bud Neill, the great Glaswegian cartoonist."

Margo MacDonald, the Independent MSP, said: "I know some people do like the wall and it's certainly one of the less controversial aspects of the building, like the leaky roof or the windows that don't keep the rain out. I'd be happy to have 'Here's tae us, wha's like us' myself."



QUOTES ALREADY ON THE WALL

There is hope in honest error;

None in the icy perfections of the mere stylist.

Charles Rennie Mackintosh

Bright is the ring of words.

Robert Louis Stevenson

Work as if you live in the early days of a better nation.

Alasdair Gray

So, cam' all ye at hame wi' freedom

Never heed whit the hoodies croak for doom

In your hoose a' the bairns o' Adam

Can find breid, barley bree an' painted room.

Hamish Henderson, The Freedom come all ye

Put all your eggs into one basket – and then watch that basket.

Andrew Carnegie



Here's a few suggestions...

Academic Derrick McClure, chair of the Scottish Language Forum

Let's ca' in the folk to the auld house
The puir folk a' thegither:
It's sunkit on rock is the auld house
And the rock's their brither.

(From The Auld House by William Soutar, 1898-1943)

Leading chef Tony Singh

Some hae meat, and canna eat,
And some wad eat that want it,
But we hae meat and we can eat,
And sae the Lord be thankit.

Selkirk Grace, by Robert Burns

Former culture minister Frank McAveety

Winter's come the snow has fell
Wee Josie's nose is froze as well
Wee Josie's frozen nose is skintit
Winter's diabolic, intit?

It's Winter, by Bud Neill

James Boyle, former chair of the Scottish Art Council

We the Scottish people undertake
To take just pride in all our diverse tongues,
Folks and customs – and also what is yet
Most distinct in us: our infinite songs,
our profligate invention and our thrawn debate.

From the poem "We, the Scottish people, undertake" by Don Paterson



Do you have any suggestions for a new quote on the Holyrood wall? Leave your comments below

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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 00:09:18
What about.................

'Queue here for the Gravy Train'.
2

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 00:10:18
or.....................

'If there is a 'Y' in the day, it must be time for the SNP to pick a fight with Westminster'.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 00:10:50
or.....................

'AC/DC We Salute You'.
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12/03/2009 00:16:40
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 00:38:59
#4 You should try that post again in English.

Give the readers a chance.
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S'me,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 00:41:35
Upon a hill there stood a coo
Its no there noo.... it must have shifted..
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Gordon S.,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 00:44:39
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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Gordon S.,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 01:06:39
#8 thank you for that I hadn't had my daily gut bursting laugh

cheers
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Gordon S.,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 01:20:30
The comment I wasn't expecting anything funny from this topic. Indeed my message is meant as a tribute to Alex Salmond.
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Gordon S.,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 01:40:12
Aye, well welcome to you, plus I liked the name you chose. I comment on here irregularly, depending on the topic. I wish, like the bbc message board, that you can recommend a comment.
Enjoy
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Arnold Codger,

12/03/2009 02:18:41
We live in interesting times
for in that, at least, we can seek solace
and for our peers history chimes
to the folly of greed and trust forlorn in disgrace.
The highest now lay low
and those pompous agents how know Our place
now garner all they can to hold-on nae they fall below.
Upwards we all can see, what was precious before was poor
public school egos who laughed at you and me
negotiation with all the houses or you face the door
legislate stability, fairness that Scotland may be free!


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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 12/03/2009 03:01:14
how about "welcome to dewers folly,its cost the tax payers tons of lolly"
never mind words of wisdom,just get working hard to solve scotlands problems
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12/03/2009 03:29:55
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12/03/2009 03:53:30
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12/03/2009 04:27:11
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12/03/2009 04:29:16
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12/03/2009 04:32:09
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Arnold Codger,

12/03/2009 04:32:52
Requiem to Scottish Parliament after 10 years

We live in interesting times
in that we seek solace
and for our peers history chimes
folly of greed, nae trust, crawls forlorn in disgrace.
The highest now lay low
those pompous agents who know Our place
garner all to hold-on, nae they fall all below.

Upwards all can see, aw thats’ precious before ‘tis now poor
sweet revenge: public egos who laughed at you and me
negotiation with all the houses Alex is able, or you face the door
legislate stability, fairness that Scotland may be free!

Grand, whit ye mean billions and trillions, is that ten to the nine?
Oh it’s a science project, it just be theoretical.
Naw, it was never to come to this world of mine

Banks are not for you in the long-term, they are sophisticated and run to strict budgets
They don’t take their business to the bars, have weird fetishes and get away with gaffs.
Only once to Westminster, or soon forgotten, your idylls to vote against, forever regrets
Bankers are ‘C’onservative, weird in a way we will never hear, good looking due to holidays in spas.

Follow the party line, don’t whine to the whip, your the member for whatitsname, get in line do pandy
In that tiny town, oh yes sir, don’t take the Rotaries are very blandly.
Not funny anymore, this grates, Scotlands’ waines cannot decree
I Never forget that London banker who scorned - not benignly
They took away your friends, the ones never got to see.
Insurance, aye, its compulsory you know, don’t be pressured you sitting there with our monthly, acting oh so compliantly and complacently
It happened to me, has it happened to you – RBoS,HBoS and banks formed recently.
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Arnold Codger,

12/03/2009 04:34:26
And now i want my complaint again comment 2 to be approved as proper. Thank you.
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 12/03/2009 04:42:17
What about:
"Cheaper than the Trams
But a lot more entertaining"

"Cheaper than the Trams
But we take a lot more people for a ride"

"Please leave your Toom Tabards in the cloakroom on the left"
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 12/03/2009 04:56:59
"For Unionist Members, the Westminster helpline is ......"

"Yes, you can claim that on expenses"

"AGAINST funding the Trams, every single SNP MSP
FOR funding the Trams, everyone single other MSP, including Margo MacDonald"
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12/03/2009 04:58:03
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Letters From Muscat,

edinburgh 12/03/2009 05:20:09
Now , if we all stopped arguing, just think what we could achieve?

I get really fed up with the point- scoring.
But I guess that's human nature.

A fairer deal for pensioners?
A fairer deal for the young?
A fairer deal all round.
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Ron Thomson,

calonge 12/03/2009 05:58:01
Get rid of Salmond he was like Rifkind costing Scotland a fortune, we would then be better off.
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12/03/2009 06:04:29
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 06:24:26
2 posts from 20th Century Gay Boy and they are both about me.

His creepy obsession with me continues.

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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 06:38:06
What about 'Yes we can't'.
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Angleland Isover,

12/03/2009 06:40:59
How about

"Such a parcel of rogues in a nation".
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12/03/2009 06:44:24
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12/03/2009 06:45:23
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 06:50:52
Oh dear. 20th Century Gay Boy is in denial. A bad sign. People can read you know.

On here and on the other thread all he can do is talk about me.

What a weird, creepy, obsessive poster he is.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 06:56:07
20th Century Gay Boy,

Golf?

I bet you will get no birdies, but that will be deemed a success by you.
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Otis B. Driftwood,

Abroad 12/03/2009 07:15:33
How about a quote from "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" ?
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Thrawn,

UK 12/03/2009 07:24:10
What, no mention of the quotation that marked the end of the 1707 Parliament: "There's ane end tae an auld sang"?
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Dug,

Inverness 12/03/2009 07:26:51
#8 and #20
Some of the best ever - you should post more!

