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Published Date: 28 April 2008
FIRST Minister Alex Salmond was today preparing for a possible meeting with Gordon Brown to discuss the Grangemouth oil refinery strike.
Around 65,000 tonnes of fuel are being shipped in to Scotland to ease pressure on the forecourts in the wake of the 48-hour walkout.

Workers will return to the plant at 6am tomorrow though it could take some time for it to resume normal operations
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The Unite union has not called any fresh strikes but says operators Ineos need to halt proposed pension changes if talks are to continue.

PetrolWatch: Prices and availability in Edinburgh and the Lothians

The two sides held negotiations last week at the conciliation service Acas but they collapsed without agreement.

Mr Salmond is expected to discuss the situation with the Prime Minister when he is in London today.

Mr Brown's spokesman said efforts were being made to arrange a meeting between the two.

It is believed it would be the first such meeting between the two leaders since Mr Brown arrived in Number 10 in June last year.

Meanwhile UK Business Secretary John Hutton will visit Scotland tomorrow.

He will meet with fuel industry representatives and retailers to discuss the situation and thank them for their work to keep supplies moving.

Mr Hutton insisted both governments were doing all they could to get Unite and Ineos management back round the negotiating table.

The MP SAID: "We're doing all we can here, and I know the Scottish ministers are doing the same as well, to try and create that space for the two sides to come together again and try and sort this out.

"We're talking to both sides. I spent some of the weekend talking to the trade unions and the company and I stand ready to have further discussions later today.

"My principal responsibility to the people of Scotland is to make sure that if there is disruption that we minimise the impact of that and we do all we can to make sure that the Scottish economy and Scottish motorists are not inconvenienced."

In the north of Scotland, a tanker carrying 3000 tonnes of diesel and kerosene from Grangemouth docked at Aberdeen last night.

The fuel will be distributed to filling stations across the region.

There were some shortages at the weekend following several days of motorists rushing to fill up their tanks.

At midday on Saturday, five of Scotland's 956 filling stations were out of fuel and 70 had partially run out.

Unite's Phil Mr McNulty said: "We don't want to go on strike again and we shouldn't be put in a position where we have to.

"We are faced with a very, very aggressive employer that quite frankly we are not used to in the oil industry and not used to in strategic industries that are as important as this one."

Mr McNulty said if Ineos "removed its intention" to close the pension scheme on August 1 then the union would re-enter talks.

"We will negotiate very hard, but we will negotiate", he said.

Tom Crotty, chief executive of Ineos, claimed the company had made a number of concessions to the union to keep members at the negotiating table.

Early today, fuel began to run out at service stations across the Lothians as staff and motorists anxiously waited for fresh supplies. As the strike at the Grangemouth refinery entered its second day many more service stations across the Capital were suffering shortages.

Motorists continued to top up their tanks at the weekend with some people taking along extra containers to get as much as they could.

Supplies of diesel were especially low in some parts of the city though it is likely to be replenished by some of the 65,000 tonnes of fuel being shipped in from Europe over the coming days.

Two out of seven fuel tankers heading to Grangemouth with extra fuel from Europe have already arrived in the Forth.

Some stations in the Capital are limiting customers to £20 only, while others are warning drivers not to take their frustrations out on staff after some heated arguments over the pumps.

Both petrol and diesel are selling for as much as £1.25 per litre across the Capital.

The Esso garage at Canonmills has had no diesel since Saturday, while only two petrol pumps were in operation yesterday.

One has a sign saying it is for police and emergency vehicles only. Staff are not expecting any diesel until tomorrow.

A sales advisor said: "People have been buying much more than usual. It's quietened down a bit. We've just got two pumps working."

Supplies were also low at the Shell garage at Abbeyhill. Cashier Mark Somerville said: "We've no V-Power and no diesel. We've run out since I came in at 2.30pm."

The Maybury Shell garage on Glasgow Road had also run out of diesel yesterday.

