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Published Date: 19 August 2008
FOREIGN Secretary David Miliband is set to travel to the Georgian capital Tbilisi following a meeting of Nato ministers which denounced Russia's involvement in the region.
Mr Miliband said the Nato ministers were clear Russia had broken international law during the conflict over the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia.

Speaking after the emergency summit in Brussels, he told reporters: "The Nato membership was clear that Russia had violated international laws as well as the rules of the international game."

The UK Government has been criticised for failing to send a representative to Georgia during the crisis.

Mr Miliband said it had been agreed that US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice would visit Georgia before the Nato summit and that he would go afterwards.

"Britain has been extremely active on this issue," he said.

Mr Miliband said: "I am delighted that I am going to be able to go to Georgia to report on real Nato unity.

"Unity that Russia must abide by the ceasefire agreement and withdraw its troops, and a unity that there must be new practical and political support for Georgia as it seeks to defend itself and ensure that its territory is respected, that its independence and sovereignty is recognised but also that it starts on the route to Nato membership that was set out in May."

Under the terms of the EU-brokered truce, Russian forces must withdraw from inside Georgia to their positions before violence erupted earlier this month.

Mr Miliband said: "I think there was a real feeling in the Nato meeting today that Russia has failed to live up to its commitments and that has serious consequences for the trust that is placed in Russia as an international partner."

Russia needed to realise that the world had moved "decisively beyond the Soviet era", he said, and "force is not a basis to redraw the map" of surrounding nations.

Mr Miliband said there was no division within Nato that Russia had violated international law.

He added: "Russia wants to be a respected international player but it can only be so if it lives up to its responsibilities.

"That is the political drive that will ensure that Russia lives up to its commitment to withdraw its troops but also that it doesn't make further threats to other neighbours who treasure their own independence."

Mr Miliband said the approach to Moscow should be one of "hard-headed engagement" rather than seeking to isolate Russia.

But he said there was "no question" of carrying on with business as usual and holding Nato-Russian meetings as if nothing had happened.

Mr Miliband said the UK was willing to play a "full part" in sending observers to monitor the fragile ceasefire in the region.

He said: "Russian mind games on withdrawal do them no credit.

"The quick deployment of international monitors is also vital (the UK will play its full part in this)."

Mr Miliband said the UK was also committed to providing humanitarian aid to the area.

Mr Miliband said Nato's military commanders said the Russians were engaged in "military adventurism" in Georgia, beyond the boundaries of the disputed regions South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

He told BBC Radio 4's The World at One: "The scale of Russian military activity is very large and that is why Georgians are talking about an invasion and why the rest of the world, not just in the EU but elsewhere around the UN, are saying that Russia must live up to the commitments it has made to withdraw to before the August 7 boundaries."

The Nato ministers had agreed on a route map for Georgian Nato membership, he said.

"What we are going to agree today is a special mechanism that will bind Nato and Georgia together, a Nato-Georgia commission, that will take forward that commitment to Georgian membership."

He continued: "We have not been debating timelines today, what we have been debating is the route map.

"The route map involves practical co-operation as well as political co-operation between Georgia – the Georgian government, the Georgian military – and Nato."

Tory leader David Cameron visited Tbilisi last week, a high-profile trip which which highlighted the fact that neither Mr Miliband nor Prime Minister Gordon Brown had gone to Georgia.

But Mr Miliband said: "I don't think that is very significant. I talked with Condi Rice last week about how we had to make sure there was proper engagement with the Georgian government and we agreed that she would go before today's Nato meeting ... and I would go straight afterwards."

Mr Miliband said it was "complete nonsense" to suggest that tensions between him and Mr Brown over the Labour leadership had delayed a visit.
"I spoke to the Prime Minister about this issue yesterday as I have previously.

"This is an international crisis in which the Government, at all levels, is acting in a unified and effective way."

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  • Last Updated: 19 August 2008 3:42 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Georgia , Russia
 
1

Neil,

Glasgow 19/08/2008 16:07:22
"force is not a basis to redraw the map"

Tell that to the people of Yugoslavia you lying racisr genocidal, child raping, organlegging Nazi war criminal.

It is truly Orwellian how scum like this can expect us to suck up their lies as if their previous murders never happened.
2

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 19/08/2008 16:19:17
#1

Moron
3

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 19/08/2008 16:29:36
Wasn't it Slobbering Malevolence who wrecked Yugoslavia? I thought Millipede was just a wee scuzzbag with a traiterous boss and a lavatory mouth...
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Mercian,

UK 19/08/2008 16:59:49
# 1 Neil

WTF? Are you a David Icke reader?