Perhaps there should be a comments area just for morons to slag each other off, then the rest of us could make relevant use of these pages without having to wade through masses of self-regarding sh*te.
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12/03/2009 07:33:35
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12/03/2009 07:52:41
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

12/03/2009 07:54:30
Here's something you won't hear me saying often, so rare is it in fact I'll quote myself!

"Well done Labour politician Frank Macavanity, Bud Neill's the wee man."
......................Gussie Fink-Nottle 12/03/2009


A;lthough I have to say I prefer Neill's surreal:

"Budgie's repaired."
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12/03/2009 07:56:29
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12/03/2009 08:00:36
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Gussie Fink-Nottle,

12/03/2009 08:06:15
#58 Mr The Decider. Crivens, you can really sense the cringe oozing out of every one of your pores.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/03/2009 08:07:27
the future wave is Polynesian

So spoke Dick Newick. It's suitably short and pithy to scribe into stone and it could cause people to THINK.

We might convert the Pictish Navy to multihulls as Churchhill once switched to RN from coal to oil for good operational reasons. The British way was then to take over the strategic reserves and if any "Arabs" objected, they'd get a dose of machine guns and poison gas. It set the stage for our current geopolitical ills. "You supply the energy and we'll supply the malaise."

Yet we could signify our new century and new thinking with new dynamic structures. Forward from Scotland's past.
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Stewart_in_Oz,

Alexandra Hills 12/03/2009 08:09:02
Now it seems that Edinburgh has two follies, Carlton Tower and the parliament building.
O' waes me for Charlie or
It cam wi a lass but it gaed lang ago.
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12/03/2009 08:10:48
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 08:11:34
"Do those who lie here, know why that they lie?"
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12/03/2009 08:15:47
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TWC,

Ex Labour 12/03/2009 08:20:25
How about

"Once upon a time there was a Scottish Labour Party....."
or
"Progressive Devoluion was established by the now extinct Labour party....."
or
"I saved the world but I lost Scotland, Sorry ... Gordon Brown; last PM of the UK
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Ewan Randall,

12/03/2009 08:21:05
Wouldn’t these immortal words look fine on that wall?

You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead.
-S. Laurel
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Gordon S.,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 08:26:37
SCAREDANAEBDY

Its always better to act on your first instinct and make the contribution, serious; tongue and cheek whatever. Partially because it reduces the comments of sheep, those who would rather follow then lead.
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12/03/2009 08:28:19
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TWC,

12/03/2009 08:29:19
Has anyone tried to open the Scottish Government submission to calman

http://www.commissiononscottishdevolution.org.uk/uploads/2009-03-11-scottish-government.pdf
It'e the only submission on the whole thing I cannot open and gives an HTTP 404 error

Can anybody else open it or is it awaiting big Gordo's approval?
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TWC,

12/03/2009 08:31:28
70 The decider

"Why is lemon juice mostly artificial ingredients but dishwashing liquid contains real lemons?"

That must be what Labour MSPs suck every morning to look so sour faced
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12/03/2009 08:31:39
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12/03/2009 08:33:03
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12/03/2009 08:33:34
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12/03/2009 08:34:55
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12/03/2009 08:35:12
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Aristotle's Lantern,

Dubai 12/03/2009 08:36:47
I like this quote by Albert Einstein...

"One scientific epoch ended and another began with James Clerk Maxwell"
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Pomodora,

Gravesend 12/03/2009 08:39:14
#8 SCAREDANAEBOY.. Ye Gawds..another clown has joined the circus and is already being welcomed by the crowds in the cheap seats.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 08:45:31
“Devolution will kill the SNP stone dead.”

Lord Nato of Islay.
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Baillie Guthrie,

12/03/2009 08:50:52
" Best placed in Europe to weather the recession"
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 12/03/2009 08:54:27
SCOTLAND'S WINTER - EDWIN MUIR

Now the ice lays its smooth claws on the sill,
The sun looks from the hill
Helmed in his winter casket,
And sweeps his arctic sword across the sky.

The water at the mill
Sounds more hoarse and dull.
The miller's daughter walking by
With frozen fingers soldered to her basket
Seems to be knocking
Upon a hundred leagues of floor
With her light heels, and mocking
Percy and Douglas dead,
And Bruce on his burial bed,
Where he lies white as May
With wars and leprosy,

And all the kings before
This land was kingless,
And all the singers before
This land was songless,
This land that with its dead and living waits the Judgement Day.
But they, the powerless dead,
Listening can hear no more
Than a hard tapping on the floor
A little overhead
Of common heels that do not know
Whence they come or where they go
And are content
With their poor frozen life and shallow banishment.
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Dissector,

Stirling 12/03/2009 08:55:34
It's not the rot in the fabric that is destroys Scotland's worth, it's all rot that comes from inside the building.
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Campaign Lawer,

Elgin 12/03/2009 09:00:01
Scotland
In memory of one of the great oil, gas, whisky and banking nations of the world, stripped of its wealth by a disease called Westminster.
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Mark Insch,

12/03/2009 09:02:23
How about - "We're a' Jock Tamson's Bairns" ??

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Masterpiece,

12/03/2009 09:05:33
Get rid of Bord na Gaidhlig before they destroy the Gaelic language and community.

Alasdair Morrisom must be laughing that the SNP government have taken over where he left of in trying to destroy the Gaelic language.
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Bigwull,

edinburgh 12/03/2009 09:05:47
How about,"2nd rate building for 3rd rate politicians", give us independence and make them work, or remove this un-neccessary tier of government entirely. I mean the world is falling apart all they talk about is increasing the price of drink and taxing chocolate. Not that they pay for anything.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 09:08:13
“The SNP are on a very dangerous tack. What they are doing is trying to build up a situation in Scotland where the services are manifestly better than south of the border in a number of areas, and they are doing it deliberately.”

Baron von Cronberry.
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The Ayrshire Bard,

12/03/2009 09:10:28
Another gem from the quill of Robert Burns.

Why will Great People not only deafen us with the din of their equipage and dazzle us with their fastidious pomp, but they must also be so very dictatorially wise?
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Stan Butler,

12/03/2009 09:18:17

'We didn't mind the economic side so much'

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The Strategist,

12/03/2009 09:18:51
Rules are for the obedience of fools and the guidance of wise men.

Douglas Bader
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Luigiana,

Aberdeen 12/03/2009 09:25:26
How about:

Donald's Folly
He preferred the Holyrood Hostel to the Calton Hotel
He didn't want to be the fool on the hill
But a fool is a fool, wherever he stands.
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Doh,

12/03/2009 09:29:40


Take what you can, give nothing back.

Fred Goodwin, from the pirate's code, well more guidelines...
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Doh,

12/03/2009 09:29:59


Lang mae yer lum reek
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SeriouslyAmused,

Alexandria 12/03/2009 09:32:12
"Ye'r a lang time deid"

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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 09:48:41
I think it should be:

"The poverty of the people, national oppression and the inhibition of culture are one and the same thing." (Frantz Fanon)
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JG,

Fife 12/03/2009 09:49:10
Or the old saying
'God preserve us from people who think they know what they're doing!'
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Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 09:49:26
But I suppose it should really be:

"Bring it on." (Wendy Alexander)
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For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 12/03/2009 09:53:07
Oh Dear Rufus #39: "What about 'Yes we can't'" - that's the unionist chant. Better put as,

"We cannae do it"
"We're gonna show we cannae do it"
"And we're gonna be proud when we show we cannae do it"

"Westminster is a virus
The SNP are the Cure"
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 09:53:53
#22 & 23 Re: Glenrothes

"Don't buy a single vote more than necessary. I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for a landslide.”