There were still queues of cars at the Jet Station in Tranent yesterday where they imposed a limit of £20 per customer on Thursday. Sales assistant Heather Brannan said: "We're very busy. I think we'll run out of petrol in about half an hour."

Staff at John Hastie & Son in Prestonpans had been dealing with angry customers since raising the price of petrol to £1.25 on Friday. They were displaying a sign next to the counter reading: "We apologise for the increase in fuel prices. This increase is outwith our control. We have incurred an increase of 17p per litre from our supplier. Please do not abuse staff."

But some drivers were not convinced, and there were raised voices over the pumps when two accused service station staff of "cashing in" on the shortages.

Sean Pringle, 26, a painter and decorator from Port Seton, said he refused to pay the high prices. He said: "It's terrible. They know we've got to pay for it – I need my car for my work."

They were not the only garage with high prices. The Links Road Garage in Port Seton was also charging £1.25 per litre for diesel, although petrol was only £1.14. Managers say they have little choice but to pass on price rises to the customer.

Some supermarkets were continuing to keep prices down, with Asda and Morrisons both charging £1.06 for petrol and £1.16 for diesel.

And there were some signs the panic was calming down, with many forecourts empty in the city.

A sales assistant at the BP garage at Mortonhall said: "People have been panicking for no reason. We're back to normal now - I think everyone's already got a full tank.

"We've got a delivery due today so we're not going to run out."

And despite the fears, most drivers were staying calm. Arek Rybakowski, 26, a chef from Leith, who was filling up his car in Abbeyhill, said: "It's not been a problem finding fuel. I heard they're importing new supplies, so everything's going to be fine."

Hundreds of road haulage companies will stage a protest in London tomorrow against the "rocketing price of diesel".

The three-hour protest, involving Kent hauliers, will include the handing in of a symbolic coffin to the Houses of Parliament.





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1

Willie,

28/04/2008 12:19:51
Headline says: Bad signs for motorists as pumps run dry accross city.
And then in the article there are some signs the panic was calming down with many forecourts empty in the city.
Oh Dear EEN will you ever get it right?
Yesterday your sister paper SOS made up a completely spurious and untrue story about a tanker berthed at Hound Point. Aim to get the great Scottish Public to panic!
It didn't work and its doubtful of this non story will either.
Maybe if your reporters got back to writing fact not fiction and grew a backbone not merely supporting the aims and political objectives of their owners we might start to believe you again.
2

James (1),

28/04/2008 12:20:09
At least the panic buyers will have enough fuel? If you snooze you lose!
3

Pond Hall,

28/04/2008 12:23:05
The Picture says it all, some guy, filling up his jerry can.

No wonder garages are running out, when they are allowing people to stockpile fuel.

Simple have a minimum/maximum spend

£124.9 was one of the highest i've seen.

No1 Simple don't use them.
4

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28/04/2008 12:32:12
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Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 12:32:45
Gordon Brown is showing no signs of panic . What crisis ?
6

Padraig,

28/04/2008 12:33:38
Fresian (1) - if only it was that simple. This two day strike required the plant to be closed down, probably for UP TO a month before it can be "fired up" again. The union plans a further two day strike next weekend, so that will keep the plant dead for an additional week. So it is not a problem for only a day or two.

Currently tankers are bringing fuel to the UK which will ease the shortage but this is a more expensive way to get fuel, so prices have to go up to cover it.

This strike is politically far-left - talk is of billionaires and "workers' rights" (typical Arthur Scargill speak) and is not about the workers' rights - only about future recruits' pensions (did you ever?) and is totally unreasonable.

How long does it take to break a political strike? As long as it takes. Unfortunately, when the economy is struggling anyway, this attack on the ability of all workers to go about their business is just making things more difficult.

