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Published Date: 02 July 2009
UK MINISTERS have vowed they will "continue to support" Scotland's two Royal Navy shipyards in an attempt to allay fears that both are facing closure over cutbacks.
Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy, who will today meet senior bosses at BVT, the giant group which runs both the Scotstoun and Govan yards on the Clyde, said the future of the two yards was "the strongest in a generation". His pledge came despite a leake
d internal memo from within BVT, published earlier this week, which showed that the firm was already preparing contingency plans that could lead to the loss of at least one of the yards after 2014, when work on building two aircraft carriers is complete.

The backing of the UK government yesterday led to fresh speculation from defence insiders that the leak of the memo had been deliberately engineered from within the industry, as part of an attempt to flush out ministerial support.

It comes with BVT bidding for more government contracts beyond the aircraft carrier deal, such as the complex Mars programme to improve the navy's support vessels.

However, sources from within the company last night claimed that the leak of a document written by BVT Surface Fleet's chief executive, Alan Johnston, was a deliberate attempt to destabilise its relationship with the Ministry of Defence.

SNP MPs yesterday demanded an urgent Commons statement from ministers, demanding that they "come clean" over the future of the two yards.

The leaked memo showed Mr Johnston forecasting savings of up to £500 million for BVT Surface Fleet from the closure of the two yards after the £5 billion contract for two Royal Navy supercarriers is completed in 2014.

More than 4,000 people still work in the firm's two remaining yards at the Clyde.

SNP defence spokesman Angus Robertson said: "The future of thousands of shipyard jobs have been thrown into doubt, and Gordon Brown himself must end this intolerable uncertainty right now."





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  • Last Updated: 02 July 2009 11:00 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Shipbuilding
 
1

Willie Mor,

02/07/2009 00:23:06
As if Jim Murphy has any say so on what happens to MOD contracts.

I mean does he even get to speak to people like Mandelson who now calls the shots and pulls Gordon Brown's strings.

The cat however is out of the bag irrespective of what our Poo Bah secretary tries to say.
2

donald,

glasgow 02/07/2009 05:59:22
Shipyard workers receive loyalty cards for voting Labour.
3

Linda,

Edinburgh 02/07/2009 08:00:16
Don't believe a word the unctuous Murphy says
4

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02/07/2009 08:52:03
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5

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 02/07/2009 09:17:09
Murphy says that the shipyards have a decade of work ?
We thought that they only had work up to 2014.
Does he think that two shipyards with five years work each make a decade ?
With 4,000 people working there this is no time to muck about numbers.
6

Derick fae Yell,

The Gairden by the Hoose 02/07/2009 09:17:13
By-election TIHHHME!!!!

Murphy is a political operator, no more.

He should drop in at Govan Law Centre for a wee cuppa and a bit of the old class sizes 'banter'. ooh the Glesgae Banter! mmm.

7

oder,

Scotland 02/07/2009 09:46:11
Scotland will loose one yard in this review, and a year or two down the road the other in the next review, no English MP will vote to close a yard in England were they have a say! for one in Scotland where they dont! it is good policy to keep Scotland dependent under Westminster control, while at the same time they have access to Scotland's natural resources no matter how little this maybe!the captain of the ship determines into which waters it goes,until a Scot is captain the ship just goes round in circles which suits Westminster as the can climb aboard whenever they like! the English are not to blame for this! the Scots are!

Westminster vows to back Clyde shipyards after closure fears

means absolutely nothing! what else can they say?

the reality is goodbye to these yards!
8

Venachar,

02/07/2009 11:38:06
I remember a number of years ago the sitting MP dangled an MOD contract for a missile barge I think to Scott - Lithgows. She lost her seat and the contract mysteriously disappears.

This is just politicing don't believe a word of what any of them say.
9

Rob Royston,

Bishopbriggs 02/07/2009 14:36:05
The name says it all, There is no Scottish input in BVT's name, so anyone who thinks that the Vosper Thornycroft yard will close at the expense of a nameless Clyde one needs to think again. The only question now is if the assets will be stripped before the referendum.
10

Eve,

Scotland 02/07/2009 14:36:10
It's either a ploy to begin with or Jim Murphys lying!!!

"Westminster vows to back Clyde shipyards after closure fears" F$%^^ what power do they have, they've made some very big blunders in the banking industry and have allowed banks to get rid of staff at time of high unemployment so they can either fund lavished events at the likes of Wimbledon (for people who are already reasonable well off in the money department) or give money to their share holders.