Joseph P. Kennedy, 1888-1969

A man who, in my opinion, would have been exceedingly comfortable in Scottish fraction of the Labour Party.
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Ewan Randall,

12/03/2009 09:55:34
Wouldn't these suit the wall?

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"


“Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils.”

“All in all you’re just another brick in the wall”

“WET PAINT!!!”

“IF you can read this you have a future in politics”
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 09:56:34
"Corruption and hypocrisy ought not to be inevitable products of democracy, as they undoubtedly are today”

Mahatma Gandhi 1869-1948)
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Arthur G,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 09:57:50
The more corrupt the state, the more laws

Publius Cornelius Tacit
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Spamhead,

Bathgate 12/03/2009 10:06:58
How about
"ye wull have hud yer tea!"

or the more intellectual
"Get yer t!£$ oot fur the lads"

or Scottish MP's:- faces you would not get sick of slapping
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Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 10:13:43
How about Matthew 7, verses 3-5; the bit about taking the plank out of your own eye before trying to take a speck of sawdust out of your neighbour's; the Latin classic 'Panem et Circensis'; Orwell's "All Animals are Equal, some Animals are More Equal than Others" - but you'd go a long way to beat Burns' "Sic' a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation". Can't see any of them going on the Follyrood Lavvy wall though.
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john birkett,

St Andrews 12/03/2009 10:20:33
Surely these words of the great Honest Abe (not a Scot, though he probably had some Scottish ancestry, and he was an ardent Burns admirer) -
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time".
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 10:21:32
''The only normal and appropriate status for any nation is independence.''
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 10:34:52
117 ''Unionists are to wit what Gordon Brown is to the good management of an economy. Strangers''.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 10:37:30
114
You'd have to provide a photograph.
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Ananurhing,

12/03/2009 10:39:02
"It is not the function of government to keep the citizen from falling into error,
It is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error."

Robert Jackson, Nuremburg Trial Judge.

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Montford's Jaicket,

12/03/2009 10:50:45
We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganised.? I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganising: and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress, while producing confusion, inefficiency and demoralisation.

Caius Petronius - Roman Consul, 66 A.D.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 11:09:21
Riding along on the crest of a slump.
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Ewan Randall,

12/03/2009 11:10:32
(#116) – (Observer) – Is it not incredible that it took the addition of oil to make enough Scots realize that the only normal and appropriate status for any nation is independence?
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yolanda,

12/03/2009 11:11:31

"Good job there's nae pockets in a shroud, cos we've been robbed blind by Labour"
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 11:14:45
123

''there are more questions than answers''.
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yolanda,

12/03/2009 11:15:36

OK, so it's not a Scottish one, but it is from a politician, and it is memorable....

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

Bill Clinton.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 11:24:44
All of Scottish cuisine is based on a dare.

(Mike Myers)
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 11:26:43
"Vote early and vote often." Al Capone.

Dedicated to the tireless Labour activists of Glenrothes.
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Ewan Randall,

12/03/2009 11:30:26
How is this for a corker?

“We Americans live in a nation where the medical-care system is second to none in the world, unless you count maybe 25 or 30 little scuzzball countries like Scotland that we could vaporize in seconds if we felt like it”

-Dave Barry quotes (American Writer and Humorist best known for his weekly newspaper column. b.1947)

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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 11:31:46
“The main purpose of the Labour party is to lower the expectations of the Scottish people”

Lord O’Neill of Clackmannan.
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Shredder,

12/03/2009 11:39:56
#130 bully:" “The main purpose of the Labour party is to lower the expectations of the Scottish people”

Lord O’Neill of Clackmannan.

And just why would someone like you describe that as a bad thing, Bully? The main point of Hitler was to raise the expectations of the German people, and look where that got them!
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Grumpy,

12/03/2009 11:43:53
"Donald Dewar and John Smith - sadly missed"
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 11:51:37
Please do not carve quotes on the brick.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 11:52:20
#131
Well, if you are happy to vote for a party which promises to deliver the worst health statistics in the developed world, increase child poverty, close our hospitals, shred the economy, send our youth to their death in illegal wars, park their WMD in our waters, introduce top-up student fees, and generally preside over a sleaze ridden and corrupt self-serving regime, then Lord O’Neill’s party is the one for you.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 11:52:44
"Jim Murphy-sadly I missed"

Unknown shoe slinger, Dundee.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/03/2009 11:52:49
The crucial point is that Hitler was a British Agent, as were Stalin and Churchill. Win or lose, people don't win major wars; it's the banksters that gain.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 11:52:53
118. And nats are to courtesy what salmond is to dieting!
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Toque,

Brighton 12/03/2009 11:53:06
"If we want to keep the UK together, the Barnett Formula is a small price to pay for that, even though I understand why it causes concern in parts of England." - Tony Blair, June 2007

"Our proposals have been designed to preserve the Union, the sovereignty of Parliament and the separation of powers." - Lord Irvine of Lairg The Lord Chancellor, Opening Address to the Conference on Constitutional Reform in the UK, 17 January 1998

"I feel that devolution has strengthened the UK." - Alistair Campbell, Sunday Herald, 22 February 2004

"Devolution has strengthened the UK, preserving the union on the basis of a fairer partnership." - 2001 Labour Party Manifesto

"Devolution has strengthened Britain because it has allowed the different parts of the UK to give expression to their diversity whilst celebrating the values that bind us together as a nation." - Tony Blair, Foreword to Your Region,Your Choice, May 2002

"Devolution has strengthened the United Kingdom, not weakened it, as opponents once claimed." - Peter Hain, Better Governance for Wales, June 2005

"It is increasingly clear that devolution has strengthened the United Kingdom." - Tony Blair, Hansard, 29 November 2000

"Devolution has created a system which better responds to and reflects the needs of the people and I believe that strengthens the United Kingdom." - Rhodri Morgan, address to the Oxford Union, 13 March 2003

"Devolution has strengthened that democracy, giving Scotland a fresh voice within the United Kingdom." - Jack McConnell, Speech at the Union of the Crowns Dinner, 01 July 2003

"devolution has strengthened their [the Welsh, Scots and Irish] sense of identity so we can now assert Englishness without in any way damaging Britain." - David Blunkett, The Telegraph, 15 March 2005

"Then devolution to Scotland and Wales was a threat to the United Kingdom. Today devolution has weakened the separatists and strengthened the United Kingdom." - Alan Milburn, Speech to the Fabian Society
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 11:57:37
St George

Hi kimba!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:03:28
139. You my friend are a twonker,as for this kimba he/she certainly made an impression on you,but i'm not it.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:10:02
138. Devolution has torn the UK apart,whilst scotland,wales,and northern ireland reaps the benefits England is left paying the bill,while her citizens die because we can't afford the drugs to treat them.
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scully,

Colchester 12/03/2009 12:11:21
When The Power Of Love
Replaces The Love of Power
Then We Shall Have Peace
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Or
The Beginning Of Wisdom
Is to Face The Truth About Yourself
And Act on it
A Wise Man seeks The Truth before dispensing Justice

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stooriefit,

12/03/2009 12:15:36
After some of the gibberish in other posts , a serious suggestion..