These workers have a good standard of living, live amongst decent hard-working people and are damning themselves with a "red" label. It is the fault of a daft left-wing shop steward but, as always, it will be the workers he is supposed to be representing who will suffer.
7

Optimus Prime,

Cybertron 28/04/2008 12:35:27
Personally I blame the Trams............
8

upthehill,

Leith 28/04/2008 12:35:40
The bad guys are not the garages or the panic buyers, it's the striking workers who are stuck in the past, and have their heads stuck in sand resisting change. They'd take us back to the 70s if they could.
9

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 12:38:26
I blame Thatcher .
10

Scotish Exile,

28/04/2008 12:40:27
why should we believe the government....oh thats right, they always tell the truth and never ever misrepresent things.....
fill yer boots fellow motorists, look after No1, only the strong survive!
11

Angus R,

28/04/2008 12:45:32
I blame Kenny Ritchie
12

Bob 2,

28/04/2008 12:49:54
no 9

as someone commented in a previous post

If your employer
asked you to take a pay cut
asked you to reduce your annual leave
asked you to work more hours for no more money
would you say that fine.

or your job is now going to be done in the Far East by someone earning £1.50 a day,
would that be OK?

But into days life, Money and Profit is the name of the game.
13

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 12:54:10
Where do they get this all from?

I filled up yesterday afternoon at Tescos, didn't have to queue, paid £1.07 per litre and saw no-one filling up cans.

I have a feeling that this is all being needlessly hyped up.
14

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 12:57:57
Fair enough Bob2, but they are not being asked to do that. The changes come to those who are newly joining, not existing employees.

This "crisis" SHOULD be happening because of a mass fuel price protest, not because a few people are worried that anyone who joins their company is not going to get the same pension as they have got---which is nothing short of stupid, socialist idealism.

This country NEEDS a fuel protest, but it should be done by MOTORISTS and should continue until the government HALVE fuel duty.
15

Wee Keef,

At the pumps 28/04/2008 13:08:36
I blame Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head
16

betty you can call me al,

28/04/2008 13:18:25
#16 talking complete and utter rubbish as usual.
17

Jenny MacArthur,

28/04/2008 13:24:21
So what's wrong with garages putting their prices up at times of shortage? It's known as the laws of supply and demand. The higher petrol prices go the better, to tax the morons who can't see beyond their sad metal box fetishes whilst polluting the world for the rest of us.
18

betty you can call me al,

28/04/2008 13:30:36
#19 fresian, I agree the govn has robbed us blind for long enough but the workers at Ineos took the jobs they have for the packages. Since Ineos took over, the package has been chipped away.

Would you want your pacakge reduced in the name of corporate greed?

The boys at Ineos work hard. The workforce has dropped from 3500 to just 1200 in the last few years. The company is making a huge sum of money everyday. Why should their packages be cut? Should they not fight to keep (not increase) the package they have?

I'm sick of reading ill-informed, jealousy based comments.

I for one support the workers. I parked my car up and I walk to work.

Sorry...we're not supposed to stand up for what we beieve in are we though.
19

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 28/04/2008 13:33:47
The SNP used to say "It's Scotland's Oil" and now they haven't been in five minutes and we're importing it from europe.
20

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St, Embra 28/04/2008 13:34:52
For 7,9 etc.. from the Guardian.. [Jim Ratcliffe, a chemical engineer turned financier and industrialist, owns two-thirds of the multibillion pound Ineos group. He is ranked the 10th richest man in the UK, with an estimated £3.3bn fortune.
The 56-year-old founded the business only a decade ago, but has since snapped up chemical plants around the world. Using high-yield debt to finance his deals, Ratcliffe started buying unwanted operations from groups such as ICI and BP. Targets have been selected for their potential to double their earnings in five years.]

And how does he plan to double the earnings? By making 'savings' of course! At whose expense? Why support him? Doesn't he have enough dosh?? C'mon the workers!
21

Xena - Warrior Princess,

28/04/2008 13:43:30
#22 Spot on Betty (Al), I support the workers too. They took these jobs on the understanding of lower wages but a better pension. They are right to stand up for what they believe in, and if it is an inconvenience to walk to work then so be it.
22

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 13:55:34
If nothing was in papers or broadcast about it there would be no shortage and men would soon go back to work.

these on picket line are just trained militants!
23

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 13:59:24
I blame Jenny MacArthur...