Why should we believe them over this. The Westminster Administration just can't be trusted when it come to the presence of jobs and many other things.
11

pitpony,

musselburgh 02/07/2009 14:42:12
sorry boys and girls at scotstoun and govan you will find your self,s on the dole soon.jim murphy is a total tw@t. know i want to know about trident going to faslane on the clyde from portsmouth is this going to happen i think not?
12

connaughtboy,

stonehaven 02/07/2009 16:06:35
How can Murphy reassure anyone while his boss in london is putting together a massive redundancy package for the (ex) workers?
13

Neil Waugh,

Neil Waugh 02/07/2009 16:24:20
Oh, so that's why they put off Gorbals Mick's byelection.
Cynical to the max.
Wee Eck is going to have fun with this one. If it wasn't so tragic for the fitters and their families.
First the banks, then the whisky, now the shipyards, what's Scotland got left.
14

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 02/07/2009 17:21:01
That's why LieBore is so utterly predictable about their own survival over the fate of ordinary hard-working families. Empty promises and rhetoric.
15

morris,

edinburgh 02/07/2009 19:23:54
15
If Scotland was independent she would not get UK MOD contracts presumably because she would not be in the UK.
She would not get MOD orders from London probably,but she would get them from Edinburgh.In fact its actually possible that she could get orders from anywhere but obviously we compete with everybody else.

Considering an independent Scotland wants conventional forces as in army navy and air force if anything we might need MORE ships for our navy.We certainly will need some.Clydeside still has a name which is renowned in shipbuilding and you have to be a complete moron to think that we would allow our shipbuilding industry to follow Ravenscraig etc doon the swanny !

Scotland already pays for her pro rata share of UK armed forces and would not require any less under independence.How many countries do you know who do not have a defence policy.Last time I counted them I couldn't because they dont exist.
16

morris,

edinburgh 02/07/2009 19:25:32
16 Hes a we bit short on detail? hes totally lacking in anything at all!
17

morris,

edinburgh 02/07/2009 19:35:49
13 I think the reassurances given by Lurch Murphy are worthless and they dont dare go to the polls in Glasgow unless and until they have had time to get round the doors reassuring everybody that Clydebank's shipbuilding is in safe hands.
Thats why these documents exist !Because its not true.Aye and pigs will fly!

Anybody who believes anything Murphy says deserves what they will get .

If you want to save these shipbuilding jobs Glasgow make sure Labour get the biggest hiding in political history.Anything less and you are finished.
18

Number 6,

Germany 02/07/2009 19:36:37
Scotland would get Defense contracts from Westminster if they presented the best tender.

The UK already sources much of it's defence equipment from abroad. I doubt they would refuse to do business with a Scottish defence industry, just because we voted for Independence.

Considering Scottish Unionista MPs at Westminster's determination to stay at the top trough, they would probably still be there ten years after independence anyway.
19

morris,

edinburgh 02/07/2009 19:41:50
20 Exactly ! Not only is what he said nonsense the very opposite is perfectly possible !

he obviously repeats what some other Labour numpty told him He couldn't possibly arrive at that conclusion by himself.If he thought at all he would realise this is Labour numpty scaremongering designed for consumption by anybody crazy enough to believe it!
20

puskas,

East kilbride 02/07/2009 20:03:28
Whatever Spud says it won't save him at the next GE...

How can this man sleep at night...

Born liar.. scrounging votes .. Hmnnnn. Will it work?

21

puskas,

East kilbride 02/07/2009 20:08:39
Many good posts on this article.. A pity we haven't got a few of you as shop union convenors and committee members.
I do not know who the full time union official was. BBC Scotland 810 .. quote went something like this..

"This could change maybe next week or next year.. nothing is certain."

Well that quote has been hidden as the day goes on...
22

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/07/2009 20:31:21
"Westminster vows to back Clyde shipyards after closure fears"

That'll be the kiss of death then, eh?
23

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/07/2009 20:37:56
Aye. All these things that were going to be under threat of closure if Scotland left the UK. How they shut down anyway under the Union.

It really is beyond me how any Scot with a brain cell cannot find the testes or flaps to vote for full autonomy.
24

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/07/2009 20:39:12
From Westminster.
25

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 02/07/2009 20:39:52
And then we can debate Brussels.
26

Wolf of Badenoch,

02/07/2009 21:15:53
No doubt the final decision on any closure will take
place as it always does in the corporate world in the power base that is the HeadQuarters. I wonder how the power based has been engineered in this situation.

BVT is a joint venture head quartered in England between 'British' Aerospace also headquartered in England and the "VT Group" also headquartered in England.