Gie's Peace!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:17:47
OR, in this life two things stand like stone,compassion in anothers trouble,courage in your owm.
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TWC,

Ex Labour 12/03/2009 12:18:08
Right guy's who is decider
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 12:21:20
as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:26:53

The British

Take some Picts, Celts and Silures
And let them settle,
Then overrun them with Roman conquerors.

Remove the Romans after approximately 400 years
Add lots of Norman French to some
Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Vikings, then stir vigorously.

Mix some hot Chileans, cool Jamaicans, Dominicans,
Trinidadians and Bajans with some Ethiopians, Chinese,
Vietnamese and Sudanese.

Then take a blend of Somalians, Sri Lankans, Nigerians
And Pakistanis,
Combine with some Guyanese
And turn up the heat.

Sprinkle some fresh Indians, Malaysians, Bosnians,
Iraqis and Bangladeshis together with some
Afghans, Spanish, Turkish, Kurdish, Japanese
And Palestinians
Then add to the melting pot.

Leave the ingredients to simmer.

As they mix and blend allow their languages to flourish
Binding them together with English.

Allow time to be cool.

Add some unity, understanding, and respect for the future,
Serve with justice
And enjoy.

Note: All the ingredients are equally important. Treating one ingredient better than another will leave a bitter unpleasant taste.

Warning: An unequal spread of justice will damage the people and cause pain. Give justice and equality to all.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 12:27:05
"Bill Stickers is innocent."
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 12:32:15
154

'cos it?s kimba/elizabeth the first etc. The Master should appear within the hour.
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The Master,

12/03/2009 12:33:34
"Nationalism is power hunger tempered by self-deception"

I know Orwell wasn't Scottish, but he had a great love of Jura, which means that he counts as an "adopted Scot", and I can well imagine what he would make of the SNP.

The Master demands that Orwell's words be given their deserved prominence to in the SP as a warning of the dangers of Nationalism!
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The Master,

12/03/2009 12:34:39
#155 Hugh: greetings! I usually appear after your fellow Nat the Spook in Leith name checks me, so maybe you've taken over from him as my gatekeeper!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:35:24
154.Warning: An unequal spread of justice will damage the people and cause pain. Give justice and equality to all. Something the people of England are not getting e.g I went into my local Co-op chemist to buy some “seasonal” cough medicine and was surprised to be interrogated by the Pharmacist as to whether I intended to use my 150ml bottle of Benylin Original to refine amphetamines!



Eventually, apologetically, the Pharmacist explained to me that our dear Scottish Prime Minister’s Government has a new cunning plan in the war against the “aulde enemie”.



It appears that our Government is “consulting” on whether all cold remedies that have any medicinal content should be available on a prescription only basis. So that, if in England you need a £2.93 packet of Sudafed to deal with your congestion, you will have to obtain a prescription and pay £7.10. As retailers may have a 100% mark up this will represent a nice little earner for the Alastair Darling’s Treasury. This policy of course has the delightful, fringe benefit that the voters of Alastair Darling and Gordon Brown’s constituency will get their remedies for free!



So you will be faced, dear English reader, with four options:-



1. The Traditional English option i.e. grumble and pay up;

2. The Multi-Culturalist option i.e. move to where you get better benefits, e.g. over the Border;

3. The Green option i.e. go without medicine;

4. The English Democrat’s option, i.e. get a spine and fight for our English right to be treated fairly when it comes in this case to snivelling (and coughing)!
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 12:35:29
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"Look around at this world we've made
Equality our stock in trade
Come and join the Brotherhood of Man
Oh, what a nice, contented world
Let the banners be unfurled
Hold the Red Star proudly high in hand"

;-)
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:38:38
155. Tell you what pal,you can take your "kimba" troll and f==k off, your nothing but a twonker on heat.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 12:39:32
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"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."

Who controls the Scotsman?

Who gives a...
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 12:40:13
St George

Yep it's kimba - English Democrat and nicking quotes and pretending it's her own.

The Master ............as predicted.
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TWC,

12/03/2009 12:42:22
Bully, no honest Scottish Pollitician of any colour could disagree with your idea

"..as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself".
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 12:45:39
158

Benjamin Zephaniah was the poet.

If anyone wishes to read the rest of kimba's musing's you'll find them - word for word - here at the English Democrat site.

http://www.voidstar.com/ukpoliblog/index.php/fid/1282
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écossais at heart,

france 12/03/2009 12:46:39
#151 - nice one!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:47:59
163. NO it isn't,listen you moronic twerp,do not know your kimba,do not want to know your kimba,and as there are over 2 million members of the English democrats you are way out of line matey,in fact it's all most worth taking a day of work to come up there and knock some sense into that belligerent head of yours.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 12:49:55
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Hi kimba!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:51:08
166. What a fast worker, pity your wife doesn't think so!
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 12:51:29
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Morning Hugh, quite a sensible post there, just above kimbas.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:53:30
169. So you think in your small little brain that i'm this kimba troll,give me a time and place pal,only then will you be assured that i'm not your kimba.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 12:55:18
Afternoon Conan. Yep. She comes on in various guises but we all know it's kimba. Note the use of = if it's a "naughty" word. Note the copying of quotes from the English Democrats. Note too that the Master appeared on schedule - as he did yesterday.

The stench of gutted fish is overwhelming.
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TWC,

Ex LAbour 12/03/2009 12:56:54
162 ex labour for life/Democratic Scot

Yes he got thumped(again) with his own lead but strangely the Times guy Ian McLeod & Brian Taylor thought he did well. I knew MCleod was a Labour tout but I always thought Taylor was ok.
The Steak pie pummelled them all again, then some daft wee Labour MSP got up and after salmond telling her that Student debt had been significantly reduced for the firsttime since devolution, she asked what he was doing to help support groups. Salmond compared Scottish debt circ £5k with England it was £9k, and that the Nats had cut tuition fees.

Their real problem is that Labour have no corner to fight, no policies to argue

It is pathetic Labour, get the Fiscal powers and Oil revenues agreed.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 12:57:24

Hugh Roscombe. If your big enough to give it,you are big enough to take it,either put up or shut up!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:00:39
176 You got a date pal,but @ 6ft 3,won't need any mates,except to laugh at you!
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 13:00:58
Jeez is it afternoon already? Time flies when you are trollbaiting.
Have a look at the article though, Dave's advisors seem spot on.
Apart from the tories having 25 seats in Scotland.
That's just silly.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:03:10
174. It's a poem by
Benjamin Zephaniah, that's all get of your high horse.
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Astonished,

Inverclyde 12/03/2009 13:03:42
I would suggest the accurate:

"LABOUR TELL LIES"

or the inaccurate :

"DEVOLUTION WILL KILL THE SNP STONE DEAD" (uttered
by G Robertson, yet another Labour lard )


Anything uttered by Ian "worse than Wendy" Gray is also good for a laugh.


Hope this helps.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 13:04:33
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What are you in your white stilletos?
Do you want to give it or take it?
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 13:06:24
St kimba

How?s yer "teaching" job doing? Is yer dad still working 168 hours a week?
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Machelpus,

12/03/2009 13:06:46
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear. -Harry S. Truman, 33rd US president (1884-1972)


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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 13:07:26
My ' is ? for some reason.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 13:09:02
''Tony Blair is not innocent''
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 13:09:35

''Please do not pee on the pavement''
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:11:05
184. Give me a time and a place you scottish tw=t,that's if you are any kind of man,or are you safe behind your key board,and think you can say what you like to whom you like and be safe!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:13:59
188. LOL, you tw=t,ain't a bird,but if you want your head shoved up your ar=e i'll gladly oblige.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 13:15:47
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Don't you have your brother/boyfriend for that sort of thing?
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 13:16:50
kimba always typed tw=t and ar=e.

