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Published Date: 07 November 2008
01.34: SO there we have it. Labour only knew around 8pm tonight that they had won it. And the SNP were within 140 votes or so of guessing their own support. But they underestimated the turnout and that of Labour. Lots of first editions in Scotland will have the wrong headlines.
There are lots of red eyes about the place, the SNP really did work their socks off. But so did Labour, the difference being that their campaign was kept out of the media spotlight. Well done to Gordon Banks, who has a fight on his hands to keep his
own seat. If he runs his own campaign, he may be able to pull it off!

As for other elements to look for after the dust has settled: questions over the idea that interest rates were cut by 1.5 points on the day of a by election (Lindsay Roy even mentioned in his victory speech that interest rates were at a record low under Gordon Brown). One other point: the result further down the sheet shows that the Liberal Democrat vote in Scotland is collapsing. Its supporters are drifting to the other main players: the SNP and to a lesser degree Labour, allowing the Tories to capitalise.

What a night. The only thing predictable about by elections these days is that they deliver surprise. Every time. Over and out.

23.39: Labour sources reckon they have "won out of the park".

Another, more moderate source admitted: "I am much happier than earlier in the day, put it that day. We are certainly ahead in all the places we should be."

One SNP source, clearly smarting from the shock, tells me "The local care charges scare played better than we thought. We have lost. We may have halved their majority but that's about it. Still, it shows there is all to play for at the next election." Labour's majority is 10,664 so the SNP has made an incursion, but not an ambush, possibly losing by around 5,000.

Voter turnout is 36,290, which is 52.37%, massive for a by election. Postal vote returns are 80 per cent, which is where Labour also reckons it is strong. These account for ten per cent of the vote.

I got a text from someone close to Number 10 this morning telling me that I was right to doubt in yesterday's blog to say that I was doubtful of received wisdom. And so it is.

23.25: TOLD you it was too early to call. I am now hearing that Labour has "won boxes it shouldn't have won" and other parties reckon that Lindsay Roy could win. Expect much more zig-zagging throughout the night.

23.09: WAY way too early to pin this result down with any accuracy as polls just closed an hour ago...BUT Labour seem a bit despondent both in London and up here. Meanwhile the SNP are far more jittery than several hours ago. One source said: "It's tighter than we would like but we are still hopeful."

What gives the Nats hope is that the turnout in SNP strong wards, such as Markinch, is 60 per cent, while Labour dominated areas are reporting a 40 per cent turnout. The Tories reckon they have pipped the Lib Dems, but may still lose their deposit. We will know in about 90 minutes which way the wind is blowing.



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PJ07,

06/11/2008 23:59:26
The labour postal voter scam must be investigated fully.

Also the Labour media nazis with their doomladen campaign have written their own death warrant.

Has the circulation dropped below 40,000 yet?
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PJ07,

07/11/2008 00:08:11
Lying Labour lobby fodder in time for the economy to collapse.

Nice to see the media in full hate mode.

WHen 20000 jobs are lost in Brown's war against the Scottish banks will Labour win anything?

I wish I lived in a free country.

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fifeis great,

Kirkcaldy 07/11/2008 00:57:29
Its great to see the abuse and excuses from a party who were going to cause an earthquake, more like alex farting
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John McCain's Frozen Chips,

Glasgow 07/11/2008 00:58:42
Glenrothes won with a 6737 majority.
Edinburgh council by-election won.
Glasgow Baillieston council by-election won.
A great night for Labour.
And the dark clouds are gathering for the Nats.
I reckon Salmond's laughable performance over HBOS has destroyed much of his credibility.
Thanks to all the Nats gloating we've had in recent months, people have had to consider seriously the prospect of independence . . .
And the economic catastrophe that would be.
And they didn't like what they saw, and came running back to Uncle Gordon.

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subrosa,

07/11/2008 01:10:12
Oh dearie me, the labour lot are falling over themselves patting their own backs.

Wait until next year when the mishandling of the UK economy starts to show. That'll be when people realise that Gordon Brown was the cause of it and when they see other countries recovering far more quickly.

Anyway the Tories are still in line to win the next general election regardless of this result.
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The_Reiver,

07/11/2008 01:32:55
NO YOU CAN'T!!!!!

I don't care that Labour won, but that the SNP LOST is so sweet. Lets hope this is an end to Salmond's smugness and SNP hubris and hate.

What a load of Arc's. Schadenfreude- too mild a word. How do you like it SNP clowns now?
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Calvinist,

07/11/2008 01:47:15
Now the aftershock eh Alex?! Next time chose a better methphor- eathquakes are destructive.

PS try harder in future; 12 vists was clearly not nearly enough. And perhaps if your core activists gave up their bully-boy tactics you might get a more posive response.

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Matt there,

Somewhere 07/11/2008 02:24:16
"Lindsay Roy even mentioned in his victory speech that interest rates were at a record low under Gordon Brown..."

But he forgot to mention the ever-increasing unemployment levels, how food price inflation is -according to some experts- up to 20% and so on.

