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Published Date: 15 January 2009
THREE of Scotland's biggest health boards are still not giving all pregnant women two ultrasound scans – nearly five years after guidance recommended it as standard practice.
In February 2004, NHS Quality Improvement Scotland (NHS QIS) said that expectant mothers should routinely receive a scan at about 12 weeks and another at about 20 weeks.

But three health boards – Greater Glasgow and Clyde, Lanarkshire and Hi
ghland – are still not offering the second scan to all women, The Scotsman has learned.

Lothian only recently started to offer the service, after missing an initial target of August, while the two scans have been offered to women in other parts of Scotland for some time.

Campaigners said women were frustrated by the variations and urged greater consistency across the country.

The 20-week scan – also known as an anomaly scan – can reveal problems that could not have been found at the earlier screening, such as brain abnormalities and problems with heart, bowel, kidneys, limbs and cleft lip.

If a problem is found, women can opt for an abortion, but early detection can also mean doctors are prepared to treat a child straight after birth or even when the baby is still in the womb.

Many women have opted to pay privately for the second scan, which costs more than £100, to give them peace of mind.

In the three areas where the NHS QIS guidance has still not been implemented – and may not be for some time – a shortage of staff trained to use the ultrasound equipment has been blamed. These boards are giving scans to women at high risk of abnormalities, ahead of rolling out the service more widely.
The second 'anomaly' scan can show up problems missed in the first screening


Belinda Phipps, the chief executive of the National Childbirth Trust, said: "It is very frustrating for women that there is not consistency across the country.

"The guidance is there for a reason and it should be implemented."

She said that, while the second scan was not vital, women should be able to have one, as it did provide reassurance about the health of their baby.

Professor Alan Cameron, a spokesman for the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists, said while the scans did not pick up every abnormality, they could help to find problems to allow for early treatment.

"It means that the baby can be born in the place best able to care for their condition," he said.

"In some cases, we can give a baby treatment in the womb, such as where a blockage in the bladder is detected."

The three health boards concerned all said the second scan would be routinely offered from later this year.

The Scottish Government said: "From the end of this year, it will be mandatory for all boards to offer a 20-week foetal anomaly scan. In areas where the 20-week scan is not (yet] routinely offered, patients are offered this scan if it is judged to be clinically necessary."

FACTS

• ULTRASOUND was developed 50 years ago by a team in Glasgow.

• Pioneers Tom Brown, Professor John MacVicar and Professor Ian Donald, published the world's first paper on ultrasound scanning in pregnancy in 1958.

• The technique uses very high frequency sound waves that are passed into the body. The reflected echoes are analysed to build-up a picture of the internal organs or a foetus.

• Ultrasound during pregnancy can help to determine the age, size and growth rate of a foetus and also detect multiple pregnancies.

• It can also be possible to detect the sex of the baby, though not all hospitals will reveal this to the parents.

• Specialist staff known as ultrasonographers are required to analyse the results of scans.







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  • Last Updated: 15 January 2009 1:01 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
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FerryPort,

15/01/2009 00:47:59
Lets not panic. I come from an age where I gave birth to our son without the aid of ultra-sounding equipment. Next one I saw on the screen when she was still on the inside.
Both and mother are doing well. And dad.


McDonalds n' Starbucks? Is this true?
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/01/2009 01:41:55



FerryPort ~1,

You make a fair point, but it boils down to the whole,...

.....pregnancy scenario!

Pregnant Women Are Not Important Anymore!!,...FULL-STOP!!

Not Quite a "Full-Stop"

Let me explain!

Society in general, that is our UK society, make more fuss about a £500k House, or a Porsche at the door, or that 'fab plasma or lcd TV, hanging from the wall, than they do,.......'Value New Life'!


Our Doctors, Midwifes, Nurses, and all the staff, who work in Maternity Care, however,...'DO' value New Life, in the work that they do soo well!

However, they are fighting against, bureaucracy, the ones that need to keep materialistic!

This is a tragic 'state-of-affair's'!!

We Need Babies!, We Need to give all Women that become pregnant, the 'Red Carpet' treatment!

Why??

Because this is the balance of Nature!

NO BABIES! = NO NEW LIFE = UNBALANCE!

Forget someone looking after you when you are 'Old', because we all, Will be 'Old'

Forget about that £500k House, or Porsche at the door, because, they will be worth nothing, nothing atall!, because of economic unbalance, due to 'NO BABIES'!

If I won £8Million, on the Lottery, I would give it all away, for my wife to have a "BABY"!

Yes and all Women, in the Mentioned Hospitals, would get my Money, to have all the scans recommended! and wanted, by all Pregnant Woman!



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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 09:23:51
Should the scan not be compulsory, after all, it is to determine the baby's status.

Similary should women not be BANNED from smoking or drinking alcohol during pregnancy?.

If these measures were implemented then abortions due to defects would be slashed.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 11:12:03
Why should it not be compulsory Vincent ?

