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Published Date: 09 December 2008
IT DIVIDES opinion like no other Scottish landmark. Hailed as an architectural treasure and derided by taxi drivers – the Scottish Parliament building makes an impact on all who see it.
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Now the parliament, which cost more than £430 million, took over seven years to build, and was the source of one of Scotland's longest-running political arguments, has been voted the eighth ugliest building in the world.

The building, completed in 2004, may have attracted more than 1.5 million tourists to Scotland, but has still been called "a bag of nails" by tourist experts who have slated the design.

Giampiero Ambrosi, VirtualTourist.com's general manager, who conducted a poll to the find the least attractive buildings in the world, said: "People either love the Scottish Parliament or hate it. Many believe it has all the charm of a bag of nails.

"Stone, oak and bamboo comprise the buildings that make up the Scottish Parliament. Hopefully the discussions that take place inside the building are more decisive than the ones that take place about it."

The building was designed by the late Catalan architect Enric Miralles, who died of a brain tumour aged 45 – four years before the parliament was completed.

Original estimates suggested that the project would cost about £40 million – it didn't.

Boston's City Hall was voted the world's ugliest building, with Montparnasse Tower in Paris second and the Lucky Shoe Monument of Finland third.

Britain's ugliest building was the Metropolitan Cathedral in Liverpool which came in fourth and the Port Authority Bus Terminal in New York City was fifth. Torres de Colon in Madrid was voted sixth and the Liechtenstein Museum of Fine Arts seventh. The Birmingham Central Library was ninth and the Peter the Great Statue in Moscow was tenth.

Peter Wilson, an architect and director of business development for Napier University's Centre for Timber Engineering, said that the parliament building was ridiculous.

He said: "Everyone from taxi drivers to media commentators still refer to the 'bamboo poles' in front of the MSP office windows and over the entrance canopy. The latter – actually made of laminated oak – have just been expensively replaced because the originals weathered very badly, very quickly. Bamboo might arguably have done the job better."

George Reid, Holyrood's first presiding officer, said the building displayed "extraordinary architectural ambition" when it won the Stirling Prize for architecture in 2005.

But the independent MSP Margo MacDonald said the building should have topped the ugly poll. She said: "I think this is a marvellous result. We might have come first. Unfortunately it's no laughing matter when you consider the amount spent on maintenance, refurbishment and general running costs of the building."

A Scottish Parliament spokeswoman said: "Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

"However with more than 1.5 million visitors and nine architectural awards, including the Stirling Prize, it is clear many people also highly rate Holyrood's design."


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1

Professor-Quincy-Adams-Wagstaff ,

08/12/2008 22:58:44
Only the 8th ugliest building in the world?

I could have built a better parliament with a box of Lego.

Time it was demolished and turned into an amusement park
2

PockSuppet,

09/12/2008 00:05:43
Seriously!

Does that person not have a pooper-scooper?
3

PockSuppet,

09/12/2008 00:16:23
*Horse Feathers" - another Marx brothers movie.

Prof. Quincy Adams Wagstaff

Rufus lacks imagination!
4

Isonomia,

Lenzie 09/12/2008 00:39:22
It is the symbol of Scottish government - a consultation for a design that was not a consultation as someone had already decided that their chum was going to get the contract to build the most ugly building in the world whatever the Scots public said!
5

Ju@n Kerr - the ex labour sheep,

09/12/2008 00:41:49
"However with more than 1.5 million visitors and nine architectural awards, including the Stirling Prize,"

WHICH THEY SPONSORED! LAUGHABLE

Designed by Labour Mps by commitee, Donald telling eduardo he has a "blank cheque" And did nobody think single skin concrete would NOT resemble a car park?

6

Professor-Quincy-Adams-Wagstaff ,

09/12/2008 00:51:48
Once Salmond gets his statue erected in front of the parliament building I am sure it will move up to position 1.
7

Jimbo2,

09/12/2008 00:53:03
The Labour Party are responsible for this monstrosity - and they did it on purpose. It was to be that rather than have a real Parliament building on Calton Hill, or as Dewar termed it, a Nationalist Shibboleth.

Labour fear Scottish heritage and culture in case it stirs national pride, therefore they do their utmost to suppress it.
8

drunken proffet,

Tassy 09/12/2008 01:16:23
I have only seen photos of it, but I seem to remember the design of the Sydney Opera House took a bit of flack when it was published. There is a chance that fifty years from now instead of "Aaaagh!" the comments could be "It is certainly unusual with a lot of charm, especially the bits that have been updated (repaired)" It does not have to be beautiful to stick in folk's minds.
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09/12/2008 01:22:44
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Guga II,

Rockall 09/12/2008 01:24:41
#8 drunken proffet.

Do you seriously think that this badly built slum will last for fifty years before it either falls down or has to be pulled down?
12

!Ya basta!,

09/12/2008 01:30:21
I am still not sure about the overall effect close up (it looks better from the air form a distance) but parts of the exterior design are interesting for sure. The inside of the building though is mostly really good, especially the chamber.

I remember during the debate about whether to even build somehting that Canyon Kenon Wright (?) said that "the building wins". He mean that good buildings tend to engender "good" organsiations. So I wonder what effetc the building has had on the political process itself. Anybody?

I know its taken a lot of stick but I still think it was a better option than doing something retrogressive and neo-classical up on Calton Hill or elsewhere.
13

EPS,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 01:41:23
#12 Canon Kenyon Wright!
14

Guga II,

Rockall 09/12/2008 01:48:12
#12.

