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Published Date: 20 August 2008
NATO agreed after US pressure yesterday to freeze regular contacts with Russia until Moscow had withdrawn its troops from Georgia in line with a peace deal.
The alliance also agreed to upgrade links with Tbilisi but stopped short of accelerating its efforts to join Nato, an ambition which had enraged Russia even before the two-week-old conflict over Georgia's breakaway South Ossetia region.

"We have
determined that we cannot continue with business as usual," the 26 Nato states said in a joint declaration issued after emergency talks in Brussels.

The statement did not explicitly refer to a US demand to suspend contacts within the Nato-Russia Council, but Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, Nato's secretary-general, said it was clear such contacts could not take place at present.

"As long as Russian forces are basically occupying a large part of Georgia I cannot see a Nato-Russia Council convening at whatever level.

"But I should add that we certainly do not have the intention to close all doors in our communication with Russia," he said, after several European allies, including Britain, expressed doubts about the move.

The Nato statement drew sharp condemnation from Moscow, where the Sergei Lavrov, the foreign minister, accused the alliance of bias and wanting to support a "criminal regime" in Tbilisi.

Months of tension between Georgia and Russia erupted on 7 August, when Tbilisi sought to regain control of South Ossetia. Russia, which backs the separatists, launched a massive counter-offensive well into Georgia.

A column of tanks left the Georgian town of Gori yesterday, but Russian officials said the main withdrawal would not happen for three more days.

Since the end of the Cold War, Nato and Russia have agreed modest co-operation in areas such as counter- terrorism.





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  • Last Updated: 19 August 2008 10:24 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Russia , Georgia
 
1

Newman!,

20/08/2008 00:14:06
The American military-industrial complex requires perpetual war for perpetual profit and if there were no enemies then why would you need to spend trillions of taxpayers money on military spending greater than the rest of the world COMBINED. Can any of the neocon bloggers here give me a sane/sensible reason why that should be required by the US?
2

2dogs in D.C.,

20/08/2008 00:30:01
Hey, Newman, I happen to be a U.S.Taxpayer, and I'm not happy with this-Don't tar us all w/the same brush.
3

henrymanchester,

UK 20/08/2008 01:33:41
An idiot for a President, and a secretary of state who got the job not because of her qualifications to do the job, but because of her gender and skin colour.

What did you expect Russia to do but exploit the situation?
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Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa Canada 20/08/2008 02:42:57
STOP RUSSIA GAZPROM RABASKA LNG FACILITY IN CANADA

August 13, 2008

This document given to global politicians,energy stakeholders, investment banks and houses etc.

http://floodiceorfire.wordpress.com/stop-russia-gazprom-rabaska-lng-faci...

There has been grievous outsized naked aggression and intimidation of the former Soviet republic and free, Democratically elected Republic of Georgia. President Dmitry Medvedev has unofficially called off all hostilities.

1) We demand the permanent full cessations of hostilities in The Georgian region.

2) We demand the unpartisan protection, safety and welfare of all civilians

3a) We demand that Canada immediately halts Rabaska Gazprom Liquified Natural Gas (LNG) facility in Quebec

3b) This facility effectively establishes a Russian Energy Beachhead in North America and in a time of crisis would endanger Central Canada and help destabilize North America.

A full LNG tanker from Russia, if it should "accidentally" explode, has been proven to have an impact of 55 Hiroshima Nuclear Bombs. The Rabaska LNG facility itself located just across from Quebec City, opposed by local citizens, would itself have the effect of heavier impact nuclear bombs.

http://timrileylaw.com/LNG_TANKERS.htm

Enbridge Inc. and their partners Gaz Metro and Gaz de France announced last month(June 2008) that the company has signed a Letter of Intent with Gazprom Marketing & Trading USA, Inc., which outlines the terms under which Gazprom will become an equity partner in the proposed Rabaska liquefied natural gas (LNG) regasification project.

Under the agreement Gazprom has agreed to supply 500 million cubic feet per day to the $840-million terminal east of Quebec City.

The Rabaska terminal is expected to introduce a new source of natural gas supply to the Quebec and eastern Ontario markets.