Sorry toots - I don't fight girls.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:20:59
194 Good for kimba, guess you don't fight guys either,guess your a bloody coward,told you on severel times i ain't kimba,but your a little twonker who hides behind his key board.
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JT,

12/03/2009 13:23:11
word of wisdom scottish parliament in the same sentence - ha I nearly fell off my chair!
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:25:09
195.give me a time and place in glorious scotland i'll be there,which is more than can be said of you morons.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 13:25:19
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kimba's grammar hasn't improved either.

Does she work 168 hours a week too?
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fiferjohn,

12/03/2009 13:27:40
we the slaves of westminister must keep scotland in poverty and deined them a say in their destiny
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12/03/2009 13:27:59
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But we ARE in a place called Scotland and the time is 1.32 pm as I post.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 13:30:20
Vorsprung durch Technik?
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:34:08
204.Git it Roon' ye
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Transparent?,

Scotland 12/03/2009 13:37:19
“The human mind is seldom satisfied, and is certainly never exercising its highest functions, when it is doing the work of a calculating machine.”

James Clerk Maxwell.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 13:40:51
I like the comparison between posts 209 and 210.

Most educational.
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Transparent?,

Scotland 12/03/2009 13:43:22
#211. Well spotted!
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redcliffe62,

12/03/2009 13:43:37
can we get one from mr cunninghame. mr 40%, which states unless one has 40% support of the people then the outcome is not democratic?
obviously no labour government has ever had that level of support, so the hypocrisy of asking others to do what you cannot do yourself is what we wish to emphasise.
can we get one from the civil servants who claimed that shetland and the orkneys should not be part of scotland as th eoil was really valuable, and with cajoling they might prefer to be run from england?
can we get a comment on the views of the decision makers at westminster including attlee when 2 million people, far more than 40% of the people, signed a covenant after the war to give scotland a say in its future within the united kingdom?
and finally, less tongue in cheek, one from jim baxter after he beat england at wembley in 1967, which from memory said as we beat the world champions then we are
pretty good? someone will know it.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 13:45:00
So pleased.
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DanishBird,

Fife 12/03/2009 13:46:21
Bully's suggestion is perfect..
"..as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself".
Isn't freedom (in one sense or another) what we all (should) strive for?

Alternatively here's a nice wee quote from the most famous Dane ever: “Just living is not enough... One must have sunshine, freedom, and a little flower.” ( Hans Christian Andersen, Danish author, 1805-85)

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12/03/2009 13:46:27
i like macelpus' poignant comment, at #185 or thereabouts, Truman knew the power of stopping dissent and quietening oposition.
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DanishBird,

Fife 12/03/2009 13:48:52
Or as a reminder to always truist our own eyes and instincts..
“`But the Emperor has nothing on at all!' said a little child.” ( H C Andersen)
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'This wall is also available in paperback'
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redcliffe62,

12/03/2009 14:04:16
downloaded domhair, worthy of discussion, but from an english perspective totally understandable; you do not throw away your aces in a game of poker.
if 2 million people really signed up for devolution in a covenant in 1947 how come i have never heard about it ever being discussed in the devolution argument, as if it only became an issue in the 1970's.
the failure of the media to find out what scotland has truly contributed, and therefore confirming or denying the snp's claims in the 1970's is a sad indictment of where power truly lies on this matter.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 14:13:28
219 Traquir , Alba,12/03/2009 13:52:07
I wonder why these Words of Wisdom from Scotland's
favourite Poet don't appear on the wall.
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You would struggle to fit all of that on the Great Wall of China.
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#227 I fear you have a sinking ship there..
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 14:29:39
226 It started in America.But I saved the world.....,12/03/2009 14:17:37
# Primary 3 must bee oot, Rufus has arrived.
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'bee oot'?

What would you know about schooling?
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 14:34:56
235 It started in America.But I saved the world.....,12/03/2009 14:31:49
#232 - so being dyselxic , I am thick!
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I do not see the relationship there at all.

You are just thick.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 14:37:28
238 It started in America.But I saved the world.....,12/03/2009 14:35:09
#232 - come on I am thick according to you, shurely I will be easy to beat in an intelectual debate.....You being the great word of Tory/Labour wisdom.
Scared of little old me woofus....The remark above has rattled your feathers and got you thinking of the "Am I / Aren't I " type scenario!
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Crystal Meth could be to blame.
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John H C,

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I have not wasted my time reading all the mud slinging above but would like to contribute to the original request. i.e. a quotation for the wall. The following,by Sir Walter Scott,is worth noting. I do not have the full verse but part goes:- "Lives there a man with soul so dead- who never to himself has said- this is my own my native land" This is inscribed on a wall overlooking the Meldon Hills, called Scotts View, near Melrose where Sir Walter Scott paused on his many rides through the Scottish borders.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 14:43:30
244 Don't shout.

You may burst a blood vessel.

Stick to reading the Beano.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 14:48:50
I just watched Diomhair again.

What a program.

Bound to get an Oscar for the best foreign language work of fiction in 2009.
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The rose of all the world is not for me.
I want, for my part,
Only the little white rose of Scotland,
That smells sharp and sweet,
And breaks the heart.

H MacDiarmid
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John H C,

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OOps big error The hills are the Eildon Hills. The Meldons are in Peeblesshire. Sorry
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St.George,

12/03/2009 15:03:02
221/222. Are you as thick as you make out,or are you just an attention grabber,either way i would suggest you go forth and multiply.
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Fear not each sudden sound and shock,
'Tis of the wave and not the rock;
'Tis but the flapping of the sail,
And not a rent made by the gael!

By now the £ had sunk so low,
E'en Mandelson coudn't give it a blow.
Th'Economy was all ripped to shreds;
Enter Cameron as new Grocer Ted.

(Only the english could write this stuff and call it literature)

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12/03/2009 15:11:56
267.Va te faire foutre, trouduc.
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#268 St George

he has a point. 2 million members would be incredible given the Labour Party has only 10% of that. Did you mean 2 thousand?
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273. "My leader" who would that be then?
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Otis B. Driftwood,

12/03/2009 15:23:18
From a Google search of Scottish sayings:(Most I'd never heard).
"The worst cow in the fold, lows the loudest."
"Wide ears and short tongues are best".
"Calling names brakes no bones"
"They that love must speak least"
"A fool may ask more than
any wise man can ever answer"

Best for me is:
"Whisky may not cure the common cold,
but it fails more agreeably than most other things"
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St.George,

12/03/2009 15:24:33
280 My leader as you say is Robin Tilbrook head of the English Democrats,yours is apparantly gollum!
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bill-alba,

fife 12/03/2009 15:33:11
how about "cap in hand"
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W Smith,

Middle East 12/03/2009 15:43:04
"We'll set about you",

John Smeaton.
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The Master,

12/03/2009 15:47:38
#270 Spook: " Hows it going The Master ? Still by the water of Leith, fu#k hopefully in it!!"

Yes, I am rather fond of a drink (once fallen in that particular river as a result: many years ago, before the railings were put up on the approach to Roseburn Cliff).