In which cases would a woman be justified in saying

"No thanks, I know best". Surely the potential health of the child is paramount .

I take your point about it being not possible to force a woman not to pollute her child's developing body in the womb with
brain destroying alcohol and the cocktail of poisons found in "20 Regal" but should it not be socially unacceptable to do so ?.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 11:16:45
I had no idea this was a Scottish Invention!

For such a small nation, our contributions to the world have been truely immense.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 11:33:37
5 I know personally I didn't touch the booze at all, but I still smoked about one or two cigs a day because I couldn't stop. Doc told me the stress of giving them up altogether would be worse than minimising how many I smoked.

And you're a bit inconsistent - the other day you were saying that it was OK for a mother to go back to work when the baby was five days old, now you're aying that the health of the child is paramount ? You've changed your tune.

Another aspect to this is that the age of women giving birth is rising, that is also a significant factor in potential birth defects. I think all women should be offered a second scan, although I acknowledge that as Vincent points out, it could lead to a rise in abortion.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 11:36:08
7 It should be a choice Vincent.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 12:02:44
#8 No inconsistency. There is a distinction between a developing feotus and a born baby. That is of course as long as the child is born naturally and not induced for social convienence.

When a woman's waters break that is nature saying the "bun in the oven" is ready. The ingredients used to bake the bun will determine if it is edible or not. If you see what I mean.

A women going back to work after 5 days has no effect on the child because it will not have bonded significantly to be stressed by her abscence.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 12:04:31
10 It should be a choice available to all woen to have a seconf scan - whether they take up the option or not should be up to them, but they should all have that choice.

11 Err so you think it's OK for a baby not to bond with it's mother then ? You're winding me up.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 12:18:25
#12 Err.. Nope I did not say it was OK for a new born baby not to bond with it's mother. What I am saying is it's health will not be affected because it HAS NO BOND with it's mother if she is out working from day 5. Fathers are generally out working all day but that does not effect child health. Why should the mother's
absence be any different? As long as the child is fed, watered and changed at the right times then it should grow up healthily, regardless of wether it's the mum, dad, granny or child-minder looking after it.

The social relationship with the parents may end up strained due to the child seeing more of other adults during it's development. Lack of respect can also be present.

We have seen however, that the social worker maxim that the child is always better of with it's "Natural parents" is nothing but a sad, sick perverted joke.
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 13:07:40
14 Mothers and babies do bond during pregnancy, but the bond is strengthened when the baby is born and the first few weeks are very important, any midwife or health visitor will tell you that. Most dad's now have a statutory right to paternity leave too. Yours is a pretty weird view of childcare I would say, it might work in a kibbutz.
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kenbo9,

15/01/2009 13:17:05
#1

What do you mean by McDonalds and Starbucks?
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 13:31:34
Does anyone know of any case study that shows children are better off when raised by their natural parents?.

I know of many cases,some as recent as this week, where the natural parents have broken every bone in the child's body.

Come on now Vincent, you know that Social workers tend to do all they can to ensure a child remains with it's birth parents, no matter how cruel to the child they may be.

Just look at what's happening in Doncaster.How do you or Observer explain that?

Why should a child not grow up healthily if fed watered and kept clean. We are only animals after all.

Vincent, I also fail to see how a growing child "Bonds" with it's mother in the womb.Where's your evidence for that ?.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 13:50:16
Believe me, this gives me no pleasure:


Doncaster children: Who are they?
An independent inquiry is being launched into Doncaster Council's children's services department after serious case reviews were ordered into the deaths of seven children in the area.

Five of them were under 16 months old - of whom some details are known - including the cases of Amy Howson and Alfie Goddard, which have been brought to court.

The other three are identified only by the codes they were given in the serious case review reports.

There are as yet no details of the final two deaths, although both occurred in 2008.


AMY HOWSON
Sixteen-month-old Amy Howson died in December 2007. Her father, James Howson, 25, was found guilty of her murder and sentenced to a minimum of 22 years in prison.

Her mother, Tina Hunt, was given a 12-month suspended sentence after admitting child cruelty.

Amy died after her spine was snapped in two, but prosecutors said she had suffered for months before that.

When she was examined in hospital on the day she died, she was malnourished and dehydrated.

Howson had also punched and slapped her on numerous occasions leaving her with fractures in her arms, legs and ribs. He blamed his partner and his dog for Amy's injuries.

Prosecutor Gary Burrell said: "The nature and extent of the injuries themselves indicate the child must have been in extreme pain and in poor physical condition for a period of weeks prior to death."

South Yorkshire Police said steps had been taken to ensure Amy was not seen by doctors.


ALFIE GODDARD
Alfie Goddard, from the Toll Bar area of Doncaster, was just three months old when he died at Sheffield Children's Hospital in May 2008.

A post-mortem examination showed he had suffered a fatal head injury two days earlier.

Alfie's father, Craig Goddard, 24, will be sentenced on 15 January for his murder.