...And Betty, the content of your comments would be reasonable grounds for debating as to whether the strike was justified IF and only IF the dispute was about conditions for existing workers. It is not. It is about changing the conditions for NEWLY INCOMING workers. The existing workers will be little affected if at all. They are only doing what the Civil Service has already implimented with hardly any fuss at all.

Rather than trying to re-live the dark days of British Leyland with Red Robbo calling everyone out because the management refused to give everyone a 4-hour tea break (and supply the tea) they should maybe be encouraging the ordinary motorist to created the mayhem for the government.

I don't support this strike and never will do, but I am prepared to put up with it if there is any likelihood of it bringing the scandalous price of road fuel to attention.
24

betty you can call me al,

28/04/2008 14:05:26
#27 - again you are talking nonsense.

I know the facts therefore I need say no more.
25

Tr1xx,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 14:07:09
#24

OK, Ineos is apparently now Britain's fourth-biggest chemicals company, led by Jim Ratcliffe . It's great to see a sucessful UK company and sucessful businessman, rather than an Eastern European or Asian one. I prefer to keep them British and tax him and his company fairly.

I for one don't want to see the UK return to its 70s nickname as the sick man of Europe
26

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High 28/04/2008 14:17:03
#29 Its not a successful company - and nor has he built up a business - it's just a shell for venture capitalists.

#27 from INEOS website [Earlier this week INEOS made further moves to avoid strike action – it offered to suspend all changes to all pensions for all existing staff at the Grangemouth site, pending an independent appraisal of their pension scheme]...
suspend ... .. independent... believe it if you like, but 97% of the workers clearly didn't.
27

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 14:20:06
I'm running oot o diesel !!
28

Chris,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 14:35:43
#22 betty you can call me al: So if you are close enough to walk to work, why don't you do that all the time and help save the planet as well as future employee's pension rights?
29

betty you can call me al,

28/04/2008 14:42:30
#32 I do. I walk to work. Same as I do every week. You are preaching to the converted :-)

It was really directed to the whinging folks who *can* walk to work and dont and those who insist on the school run being by 4x4

Foot Note: those who **can** walk to work. Not those who have to commute before you all jump on that and tell me you need to drive yada yada. Been there, done that I understand.

30

11+failed,

the pans 28/04/2008 14:44:45
Two problems here the destruction of company pension schemes and high fuel taxes. One man responsible for both our very own dearly demented Gordon Brown.
31

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit, Scotland 28/04/2008 14:44:53
Why should we face fuel shortages in the Highlands when the southern belt of Scotland has stolen £600 million to build a tram line in Edinburgh? Take the tram, the lot of you and leave us our fuel. It comes from our shores not Glasgow's or Edinburgh's.
32

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 14:57:58
Betty @ #33:

Quote from your post @ #22:

"I parked my car up and I walk to work."

Which implies that you sometimes use the car to get to work. Nothing wrong with that. I do the same. Sometimes I walk, sometimes I use my motorbike. It depends on the circumstances. Please don't imply one thing, then tell us all something else---at least not on the same page!

Regarding the justification for this strike... I am guessing here, but maybe you are too young to remember the chaos of the 1970s when left-wing loonies brought the country to its knees? I for one do. And whilst it was great fun as a kid having to light candles all over the house, it is not something I want to see repeated for many good reasons.

VERY FEW strikes are ever justified because they affect people who are nothing to do with the "cause", couldn't care less about it and just wish to get on with their lives. They also cause untold damage to industry. British Leyland almost ceased to exist because of the lunatics who were striking for stupid reasons.

