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Published Date: 11 January 2009
FOR decades they have been as intrinsic a part of hospital life as bed rest and bandages.
But now flowers are being banned from wards across the country, with hospital bosses insisting they are a potential health hazard.

Scotland on Sunday can reveal that health boards, from Shetland to the Borders, have warned visitors not to say it with flowers.

NHS mandarins have issued a variety of reasons for curbing flowers, claiming vase water may harbour dangerous bugs, that bouquets can trigger allergies, spilled water can damage equipment, and even that other patients may object to their "unpleasant" smell.

In addition, one health board has banned visitors from bringing trifles, cream cakes and sandwiches into wards after labelling them "high risk" foods.

The clampdown has been criticised as disproportionate and unnecessary by politicians, health watchdogs and scientists, but health bosses insist it is a common sense measure aimed at protecting the health of patients.

Although many hospitals already ban flowers from intensive care and respiratory units, bouquets are increasingly being removed from general wards.

A spokeswoman for Shetland Health Board confirmed its policy of allowing flowers throughout its two hospitals was being reviewed.

She said: "It is possible there will be a move to restrict all flowers for infection control reasons and for health and safety reasons, given the large amount of electrical equipment positioned around beds."

NHS Borders was specific about which blooms are frowned upon, stating that lilies may be removed from wards if other patients found them "irritating".

A spokeswoman said: "The strong perfume of some flowers can be unpleasant for some people who are unwell."

Stirling-based NHS Forth Valley stops patients with certain allergies from having flowers by their bed-side, and also states which snacks can been brought in for patients in a bid to prevent food poisoning.

"Visitors are advised not to bring foods that are classed as being high risk, such as trifles, cream-filled cakes, mousses, sandwiches or meat products."

Liz Moore, health care director at NHS Ayrshire and Arran, confirmed flowers were no longer allowed in some wards.

"This is due to limited space as these areas have lots of high-tech equipment and the potential irritation flowers may cause to patients in respiratory wards."

NHS Lanarkshire employs a similar policy, stating: "The advice from the infection control team would be to assess the potential risk as water in vases can harbour bacteria or could spill leading to safety hazards."

Health boards in Tayside, Lothian and the Western Isles have wards where flowers are not recommended, while NHS Highlands states they have no "blanket ban" on blooms, but notes "they can get in the way of patient care in some areas".

But Scottish Conservative health spokeswoman Mary Scanlon said: "It would be a sad day if flowers were to be completely banned from our hospitals. Flowers are not only beneficial for patients, but they brighten up wards for visitors and staff alike. It is right for hospitals to be vigilant about infection. However, I have never heard of anyone picking up MRSA, C diff or any other hospital acquired infection from a flower."

Microbiology expert Professor Hugh Pennington also felt that banning flowers was unnecessary, stating: "There is no risk in people bringing flowers. They are therapeutic for the patient."

A spokeswoman for Window Box florists, which operates inside Aberdeen Royal Infirmary, said the creeping ban on flowers was damaging their business.

"There is absolutely no need, and no scientific evidence, to justify banning flowers in general wards. My understanding is that some sisters don't want flowers in their wards because it means extra work for them.

"They don't want the responsibility of having to put them into vases and changing the water every few days."

The flower seller said she and her colleagues were having to deal with increasing numbers of disgruntled customers.

"When people buy flowers and get told they can't give them to their loved one, they are understandably aggrieved and demand for their money back," she said.

The Scottish Patients Association also questioned the need for a ban. A spokeswoman said: "They are a way of showing people that you care for them and they make wards look prettier."

But NHS Grampian said it had given senior staff the power to ban flowers, and a number had done so.

Health boards in Fife, Dumfries and Galloway, Orkney and Greater Glasgow and Clyde made no comment on their policies about flowers in wards.


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  • Last Updated: 10 January 2009 10:41 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 02:07:17



WHAT A RIDICULOUS NONSENSE!!!

Flowers have been in our Hospitals for 'Donkey Years', long before 'Super-Bugs'!

More the Likes, you discipline those that go to our Hospitals, with, 'Snot's Hanging out their Nose's'!

At the same time, bring back the Florence Nightingale's, and STOP PULLING AT LOOSE THREAD'S!!


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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 02:12:12



WHAT A RIDICULOUS NONSENSE!!!

Flowers have been in our Hospitals for 'Donkey Years', long before 'Super-Bugs'!

More the Likes, you discipline those that go to our Hospitals, with, 'Snot's Hanging out their Nose's'!