My word. for someone who claims to be a political novice that Lindsay Roy will have his mouth firm shoved into the vat of Westminster Old Peculiar Pigswill along with all his New Labour colleagues!
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democracy,

Scottish Borders 07/11/2008 04:59:24
#9, nothing intelligent to say huh? GOOD, a true Unionist!!
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roughrider,

Glasgow 07/11/2008 07:33:19
Well thats it Glenrothes has no one representing them in westmidden as Roy is a broon noser and will only do what his master Broon tells him, a pathetic no mark Roy is a waste of space.
Another labour pig with its snout in the public trough.
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PaulW,

Borders 07/11/2008 10:20:13
Reiver, I am guessing you support either the Tories or the Fib Dems. You almost sound as rampantly anti-SNP as Lib Dem MSP Jeremy Purves, which is not healthy. Calm down before you have a nasty turn. Either way I hope you enjoy reading the runes of your own party’s collapse in good fortune.
Let’s get this straight: Yes, personally, I am hugely disappointed we did not win, but I am proud of our campaign and thosefrom the Borders who worked on it. I have no doubt there will be strategic messages to absorb, but I am not close to the numbers/data from the day. However, that said, the SNP vote increased by 13.1%, from 23.4% to 36.5%. That in itself is probably about 5 to 6% short of where it needed to be in the event that the party was to win in a scenario that Labour’s vote was falling, so we failed to achieve what we set out to achieve.
Of course, in practice, unexpectedly and perhaps aided by a 1.5% base rate cut for which Labour should take no credit (especially as it indicates the economy is in dire straits), Labour’s vote actually increased by 3.2%. I do congratulate Lindsay Roy for that result, which is undoubtedly a very good one for him personally. However, I would appeal to him to cease misleading the people of his constituency on care home charges (lower than several labour Council charges, including Glasgow) and on education “cuts” – his own School budget was proved to have increased by more than inflation this year. New Labour, Old Labour or New Liebour – you decide. Mr Roy also needs to find out what a Post Office Card Account is....quickly, before his colleagues condemn thousands more local post offices to closure.
The unwritten story, although Gerri alludes to it here, is the bad news for the Fib Dems, in particular. to see a collapse in support of around 11%, and for the Tories. How far they have fallen since Dunfermline. For them to poll less than 4% each (Fib Dems polled 2.6%, the Tories 3.8%) is an unmitigated disaster for both
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PaulW,

Borders 07/11/2008 10:22:20
For them to poll less than 4% each (Fib Dems polled 2.6%, the Tories 3.8%) is an unmitigated disaster for both Nick Clegg (and new boy Tavish Scott) and for David Cameron. They are becoming irrelevant. I suspect that there will be quite a bit of Fib Dem concern in both Dunfermline and East Dunbartonshire right now as to the prospects of holding either of those seats, while it blows a hole in their prospects in Edinburgh South (also for the Tories) and North and Leith. Technically there was a large swing of around 12% from the Fib Dems to the SNP and a swing of around 8% from Tories to the SNP. That should bring you down to earth a little, I suspect.
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/11/2008 10:28:17
I think most of us got it wrong - even those who thought it might be close. Labour increased their share by 3% and comfortably held on despite the SNP throwing everything including the kitchen sink at Labour. For the SNP it is not a disaster but it should give them pause for thought.

The reasons why they did not make the big break-through are complex but I'll try to give my thoughts on why they lost.

The SNP still try to fight elections as the opposition and, as we saw here, that is no longer the case in Scotland. The consequence of at least one policy contributed to their downfall here. The council tax freeze may be nationally a popular move but at a local level councils are finding it hard to implement. It was easy for Labour to attack the local Lib Dem/SNP coalition for charges for local services - charges I believe are a direct result of freezing the Council Tax. If they want to avoid this issue happening again then serious consideration is going to have to be given to the block grant levels that councils receive. That in itself may have implications for funding other Scottish Government priorities. Something will have to give - and it will not be the Council Tax freeze. I would expect some other SNP policy to be delayed or even abandoned altogether to keep their flagship policy intact.

Another issue is undoubtedly was independence. I have been derided here for pointing out that Labour would try to use the global financial crisis and events in countries such as Iceland for their own political benefit. Whether events in Iceland (or Hungary, Ukraine etc) have a direct correlation to Scottish independence is irrelevant (I personally don't think they do). The perception is that they do and the SNP have only themselves to blame. Salmond set himself up for a fall with his Arc of Prosperity speech. The SNP need to start making the case for Scottish independence purely in Scottish terms not on what another country has done.

(to be continued)
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The Federalist (the poster formerly know as NAUON),

07/11/2008 10:28:34
(continued)

That brings us to the third area - oil. The last month or so has shown that economies who rely heavily on a particular natural resource suffer due to fluctuating commodity prices. Here in Scotland some are beginning to realise the fallacy of SNP economic policy that is built on the price of oil. The SNP were fine when oil prices were at a high level but now at the low price levels we have now their argument has been undermined. The SNP need to take oil out of the argument and make the case that economic independence is possible whether or not we have oil. That means they really do need to make a reassessment of their policies for a post-independence Scotland.

The truth is that if the SNP are going to win an independence referendum they have a long way to go to convince the agnostics in the electorate. They need to make a much more subtle case that the one they have made thus far.
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PaulW,

Borders 07/11/2008 11:12:03
Federalist. I don't diagree with a lot about what you are saying on the changing landscape and tactics.

Personally, I think those arguments can be made and can be won, but you are right that they need to be made, or at least made more effectively for that agnostic/sceptical audience.

I think we have perhaps been swamped by a negative media and have struggled to be heard. Ironically, now that the by-election is over, that may be easier, as the papers will have some space for debate on these very issues.

Also, Labour's bounce will be unwinding over the next six months to a year, if they wait that long. Unemployment and collapsing household budgets will see to that, although even though it will help the SNP, I would rather see people keeping their jobs.

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salmondella,

England 07/11/2008 11:19:03
Independence for Scotland is dead in the water that's what the lesson the credit crunch has taught us. Not to say that Labour have all the answers clearly they have a long way to go before they can wipe out the tartan tories - and its the real tories that they have to beat in England. Only bold and radical measures to attack the roots of the systen that causes the present crisis can enable a future Labour victory. there's still time so I live in hope.
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