As a fellow drinker, I hope you'll join me in condemning the Nats' attempt to deprive us Scots of the one thing we really love, ie our booze! About time the Nats learnt the lessons from the prohibition era in America, but all their policies are crackpot anyway, from the separation policy down...

Glad to see the Saint's giving as good as he gets: it's beyond me why everyone seems to confuse him with kimba: after all, he's a family man from Yorkshire rather than an overweight shell suited girl from Teeside lmao
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FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 12/03/2009 15:59:19
What on earth is this all about? Doesn't inspire one with confidence for the Scots.

Anyway my suggestion: "The dilithium crystals'll no' take it, Captain!"
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 16:22:17
Wow lots of pens out today, what about a mural of a boxing match ? Or a general brawl. Very Scottish.
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Edinburgh 12/03/2009 16:22:27
For that is the mark of the Scots of all classes:
that he stands in an attitude towards the past
unthinkable to Englishmen, and remembers and
cherishes the memory of his forebears, good or
bad; and there burns alive in him a sense of identity
with the dead even to the twentieth generation.
Robert Louis Stevenson
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit 12/03/2009 16:31:28
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for the crooks who built and work in this place to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 17:25:35
Who's in charge of the red pen today then?
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Ewan Randall,

12/03/2009 17:31:41
(#292) – (Peter) – Can you just imagine all those relieved people out there breathing a sigh of relief given they must of believed they had been abused?

Can you imagine the Nazis quoting Austen so to excuse their crimes?

Have you heard of confirmation bias?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 17:42:50
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"Silly things do cease to be silly if they are done by sensible people in an impudent way,Herr Obergruppenfuhrer."
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Scottish Toryboy is back,

12/03/2009 17:45:48
The cries of the cybernats are high-pitched, grating and nasty to listen to.

No wonder the Scotsman's "seen red" once too often!
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12/03/2009 17:51:55
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"Where any one body of educated men, of whatever denomination, are condemned indiscriminately, there must be a deficiency of information, or...of something else."
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ThePeter,

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Surely at the end of the day words of wisdom and the scottish parliament is an oxymoron????
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12/03/2009 18:09:48
#321: you'd think you'd be safe on a message board for stuffy political types, but there you are…
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St.George,

12/03/2009 18:12:28
Home-Thoughts, from Abroad
Robert Browning 1812-89

Oh, to be in England Now that April's there,
And whoever wakes in England
Sees, some morning, unaware,
That the lowest boughs and the brushwood sheaf
Round the elm-tree bole are in tiny leaf,
While the chaffinch sings on the orchard bough
In England - now!
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Scottish Toryboy is back,

12/03/2009 18:15:05
I may not be in the first spring of youth but my son is a Michael Jackson fanatic and left home at eight o'clock on Thursday morning to queue up to see him. That says it all.

#324: you been to the O2 to see Jacko, Saint? You're missing yourself if you haven't!
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:20:59
"He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. The First Minister really is an idiot."

Groucho Marx
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The Master,

12/03/2009 18:24:03
O Rose, thou are sick!
The invisible worm
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm,
Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy

(William Blake)

The rose is, of course, Scotland and the "invisible worm" is Nationalism.

Is the Master right, or is the Master right!
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12/03/2009 18:24:58
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Good Evening Rufus.Would that be the First Minister of Freedonia?
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 18:28:32
"Thieving, lying, snouts-in-the-trough, hock yer gran for a fiver, sleekit bar stewards.

Meths & "Hoots" Fandango about ZanuLabour.
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Scottish Toryboy is back,

12/03/2009 18:31:08
You wanna stay alive, better do what you can. So beat it, just beat it.

The message of the mainstream parties to the Nats in the Scottish Parliament.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:31:54
Hi Conan, the board has been infested with weirdos today.

Have you seen Diomhair yet?

Thats whats happening dude.

Everybody is talking about it from New York to Bangkok.

Personally I found it very educational. I now know that Gaelic for 'Special Branch' is 'Special Branch'.
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St.George,

12/03/2009 18:35:46
326. Are you f=cking short sighted,it says clearly Robert Browning!
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:39:29
I see Dionhair has had a massive 82 views on Youtube.

Over 20 of them were me as I kept going back again and again as it was so funny.

The London Olympics promo video has had nearly 8000 hits.

That will Traquir choking on his haggis.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 18:42:29
337

I bit-torrented it. I'll catch it later.
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Scottish Toryboy is back,

12/03/2009 18:43:43
It's close to midnight and something evil's lurking in the dark, oh look it's a cybernat!
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:46:12
An Olympic Logo video on You Tube has had 11,596 hits.

Diomhair is still stuck at 82.

You Tube will probably pull it again due to lack of interest.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:48:44
338 Hugh Roscombe,

Don't hold your breath Hugh.

Make sure you have plenty of coffee to hand along with matchsticks to prop open your eyelids.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 18:50:19
Yes Rufus, I've seen it(well, some of it-was pished)the first time on Boxing Day last year.
Someone put it on youtube, yet it was taken off again the next day.
Is somebody worried about it getting a wider audience, do you think?
Why would that be?
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:52:28
345 Conan the Librarian™,12/03/2009 18:50:19
Is somebody worried about it getting a wider audience, do you think? Why would that be?
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Probably a copyright issue I would guess.
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Scottish Toryboy is back,

12/03/2009 18:53:19
Unlike that Rufus troll, Michael is not gay in fact gay means happy so he is happy
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 18:56:30
I note that my previous post below has received some support.

For the purposes of accuracy, I would humbly point out that the words are not originally mine, but are taken from The Declaration of Arbroath, and were written in 1320.

They are however as equally apposite now, as they were then.

“as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 12/03/2009 18:57:58
Michty !

This board`s suffering a mince overload today.

How about:-

"I have been cleared of any intentional wrongdoing"
-Wendy Alexander

"Those e-mails are in the public domain"
-Jackie Bailie

"Chronic surplusses of revenue"
-Gavin McCrone

"I have saved the world"
-Gordon Brown

or my personal favourite :-

"You can live more in five minutes of going fast on a motorcycle than you can in a lifetime of plodding along at an easy pace"
-Burt Munro
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 18:59:26
Traquir

"So just what impact is Scotland getting from the London Olympics."

Stop crying like a baby Traquir.

London got the Olympics and Glasgow got the Commonwealth Games.

That sums up both places perfectly.
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12/03/2009 19:01:00
357 bully wee alba,Edinburgh 12/03/2009 18:56:30
“as long as but a hundred of us remain alive, never will we on any conditions be brought under English rule. It is in truth not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom -- for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.”
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Dear oh Dear.

Bully Boy will be quoting Mel Gibson in a minute.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 19:01:31
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sm753
What, they proposed to publish the McCrone Report?
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12/03/2009 19:03:16
331. There was a old git called hugh,
who quite frankly didnae have a clue,
he thought he was smart,'til he fell on his ar=e
then needed a scan or two!
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The Strategist,

12/03/2009 19:07:00
When in danger or in doubt
Unionists run in circles, scream and shout




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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 19:11:11
361
"The chain in those handcuffs is high-tensile steel. It'd take you ten minutes to hack through it with this. Now, if you're lucky, you could hack through your ankle in five minutes. Go."

How many times would you have liked to say that to someone?