His mother, Lindsay Harris, 19, is charged with child neglect and perverting the
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 13:56:27
20 Personally I'm on record (numerous times) as saying that a lot more children should be taken into care. But that would probably require a change in legislation and would be very expensive.

A baby not only recognises its mothers voice when it emerges from the womb, it recognises other things, like music it heard. It's a pretty traumatic thing being born, that's why it's mum (and hopefully dad) should be around for a wee bit longer than five days.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 13:57:50
Vincent I ask again how does a child "bond " with the mother when in the Womb ?.

No wind up, we are only animals. Does a child recognise it's child-minder's voice. Does it therefore bond with the Childminder rather than the parent?

I'm sorry mate but your answers are a bit simplistic.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 14:02:36
#21 Of course you have evidence for that have you.
(The bonding theory).
How on earth would a new born baby be able to
recognise a voice and determine it as it's mother?

I suggest that it would "bond" with what ever voice it hears, just as other animals bond with the first animate object they see.
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15/01/2009 14:10:36
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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 14:17:05
23 Well, unless everything they told me at the pre-natal classes I went to was a lie, I think it's a very well established fact. To be honest with you I think it's just common sense, of course babies can hear things in the womb, especially in the last few weeks when they are more or less fully formed, just waiting to be born. They are in possession of all their senses then.
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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 14:27:48
Vincent, I have not been abusive once. This is too serious a topic .Let's draw a line under the subject shall we. We clearly see things differently .

Final thoughts: Recognising a voice is no proof of bonding. It will have heard many many voices and can not possibly determine which of those voices is the mother, no matter how good it's "cognitive abilities may be.
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Charles Linskaill,

On the mobile, limited comment only. 15/01/2009 14:29:19


Hi guys!,
It is a well proven fact, that "baby" does bond in the womb whith there mother, however it does not mean the mother will show an instant bond to their baby, albeit subconscionsly, and deep inside, the mother is bonded to the baby and always will be.

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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 14:30:44
#26 No one is saying a child can't hear in the womb, but it is ridicolous to suggest that the child can dicern that a specific voice it hear's is it's mother. As I pointed out, the child will have heard many many voices in the womb without having the slightest idea what they are.

It will bond with who ever looks after it.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/01/2009 14:34:18


Proven fact!

Babies start to "Hear" at 14weeks gestation.

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Charles Linskaill,

On the mobile, limited comment only. 15/01/2009 14:43:45

Vin ~33,

Babies bond in other ways with their mother, while in the womb, other than to "Hear".

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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 15:06:25
Vincent, in your view when would it be safe for a woman to return to work without damaging the "Bonding" process.

What is the physcological effect on a child when it's carer changes from mother to child-minder.If there is no effect then what difference would it make who rears the child.

Do children bond with working fathers despite hardly ever seeing them in the first few years of life?
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Charles Linskaill,

On the mobile, limited comment only. 15/01/2009 15:14:06


Vin ~
Oops!, I will read it now, I must of scrolled past it too quick,
I wanted to comment, before I get home, as the topic may have died, by the time I got on the pc.
Other facts are, "Babies" can feel a mothers stress, also if 'mum-to-be' is severely traumatised,....
....... baby-in-the-womb, can go into a state of shock, and die, if the situation is not attended and addressed.

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Observer,,

Glasgow 15/01/2009 15:17:51
36 Nobody that I am aware of says that women shouldn't go back to work. But at 5 days ? The transition from mother to childminder/nursery should be part of the process whereby the baby is exposed to all sorts of new experiences - but - strengthened by the security it has by the bond with its parents forged at the start of its life.

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Number 6,

Germany 15/01/2009 15:32:31
#38 Fair enough, good expanations from both you and Vincent by the way.

Normally I am so pedantic I never admit defeat, but with this topic I am not speaking from experience.

I regard myself as not really "mature" enough to be a proper parent so I waited till I found a woman who also had no maternal instincts before marrying.

We are now in our 24th year and counting. Selfishly, I have never been prepared to relenquish the freedom that comes with having no kids, hence the reason I am
accepting on this occasion that both you and (Gulp) Vincent know morew about this subject than I.
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Alan B,

15/01/2009 15:50:49
Is this not abit of an old story. Automatic 2nd scans were stopped a while ago. The nhs stopped giving out the gender also incase they got it wrong and were sued.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 15/01/2009 22:40:04

Ribbonman ~42,

This is why I believe abortion is wrong, and at 26weeks, "Baby" is a fully developed human being, only growing, to be strong enough for being born.

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mum to be,

edinburgh 16/01/2009 19:57:12
I am currently 30 weeks pregnant with my first child and the last reasuring scan I recieved was 18 weeks ago. I find it very worrying that a second scan is meant to be available in the lothians, but I have been told that I only get 1 in Edinburgh. It's just not enough. Generally I have found anti natal care in Edinburgh very poor!

 

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