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Published Date:
29 November 2007
ELECTIONS in Scotland might be held over several days under a plan being considered by the Electoral Commission, it emerged last night.
It is looking at ways to put the voter at the centre of the electoral process and one option under investigation is to allow voting before the traditional, single polling day.

Canada and Sweden have adopted advance voting and Ron Gould, a specialist brought in to investigate the ballot fiasco at this year's Scottish election, has recommended that similar schemes be looked at for Scotland.

In its official response to Mr Gould's report, the Electoral Commission said the idea should be put out to consultation. A spokesman said there was no fixed system of advanced voting, but it might mean opening polling stations throughout the campaign, so people could vote at any time after ballot papers had been printed.

Another option might be to allow people to vote at the office of the returning officer - possibly for a week or a few days before the election - but various scenarios will be examined.

Mr Gould recommended advance voting because, he said, it would reduce the pressure on postal votes and might help to increase voter turnout.

The advance voting consultation was one of a number of measures announced by the Electoral Commission yesterday as the first steps in implementing the Gould report.

Mr Gould was brought in to analyse the way the May election was run after more than 140,000 ballot papers were either spoiled or left blank in the biggest electoral debacle in Scottish political history.

Mr Gould criticised politicians for putting their own interests first and for ignoring the needs of the voter. He was particularly harsh in criticising the decision, taken by Douglas Alexander, the Scottish Secretary at the time, to put ballot forms for the Scottish Parliament and council elections on the same paper.

Sir Neil McIntosh, an electoral commissioner, said the commission was pleased to endorse Mr Gould's recommendations.

If the commission's views are taken on - which is likely - this will mean:

• parliamentary and local government elections will not take place on the same day;

• the streamlining and consolidation of all electoral legislation to make it clearer and simpler;

• regional and constituency ballot forms for Scottish Parliament elections will be produced on separate papers.

The commission will also produce new guidelines on ballot paper design and on the way parties can be described.

This was in response to the SNP describing itself as "Alex Salmond for First Minister" on ballot papers, putting the party at the top of every paper, as candidates were listed in alphabetical order.

The commission is also looking into a chief returning officer for Scotland, another of Mr Gould's recommendations.

Sir Neil said: "We will be bringing together all those involved in elections to consider ways that we can improve electoral administration."

• IN THE Scottish Parliament elections in May, about 85,000 constituency votes in the Holyrood election were registered as "spoiled" and were therefore not counted.

A further 60,000 regional votes were treated the same way.

This total of 145,000 of incorrectly filled-in papers was by far the biggest proportion of spoiled ballot papers recorded in Scotland.

Spoiled ballot papers represented about 3.5 per cent of the votes cast - that compares with 2 per cent of papers spoiled in the controversial US presidential election in 2000.

Ron Gould, a Canadian elections expert, was brought in by the Electoral Commission to investigate what went wrong. Mr Gould published his report last month.

The two primary areas of focus were: the dual ballot paper for the Holyrood election, with both the regional and the constituency forms on the same sheet, and the decision to hold the Holyrood and council elections on the same day.

Mr Gould made a series of recommendations to avoid similar problems in future, including the decoupling of Holyrood and council elections and an end to overnight counts.

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  • Last Updated: 28 November 2007 10:56 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Holyrood Elections
 
1

Ted,

29/11/2007 00:12:49

And still Douglas Alexander hasn't resigned. Perhaps Gordon could curry some favour with the rest of us and throw him overboard as the ship goes down.

2

juan kerr and his magic hand......,

29/11/2007 00:51:33

Douglas is to busy approving and fast tracking donors business parks, wink wink ;-)

3

Stanley Unwin,

Scotsmans Editorial Suite 29/11/2007 06:58:14

Would casting Votatoes over several units of 24hrs not just end up causing prolongular grief for the Labour Parody?


Dougal El_Sikander all deep joy and thorkus for great laugh'n tittery. O yes.

4

Linda,

29/11/2007 08:22:21

It's time Scottish Elections are funded from within Scotland. If it is correct that overseas residents not on electoral roll cannot influence Westminster elections the same criteria should apply to those not on the Electoral Roll for Holyrood elections.

We don't know who funded Labour's election campaign in Scotland because they spent 9 times more than they raised in Scotland.

But then Labour thinks electoral rules are only for the little people.

5

Mercutio,

Falkirk 29/11/2007 08:46:14

#Linda, Glass houses!! The issue is quite frankly that with all the jockeying for position by political parties last time the voters interest was placed well down the list of priorities.