Don't answer that.
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotsman 12/03/2009 19:11:49
Posts 1 - 5. And he's off Rufarse t Firefly, posts almost 30 minutes before the rest of us.
Must be great to work for the Lie-bour and corruption sponsored Scotsman.
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PointOf View,

Bonny Scotland 12/03/2009 19:12:53
Ha ha ha, 374 meant to be Bonny Scotland!;-)
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 19:15:13
#361 Rufus
Is there not some forum somewhere where children can discuss how to play with their new plasma cars and how to zap people with their blue ray-guns?
Surely you would find such a site more appropriate to your level of intelligence and communication skills?
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 19:29:57
Bully Boy, what is a 'Plasma Car'?

Is this something you made up?

I am sure you can explain it to me.

You really have 'hurt me to the quick' as you would say.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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12/03/2009 19:32:08
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#361 Rufus
Is there not some forum somewhere where children can discuss how to play
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The closest I could find to this was at http://www.snp.org/home/.
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bully wee alba,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 19:39:39
#389 Rufus

Worry not, the medication you will require to alleviate your “hurt quick” is available on the Scottish NHS, at a reduced price than you would have to pay for a similar prescription in England.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 19:41:38
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And you still haven't answered Tormod's question I see:-)
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 19:48:11
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There you have it people, the SNP are potential traitors.

Just to what or who I wonder?
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Ewan Randall,

12/03/2009 19:49:55
(#320) – (Peter) – “It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid” (George Bernhard Shaw)

Are you sincerely trying to use humour to cover yourself?

Who is bringing the art of umbrage to a new level of hubris now?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 20:12:57
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Good Evening Col.
I have to go to the "News" tab, sign on there, then go to the thread I wish to post on.

So it isn't just me, I was getting paranoid.

Hang on, the Col. is another cybernat...

...I'm getting paranoid again.
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Glasgow 12/03/2009 20:20:02
394 I've read some damn silly posts from you but that is the best/worst yet. Unionist myth busting - it is NOT OK to spy on democratic political parties, even if they threaten the future of the Union. Nationalism does not equate to terrorism, and nationalists are not traitors to anything. Fact.

The Union was constructed, it can be de-constructed, and there ain't a damn thing MI5, MFI, the CIA, JFK, ICI or any other combination of letters/numbers can legitimately do about it.
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Conan the Librarian™,

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I think the key word was "legitimately" Observer.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 20:26:22
411 Yes, there are a few illegitimates ranged against us.

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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 20:28:04
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How's the garage getting on;-)

Why haven't you visited the blogosphere Col?
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 20:32:25
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Lol.

Illegitimi non carborundum!
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Conan the Librarian™,

http://mypseudepigrapha.blogspot.com/ 12/03/2009 20:38:11
A keyboardful eh?
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Glasgow 12/03/2009 20:43:48
419 When even Stella Rimington, of Smee's MI5 fame, says the UK is becoming a Police state, I think it's a safe bet to say we are not being paranoid.
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Desmo,

Lumphinnans 12/03/2009 20:45:09
#410 Observer

Got to agree with Conan on that one.

There may indeed be nothing they can "legitemately" do but, as we`ve seen to our cost, that will not stop them doing it.
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JimN,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 20:52:33
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.
W.B. Yeats.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 20:53:02
421 Correct, and there are numerous examples of occasions where the state has explicitly broken the law both domestically and abroad.

But people like Smee will try and give these covert and illegal actions a mask of legitimacy by claiming it is to forestall terrorism or the like. The facts are that terrorists don't have to obey the law. States, and politicians, do. When they don't, they relinquish the right to be respected.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:03:40
A lot of music videos are also to be pulled from YouTube.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 21:03:42
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Good one JimN

A terrible beauty is born...
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 21:13:20
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And in your blog, it all vanishes from attention after February.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 12/03/2009 21:14:18
The £ was sinking like a stone
Till Brown told Brits to show some back bone
"We'll call a summit in the London docks"
And tho' another Dundee factory shuts, it gives us hope ..

(McGonanagle - Finney)

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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:14:48
Back to the article.

"Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country. "
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:17:33
... or even better...

Oh ye canny shove yer granny aff a bus.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:19:30
I could fair go an Aberdeen Buttery.
Or a Forfar Bridie.

Can't get them here.
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:20:16
sm

Is your blog the same as AM2's blog?
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Haymarket,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 21:24:22
I propose the following lines from Burn's To a Louse:

O would some Power the gift to give us
To see ourselves as others see us!
It would from many a blunder free us,
And foolish notion:
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:25:48
436 update

It's just that the "occasional" spelling mistake is the same "occasional" spelling mistake that AM2 does.

I'm not saying you're one and the same - maybe you're pinching bits from HIS blog - or vice versa.

(Ahem)
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Hugh Roscombe,

12/03/2009 21:26:18
Mañana peeps.
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Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 21:27:41
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I'd like to make it independent, Hugh.

Does that count?

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It depends how evil your granny was surely?

Notice Rufus NEVER speaks about his granny...
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12/03/2009 21:45:13
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I couldn't possibly comment Col.

But Unionists will do anything to defend their Union.

If granny shows Nationalist tendencies...
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krusty the klown,

12/03/2009 21:50:00
Is this the wee parlie looking for ideas via the hootsmon?

Well - how's about:

'Herein lies (and?) show-business for ugly people...'

Attributed to perhaps B Connolly?
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redcliffe62,

12/03/2009 21:52:42
As Brown's pound drops like a stone yet again today to a new record low against the mighty Icelandic krona, I took solace that at least Joke would have made money had he gone to Malawi. Unfortunately the Malawi peanut has gained hugely against the pound, like nearly every other currency in the world, and not just those in the arc of prosperity, which are all gaining nicely thankyou!
Zimbabwe,and Romania (with a marginal increase of 2%)are two of very few where the pound has gained. Sums up where Britain stands economically, under the careful control of Lunatics Pty Ltd.
This drop would have been good for exports if there still was a manufacturing industry, but lousy for imports.
If you were from abroad, would you invest in Britain when the return in US dollar terms is less than virtually every other country? Do the maths Mandelson and Darling! When the ratings come out from Standard and Poor, if Britain gets itself back on a par with Romania I would expect a B minus or C plus plus plus. You would not invest in a sinking ship that has been holed before the plimsoll line, and this is the same scenario economically.
What will be released in 30 years in the archives about all this will be very interesting.
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redcliffe62,

12/03/2009 21:56:35
I genuinely cannot see how Brown can literally afford to be honest about PFI figures in an accurate audit without the information confirming he has bankrupted the country.
Fudging the oil production and revenue figures was one thing, but the world is watching and they do not believe anything Brown says on money.
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krusty the klown,

12/03/2009 22:05:09
448,449 - so, you want all of this on the wall? Might need an edit
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mangerton,

Dundee 12/03/2009 22:11:44
We need to raise the tone here. The classics....

"Si tacuisses, philosophus manisses." (Boethius)

I'm sure a translation is not required for the erudite posters here, but just in case, very loosely:

"It is better to say nothing and be thought stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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Phil1,

Edinburgh 12/03/2009 22:20:38

We are here to serve
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RufusT-Firefly,

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#407
Why he would think i am gay because i have the word "boy" in my moniker is a bit of a mystery,i thought even he would have known it was a well known T-REX song.
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Where did I say you were gay because of your moniker?

Provide the link.

Once again you are talking absolute drivel.

Check out my next post, that clearly explains why you are GAY.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 22:28:53
Anyone remember this post....................
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221 20th Century boy,24/02/2009 15:30:10
Just saw a cracking photy on the front page of the Courier today.