"it looks better from the air from a distance"

What, from Mars?
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09/12/2008 02:07:08
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tomi,

09/12/2008 02:11:03
Perhaps we should send a beggimg letterr to Al Qaida's bomb makers.
18

tomi,

09/12/2008 02:12:24
Oops! Censor that thought!
19

W Smith,

Middle East 09/12/2008 02:53:36
To think some Labour voters in Scotland have doubts over Trump's golf course.

Whats the bet Trump's golf course won't turn out like this midden!

For the same cash Scotland could have had a world class stadium with a roof. Thats assuming the civil servant in charge has construction experience and isn't a buddy of the late Donald Dewar.

The one in Cardiff only cost 130 million quid.

BTW
I thinks Miralles was a drug user.
20

Davipot,

Adelaide 09/12/2008 03:20:18
Nationalist shibboleth on Calton Hill infinitely better option than this. Money could have been better spent on Education Health. Disgraceful decision.
21

Sean K,

Elgin 09/12/2008 04:53:12
Fully agree with Margo Macdonald and the bloggers above who think the description - 8th ugliest building in the world, is no understatement.

It is totally out of kilter with Scottish architecture and its historic capital, and as has often been remarked - resembles a huge carbuncle.

It is also a classic example of a badly mismanaged and grossly over-budget project that the taxpayers had to foot the bill for, - all the work of New Labour and its Lil-Lab partners, and media sycophants like Kirsty Wark.
22

Bluevoice,

Dubai, U.A.E. 09/12/2008 05:27:02
I missed all the hoo-ha during the building of the Scottish Parliament and when I visited Edinburgh again was curious to see it finished. It didn't really make any impression on me one way or the other as a building but, as with all architecture, it was its location that finally made my mind up. I think it just doesn't fit in with the surroundings and that is why it looks ugly.
23

Bluevoice,

Dubai, U.A.E. 09/12/2008 05:27:29
... that and the price tag!
24

2ndgenerationscot-american,

Denver, Colorado USA 09/12/2008 05:37:07
The Holyrood parliament building in
Edinburgh earns hoots and well-deserved
European whistles. The exterior is awful.
An avant-garde statement of someone's
idea of a bad night's sleep devoted to
Dr. Caligarie's cabinet of anomie. (I take
note of one commentator's opinion about
the interior of same building being quite
workable and very good. I wish that
person had expanded on that.) As I
walked by it on a late weekday night in
March 2007, I was struck by its architect-
ural ridiculousness after already seen
fantastic (perhaps over-imperial, as if I
really minded) 18th- and 19th century
downtown buildings, the fortress upon
the hill, the statuary and so on. There
is this fight between the past and the
present in Scotland. There's a
disconnect there. If the Scots had been
more confident in themselves, that
building would never have happened.
Knock it down? Of course. You could
even preserve its interior.
25

Pilrig.,

Livingston 09/12/2008 05:40:58
21 - the same Margo MacDonald who voted in favour of the Embra tram scheme ?
Also wait until the multi-storey horror at Haymarket is built...
26

Anonym,

09/12/2008 05:43:08
Apart from the outrageous cost over runs, and the rubbish 'modern art gallery' style of the place, what annoys me about this building is that they closed off a good direct route between Tollcross and Easter Road.

How do they get away with this?

Compare that daft looking wee place with other buildings around the world... how did it cost so much? How did it happen?
27

Dave James,

Las Vegas, Nev, USA 09/12/2008 05:55:18
It has been my experience that once a public building contract has been let AND it allows for any changes, what so ever, it will end up over budget and behind schedule. Every entity with two or less functioning legs and an opinion will somehow bludgeon a change in the design. That it will lack any regard to the original plans is of no matter. What you get, in the end, is a concert of egos.
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Saul Tyre,

Germany 09/12/2008 06:12:39
The design reminds me more of the headquarters of some software company than of the parliament building of a great and ancient nation. That was of course deliberate planning and I'm looking forward to the day when it will be deliberately demolished or put to a more approppriate use - e.g. a museum dedicated to the soon defunct Labour Party in Scotland.
29

Colin Wilson,

09/12/2008 06:43:21
"However with more than 1.5 million visitors... it is clear many people also highly rate Holyrood's design."

I've visited it, but that doesn't mean I like it. Even if you do like it, the building simply doesn't have the gravitas that a parliament building ought to have.

When normal governance is restored, it'll make a nice building for an arts or cultural centre, a bit like the South Bank complex in London. Of course, we'll then be looking for a new home for our real legislature, the Estates of Scotland.
30

Bibamus,

09/12/2008 06:45:09
They could have had the Old Donaldson's Hospital at Haymarket for a fraction of the price - better building - better site - better location But Donald Dewar wanted it to be Holyrood and we all paid !
31

The Tin Man,

09/12/2008 07:12:01
Drumbiedykes extension with bars on the windows?
32

Evan Owen,

Snowdonia 09/12/2008 07:15:06
Yes it is ugly, can't decide whether it is worse than the Welsh 'devolved' adminstration's creation. What possessed those in power to give power to people who have gone berserk?
33

ebilmoglin,

ednbr 09/12/2008 07:21:27
Actually, I think the Liechtenstein Museum is rather cool. Would swap it for the Congress Center in Berlin anytime.
Holyrood had the chance to become far more than just a building with all the symbolism and stuff but oh my god look what a mess Scotlan's symbol of freedom has become! Why can't we get anything right..
34

Lynn,

Madison, Wisconsin, USA 09/12/2008 07:26:43
And here I thought we had some wicked ugly buildings on the UW campus! You guys win!! Didn't anybody ever tell the architect (before he died, of course) that the 1960's "Brutal Architecture" style is passé?
35