"The Rabaska LNG project will deliver the critical infrastructure needed to bring an important new source of natural gas supply to Ontar
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Ivona Vujica,

20/08/2008 02:50:50
STOP RUSSIA GAZPROM RABASKA LNG FACILITY IN CANADA


"The Rabaska LNG project will deliver the critical infrastructure needed to bring an important new source of natural gas supply to Ontario and Quebec," said Stephen J.J. Letwin, executive vice president, gas transportation and international for Enbridge.

"This new supply will benefit the two provinces' growing number of natural gas consumers, many of whom are customers of Enbridge Gas Distribution, as well as support Ontario's increasing emphasis on natural gas to fuel environmentally responsible power generation. Gazprom's involvement in the Rabaska LNG project gives strong momentum to advancing this project and meeting those needs."

Using the Rabaska terminal, Gazprom, which is a subsidiary of OAO Gazprom, expects to import Russian LNG supplied from the Shtokman liquefaction project.

The Shtokman gas and condensate field, discovered in 1988, is located in the central part of the Barents Sea, about 450 kilometers northeast of the city of Murmansk, Russia.

http://www.journalofcommerce.com/article/id28110

Mr. Medvedev, born in 1965, is a lawyer and former law professor who worked in politics and business in St. Petersburg after the collapse of the Soviet Union, bringing him into close contact with Mr. Putin and the other reformers in that city's government. He followed Mr. Putin to Moscow in 1999 and, despite his relative youth, rose influence and prominence. In 2000, Mr. Medvedev became chairman of Gazprom, the energy giant, which has increasingly become a wealthy corporation and instrument of Kremlin foreign and domestic policy.

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/m/dmitri_a_me...

Prime Minister Vladimir Putin flew from Beijing just north of South Ossetia to meet with Russian generals – like Julius Caesar at the Rubicon – (CAESER NON SUPRA LOGOS GRAMMATICOS) – yet the Russian Constitution states that President Dmitry Medvedev is Commander in Chief.

To be fair, the
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The Pict.,

20/08/2008 03:11:27
# 4 Ivona. What nonsense you spout. Anybody with 1/2 a brain knows that the American and Israeli Advisors planned this attack by part of Georgia to attack a defenseless area which has stated they want no part of Georgia. Since you say that you believe in democracy you will agree that Ossetia should be independent or are you like the americans and Israelis who pretended to want democracy until the Palestinian people FREELY ELECTED Hamas. That showed the true colors of both these countries..you know the 2 that have advisors in Georgia.
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Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 05:49:03
Now, I can't say I'm surprised that Nato bends for the US.
10

Itchy,

20/08/2008 06:42:01
#1"The American military-industrial complex requires perpetual war for perpetual profit "

Marxist drivel.

It is Socialism that needs war, not Capitalism.

#7 anyone with 1/2 a brain knows it is the Russians behind this and that you are spouting Marxist conspiracy theories.
11

Bigwull,

edinburgh 20/08/2008 08:16:35
tick tock old georgy boy doesn't have long left with his twitchy finger on the button, remember he believes in armageddon
12

K McDonald,

Glasgow 20/08/2008 08:33:02
7 The Pict.,

Have a read outwith the pradva sphere. It was a Neo-Soviet set-up. The KGB are past masters at creating pretexts to start wars. The US specifically told them not to take the bait. But Georgians, famous for being a bit hot headed ignored the advice steamed in and got battered. The rest is history. Georgia is occupied, new setttlements will be built to house imported Russian "passport holders".

The Russian plan is not for independence from Georgia for S Osseita, but to occupy and then absorb it into Mother Russia. An imperialist land grab is the only way to see this. If Soviet Russia was so concerned with self determination Chechnya and Dagestan would be out of the Russian federation by now.



13

Newman!,

20/08/2008 11:06:50
10 Itchy. Can you explain why it is marxist drivel please, you didnt elaborate.

Isn't it in fact socialism for the corporations who are sucking up trillions of US taxpayers dollars? Welfare for the rich.

14

Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 11:39:23
#12 "If Soviet Russia was so concerned with self determination Chechnya and Dagestan would be out of the Russian federation by now."

Yeah cos all Russia needs is more mad muslims on its doorstep.
15

Neil,

Glasgow 20/08/2008 11:45:58
Itchy says "anyone with 1/2 a brain knows it is the Russians behind this and that you are spouting Marxist conspiracy theories"

I bow to your experience of such people.

The rest of us know that Russia responded to a genocidal attack on Ossetia & Russian citizens, which the US had clearly planned & trained Georgian troops for. A direct copy of the Krajina genocide.

