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Published Date: 21 September 2008
WHEN Stuart Shaw faced a six-month wait for a hip operation on the NHS, he felt there was no way he could endure his pain that long.
Instead, Shaw flew to India to undergo the operation for less than £4000 – around half of the price charged by UK private hospitals – and the 69-year-old from Edinburgh is delighted with the outcome.

Soon, however, the NHS may have to foot the
bill for patients like Shaw. A consultation paper on a Patients' Rights Bill will be launched this week, and one of the key measures is the right to free treatment abroad when hospitals miss waiting time targets.

Health Secretary Nicola Sturgeon wants to let patients have more influence over their treatment and give health boards more incentive to meet waiting time targets.

Health systems in other countries, including Norway, already have patients' rights enshrined in law and the SNP believes Scotland should follow this example.

But are the proposals right for Scotland? How effective will they be? And will it make a real difference to the hundreds of thousands of patients who pass through the NHS every year?

The Scottish Government believes the move will give patients "real clout". A source said: "This is all about encouraging health boards to deliver for patients and provides for a series of fallback positions."

Scotland already has an NHS Patients' Charter, which guarantees access to personal information, gives patients the right to see a GP and allows individuals the right to decide whether to participate in medical research.

But the proposed Patients' Rights Bill goes further.

Its main aim is to strengthen the rights of patients to ensure they are seen and treated quickly, and treated as "partners" whose "expertise is respected".

Under the Bill, if a board could not treat a patient within a certain time frame, and the patient felt they needed treatment sooner, the board would have to pay for it elsewhere – another board, the private sector, in England or abroad. It is believed this would be a "safety net" rather than normal practice.

Patients would have to be told about the treatment and medication options open to them, including possible risks and benefits, putting greater pressure on doctors to give patients as much information as possible about groundbreaking new treatments.

Norway's patient rights laws have been in place since 1999. Among other things, Norwegians can choose a hospital, and they have the right to get an evaluation from a specialist within 30 days of receiving a referral from a GP.

However, there are some concerns about the SNP's proposals. First, there are no specific sanctions being enshrined in law to punish those who fail to deliver. Although patients can already complain to the Public Services Ombudsman and ministers have the power to take over the running of failing health boards, there are no extra penalties being introduced in this consultation with which to threaten poor performers.

There are also worries over how boards will meet the next set of waiting time targets. By March 2009, the longest wait for a first outpatient appointment is to be 15 weeks and the wait for inpatient or day case treatment to 15 weeks. Currently, boards are meeting an 18-week target. There is also the question of cost which cannot be worked out without finalised proposals.

Dr Jean Turner, chief executive of the Scotland Patients' Association, said of the plans: "This is going in the right direction. But we have to get away from targets and start dealing with people. I think ultimately a Patients' Rights Bill should encourage doctors and nurses to listen. Sometimes patients don't know who's treating them because the staff don't even introduce themselves."

The proposals, which are being officially unveiled tomorrow, are bound to spark further debate and a 17-week consultation period has been set aside for interested parties, including patients' groups and health staff, to air their views.

Dr Claudia Pagliari, an expert in health care system evaluation at Edinburgh University, said: "These policies have not been rigorously evaluated. There is no evidence currently on who uses them or how effective they are. However 'soft' evidence, including focus groups, shows patients want this and think it's a good idea."



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  • Last Updated: 20 September 2008 7:13 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/09/2008 01:45:52


"Soon, however, the NHS may have to foot the bill for patients like Shaw"

If this is to be, 'case of fact',....

Do you think the NHS would 'foot the bill' for my DYW, who cant wait to be pregnant any longer,?

In all fairness to the NHS, one failed attempt at IVF, our wait now is 6months,...

But the total wait for us is now coming on 6years, this is a reference to 'actual' professional help.

Our wait is in the true sense is 10years+, as when my DYW first seeked treatment for unknown infertility, it took 4years and 4GP's later to find one GP, that cared enough, and thought something very wrong, to refer my DYW to the specialists.

And before anyone makes any 'snide' remarks,...

Infertility is as important as other health issues, it is a mentally painful distressing condition for Women, if and when their maternal instincts are calling on them, a natural function that Women are here for, the reason they are Women.

All 'said and done' I think we will wait a little longer, for our treatment to commence over here in Scotland,..

Two reasons:

1. I would not have the 'Brass Neck' to go abroad for treatment, then legally challenge the NHS to pay for it!

2. 'Better the Devil' you know, so to speak, I can imagine some dodgy 'going-on's' taking place, while abroad, if you don't check it out first!

One may end-up with a 'Baby' that might derive from,...

..'bin laden's' motley crew, if not the man himself! :D
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/09/2008 01:51:09


***********"motley"*********
ADJ
1 made up of people or things of different types ? a motley assortment of mules, donkeys, and camels

2 multicoloured

:DD
3

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/09/2008 12:57:49
Charles Linskaill

I realise it must be frustrating and heartbreaking for you and your wife to have to wait so long for another IVF.

But I think such procedures are on a very low priority for funding by your NHS to allow you both to seek medical attention elsewhere.

Sad it is, but then that is the reality of socialised medical care.

We have it in Canada and many Canadians are going to the US of A and Thailand and India AND Dubai to get to the head of the line - IF they can afford it.

Unfortunately, in these matters money talks and get you results.

Best of luck in your continued quest to have a child.
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Charles Linskaill,

Again!, Again!, poor me waiting for DYW 21/09/2008 13:42:23


Tim re: ~3,

I realise on what you are saying, my point in a sound about way is,....

What line would be drawn on the treatments you could have abroad and expect the NHS to dont the bill for?
And imagine you booked your treatment, and it turned out, it would take place in a tent in the desert, dodgy going-on'p indeed!

Anyhow must go as I am in car waiting for DYW (3HOURS now) and this battery on my mobile must be running out :(

Have a great day Tim, adios amigo!
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 21/09/2008 13:47:07
Sorry for the typos sound should read round and "dont the bill" should read 'foot the bill'

Blame the mobile, blame T9! Or just blame me. :(
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nolimits,

Far North 21/09/2008 16:40:35
Charles: The very best of thoughts for you and your DYW:)
Keep the Faith!
7

Charles Linskaill,

Patron Saint Charles. 21/09/2008 23:57:41


nolimits ~6,

Thankyou.

 

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