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 09/12/2008 07:36:17
Handsome is as handsome does on the Holyrood site. It make scottish journalists, Embra people, and those of the planet THINK , has many stories to tell and has to be worth every £ so far spent. See it here:

myweb.tiscali.co.uk/epochmag/contents7/HolyroodParliament.html
36

Mike Masterton,

09/12/2008 07:53:28
I think it's braw !It's new, bright,different.
37

Haggismaker,

Northern Bohemia 09/12/2008 07:54:05
I visited the building in the summer and loved it, especially the interior. Such an interesting use of space. (Pity about the cost, but for large construction / engineering projects the end-price is always many times the original estimate.)
38

eric,

lothian 09/12/2008 08:07:56
Glasgow pulled its slums down in 60s.we are putting them up .its ugly ,out of sigt out of mind.
39

tassiestag,

rosebery 09/12/2008 08:08:08
in my experience its not always the best looking woman who has the kindest heart
40

Unimpressed one,

09/12/2008 08:09:00
It stands a stark reminder of what an abortion of a project can be when handled by politicians. But it does have one saving grace - it stands as a wonder of how little half a billion pounds will buy you these days that is in good taste.
41

A True Scot.,

09/12/2008 08:09:41
This building is a unionist p.ss take.
The sensible and most practical option was to upgrade the old Parliament building.
It represents everything that is wrong with Zanu Liebour. The project was corrupt, mismanaged, flawed, dishonest, careless, idiotic and a national disgrace.
Yet as long as large numbers of people in this country keep voting for them do we really deserve any better?
42

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 09/12/2008 08:17:52
#38 "(Pity about the cost, but for large construction / engineering projects the end-price is always many times the original estimate.)"
This is tosh the Millau Viaduct was built,costing less than the original estimate,on schedule and it is breathtaking.
43

The Gaze From Leith,

09/12/2008 08:26:12
Shame it didn't achieve number one status. That would have made it one of the places 'you have to see before you die', attracting millions from abroad and solving our economic prolems. People are as curious about ugliness as they are about beauty.Bet you they flock to Boston City Hall.....
44

Brideun,

Culloden 09/12/2008 08:46:27
Took a Saturday off and went down to Edinburgh to visit the 'Building' as I had paid for a chunk I should at least visit. First impression was disgust at the design and finish of the exterior but I had heard that the interior was first class so best give the building the benefit of the doubt. However I could not give judgement on the inside as the building was closed, the SMPs were in recess ( how could they tell). So I still do not know what the interior is like - whit a scunner!
45

Graeme,

Guangzhou 09/12/2008 08:47:29

Reminds me of Wester Hailes
46

A True Scot.,

09/12/2008 08:55:46
46

Right enough it would be more suitable as a detention centre located in Wester Hailes or Oxgangs.
47

dyon gollins's back,

Brussels 09/12/2008 08:55:59
Huh! Why's there nothing from Brussels listed - some of the ugliest buildings in the known universe are to be found there including that notoriously expensive den of bureaucracy the Berlaymont - headquarters of the European Commission - which was at least 600% over budget - for a refurbishment.
Actually I find the New Scootie Parliament Hoose a fully characterful building - and full of characters -and I also like other things Enric Miralles made, including the Santa Catalina market in Barcelona and the extension to Utrecht City Hall; anyway it's not the worst bulding in Nedburg by far - that's probably the DHSS bulding at the West Port given that New ST Andrew's House is - thankfully - for the chop. So I'll continue to visit Holyrood when I'm in town with interest and pleasure in the kenspeckle variety of its structures. As for the content of the deliberations within - ah well! Time to re-invent the art of political multilogue!
48

Boy Wonder,

09/12/2008 08:58:31
I think the bag o' nails is a much better design.
49

Brideun,

Culloden 09/12/2008 08:59:41
An appropriate finish to the 'building ' would be an image of Donald Dewar bending tying his shoe lace. The result could be used as a cycle rack and as a warning to politicians to have a care with other people's money.
50

brianmca3,

auld reekie 09/12/2008 09:04:33
the millenium dome cost £789 million roughly twice what it cost to build the scottish parliament
lottery is now ready to fund london with the olympics which have been estimated at a cost of £5billion
i see rufis the dufis is raiding marx brothers films again for names
why not sign in as harpo
he never spoke hint hint
51

Ananurhing,

09/12/2008 09:06:50
The building was designed to blend in with it's surroundings. Dumbiedykes!
Built on the site of a brewery, and possibly the best public toilets in Edinburgh. Has to be a good analogy there somewhere. P*ss up....brewery!
Nearly half a billion quid spent making a futile political point to avoid creating a "Nationalist Shibboleth"! Completely inappropriate design for the setting.
The building's cursed I tell you,...cursed! Spanish Ric....Donald the Dour? Who next?
52

Number 6,

Germany 09/12/2008 09:21:35
A revolting reminder of Liebour's sleaze and corruption.
53

Snowy Bottles,

09/12/2008 09:23:28
The Building was completed 4 years ago!! So the Scotsman feels this is the most important and relevant story in Scotland today????
54

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/12/2008 09:23:28
The choice of a Catalan Architect was the first mistake.

They have a nasty habit of die before their building is completed. (Just look at the La Sagrada Familia, started by Gaudi in 1882 and still at least 20 years before its completion.)

The second mistake was choosing an architectural style totally out of keeping with its environment.

Would it not have been better to chose an updated version of the architectural styles already evident in Edinburgh architecture? If not an imitation of that style at least at modern version that would compliment it?