6

KO,

Scotland 29/11/2007 08:54:31

#5 The whole of the UK is governed by a party selected by only 21% or the electoate. By definition, this means that 79% of the electorate did not vote for Nu Labour. How can this be called democracy?

7

Worried Scot,

29/11/2007 08:59:23

Surely rather than pointing the finger at who is to blame we should be more worried that 145,000 people couldn't read the simple instructions at the top of the ballots papers and fill them in correctly? Seemed pretty simple to me.

8

Boy Wonder,

29/11/2007 09:13:12

I agree that voting should be compulsory!

9

Liz,

29/11/2007 09:23:34

#9
I agree, extending the time available for people to vote is not going to make a blind bit of difference if they are too stupid to read and understand the (really quite simple) instructions.

10

Partan,

Fife 29/11/2007 10:16:54

Sounds reasonable. Anything that might increase the votes cast has got to be worth a whirl.
#8 I take it you're not a NuLabor fan? - not that there's a lot of them about - That's normally the argument advanced when someone just doesn't like the outcome of a poll.

11

Upbeat,

29/11/2007 10:21:16

Voting on more than one day.?????.

....a system more likely to produce multiple votes from some, administrative and identity problems, and which will be subjected to biassed press speculation concerning the outcome, as the days go by, is hard to imagine.

12

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 29/11/2007 10:25:49

For Christs sake! What is the problem? Elections have been successfully conducted for centuries without any "glitches".

Why do they HAVE to use computers for everything nowadays? Clearly in this case they don't work (probably because politicians are involved in the coding but that's another story).

Just go back to the old manual methods until such time as a reliable system has been developed.

It is better to do things using a proven method and get it right, rather than trying to be hip and trendy and getting it all wrong.

13

Tru Scot,

Over Here 29/11/2007 11:29:07

I'll let you guys into a secret about rocket science
" spread the vote over a three day period and at the same time make it compulsory to vote, on pain of a fine"
Don't understand why you would have to pay good money to someone for something that they have to do or the government takes money off them. That should be insentive enough

14

bornNbred,

boycott day 29/11/2007 11:42:06

30TH NOVEMBER 2007

HOOTSMAN BOYCOTT DAY

AM2 WILL HAVE NOBODY TO TALK TO!!! YAY!!

15

karin.m,

join the boycott of the scotsman fri 30 november 29/11/2007 12:14:30

how hard is it to put a wee cross on a bit of paper. Have the same voting system for all elections and hey presto no problem.

16

Guga II,

Rockall 29/11/2007 12:17:19

#10 BW. I'd go along with compulsory voting as long as there was a box for "None of the Above". Moreover, if "None of the Above" won, then they would have to have another ballot which precluded anyone in the first ballot (except "None of the Above").

17

Lock,

29/11/2007 15:09:35

#18,

I look forward to some sensible debate tomorrow. To celebrate I might even buy a paper copy too.

18

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 29/11/2007 16:10:41

The answer is obvious. Electronic voting, via the web. Send each voter a unique multi-digit code via secure mail and they can go online and vote with it. If they don't have on-line access at home, they take the same 10-digit code to a public library and vote there. Or a school. Or anywhere with internet access. Even in a hospital ward. The code would have to be secure, obviously, to avoid any sort of fraud. Make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.
Can't think of any drawbacks.

19

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 29/11/2007 16:10:46

The answer is obvious. Electronic voting, via the web. Send each voter a unique multi-digit code via secure mail and they can go online and vote with it. If they don't have on-line access at home, they take the same 10-digit code to a public library and vote there. Or a school. Or anywhere with internet access. Even in a hospital ward. The code would have to be secure, obviously, to avoid any sort of fraud. Make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.
Can't think of any drawbacks.

20

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 29/11/2007 16:10:50

The answer is obvious. Electronic voting, via the web. Send each voter a unique multi-digit code via secure mail and they can go online and vote with it. If they don't have on-line access at home, they take the same 10-digit code to a public library and vote there. Or a school. Or anywhere with internet access. Even in a hospital ward. The code would have to be secure, obviously, to avoid any sort of fraud. Make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.
Can't think of any drawbacks.

21

Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 29/11/2007 16:11:18

Well, maybe one or two...

22

The Forgotten Princess,

Need help understanding? Ask your brother. 29/11/2007 16:49:23

#14 - Scottish and proud

Well, you certainly do have a point. Anyone too inept to figure out what they are doing on one day is unlikely to have any less air in their head two days earlier, or two days later for that matter.