At the same time, bring back the Florence Nightingale's, and,...

....STOP PULLING AT LOOSE THREAD'S!!


(edit by Mr Tidy) :))

And this is the way, to 'step forward'!





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daveserviceman,

edinburgh 11/01/2009 02:39:45
This is a load of rubbish if hospitals fed their patients decent and edible meals families would not have to take in snacks and sandwiches,
Also you stand more chance of food poisoning eating hospital food more than food brought in by Families at least you know whats init, for over a hundred years flowers have never bothered anyone in hospital they made the place look more cheerfull and pleasent and aided recovery this way at this rate the wards will look like staligrad 3, you would have better conditions in a derilict warehouse
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fair scunnered,

edinburgh 11/01/2009 03:01:37
hospitals have had flowers fora very long time,also when wards were run with matrons,they were spotless,lots of cleaners going around cleaning all day,kept the place very clean,after all lister found that by spraying carbolic acid in operating theatres ,deaths were cut back,as the germs in the air were killed by the acid
but both labour and tory cut the cash to hospitals,so we lost cleaners,less cleaners = dirty wards= germs multiplying
just because flemming found penicillin from air bourne bacteria,doesnt mean hospital managers ,can cut back,hoping the same results,then spending the savings on jollies for managers and the like
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Suzi B,

11/01/2009 03:17:48
No flowers allowed on the ward for health and safety reasons, but I visit my aunt on a surgical ward in R.A.I in Paisley where patient care plans in file folders (picked up and read by nurses and doctors with their bare hands) are left lying on patients beds or conveniently tucked into the space between the bottom of the mattress and the bed end. The patients feet might rest on it all day and their sometimes soiled sheets may come into contact with it, but nobody seems to consider that a health risk-but the flowers they are strict about. MRSA anybody?
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S'me,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 04:42:12
All we need are proper cleaners.... not underpaid stressed workers who have to run from area to area... wetting the floor with grey water then moving on, I see it happen.
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11/01/2009 07:37:31
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11/01/2009 07:39:31
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Joe Macdelta.,

11/01/2009 08:03:13
Absolute drivel, there is more infection caused by poor cleaning procedures and staff hygiene, flowers probably give patients a boost and aid recovery. As for restricting food brought from home,

"Visitors are advised not to bring foods that are classed as being high risk, such as trifles, cream-filled cakes, mousses, sandwiches or meat products."

So a fish supper should be alright then, get real, improve the standard of food in house and there is no need to bring in food.
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11/01/2009 09:06:34
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DeniseX,

11/01/2009 09:13:36
SOME 'may object to their "unpleasant" smell'.
SOME object to the smell of cigarette smoke and other smells. If anything has a smell ban it?
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claudette,

11/01/2009 10:17:49
A Genuine ACCOUNT-There always has to be one and you're it. You wouldn't happen to be part of the Victor Meldrew Brigade would you? I bet a dark cloud hangs over your house 24/7/365...LOL
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Unimpressed one,

11/01/2009 10:23:57
Another scam by the NHS bosses to force visitors to buy from their shops. For years they have robbed people with their OTT parking charges. They lied about the risk of using mobile phones in hospitals in order to fleece patients and visitors by forcing them to use their phones on their tariffs. It's about bloody time the people in this country told these parasites where to go.
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Douglas,

Bathgate 11/01/2009 10:35:35
It's polyanthus correctness gone mad!
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Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 11/01/2009 11:03:31
Bureacratic fascism by the vastly overpaid quango-ites - Gordon Brown's thought-police - who can't keep the wards clean nor stop superbugs from killing patients.
Sack them all,
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JimboJimbo,

11/01/2009 11:26:54
What next - keep all the windows close in case the bugs are transported in on the breeze. Maybe ban all visits by relatives who are clearly much dirties than the staff!!!!!!! Bugs in flowers my foot!

In reality the NHS is becoming more of a "just a job" rather than a profession and is increasingly being filled by a bunch of "job's worths" Not wishing to put flowers into vases and not wishing to routinely changing the water is just one example. We have already read a recent reort of increasing lack of compassion in the NHS and banning flowers lends even more credence to this. Same same about the poor food - if it was good enough then no need to bring in supplementary items.