Edinburgh boasts many fine building built by Robert Adam, could they not have found a style that would not look so out of place among the classical architecture.

The third mistake not making it a fixed contract.

It became a money pit for all the vested interests and made a joke of Scottish reputation for frugality.

From the photo it looks like a Dali painting of a block of council flats. The only way it could be worse is if you covered it in pebble dash, which might push it into first place and attract more tourists.
55

Scotsbloke,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 09:32:45
8th ugliest building in the world - aye right.

Milton Keynes has the worst 200 for a start
56

Brideun,

Culloden 09/12/2008 09:39:23
Why not have a raffle and the winner would have the honour of setting off the dynamite to remove this blight on Scotland's reputation.
57

11+failed,

the pans 09/12/2008 09:43:14
Difficult to believe there are seven worse buildings. At least providence intervened to save the architect from suicide before its completion!
58

Ewan Oosami,

09/12/2008 09:45:14
#22 Rab has it right
It was thought up by a sh*thouse, designed by a sh*thouse, costed by by a sh*thouse. It's no wonder it looks like one too.
59

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 09/12/2008 09:46:23
It is a hideous monstrosity...
60

11+failed,

the pans 09/12/2008 09:49:29
Take a look at the Parliament building then at Holyrood Palace across the road. It is like comparing Cherie Bliar with the Queen.
61

SILVANA,

glasgow 09/12/2008 09:52:06
On a trip to "Edinbro" (It was the Festival Season!) I decided that a visit to the Scottish Parliament was on my list of things to do. I was standing outside the building, at the front doors, arguing with my partner that the building in question was definitely NOT the Scottish Parliament but was probably a local council office. Needless to say, a by passer pointed out my error. A profuse apology was given to my "other half" for my error. I could have designed a better building with half a brain.
62

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 09/12/2008 10:02:36
This mess might have looked reasonable in a suitably hot climate like Spain. OK kidding myself there - it does look like Wester Hailes with bits of Lego stuck on and cheap bamboo fencing - for £400M+!!! The inside looks a bit better, but it is hardly an advert for great architecture.

#62 while one half of the architect's brain was busy on something else the half that didn't exist was engaged in designing this building with Donald "Father of the Nation" Dewar. Talk about good taste - remember he was quite keen on Wee Wendy too. Remember the deisgn "competition"?!!!
63

Ugly George,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 10:10:35
8th ugliest in the world!

There could be a problem here. The ugliest building in Britain award once went to the Tricorn Centre in Portsmouth - a richly deserved award if you had seen it. It was once compared to a pile of elephant dung.

However it was demolished 2/3 years ago. If some other of the ugly buildings are also demolished the building at Holyrood might move up the charts. Time for Alan Freeman?
64

Darien,

Panama 09/12/2008 10:11:19
#62 Local opinion in Edinburgh explain the debacle as being due to control of the entire matter by a West of Scotland/Glasgow New Labour 'decision making' cabal. Only non-Edinburgh folk like Dewar, Wark et al would (a) select such a daft location for the Parliament in the first place, and (b) build a concrete monstrosity so out of keeping with the character of the area in question. For NewLabour read 'over budget and completely useless', much like today in fact. The NewLab waste phenomenon continues, as Gordon Brownshirt, Gorbals Mick et al demonstrate so admirably. As long as we have turkeys in Glenrothes voting for Xmas, it will continue.
65

A True Scot.,

09/12/2008 10:20:47
64

Maybe if you stood outside of it maybe during peak tourist season it wont look so bad in the background?
66

Phil1,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 10:22:23
Welll I am amazd at the petty mindedness of some people - just never satisfied. It's as though they prefer to have somthing to complain about. If its not the Parliament building. its the Trams or its the Labour pary did this or the SNP did that.

I hope you all don't whinge and whine lke the above posts when you are abroad on holiday or everyone in the world will begin to think the Scots are mean spirited, moaners with no sense of humour - most of you have never even been in the building.
67

Ananurhing,

09/12/2008 10:23:22
Miralles said his design was inspired by a previous trip he made to Scotland, when he saw people inhabiting upturned boats with a door cut in the stern. Turned out he had been to the N.E. coast of England. That didn't bode well. Then look at who was on the panel that chose the design. Kirsty Wark for one! I guess she knows a lot about ivory towers right enough!
68

Ken S.,

Reading 09/12/2008 10:23:58
As Dolly Parton once said: "Do you know how much it cost to look this cheap?"
69

A True Scot.,

09/12/2008 10:31:48
67

Right enough lets never express our concerns nor disgust no matter what Zanu Liebour do.
Lets give them a free ride who knows where that might take us maybe if we're lucky to war with Iran and North Korea at the same time eh?
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awantapassport,

thesooth 09/12/2008 10:33:05
I can't believe all the negative opinions of the new Parliament building! Perhaps most luddites on here would have preferred a fake 16th Century style gothic monster - let's jump back 300 years and pretend nothing happened...

I can't wait to see the building in 10 or so years, when the concrete is weathered and the plants established and blended even more sympathetically with the wilds around Arthur's Seat. It's a fantastic and adventurous building and a real statement of Scotland being a modern, forward thinking nation.

When you walk down the Royal MIle past all the beautiful ancient architecture and the tacky tartan shops it's an inspiring feeling to suddenly jump back into the 21st Century with a glimpse of the parliament and a new future for Scotland.

The grounds in front are open and welcoming. The last time I was there kids were playing football on the grass - you don't get that at Westminster.