As with Yugoslavia we are on the side of those committing genocide. I believe that to be the wrong side. Obviously the likes of Itchy feel the opposite.
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Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 12:09:53
#15 and the likes of Itchy are not worth the effort, dude. There's no reasoning power there, just empty sloganeering. I think Itchy is a bot for the Scotsman that trawls these sites and tries to get responses by posting rubbish ;)
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Number 6,

Germany 20/08/2008 12:18:34
Nato ? I doubt the Russians care about that. As long as we keep trading with them, our military can do or say what ever they want. The whole of Europe practically, is dependant on Russian Gas. Germany for one, have far too many links to sever them over this.

What ever happens, we must do what ever it takes to stop the Americans deploying troops in Europe. This is another pathetic, clumsy American military plan that has gone horribally wrong,. At least they will be able to sell tons upon tons of arms now, to Russia's nervous neighbours. JOB DONE.
18

Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 12:25:07
#17 aheam... doesn't the US already deploy troops in Europe? I mean 2,000 of them were in Georgia.
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Number 6,

Germany 20/08/2008 13:02:45
#18 I'd gargle with warm water and honey if I was you.

Yes the yanks have a couple of thousand in Georgia,
indeed they infest about 60 odd countries currently. What we must avoid is a full scale, all singing all dancing deployment, ala Iraq, where they are desperatley trying to get a permanent foothold in the region.

Just as the Iraq's are kicking them out, so must Europe,ASP.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 20/08/2008 13:34:49
#19 There are 38,000 US troops stationed in Germany and equipment to supply another Corps level deployment. Living in Germany thought you would have known this. US troops are not stationed in Georgia but were there on an exercise.
21

Neal! Whit? Haud yer Whisht!!,

20/08/2008 13:49:59
#20

US troops were there on excercise? Just as all this shi-ite went down? What a laugh!

Unless of course you don't believe that US Military Intelligence is any good . . . . What else can account for them being there right at the 'Exact' moment they were needed?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 20/08/2008 13:56:10
#21

They had left before it started to kick off. the units were military police and logisticians hardly front line combat troops. the exercise had been planned for months.
23

Deadpan,

20/08/2008 14:07:44
Thank god you lot aren't in positions of power, you make Bush and Putin look like paragons of moderation.
24

57Nomad,

california 20/08/2008 14:34:51
#13 newman

newman said:

"Isn't it in fact socialism for the corporations who are sucking up trillions of US taxpayers dollars? Welfare for the rich."

Well, no. Corporations are formed to allow people reasonable protection for the risk involved in starting a business. They are not a pack of sociopaths bent on wrecking everything. Your attempt to attach a pejorative connotation to the word "corporation," is a transparent manipulation that will only fool people that you don't want on your side anyway.

No corporation can "suck up" any taxpayer money. All for profit corporations are recompensed by providing a good or service. The only people who could possibly do any "taxpayers dollars" sucking up are the bureaucrats in Washington who use taxpayer dollars to buy votes. I believe that the Communist Party of the USA, is, in fact, a corporation.

One more thing Newman, posting statements like, "Welfare for the rich" is nothing but a simple minded slogan. Slogans might capture the imaginations of a bunch of ignorant peasants but it won't fly in those areas of the world with running water and electricity.

The fact is that without the rich, there would be no resources to provide for the poor. This is how the tax burden is currently distributed:

The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

Welfare for the rich, indeed!


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mike - across the pond,

mashi.... 20/08/2008 14:56:48
my little yellow quibbler

I notice you didnt address the point.. just quibbled with some nuances about who populates Chechniya...

IF ossetia has the right to be a separate country just because some vocal whackadoos SAY they want it that way...

WHY not Chechniya?

WHY not Tibet?

quibble away....
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Postmark-55,

China, 20/08/2008 15:05:49
#24 57Nomad,
You need to learn to comment on the articles, and quit picking on people you disagree with. You always barge in without reading the article.
Today's article clearly shows the arrogance of the US once again, what a surprise eh?
NATO, just like the UN, are both a joke, expensive ones at that, bullied by the ever arrogant US.
You also need to realize that Georgia is the guilty party here, and probably due to CIA meddling.
It's high time you Americans stayed out of everybody else's business, before the whole world collectively gives you a bloody nose.
Now if you have something to say about the article, let's have it, or else shut up and go do something useful for a change.
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Mashimaro,

20/08/2008 15:07:36
#22 "the exercise had been planned for months."