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Mashimaro,

China 19/08/2008 18:28:17
Well, this is a surprise - he says sarcastically.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 19/08/2008 18:40:47
NATO says that Russia is the criminal. I see NATO is making laws for the world now. Didn't Georgia start the violence by attacking civilian population areas & civilian infrastructure without any warning without any real provocation whatsoever? I mean you don't like the politics of a neighboring province and so you just go and attack them and kill 2,000 people without any warning whatsoever. Georgia didn't attack Russian military. It attacked a civilian population that was heavily Russian. and then Russia went into action militarilly. this makes Russia the criminal.

Let it be known that the people who rule over the US, NATO and even the EU are engaged in an attempt to start world war 3. and then ask yourselves who the criminals are.

here's a video clip of the Georgian president saying that he started this war on behalf of the New World order.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3547

he didn't actually say in the clip that he started this war, but factual reality is that he did start this war - even though propaganda media does say that Russia is to blame, facts are - georgia started it.
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Wally,

By The Rivers of Babylon (USA) 19/08/2008 18:45:29
here is a link showing some 'basic facts' about this Georgia-Russia conflict.

http://www.the-peoples-forum.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=3489

note that it is published on an obscure web site. truths concerning many issues are published in such places and obscured in the mass media. if deception & delusion among the people are to be achieved in a 'free' society, then it must be so.
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19/08/2008 19:00:21
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Neil,

Glasgow 19/08/2008 19:02:29
I note that "All politicians" & "Mercian" are totally unable to dispute the facts proving that our politicians are indeed "lying racist genocidal, child raping, organlegging Nazi war criminals" & thus just slip into gratuitious insults.

I would be more impressed if, rather than single word insults either of them was cabable of making a reasoned rebuttle of exactly why there is no dishonsty in using force to redraw maps (as well as engaging in genocide, child rape, organlegging & all the other practices our leaders undeniably enagage in) & then complaining about the Russians spoiling your fun by interfering in another attempted genocide.

On the other hand if they were capable of such intellectual feats they wouldn't be on the fascist side.
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 19/08/2008 19:09:45
regarding Neil's comment in #1 and subsequent name-calling:

it is an historical fact that both US & UN officials were caught participating in, helping & sheltering a gang of criminals in Kosovo who were kidnapping under-aged girls and using them in prostitution rings, what we call 'white-slavery' phenomenon. These officials were not prosecuted, instead an American female police officer who helped uncover this was sent to a psychiatric facility and drugged up every day into a stupor.

It is an historical fact that in belgium pedophile gangs who committed many horrible crimes were sheltered from prosecution by the government.

It is an historical fact that pedophile gangs in San Francisco, CA & in northern Florida also were sheltered from prosecution by local officials by US federal government who in both cases told local police that the pedophile gangs were CIA-associated. It is also an historical fact that a pedophile gang in Nebraska was similarly sheltered.
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19/08/2008 19:26:54
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Gere,

Scotland 19/08/2008 19:48:13
Let us see now, the US and NATO can lie that a country like Iraq has WMD and on the strength of that lie invade Iraq with the express purpose of effecting regime change and installing a puppet government compliant to the will of the US and the Israeli slave masters of the US. No respect for the territorial integrity of Iraq there. The US did not like the results of the first democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran in 1953, a certain Dr Mossadeqe. The US engineered a coup and placed an American puppet, the Shah on the throne. He proceeded to set up torture factories all over Iran and thousands dissapeared. Like any other nation the Iranians turned to their religion and fell under the spell of the mad Mullahs. On 3July 1988 an American Naval Captain on a state of the art warship in the Gulf murdered some 290 civilian Iranians who were passengers on a Iranian Air Bus, a bit big to mistake it for a military aircraft. As long as it is America doing the invading and killing it is somehow lawful. Unless it is American or Jewish life it has no value! That reminds me Israel has been selling arms to Georgia and there was a sizable number of Israeli "military advisors" in Georgia before Georgia launched an unprovoked attack on Ossetian civilians!!! Speak up Israel, what is your game this time?????
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Gere,

Scotland 19/08/2008 19:50:07
Oh yes that reminds me why is Kosovo independent, it was part of Serbian territory. What happened to respect for territorial integrity there?????
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Wally,

By The Rivers Of babylon (USA) 19/08/2008 20:39:14
#11 Whitecaps:

all of those things were reported in major newspapers.