I'm a fan of modernist design and I like concrete, but then again I was born in Glasgow and brought up in Livingston!
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C U Jimmy,

Mauchline 09/12/2008 10:36:17
How can it divide a nation? it's an absolute eye sore and an embarrassment to all of Scotland, Westminster didn't want Calton because it signified the true home of Scotland. The sooner we pull it down the better, that's if doesn't fall down first.
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Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 10:38:34
What has been conveniently omitted from this league of the worlds "ugliest buildings" is that, along with the Scottish Parliament, they have all won numerous architectural and design prizes!

The Metropolitan Cathedral of Liverpool, voted Britain's "ugliest", has won over 30 awards and prizes from all over the world, and since it's opening in 1967 has been visited by over 7 million non-worshippers!

It would appear that the vast majority of alleged experts know as much about post-modern architecture as Edinburgh taxi drivers?

After the original Palace of Westminster(UK Houses of Parliament)were destroyed in a fire, it took a Royal Commission an eternity to choose the architect Barry, and his assistant Pugin.

It took 30 years to build and after its official opening it took another 10 years to rectify the many "snags" including a leaking roof where the contractors
had failed to use enough lead flashing! Sound familiar?

It was millions of pounds over budget and the London public hated it! The stress of it drove Barry and Pugin to early graves! Sound familiar.
73

Phil1,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 10:43:19
70 A True Scot.,09/12/2008 10:31:48

misnamed I think for the nasty party
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Ananurhing,

09/12/2008 10:44:41
I remember chatting with some Edinburgh architects about the building, including one who's in the news daily at the moment. To a man they thought it was a good thing, and waived aside criticism of siting an ultra modern building like this in such a historical setting.

Which confirms my opinion of architects in general. They're like Rotweillers. They view the world mostly in 2D. Only keep one if you absolutely have to, and then always on a tight leash. Make sure you regularly give them a good slap down, otherwise they think they're top dog and get out of control. And remember it'll be your responsibility to deal with the excrement they leave behind them.
75

Darien,

Panama 09/12/2008 10:57:08
A few pet Labour projects:
Hampden Park - complete waste of money
Edin Trams - many want it stopped, £ disaster happening
Stir-Alloa 12 mile rail line cost £80m?
Holyrood - only those in denial think it is any good
aircraft carriers - to wage war where exactly?
other military hardware
nuclear power
banks
control of police/Gordon Brownshirts
ID cards/CCTV everywhere
????next
Hey, economy down the tubes but Labour are spending on military, buying up the banks, and controlling the police (and people) - Is this really what people voted for? Is it really a sustainable strategy?
76

AM2,

Scotland,UK 09/12/2008 11:22:20
It looks better after dark!

http://www.scottishunionist.com/2008/12/devolved-parliament.html
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A True Scot.,

09/12/2008 11:29:22
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Wouldnt it be more accurate to call your site British unionist? isnt calling it Scottish unionist misleading and dishonest? unless of course the content is also misleading and dishonest?
78

badger464,

09/12/2008 11:35:34
its cr4p its nothing special at all, it just looks like a building with silly bits stuck on the outside
79

AM2,

Scotland,UK 09/12/2008 11:35:39
#79

I'm British and Scottish (and also Irish, as I was born and did much of my growing up there). But the blog is concerned primarily with unionism in Scotland.
80

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 09/12/2008 11:37:18
Do'nt blame me .....I am a Tory and said no to a Scottish Parliament .
81

Number 6,

Germany 09/12/2008 11:59:55
Check out the "Scottish unionist Party" Site.

They even have a "Youth Wing". It's Hilarious.
82

Yes We Can,

Ayr 09/12/2008 12:04:52
Regarding the £40m budget that then became a £400m final cost (another Labour spin to discredit the Parliament... well maybe!?).

Has anyone noticed this little story about the cost of decontaminating the soil at the London Olympic site? £80 Million before even a foundation is laid!!!
http://www.concretecentre.com/main.asp?page=1628
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Ron S,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 12:14:05
I visited the Scottish Parliament for the first time a few months ago with my family. Outside, temporary metal fences prevented people falling into the concrete ponds which civic architects like so much, and bits were clearly rotting away on the facade. The entrance and security area was labrinthine and confusing, and the security itself rather amateur. Inside the worst signage I have ever seen (I've seen a lot) was supplemented by home-made A4 signs stuck up by helpful employees. Several doors were falling off their hinges - jammed half open against the floor. The restaurant was also amateurish; well-meaning but hopeless employees administering some sort of daft system. (They don't take credit/debit cards but do take cheques!) Up the dark stairs towards the chamber you see many additional pendant lights which dangle an a tangle of hastily added wires. Then there's the chamber (which few people realise is only used a day or so per week). Frankly the whole thing is an embarrassment.
84

Ananurhing,

09/12/2008 12:38:04
I'm told by a Professor of Arghitecture that the building suffers from really bad Fong Shooey! Turtles and serpents and er.....stuff!

I refer to the 2nd paragraph of my post at #76.

Oops! "Arghitecture". Now was that a typo, or a Freudian slip? Either way it works. I'll use it in the future.
85

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/12/2008 13:24:35
Perhaps the "architect" died of a brain tumour when he realised what a monstrosity he had created.

It is without a doubt one of the most ugly and cluttered buildings I have ever seen.

The next time I am visiting friends and relatives in the UK I will make a point of seeing this pile of rubble in person.

It is an insulting affront to all architects who know how to create and build edifices that are pleasing to the eye and reflect national pride.

This building is a slap in the face to the pride that is Scotland and its noble heritage.
86

IainA,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 13:32:32
"However with more than 1.5 million visitors and nine architectural awards, including the Stirling Prize, it is clear many people also highly rate Holyrood's design."