BVT - HQ Plymouth England
http://www.linkedin.com/companies/bvt-surface-fleet-ltd
'British' Aerospace - HQ Hampshire England
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/pr?s=BA.L
VT Group - HQ Southampton, England
http://www.vtplc.com/Contactus/

Coupled with at least a decade of upcoming England imposed Tory rule it is pretty clear that power is concentrated massively and increasingly so in England and it should come as no surprise when they will make decisions to favour England, just part of a standard Modus operandi for the British e.g. Steel Industry Removed from Scotland, Car Industry Removed from Scotland. Coincidentally England just happened to retain both Industries. What is next - ShipBuilding to be removed from Scotland certainly the secret memos appear to indicate that is planned, Banks to be removed from Scotland - HBOS & Dunfermline, no doubt Brown was disappointed to not be able to fully move RBS to England also.

Scotland needs to stand up for herself and quickly reverse the annexing and massive centralization of
power in England.
27

Ewen Miler,

Wilts 02/07/2009 21:59:02
#20.

No RN ship for the last 40 -50 years has been outside the UK; the last ones were from the US in WW2. Dream on if you think the UK will built warships in Scotland if Scotland is a foreign power! Dream on if you think any EU nation will build them here, unless they don't have the expertise or you're mega amounts cheaper. Also if you're not in NATO forget it. The UK tries to buy its kit at home; kit bought from aborad is changed to meet the UK requiremments - e.g. Apache, built under licence in the Uk with RR Engines, so as to keep/create jobs in the UK.
28

Ewen Miler,

Wilts 02/07/2009 22:06:41
#28.

75% of UK Law is decreed by Brussels. I don't understand how Scotland can be independant if it's in the EU? With 11 MEPs out of 730 plus - can't see an Independant Scotland having any; 46 MPs out of 638 MPs is a better ratio for influence.

Regarding jobs: get Holyrood to cut business tax and it will make the Scottish yards more attractive. Also how's and Independant Scotland going to fund HBOS and RBS?
29

Wolf of Badenoch,

02/07/2009 22:32:34
30 Ewen Miler,Wilts

"75% of UK Law is decreed by Brussels. I don't understand how Scotland can be independant if it's in the EU? "

Firstly who says an Independent Scotland will remain
in the EU. It will be up to Scottish people and
their representatives which organizations to which we
wish to be party. By your observation it would
appear that equally with 75% of the laws that you believe are made in the EU England is also not independent, so not sure of your point there.

"With 11 MEPs out of 730 plus - can't see an Independant Scotland having any; 46 MPs out of 638 MPs is a better ratio for influence."

Well nice of you to point out that the number of MEPs we have would likely double to 12 rather
the miserly 6 we have just now representing us. And don't try and tell me all of England's MEPs speak for
Scotland especially the large number UKIP and BNP who
are largely an English phenomena. Perhaps you did not realize that you have basically insulted all small independent nations in Europe with 20 or less MEPs which makes up a large proportion of EU membership.
Additionally the smaller countries will often have similar interests and will group together to form
blocs to further those interests.

http://grahnlaw.blogspot.com/2009/02/european-parliament-number-of-meps-2009.html

"46 MPs out of 638 MPs"

Out voted by over 90% you call that reasonable representation ? The Union is England dominated
always has been always will be until we dismantle
it. Perhaps you could tell me how much representation
the largest party, the most popular party
and the governing party of Scotland
has in the second chamber the House Of Lords ? Well
it would be 0%, perhaps you think that is all a fair
representation ?

"Regarding jobs: get Holyrood to cut business tax and it will make the Scottish yards more attractive."

Agreed that is one item, but largely impotent without
at least full fiscal autonomy.

"Also how's and Independant Scotland going to
30

Wolf of Badenoch,

02/07/2009 22:33:04
30 Ewen Miler,Wilts
...

"Also how's and Independant Scotland going to fund HBOS and RBS?""

Yep quite right no small countries have their own banks. Perhaps a good start would be to have regulation of Scottish banks by Scottish based regulators Even although HBOS and RBS were HQ'ed in
Scotland the FSA monitoring was all done from London with the small FSA Edinburgh not even remotely
involved. Again at least full fiscal autonomy would be
another crucial factor in growing business in Scotland
including banks.
31

redcliffe62,

02/07/2009 23:36:51
if the companies involved are both based on the south coast of england they would favour those areas over scotland, particularly as the long term position of scotland politically is unknown.
other than labour trying to imply, incorrectly, had scotland not been heading for independence they might have stayed in scotland there is not much to say.
after car jobs and steel jobs, this was a natural progression as it is certain the tory buttress of south england, where the map is all blue, will make sure that the mod jobs are in their constituencies. i would do the same if i had power in westminster. it is only common sense.
we should not forget that being profitable was less important than geographical position when the car industry was divvied up in the 80's.

 

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