The dirts, bugs and MRSA on the wards comes from the staff - plain and simple. I have had cause to visit many sick relative in Scottish hospitals over the last year. despite notices to the contrary, I have witnessed doctors, nurses, porters and other ancillary staff enter/exit wards without cleansing their hands (as directed. I have seen nurses travelling to/from work still in uniform - goodness knows how many bugs are being transported here! Hand the NHS management over to Richard Branson - he has the right idea - if staff fail to comply with basis hygeine then the will be fired!
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The Ayrshire Bard,

11/01/2009 11:28:44
I have recently spent far too much time in a Cambs. hospital with a no flowers policy but free use of mobile phones or portable phone for patients with no mobile, I believe the flower ban is simply because of lack of space on lockers coupled with nursing staff too busy to cope with them. The wards are far from being tranquil, peaceful places and generally have a large percentage of elderly patients who need constant cleaning and care without the additional burden of trying to look after their flowers.
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11/01/2009 12:35:55
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hotdoc,

Montrose 11/01/2009 14:19:12
a genuine account - there is absolutely no evidence that flowers are a source of bacterial contamination of staff or patients. There is plenty of evidence that boosting morale in wards goes a long way to making staff do there job better and patients recovering quicker. Bringing in things that go to brighten a patient's day is very important. BTW, Staff also get flowers as a form of thanks from grateful patients and relatives. I suspect hospital administrators are not aware and don't care about that ...pity.
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aen,

renfrewshire 11/01/2009 14:57:03
I just can't believe it! Flowers from visitors go a long way to cheer up the recipient and to brighten up the wards and corridors. I have never heard of anyone complaining about flowers in hospitals. You know this relates to the same stupidity which no longer allows egg boxes and toilet roll/kitchen roll tubes to be brought into schools or nurseries so that children can make models for project work. Flowers in hospitals and toilet roll tubes etc have been around for decades without any problems so why do this now?
This is health and safety going right over the top. What I want to ask is if there is anything we members of the public can do about it?
I agree with jimbo jimbo's post. During a stay in hospital 3 years ago I noticed that very few staff members or visitors washed their hands on either entering or leaving the ward. This has got to be the worst offender for transporting germs from ward to ward.
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Rob Simpson,

11/01/2009 15:33:43
#18 "In this case there appears to be several."

No, it's just you.
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11/01/2009 15:58:07
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boudica,

11/01/2009 16:45:48
4 ..it was the Tories who privatised the cleaning and food preparations in Hospitals and all the UK councils and Health Boards were forced to impliment it ..get it right ..but I agree that Labour should have dropped this as soon as they got in 1997
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glaswegian at heart,

florida 11/01/2009 16:46:29
At first reading I too thought ''what a load of garbage''banning flowers.Then I remembered seeing on the news, shiploads of flowers ,that is the only cargo of these ships from countries that have no quality control laws so perhaps there is something to the notion that bactria is lurking in the flowers.On the other hand ,nothing is more uplifting in places like hospitals and nursing homes and even family homes than vases of fresh flowers.
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boudica,

Glasgow 11/01/2009 16:46:29
4 note that the SNP havent did anything about it either ..
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glaswegian at heart,

florida 11/01/2009 16:47:53
Iknow I spelled bacteria wrong
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Suzi B,

11/01/2009 18:15:45
#8 and #10. A genuine account.
As hospitals rely on 'evidence based practice' in making clinical decisions, it makes no sense that they ban flowers (since the 'evidence' from microbiologists is that they do NOT constitute a clinical risk)
Meanwhile, evidence based practice dictates that articles used by nurses and doctors which lie around besides DO often harbour micro-organisms including MRSA which constitute a clear health risk to patients in the right circumstances. Far from being the 'idiot' you accuse me of being,(see post #10) applying the same principles of evidence based practice led me to reach the conclusion I did. Of course, you probably know better than the microbiologists, and you may be right that flowers are 'crawling with bacteria', however, applying your criteria for exclusion, I suggest we ban visitors, doctors, nurses, other allied health professionals, meal trolleys, cleaners, and most importantly, the patients themselves, in order to avoid the place being over-run with bacteria. My 20+ years experience on the subject leads me to comment that flowers, once placed in the vase, are amongst the least touched of all patients bedside jetsom and flotsom. That and the Gideons bible anyway, and they are probably already banned these days.
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Morry,

Scotland 11/01/2009 18:30:40
Absolute Poppycock!
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11/01/2009 19:16:25
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MikeN,

Edinburgh 11/01/2009 19:28:16
Why is this suddenly 'news' today?

Flowers were discouraged in both Edinburgh hospitals where I was a patient in 2006 and also in the hospital where I spent a week in March 2008. Quite right, too. The ward staff had enough to do without running around finding vases and practicing their horticultural skills.

Oh, and the food in all three hospitals was actually very good.

 

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