Just because 1.5 million people visit it, doesn't mean that 1.5 million people like it. As for the Stirling prize and other architectural awards they are usually awarded by architects to architects, the buildings may be unique and of architectural interest, aesthetically however, to the building's user and general public, they may look like a turd in a truffle shop.
87

cabrach loon,

inverness 09/12/2008 13:53:44
aye the spotted cow is a right abomination and a blot on the landscape - internally it may be good but externally it revolts especially in its location - better down by the sea at Granton or Portobello.
88

V.Plasi,

TX 09/12/2008 13:55:07
The building does not fit the rest of the buildings around it. It is very modern and is surrounded by beauiful Victorian style residences which makes it look very much out of place.
89

Nevsky,

Moscow 09/12/2008 14:01:11
What's all the fuss? I suspect a lot of postes here hate it because it is Scottish and noone whinges like the Scots especially about their own country.

In the list does the Dome in London not come put top and that cost £1.25 billion and is hardly used!

Stop whining, it's there and could have cost and been a lot worse.

90

Professor-Quincy-Adams-Wagstaff ,

09/12/2008 14:28:33
91 Nevsky,Moscow 09/12/2008 14:01:11

"In the list does the Dome in London not come put top and that cost £1.25 billion and is hardly used!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Hardly Used" Nevsky with his finger on the pulse as ever.

Stick to Norway Nevsky, you are out of touch with whats happening in the UK thats for sure.

"Hardly Used". HAHAHAHAHA
91

Professor-Quincy-Adams-Wagstaff ,

09/12/2008 14:33:19
He Nevsky, here is an example of how the O2 Arena (Dome in London as you call it) is hardly ever used;

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"Hardly Used" HAHAHAHAHA, what a numpty.
92

Not a socialist,

09/12/2008 14:47:43
I can never make up my mind if the stone segments on the walls look like guns or hair dryers....

The building is not my cup of tea and I certainly think that the money could have been better spent else where, but still, at least it's not as ugly as Appleton Tower in George Square!
93

57vintage,

Keith 09/12/2008 14:53:37
As far as The Millennium Dome is concerned it was never given the chance that other major tourist attractions have been (Eurodisney, Eden Project etc etc) to make its losses in the early years before turning over profit as the initial start-up costs disappeared and income increased. The basic economics of tourism, I believe, from my friends who are experts in such matters.

Given that it was funded with Lottery money means that as a tax-payer I paid not a groat towards it, so have no real interest in the spun anti-Dome histrionics of the tabloid press that so many of the gullible sooked up but just despair at the shallow "it's in the paper so it must be true" reaction of a large swathe of the UK population.
94

Darien,

Panama 09/12/2008 15:00:45
#81 AM2: "I'm British and Scottish (and also Irish.."

Only a crook could have quite so many nationalities! In fact we all know that even those with so-called dual nationality only actually have one nationality that must always take precedence. In the case of the UK that means we are all 'British', and nothing else. Those of us who really want to be Scottish need to first replace the British state with a Scottish state, and that would seem obvious. Those who wish to remain part of a British state need to continue to do all they can to suppress a Scottish state; that is the status quo, and it implies that all so-called British Unionists (i.e. British Nationalists) are compelled to suppress and to continue to suppress a Scottish state. I'm sorry Mr. AM2, you are only permitted to have one nationality, not two or three or.... And if you first and foremost desire to be British, as you clearly do, then you will never be Scottish or Irish or anything else in terms of the real and significant meaning of nationality.
95

MoiraMac,

09/12/2008 15:06:36
#95 I thought they looked like electric drills.

Does anyone remember the artist Cristo wrapped the Reichstag in polythene? Might be an idea to wrap the Holyrood building. I'm suggesting it should be wrapped in TARTAN TAT. Loads of CU Jimmy hats, £9.99 kilts, bright green furry nessies,Saltire flags made in China etc etc. Lovely! it would fit in nicely with the rest of the Royal Mile.
96

The Tin Man,

09/12/2008 15:07:09
#91 Nevsky

Each to their own, I suppose, but there seems to be very few (any?) people who like the exterior of the parliament. However, I do like the Scottish Museum building, and I positively love the Peter the Great statue (reminds me of 'Time Bandits').
97

Ananurhing,

09/12/2008 15:09:14
#91 Nevsky

Hang on! You slag people for typically Scottish responses, then say, "It could have been worse"!

That's up there with "That which cannot be overcome must be endured" and " D'ye think we could govern oorsel's" as dour Scottish mentality.

Look out your window in Moscow. See the clock tower and the pump house by the river? Scottish architect from Haddington. Gillespie I think(not sure). Blends in beautifully with St. Basils, and is instantly recognisable as a Muscovite icon.
No one's ever going to speak in those terms of the Scottish Parliament. Might have been okay sited out at the Gyle, or adjacent to the bypass somewhere, but not at the foot of the Mile.
98

KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 09/12/2008 15:17:30
#81AM2

"I'm British and Scottish (and also Irish, as I was born and did much of my growing up there)."

Another case of multiple personality disorder, it seems to be very common amongst the unionists.

It might also explain why they post under multiple monikers.
99

The Tin Man,

09/12/2008 15:19:39
#100

WRT the parliament building, I think Nevsky is mistaking honesty for negativity.
100

Geomac 1,

Scotland 09/12/2008 15:31:08
The building is not as ugly as some of the people working (for a few hours a week) in it!
101

Darien,

Panama 09/12/2008 15:43:52
Holyrood Design Panel = (2 x NewLab - Dewar & Wark, 2 x Scottish Office wallies, and 2 x architects) Conclusion: naebody on panel with any real-world business/property/financial experience). Result: terrible building that cost an arm & leg.