Cos all it takes to plan a whole real invasion is the back of a paper napkin.
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General-Blood,

FALKIRK 20/08/2008 15:13:14
Come on lets get real hear but if you all remember it was the Georgians who attacked South Ossetia first and no one is denying that not even the Americans. I mean hello what the hell the Russians have every right to go in and sort them out i mean the people of South Ossetia want to be part of Russia I mean come on when the Argentinians invaded the Falklands we went in and sorted them out so the russians have every right to sort the Georgians out
29

mike - across the pond,

general blood.... connect the dots please 20/08/2008 15:23:37
get a MAP....

LOOK AT IT....

Ossetia is part of GEORGIA...

GEORGIA has every right to send troops anywhere in Ossetia it wants...

RUSSIA has NO RIGHT to be there whatsoever... NONE... ZERO...

it would be like if during the IRA issues of the 1980's, what would you think if NORWAY decided to land troops to "protect" Irish from the UK.... WHAT right would the Norwegians have to say about ANYTHING that went on there?

and you are forgetting (or sweeping under the rug) the FACT that Putin told Georgia that if Shakashvili applied to NATO that there would be military consequences.... Georgia applied... and there are now Russian "troops" looting Georgia.... can YOU connect the dots?
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Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 15:26:35
#25 Mike, I dont' look it as Osettia wanting to be separate. They want to UNITE with Russia.
Georgia is the separatist in this case. The USA and Israel instigated the separatism from Russia with its well financed Rose Revolution and then put the whack job in power. The whack job allowed his country to be used as a military staging post for US/Israeli power right on Russia's border.
All Russia is doing is ensuring that this staging post is disarmed.
I think I have explained in detail why China will never let Tibet go.
Thank god Russia hasn't let Chechnya go. Don't you think the world learned a good enough lesson from Afghanistan?
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Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 15:30:31
#29 map... uh... Falklands... UK... nope, not seeing it.
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mike - across the pond,

general blood.... oh and the falklands 20/08/2008 15:41:53
you have the falklands backwards... or "the Malvinas" as argentina likes to call them...

according to YOUR way of applying "georgia-russia" logic to it..... when the Argentinians took the falklands (for a short time anyway)... you should have just shrugged your shoulders and said... "cheers"

and if you are SO naive to think that those in ossetia are 100% behind the idea of joining russia, I have some ski chalets in the Orkney Islands to sell you....
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Mashimaro,

China 20/08/2008 16:00:42
Mike, this moral posturing is just that. It's what the Murdoch owned press want you to be thinking about.
Here's a thought for you...

America could be a paper tiger. Think about it. It's been bogged down in Iraq for five years now. It's military is stretched to the limit.

For years it's been selling itself as the big protector of the "free" world. That in itself is a whole different debate. But what if it can't fulfil that role anymore.

In the mean time Russia has been cruising. China has been cruising.

The Americans have been writing checks they can't cash.

Russia drew the lines - Putin laid it out for Bush. "Do not" "there will be consequences"

Dude, you can only poke a bear so many times before it takes ya head off... you know what I'm saying.
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mike - across the pond,

mashi 20/08/2008 16:05:45
"thank god..."

this coming from a godless country like china... thats good!!!!

please take a moment to explain to me in 1000 words or less... WHY Tibet cant be "self governing"... what "threat" does Tibet pose to a mighty power like China? and while you are at it why have you taken territory in Bhutan... Bhutan doesnt even HAVE a significant military (6000 volunteer troops)... and barely has external diplomatic ties... India handles most of their Foreign diplomacy

and then explain to me what "threat" a tiny country like Georgia poses to Russia...
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mike - across the pond,

mashi.... 20/08/2008 16:29:10
russia has been cruising?

need I mention "the kursk"...
the russian military is RUSTING INTO THE GROUND...
I read somewhere that russain troops were tending gardens to feed themselves, American troops dont do that, out of necessity anyway... its not exactly what I would call "cruising" YOU can call it what you like...

China... yes you have been cruising... thanks to american capitalism...