Let's all strike because we don't get a long enough tea break and ruin the company we work for, then we won't have to worry about tea breaks because none of us will have jobs. Yeah. Great idea. If you happen to be a moron.
33

John Knox furr First Meenister,

High St , Embra 28/04/2008 14:58:46
Away with yer, teuchter. Your nearest shore is loch Ness. Yer further from Forties than we are!
34

Wee Keef,

28/04/2008 15:11:24
#35 - there's a lot of oil extracted from Loch Ness is there?
35

MoragtheToerag,

Argyll 28/04/2008 15:16:57
PMSL at folk in Embra panic buying fuel. You don't really need a car there!

Get real.

36

roadstohell,

28/04/2008 15:18:42
Disgusting !!!! Whip these artisan classes back to work !
Burn their houses, and hold their families under arrest, and if they don't get back to their duties pretty sharpish, send them & their families abroad,never to return.
When are these people going to know their place ?

If it wasn't for the enterprise of Mr Radcliffe, they wouldn't have even the crusts they gobble down. When will the working man of these Isles realise that it is wonderful men ,like Mr Radcliffe, that create wealth?
37

Jim W,

28/04/2008 15:19:08
Let's hope that discerning motorists remember about the profiteering stations who upped their prices during the "crisis" and leave them stuck with plenty fuel when things return to normal.
38

roadstohell,

28/04/2008 15:33:12
I worry about all this free access to petrol stations, simply anyone can roll up & fill up,shocking.
Surely there should be some form of preferential treatment for people of quality, who have a true need ?
At the moment the hoi poloi are guzzling up the fuel that I shall need, simply disgusting. Let the lower orders walk !!!!!!!!
39

ChunkECheese,

Scotland 28/04/2008 15:34:25
Whoever would have thought that War Monger G W Bushes attempt at World Domination would result in such chaos! I hope one day he is made to answer for his crimes against humanity!

JJ
www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com
40

roadstohell,

28/04/2008 15:40:57
Eeegads, my man has just returned from the local petrol station, I thought I'd best get the Rolls & the Bentley refueled. My man tells me that a dashed motorcyclist got the last drop of fuel, good God, a dashed ton up boy !!!!!! These people really do not know how to behave, stop allowing these Teddy Boys to refuel their "Toys". This dashed bounder now has the fuel that I should have had........ this country is going to the dogs, I am disgusted
41

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28/04/2008 15:53:06
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28/04/2008 15:54:47
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Mikko,

Drumnadrochit, Scotland 28/04/2008 15:57:28
#43 What I don't understand is why oil rich Iraq is allowed to get off scot free for our generous tax-payer funded liberation of its nation. They should have to recompense us for the cost of the action by giving us free oil until the debt is paid. Finland had to pay war reparations to Russia (and did) after WWII.
44

hibbyspurs,

28/04/2008 16:17:30
actually Foo, I thought his comments were raher amusing.

As for Fresians use of words, Yeah perhaps not the best choice but would the PC brigade just jump down off their high horses and take it in the context it was meant?

As for the fuel crisis and the current state of the UK in general.....

LABOUR ISNT WORKING....... (quite literally at Grangemouth)
45

hibbyspurs,

28/04/2008 16:19:44
Actuall on the subject of Labour being on a one way ticket out of downing street for the foreseable future it's no wonder the unions fancy a strike or three just now..... They already know what happens when the tories are in and they try that game....

whoopa whoopa srings to mind
46

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28/04/2008 16:42:55
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Euan,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 16:54:21
Just filled-up with 60 litres of diesel at Shell's Dalry Road station.