Donald Dewar - Chair
Joan O’Connor - a highly regarded architect who is a member of RIBA and was President of the Royal Institute of Architects of Ireland between 1994 and 1996.
Andy McMillan - formerly Director of the Mackintosh School of Architecture and a former partner in the Glasgow practice of Gillespie, Kidd and Coia.
Kirsty Wark - journalist and BBC Presenter.
John Gibbons - Chief Architect and Director of the Construction and Building Control Group at The Scottish Office.
Robert Gordon - Head of Scottish Office Constitution Group, the unit set up following the election to implement the Government’s proposals for a Scottish Parliament.

102

S.M.D.,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 15:48:41
Fully agree with #21......only thing is, the trams will follow the same way.
Both projects been pushed through without the thought of how much it'll cost...it's disgraceful, no wonder, our country is in such a bad state now!
103

J. Stewart,

Fort Worth, Texas 09/12/2008 15:56:08
When I first viewed the Parliament building from atop Calton Hill, I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
The photos I had seen before arriving in Edinburgh had
not done the injustice the building deserves.
In such a beautiful city and wonderful country, why have a building that looks so ugly and out of place?
104

A True Scot.,

09/12/2008 16:08:49
81

And your claim to Scottish roots is parental? or by government consent?
105

jerrymanders,

09/12/2008 16:31:17
Hideous in the extreme. Out of touch. Out of place. Out of order.....











.......but enough of the politicians who work there.
106

Stephen101,

Can we move it? 09/12/2008 16:41:43
Of course it is a monster, and unmaintainable. If it isn't the daft poles, it's leaky roof, and bits falling off. Talk about gerry built, and gery designed.

Given the enthusiasm for the carbuncle awards, with Cardenden getting a special mention from our bow tied architect friends, perhaps we could move the whole building to Cardenden. That way shove an eyesore where not many people go (usual architect's trick), and hopefully stimulate the tourist business for Fife.
107

Ewan C,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 16:52:36
What is the point of all this? That slideshow shows ten mildly ugly building, taken at unflattering angles. There are probably ten uglier buildings in central Edinburgh! As ever, a waste of time that just rattles the cages of all the idiots (please see above) yet again! Can we have some journalism please Scotsman?
108

Van (not white) Diesel,

Amsterdam & Augsburg 09/12/2008 17:21:31
#6 & #50 - both little gems.

BTW - the Wendy person is far better to look at than this edifice.
109

nozza, born n bred bingham now living in newcastle,

cramlington 09/12/2008 17:24:24
~91 you couldn't meet a better breed o people than the Scott's and we're no moaning about our country we're debating about the mess that is the parliament building! why put a monstrosity of a thing like that in a beautiful part of the town? if they couldn't put a great building there they shouldn't have put one there at all. this was a brilliant opportunity to build a great building. ah well eh!
110

Moder8,

EDINBURGH 09/12/2008 17:46:00
Thanks 104, Darien for reminding us of the members of the design selection panel. The late Donald Dewar rightly takes a lot of badmouthing for the design choice but we should not forget the other members all had a vote!
Let us also not forget that the maintenance costs associated with such a camel of a design are going to continue and escalate for the life of the building and are going to be an enormous drain on our economy.
111

Bejjy,

09/12/2008 17:47:09
#113

"Scotts"?; which country are they from.
112

Hugh Roscombe,

09/12/2008 17:50:42
tinyurl.com/5c63e7
113

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 09/12/2008 17:54:35
.. of siting an ultra modern building like this in such a historical setting

It's about line, proportion, light and space. We'd expect the National Paliament to look handsome and imposing rather than pretty; its how the client, Donald Dewar (for the scottish people) and the architect imagined it. I like the theatre of the debating chamber for an open multi-party democracy v. the adverserial design of Westminster and its labyrinth of corridors and lobbies for the skulduggery of state.

I don't think a committee of taxi-drivers would have instigated a better building. Besides, the historic Foot of the Mile was gey dreary and dingy before this new construction.

The management of the project was typically atrocious. But that was the fault of the Scottish Establishment rather than the architect.
114

St Andrew 01,

johannesburg 09/12/2008 18:05:04
It must be said that Scottish parliament is an ugly building. However, once inside it kind of works. I am not certain what the thinking behind the design was or why something so elaborate needed to be built - it appears that the design is in some way a reflection of the mindset of the people who passed it. You know, lets build something massively shocking and make a statement that advertises as something bigger than we actually are!

The building is a disgrace, lets face it, it is - but in some crazy kind of mad way it sort of works, which is weird because it's nestled amongst some of the oldest buildings in Britain, next door to the queens abode at the foot of an old volcano.
115

Hugh Roscombe,

09/12/2008 18:21:33
The Parliament should have been in Stirling anyway.
116

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 09/12/2008 18:35:26
I personally do not care what it looks like. It is a representation and a symbol of the END of the DISUNITED KINGDOM!!!!!
117

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 09/12/2008 18:35:47
I personally do not care what it looks like. It is a representation and a symbol of the END of the DISUNITED KINGDOM!!!!!
118

Alan Reid,

Viborg 09/12/2008 18:59:12
Don't care how it looking like, it's what goes on inside that counts.
119