The failure of some people to ask questions when they do not understand, check facts, and evaluate things for themselves, exemplifies ingnorance to the MAX!

This idea makes about as much sense as a shoobert taking a jacket away from a confused, struggling young lad before sending him out into the cold.

23

n/,

perth 29/11/2007 17:11:55

............any guesses as to what the headlines will be saying after the next election?

Hows about..................

"CHAOS YET AGAIN" ?

Down to the bookies everyone.
A guaranteed winner!

24

The Forgotten Princess,

29/11/2007 17:15:18

#16, 17

Not everything in life is about money, what it can do or how high it can make people jump.

#16 - I suppose you know what the word "dissociation" actually means. Interesting, but nowhere near amusing. A FRIGHTENING CONNOTATION.

Who are you?

WHAT YOU NEED IS JESUS CHRIST.

JESUS WALKS IN TRUTH AND IN THE LIGHT.

SEEK HIM. And understand that there is no power on earth - neither money or name - that is stronger than THE POWER OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!

May the grace, love, and peace of Jesus Christ be with you all, especially as we prepare to celebrate the blessed day of His birth.

25

The Forgotten Princess,

29/11/2007 17:20:11

The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, they have divine power to demolish strongholds. We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought and make it obedient to Christ.

2 Corinthians 10:4,5

26

yockel,

Not where I once was 29/11/2007 17:27:59

#32 well said Forgotten Princess but on the topic, extended elections, nah.
Give them too much time to fiddle with the results.

Unless of course elections were permanent and continual. You could go in and vote any time you liked and the make up of parliament etc would change accordingly on a daily or perhaps twice daily basis.
I would vote for that.

27

Warden An' All, Reborn,

29/11/2007 17:37:37

Why don’t we go the whole hog and give the electorate literacy and numeracy lessons?

28

Kaytoc,

29/11/2007 17:50:42

Very strange.
The second Tuesday of November is Election Day here.
One ballot contains everything - National, State, County, City or whatever combination is up for re-election that year.
Glitches from time to time when technology changes or when the brother of a presidential candidate is the governor of a particular state............................
I don't understand what the problem is. Get rid of Alexander and Alexander. No problem.

29

juan kerr and his magic hand......,

29/11/2007 17:56:20

Princess........... FOLLOW THE DOSAGE!!!!!!

30

Selgovae,

Scottish Bordellos 29/11/2007 19:37:02

#25 Arthur Montford's Jacket

What exactly is a "multi-digit code" and "secure mail"?

31

The Forgotten Princess,

29/11/2007 20:00:10

#33 yokel, Not where I once was

You sure got that one right. You are not where you once were, and you can bet that you never will be.

This sounds like either craig or the liver wash kyle or possibly the two of you together having a gay time.

Without even taking the time to figure it out, YOU SOLD ME OUT. For what? A bye-bye in a jet? A laptop? Hanging out with the wealthy psyco and his side-kick, the titless wonder?

By the way, craig, they are associated with the people who took things to the MAX, how brilliant of you to join association with them!

Yeah, some people with money have ways to invade the privacy of others. Pretty funny isn't it? Only in a VERY SICK WAY. What you've done, and all you have done -------- is ensure that these two people want NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

And as for your change-a-rama in your monkey suits, you look like idiots. Regardless of how much money I had, or resourses, I would not lower myself to do that to any other human being. Get real, children, and grow up. How would you like someone pulling this cr#p on you? Would you then be able to comprehend the destructiveness of such actions?

You think your bullsh##t is permanent and continual? -------- The only thing permanent and continual is that you have destroyed any possible friendship or real association with the two people you find it funny to pull this cr#p on. Permanent and continual? I kind of question that, anyway.

What exactly are the signs of being involved with cult activity? Brainlessness? Being unable to think or act of your own accord?
#16, dissociation? sounds like cult lingo.

Changing names to post new comments, are we?

DOSAGE? SOME OF YOU ABOVE NEED TO JUST PLAIN

--------LAY OFF THE D#MN DRUGS!

(Yeah, the cults like drugs. People full of substances are easily brainwashed, swayed, and managed.)

AGAIN, MAY THE GRACE, PEACE, TRUTH, LIGHT AND LOV

32

The Forgotten Princess,

29/11/2007 20:02:15

Excuse the spelling error.

MAY THE GRACE, PEACE, TRUTH, LIGHT AND LOVE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST BE WITH YOU, AND WITH ALL.


 

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