Example - the story about the San Francisco pedophile gang was reported right in San Francisco Chronicle (San Francisco's #1 paper) and the San Jose Mercury News (suburb San Jose's #1 paper). San Francisco police detective was quoted by name saying that they were forced to drop the prosecution of the pedohile gang by the federal government who told them that it was a CIA-associated operation. The #1 leader of the pedophile gang was a US Army officer (colonel Aquino). He was let go though evidence was overwhelming that he'd engaged in pedophile activities with many young children. Years later the same individual was thrown in jail by the state of california under a 300 year sentence. He was let go in less than 6 months.

The other stories I mentioned also were reported in major newspapers. Its not my fault if the corporate media does not spread the news.

tv is not reality.
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19/08/2008 20:55:52
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Dougie - Edinburgh,

19/08/2008 21:23:45
2, 3 and 4
The first post makes a serious point: Miliband is a shameless hypocrite. He was part of a government which used force to push the Yugoslav military out of Yugoslav sovereign territory. Yugoslavia accepted a cease fire subject to the promise that Kosovo would officially remain part of Yugoslavia. NATO has broken this promise despite Russia asking that it would not.

Russia is behaving in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in the same way that his government behaved in Kosovo as part of NATO.

For Miliband to come out with the line "force is not a basis to redraw the map" just two months after the Republic of Kosovo became official is breathtaking.
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henrymanchester,

UK 19/08/2008 22:03:01
Live in hope that the Russians will take away Milliband and we'll never see the idiot again.
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WL,

livingston 19/08/2008 22:34:22
Suddenly everyone, including mr Miliband, is going to Georgia, for whatever reason (I hope they know why).
But that does not give Georgia its independence back. The Russians have occupied (part of) Georgia and they will have to withdraw. And they should not leave so-called peacekeeping forces there. Russia is NOT a peacekeeper.
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Richardinho,

19/08/2008 22:46:46
Given that Britain doesn't have the capability to actually do anything to stop Russia, it strikes me as rather foolhardy of it to threaten it in this way.

Of course, the reality is that Britain no longer has an independent voice. It is simply the mouthpiece of the USA.
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Newman!,

19/08/2008 23:32:12
"Occupying territory, violating international law" - who are we talking about here? The US? Israel? UK? they all do it but hey we're the good guys arent we so its ok. Did we bomb any weddings today?
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 19/08/2008 23:40:33
has nato branded the usa and the uk unlawful, didnt they invade iraq, oh so sorry they were protecting their oil interests,
dont throw stones they may boomerang and hit you
the breakaway province in georgia has mainly russians as citizens and russia is right to protect them, in a similar situation i would hope the usa and uk would protect their own people
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20/08/2008 03:15:47
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 20/08/2008 10:39:15
the georgians were killing civilians in the breakaway province
before the invasion of iraq they were not shooting down
alliea aircraft
the reason given for the invasion of iraq was that it possesed weapons of mass destruction, none,not even one were found
face it harry the usa and the uk made a serious error of judgement, why else would none of their traditional allies join them , and the un did say that their invasion was illegal
the ntruth is that the usa and uk were wrong to attack iraq, georgia was wrong to attack defenceless civilians in the breakaway province and the russians were wrong to use excessive force beyond that which was required to protect the area that they had occupied
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20/08/2008 11:56:14
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Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 12:40:13
#24 There were no reasons for anyone to go anywhere near Iraq. What went on in Iraq was nobody's business.
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20/08/2008 17:11:02
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20/08/2008 17:28:52
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Mashimaro,

China 21/08/2008 01:47:31
D-945 - the current events would not have happened in Georgia if the United States had not interfered with the country. It is really quite simple. Let me put it in point form for you easy reading.
Israel and the US armed Georgia to the teeth.
The US interfered with Georgian elections to put into power an unstable stooge.
Russia has warned it will not tolerate certain actions. Its security is threated by having an US base right on its doorstep - just like the US got all upset about missiles in Cuba and nearly wet its panties when it thought Russian bombers were gong to refuel in Cuba recently.
Georgia is a refuelling station for Israeli bombers should there be a strike against Iran.
The US poured grant money into Georgia so that Georgia could buy up weapons made in Israel and the US.
Do you think Putin is mucking about?
Iraq is an entirely different debate and I see you've learned your slogans well. It is not as it was presented in the western press.
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Mashimaro,

China 21/08/2008 01:51:36
#28 Idiots? No. I think it is an organisation controlled by the US which gives the US a strong military foothold in Europe.
I think it is used to constantly threaten Russia for various reasons - maintain oil insecurity, maintain weapons sales, attempt to make sure Russia does not reach its full economic and military potential.
I think it should have been disbanded at the end of the cold war and there is no reason for it still to be around. But hey, if you like to be used by the US, have their soldiers in your territories, your little girls being raped like they do in Japan... go for it. Don't get your panties in a wad when Russia takes appropriate action to defend itself.
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