Cathie Christie,

Arroyo Grande, California 09/12/2008 19:08:02
What do you expect from the current generation, all the great architects and builders of the last few generations are long gone, and probably turning in their graves.
We recently visited the "great" Getty Museum, in Los Angeles and must say the same kind of "modernist" structure, great view of Beverly Hills area and some nice art work, that.s all.
Ever hear the story of the Emperors New Clothes..
We are now in that era.
Posted by a native born Scot, missing all the lovely castles, buildings from the by gone era.s not the tenaments though.
Cheers.
120

cataibh,

Over the Struie 09/12/2008 19:15:06
I understand that the architect and the final design was chosen by a team of experts, could any person out there tell me who these experts were.
121

Darien,

Panama 09/12/2008 19:55:59
#124: See #104 for the list of 'experts' (ho ho ho)
122

moleman,

Breda, Netherlands 09/12/2008 20:20:54
If I were a sleeping, even comatose volcano and they built me such a neighbour, it would be like a wake-up call for me.
It's striking that even the Chernobyl reactor scored better..
123

Nevsky,

Moscow 09/12/2008 20:24:01
100 Ann#

Was not Gillespie was Galloway (Christopher) and nobidy kows of he was a Scot or not.

Tower is called the Spasskaya tower but has ben changed a lot since hos day..try Scots architects Adam Menelaws, Cahrles Cameron and William Hastie or (haste) for bigger influences on Russia..and from my window i can't see it..have a nice park though!
124

Nevsky,

Moscow 09/12/2008 20:24:46
Terrible spelling!!
125

Nevsky,

Moscow 09/12/2008 20:27:02
81 AM#

The why bother with constitutional matters in Scotland..Northern Ireland is where your brand of 'religious' unionism belongs!

Keep it there!
126

Nevsky,

Moscow 09/12/2008 20:32:16
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Menelaws

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Heste

http://www.alexanderpalace.org/cameron/

http://books.google.com/books?id=LQy9TJ2yOQEC&pg=PA152&lpg=PA152&dq=christopher+galloway+architect&source=web&ots=0eCg9YSiIM&sig=BLJaTo8qT4MKc2a-dcUXqT8E3Gg#PPA152,M1
127

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 09/12/2008 20:45:43
O.K.so it's not the most glamorous building in the universe. Right enough, it looks like a badly built shed that fell off a lorry.As we now have it,shouldn't we make the most of it? After all isn't it what it is used for the most important?
128

Professor-Quincy-Adams-Wagstaff ,

09/12/2008 22:17:19
128 Nevsky (millenium dome expert), it is not only your spelling that is terrible.
129

Nance North,

California, USA 09/12/2008 22:54:10
What were the City Fathers thinking, allowing such a travesty so close to the beauty and traditions of Edinburgh? This mess should have been located on the outskirts of the city, if built anywhere at all. Perhaps its architect was already suffering the results of a brain tumor, which affected his choices of materials and design. HORRIBLE!
130

Inveresk,

Salt Spring Island, Canada 09/12/2008 23:08:55
Some buildings are rightly international in identity - an opera house, an airport, perhaps a conference centree - but not a parliament.

Our first parliament in 200 years should have represented the best of Scottish art, industry, architecture and culture. It should have been designed by a Scottish architect, built by Scottish tradesmen using Scottish materials, adorned by Scottish artists and craftsmen and managed by a Scottish parliament.

Instead, it was designed by a Spaniard, construction managed and mostly built by English companies using oversees materials and components. To boot, it's an aesthetic disgrace which pollutes the east end of a heritage site of international importance.

The mismanagement of this project alone should be enough to deter a Scottish electorate from returning a culpable and incompetent labour party to power for a generation.
131

Inveresk,

Salt Spring Island, Canada 09/12/2008 23:09:02
Some buildings are rightly international in identity - an opera house, an airport, perhaps a conference centree - but not a parliament.

Our first parliament in 200 years should have represented the best of Scottish art, industry, architecture and culture. It should have been designed by a Scottish architect, built by Scottish tradesmen using Scottish materials, adorned by Scottish artists and craftsmen and managed by a Scottish parliament.

Instead, it was designed by a Spaniard, construction managed and mostly built by English companies using oversees materials and components. To boot, it's an aesthetic disgrace which pollutes the east end of a heritage site of international importance.

The mismanagement of this project alone should be enough to deter a Scottish electorate from returning a culpable and incompetent labour party to power for a generation.
132

Florence,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 23:25:03
45 BRIDEUN: You missed nothing - the interior is just as hellish as the exterior. I think Mr. Miralles's brain tumour must have been at an advanced stage, poor man. What other reason could there be for this abomination? Kirsty Wark voted for the design. What does she know about architecture? The building is like a running sore with me and every time I pass it - which is frequently - I feel like screaming that this eyesore was inflicted upon us and in that location too!
133

Florence,

Edinburgh 09/12/2008 23:26:53
124 CATAIBH: Kirsty Wark was one.
134

St. George,

Lancashire 09/12/2008 23:39:01
When we visited, the food and drink in the cafe was a lot cheaper than elsewhere. I think it is subsidised.

At least the building is good for something.
135

Nina,

Lincoln City 10/12/2008 04:20:23
Bamboo grows all over Scotland (right) just kidding. It is to bad Hollyrood Palace, has to look on to the Shed, on The Royal Mile, it is a horrible ugly building. I am sure a Scottish person, could have done a lot better, and saved a lot of money, and built some thing in keeping, with Beautiful Edinburgh.
136

Bzzzz,

Edinburgh 20/12/2008 03:40:27
Another highlight of ridiculous unionist idiocy, the only reason the old high school wasn't used was because it would have been far too much of a nationalist statement. Dewar father of a nation? my f******* ****. Adisgraceful waste of money as are the trams, ANOTHER unionist decision and another monumental waste of ******* money.

 

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