There at the podium , in full colour with the STARS AND STRIPES on one side, and the SCOTTISH SALTIRE on the other, is a TRUE STATESMAN and OUR FIRST MINISTER the one and only ALEX SALMOND.

He looks SOOOO handsome and i'm SOOOO proud to be a jock.
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There is nothing wrong with being gay, 20th Century Boy. You should however raise your standards.
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RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 22:36:21
20th Century G. boy threatening violence.

TUT TUT

I have never slept a wink since.

In fact every time I see Julian Clarey, Graeme Norton or Alan Carr on TV, I get reminded of 20th Century's terrifying threat.

Every time I turn a street corner I am always worried he is going to jump out and smear me with lipstick.
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Glasgow 12/03/2009 22:41:08
FAO all men.

As all women know, heterosexual men do not give two hoots about whether other men are homosexual or not. When a supposedly ''straight'' man shows a view of being gay as if there is something ''wrong'' with it, all women of his acquaintance will immediately think that he is a closet gay himself.

I just thought you should all be aware of that.

Cheers.
397

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:04:05
FAO OBSERVER

Have you beaten up anyone in the Ladies Loos recently?
398

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:09:28
459 You are entirely correct - which is perhaps why I cannot recall any posts in which you have felt it necesary to introduce the subject.

460 Rufus - I do wish you would stop repeating half-posts which were NOT INTENDED FOR YOU. You are the posting equivalent of a sneak, an eavesdropper, a wee grass who listens in to an exchange between two posters and then repeats an edited version of it ad nauseum thinking that it makes you look clever. It doesn't.
399

Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 23:10:04
460
Why would you want to know, Rufus?
400

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:29:09
461 Observer,,Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:09:28
460 Rufus - "a wee grass who listens in to an exchange between two posters and then repeats an edited version of it ad nauseum thinking that it makes you look clever."
======================================================

Okay then, here is the unedited version...........

15 Observer,,Glasgow 01/03/2009 12:24:32
10 Muriel Gray ? Ha ! Don't get me started on that cow....I gave her a doing once in the ladies toilets in Maestros. T'was many many years ago.
401

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:31:00
461 Observer,,Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:09:28

460 Rufus - I do wish you would stop repeating half-posts which were NOT INTENDED FOR YOU. You are the posting equivalent of a sneak, an eavesdropper, a wee grass who listens in to an exchange between two posters
====================================================

Observer, this is a newspaper forum you dimwit.

Do you really think you can conduct one to one conversations on it?

JEEZO.
402

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:32:51
16 Observer,,Glasgow 01/03/2009 12:27:09
15 when I say a doing that is weegie for a fight that I won, being a fellow female.
=====================================================

Observer, bragging about violence.

Deary Me.
403

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:34:08
17 Fifi la Bonbon,01/03/2009 13:49:00
It seems clear enough. Observer assaulted someone famous and more talented and successful than her in the toilets, and is now boasting about it. Well I'm impressed.
404

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:41:34
466 LOL quoting fifi trixibelle, this is sewious.

Print the entire exchange with the other poster (which has been going on for some time) that will set it into context and keep you busy for the next six months:-)

I'm not going to acknowledge this again, I just thought I'd let you know I've seen your behaviour and it's childish.
405

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:45:18
Observer on a night out..................

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_1zLNV2F_hRE/R0_R7tbQD-I/AAAAAAAAAic/thpQ_Wp0VPA/s400/man%2520and%2520woman%2520fighting.jpg
406

Conan the Librarian™,

12/03/2009 23:46:58
466
Rufus...It's Murial Gray.

Have you read any of her...um...books?

407

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:47:59
Observer, I could not care less if you acknowledge your bragging of violence or not.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Its hard to reconcile the bleeding heart 'Gaza Observer' with the Weegie thug that attacks women in toilets and then publicly brags about it.
408

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:51:36
469 Conan the Librarian™,12/03/2009 23:46:58
466
Rufus...It's Murial Gray.

Have you read any of her...um...books?
===================================================

Good point, Observer must have beaten up the wrong person.

No I have never read any of her books.

Very sadly, I know she has a brain damaged son, caused by him falling into a garden pond.
409

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:52:00
LOL Rufus - you need to go to propoganda school. You are completely rubbish at it. If you go away I will tell the other posters what it was about. But not if you're listening, 'cause you're a big blabber-mouth.
410

RufusT-Firefly,

12/03/2009 23:54:54
You can LOL all you want Observer.

Violence is not the answer.
411

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:56:14
471 Keep you faux piety, the posts you have made. Making a joke of Abu Ghraib.
412

Observer,,

Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:58:34
473 You are quite right. I had my altercation in about 1983 I think. I've lived and learned. Shame you still justfy violence to thousands, but there you go.
413

Conan the Librarian™,

13/03/2009 00:02:57
471
So, she has a disabled child.
Lets not disparage her then.

She is a paragon of weegie toilet arguments.

She can hold her own in a horror-type literature thingy.

She has nice spiky blonde hair.
414

Conan the Librarian™,

13/03/2009 00:06:05
473
Why are the defence budgets so high then Rufus?
415

RufusT-Firefly,

13/03/2009 00:06:54
475 Observer,,Glasgow 12/03/2009 23:58:34
473 You are quite right. I had my altercation in about 1983 I think. I've lived and learned. Shame you still justfy violence to thousands, but there you go.
=====================================================

1983.

Observer beat up Muriel Gray in 1983.

And she is still bragging about it on the internet on the forum of a family newspaper.

How sad.

416

RufusT-Firefly,

13/03/2009 00:07:52
477 Conan the Librarian™,13/03/2009 00:06:05
473
Why are the defence budgets so high then Rufus?
=====================================================

Because you never know when you are going to be attacked by violent people like Observer.
417

Elizabeth Martin Peel,

Los Angeles, CA 13/03/2009 00:08:59
"No change is no option."

Sir Stewart Sutherland
University of Edinburgh
Former Principal and Vice-Chancellor
418

RufusT-Firefly,

13/03/2009 00:09:55
An old photo of Observer on a night out in Panama Jacks.

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/2/6/7/267a43f6480a52be516ba5a4cf5536d6.jpg
419

Conan the Librarian™,

13/03/2009 00:14:33
Rufus, you must have been beaten up in a students union, somewhere, surely?

And you wouldn't want that wee lassie to miss out on her wee bit o' fame now?
420

RufusT-Firefly,

13/03/2009 00:21:30
482 Conan the Librarian™,13/03/2009 00:14:33
Rufus, you must have been beaten up in a students union, somewhere, surely?
======================================================

Not me mate.

I was too busy enjoying myself.
421

Conan the Librarian™,

13/03/2009 00:29:00
483
A person who has quite strong views about "various" things, NEVER got into a fight?

Were you a liberal then?
422

Tommy Knocker,

Edinburgh 13/03/2009 11:21:23
"God have mercy on this afflicted country."
Last words spoken by the Marquis of Montrose, before he was hanged on the 21st May 1650, here in Edinburgh
423

Geo123,

Central Scotland 19/03/2009 13:00:14
Here are three quote's that are not borrowed from someone elses intelligence.

"To give any government an inch of power, is to trade your countries future in for a rosy past"

"You can see me, you can feel me, so why can you not hear me?"

"Give me a voice and I will tell you a story, take my voice and you become my story"

Is it not time that people started being themselves instead of copying the past. After all where where is this thought pattern going to lead?

 

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