Iraq... seems to me Iraq has turned the corner... and thankfully sometime in the near future we hope they can take over their self governance and we can start drawing down our troops....

paper tiger...
that's an interesting assertion... and one that may indeed come to fruition... if we americans sleep through the next election and BO gets into office... lets review the last 3 DNC regimes....
LBJ.... Vietnam
Carter.... Iran hostages
WJC.... WTC (93 AND 2001) Cole, african embassies

I'm trying to figure out how/why you want BO in the white house....

or is the answer to that question obvious?
37

Newman!,

20/08/2008 19:33:39
#24 57nomad - you didnt address my original question which was, why does the nation with 5% of the worlds population require to spend more than the rest of the world combined on armaments?
I suggested a very reasonable answer and you avoided the question and started rambling about corporations (which if you have ever seen the film "The Corporation" have been shown to have all the traits of a pyschopath).
I will await your next attack.
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mike - across the pond,

newman 20/08/2008 20:12:02
Newman, you asked
"why does the nation with 5% of the worlds population require to spend more than the rest of the world combined on armaments?"

1. its the rent we pay on the space we occupy....
2. because the rest of the world dont have a pair on either end of their torso to carry their fair share of the burden...
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Itchy,

20/08/2008 21:08:28
"13 Newman!,20/08/2008 11:06:50
10 Itchy. Can you explain why it is marxist drivel please, you didnt elaborate.

Isn't it in fact socialism for the corporations who are sucking up trillions of US taxpayers dollars? Welfare for the rich."

It is always Marxists who claim that war is for the benefit of big business.

Socialism for corporations is indeed anti-capitalist.

"15 The rest of us know that Russia responded to a genocidal attack on Ossetia & Russian citizens, which the US had clearly planned & trained Georgian troops for. A direct copy of the Krajina genocide."

The rest of us meaning 'the rest of us communists'

"#16 and the likes of Itchy are not worth the effort, dude. There's no reasoning power there, just empty sloganeering. "

Brazen effrontery from a supporter of communism, together with Fascism, the most anti-reason political system going.
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Itchy,

20/08/2008 21:14:06
I'd also like to point out that the great Russian colossus has a defence budget smaller than that of Britain.

Who is writing cheques they can't cash?
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Newman!,

20/08/2008 22:01:56
#38 - 41 hahahahaha, clowns
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Itchy,

20/08/2008 23:03:58
#42 hahaha!

Communist sympathizer
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mike - across the pond,

ah little newman.... 21/08/2008 01:49:12
glad you find humor in what I write...

wait let me rethink that....

its SAD that you dont understand and choose to riducule what I wrote...
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Gere,

Scotland 21/08/2008 16:56:50
Why is it considered OK for Kosovo to be torn from Serbia and granted independence after perpetrating a long, sustained campaign of terror on the Serbian people?

America did not display too much respect for the territorial integrity of Serbia when it went about creating a new country out of one of Serbia's provinces, Kosovo! If I remember correctly, they willfully bombed a Serbian television station that was manned by Serb civilians! The Americans also murdered journalists in Iraq!

Why is it wrong for Ossetia to ask for the same right as Kosovo, after all they were attacked by Georgia!!!
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57Nomad,

california 22/08/2008 01:22:36
#24 newman

newman said:

"57nomad - you didnt address my original question which was, why does the nation with 5% of the worlds population require to spend more than the rest of the world combined on armaments?"

If you had bothered to read my post you would have seen this: #13 Newman."57nomad - you didnt address my original question."

I didn't address your original question?!?!?! This is your original and only question in post #13: "Isn't it in fact socialism for the corporations who are sucking up trillions of US taxpayers dollars? Welfare for the rich."

Will you kindly point out the part about military budgets in post #13? As to your "original question," how the hell am I supposed to know what your original question was? "Where's my mommy?" That's a fairly common orininal question.


So I invite you to read your own post #13 and point out the part that addresses military spending.

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Mashimaro,

China 22/08/2008 09:38:46
#34 china got more gods than you have dude. We got gods for everything - fishing, luck, power, moon, you name it we got a god for it. So don't call us godless.

I don't personally care WHO gets into the whitehouse. It's all a joke. US citizens have no say. In the end big business wins. The arms dealers will still be peddling their arms and the oil barons will still be making big profits and the US will still be invading small countries or effecting "regime" changes where they like.

Before I tell you about Tibet, can you tell me where Tibet is, exactly. I think if you try you will begin to see reason 12 of why Tibet is part of China.

 

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