No supply problems there..
48

Axelfols,

Edinbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrggghhhh 28/04/2008 17:08:31
The idiot in the above picture says it all. Its because of selfish twa/its like him, others have to suffer.
49

Mikko,

Drumnadrochit, Scotland 28/04/2008 17:25:45
So, George Bush liberates Iraq for free and then tries to rebuild it (while Gordon hides our excellent and willing British forces against their will in Basra airport). And George Bush is the bad guy??? I'd make Iraq pay for their own liberation with all that oil. Why should we do it for nothing?
50

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 18:27:22
Gordon Brown will be rubbing his hands in anticipation of the treasury windfall if as Chakib Khelil, the president of OPEC, predicts that the falling value of the US dollar will continue to drive up oil prices to as much as $200 a barrel for crude.
51

Incandescent,

28/04/2008 18:28:49
Jenny, I "demand" that your apparently endless "supply" of drivel be shut off. "metal box fetishists"? What the deuce are you havering on about woman?
52

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 28/04/2008 18:33:07
#44:

Sorry you don't understand mate. Tell you what, I'll write in Noddy language just for you in future. Maybe you might get your head round logical reasoning then because at the moment it seems to be eluding you.

Just one thing though... Why have you hi-jacked the handles of the other posters?
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28/04/2008 18:34:16
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filthy,

28/04/2008 18:51:57
filled up our cars today, mine ,wives, sons and daughters to the brim at slateford road filling station.. no shortages there...... even had a m&s sandwich, yum yum!!!
55

Julian,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 21:51:52
James(1),

was that an admission that you're one of those panic buyers?

All I can say is at least the people who didn't panic buy can hold their heads up and say they didn't cause some poor sod who actually needed fuel to go without.

Panic Buyers = selfish idiots.
56

Julian,

EDINBURGH 28/04/2008 21:56:49
Hibbyspurs # 49,

"LABOUR ISN'T WORKING"

Nice catchphrase...if it wasn't for the fact that it was used 30 years ago and, it's The SNP who have been in power here for a year and are supposed to be trying to sort this whole thing out:0)
57

Ineos worker,

29/04/2008 07:47:08
Firstly, to the people who are in a panic.
Stop reading the press, stories have been made up. SOS is a good example.
The crude units could have fuel out in four days. Its the units that make Ineos the money that take weeks to run.
The jetties are once again running so fuel will be out again today.
58

capy,

leith 29/04/2008 08:33:44
well well ( no pun intended) record profits for shell and bp.no doubt more capital gains tax for the government and increase vat returns. how about giving somthing back for a change. i work in transport and these prices are killing us. is anybody listening.
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James (1),

29/04/2008 11:18:32
#60 yes Julian they can hold their heads up and continue to walk to wherever they would have previously driven to content in the knowledge that the fools who panic bought have just driven past them!

In answer to your question, no I am not one of the panic buyers.
People are susceptible to reverse psychology, if you tell them not to do something they automatically end up doing it.
60

Bob 2,

29/04/2008 12:44:57
16 Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,Edinburgh 28/04/2008 12:57:57
Fair enough Bob2, but they are not being asked to do that. The changes come to those who are newly joining, not existing employees.

Well actually they are..
If the News reports are true, when Ineos when they took over the plant thought the Pension scheme was good.

Now part of the plans is for workers in the Current Pension scheme to contribute 6% of their salary.

So effectively they are being asked to take a PAY CUT, as their NET take Home pay will be reduced.

Its Like anyones Pay, the refinery workers may not contribute, but their Non contibutory pension scheme is part of their "salary" in simple terms.

At the end of the days its a reduction in there net pay, unless they get a pay rise to compensate for the 6% they are being asked to contribute.

And how much has the Government made from the Hick in Petrol Prices at the Pump?
61

Bob 2,

29/04/2008 12:47:25
no61

you'll find its labour that are still in charge of the Budget, and that includes the TAXes that are charged on a gallon of fuel, Income tax, VAT etc.............
62

Julian,

EDINBURGH 30/04/2008 00:28:12
#64 James(1)

The fools who panic bought are, as you say fools. They would have driven past anyway, whether they panic bought or not. Just that they'll have a full tank rather than a half one.

I'm quite happy to indulge in a bit of walking for a couple of days if it means some poor sod who actually needs their car gets to fill up when their tank is empty.

As it turned out, unsurprisingly the panic was over nothing and I never ran out of fuel. I can now have the pleasure of ridiculing all those who rushed to the petrol stations as soon as they heard about the strike.

 

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