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Published Date: 26 August 2008
BRITAIN branded Russian recognition of Georgia's breakaway regions "unjustifiable and unacceptable" today as the diplomatic row intensified.
Foreign Secretary David Miliband accused Russian president Dmitri Medvedev of "inflaming" the crisis by insisting that South Ossetia and Abkhazia should be independent.

In a statement, Mr Miliband said: "Today's announcement further inflames an already tense situation in the region.

"We fully support Georgia's independence and territorial integrity, which cannot be changed by decree from Moscow."

Mr Miliband called on Russia to "abide by international law as the basis for resolving this crisis".

Moscow must implement "urgently and in full" its commitment to withdraw troops to positions they held before the military confrontation with Georgia earlier this month, he insisted.

"Today's announcement by President Medvedev that Russia will recognise South Ossetia and Abkhazia is unjustifiable and unacceptable," Mr Miliband said.

"It will also not work. It is contrary to the principles of the peace agreement, which Russia recently agreed, and to recent Russian statements.

"It takes no account of the views of the hundreds of thousands of Georgians and others who have been forced to abandon their homes in the two territories."

Mr Miliband said he would be visiting Ukraine tomorrow to assemble the "widest possible coalition against Russian aggression".

Mr Medvedev later ramped up the rhetoric further by claiming that Russia was "not afraid" of another Cold War – although he added that it did not want one.

"We are not afraid of anything, including the prospect of a new Cold War," he told a news agency. "But we don't want it and in this situation everything depends on the position of our partners."

Mr Medvedev said the West would have to "understand the reason behind" the decision to recognise the regions if it wanted to preserve good relations with Russia.

Both houses of the Russian parliament had called yesterday for the president to give South Ossetia and Abkhazia full backing.

But the votes were not binding on Mr Medvedev, and it had been hoped that they were merely designed to boost his bargaining power in negotiations with the West.

The US State Department had insisted that recognising the two provinces would be "a violation of Georgian territorial integrity" and "inconsistent with international law".

EU leaders are due to meet in Brussels next week to discuss their response to the growing crisis, with Prime Minister Gordon Brown expected to attend.

Downing Street said today that the gathering underlined the "strong interest" of the EU in tackling the issues.

Mr Medvedev warned yesterday that he was considering halting co-operation with Nato altogether, amid the fallout from the one-sided military confrontation between Russia and Georgia earlier this month.

This morning Russia cancelled a visit by Nato's secretary-general, and it has complained that the alliance is bolstering its military presence in the Black Sea.

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  • Last Updated: 26 August 2008 3:26 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Georgia , Russia
 
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 14:30:59
>"EU leaders are due to meet in Brussels next week to discuss their response to the growing crisis, with Prime Minister Gordon Brown expected to attend".<

There would be no crisis if the west learns to keep it's nose out of this region, or any other that isn't theirs.

Russia has every right to recognize South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent, bottom line.
2

Alan B,

26/08/2008 14:40:29
#1 Exactly why should the eu stay out of european matters. Exactly why should european countries that want to have a positive relationship with the eu and possible become members not be able to.

Georgia is an internationally recognised country. Russia should not just invade a country because it feels like it.

Russia is also hypocritical in its support of self determination. It was against that for Yugoslavia. Against Kosnova. Against that for Chesnya. So why is it ok this time?

I support the concept of self determination for areas that want to be a country on their own rights. It would make sense if the UN could devise some basic rules and methods to achieve this.

Any such move to self determination should be accompanied by a referendum.

Russia really needs to get its act together and start playing a positive role in europe.
3

Alan B,

26/08/2008 14:41:47
#1

As you support the concept of self determination I take it you support that for the areas that want to be independent of China.
4

mike - across the pond,

postmark 26/08/2008 14:57:57
what about taiwan?

dont THEY fall into this category too?

or is there something I am missing here...

dont be condescending... point out what basis there is for why China feels that they should control Taiwan...
5

Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 15:08:52
#3 Alan B,
Tibet and Xinjiang, amongst others, are part of China, have been for a long time, and only a handful of people in those regions are looking for independence, definitely not what most citizens there want. China has vastly improved those regions, whether by a good education system having been put into place, good medical care, and having pulled those regions out of poverty. They do not want to separate, they know what they had before, and don't want to go back there.

Do you honestly want to see the Islamic militants rule that part of China, and let me stress to you, THAT PART OF CHINA. So far we have been mostly successful in keeping a lid on things, and that's only because we are here to protect our citizens, and people in those regions are our citizens.

If they were to separate however, feel free to recognize their independence, and that is all that Russia is presently 'guilty' of, recognition of independence.
6

Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa, Canada 26/08/2008 15:09:48
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Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa Canada 26/08/2008 15:11:23
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8

Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 15:22:00
#4 mike - across the pond,
Mike, Taiwan is part of China, surely you are aware of the One China policy, something your government recognizes as well. The majority of Taiwan citizens do not want to separate, there again, troublemakers are stirring the pot. And if they do separate, and you were to recognize that, what's the harm in that? Bottom line is that other countries need to respect what is happening in Georgia, whether or not you agree with it, it is nobody's business but theirs.
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 15:31:27
#6 Ivona Vujica,
As I pointed out to you on a previous article, you have no right to "demand" anything from the Canadian Government, that makes you as rude as you claim the Russians to be. If you want to voice your concern and opinions, fine, but make no "demands" of a third party, it's not in their interest or isn't their obligation to get involved. As I have pointed out before, Canada as a rule plays the peace keeper, but not always. I respect Canada for not sticking it's nose in other countries' affairs, the Americans and Brits need to follow the Canadian's example on that.
If you still have concerns about that region, please go THERE and voice your opinion, you won't be heard or recognized screaming from your livingroom.
10

Alan B,

26/08/2008 15:40:26
#Postmark-55

Firstly you have ignored my reply as to your suggestion that the EU should not take an interest in this area given that it is in European and Georgia could easily be a candidate for membership of the EU.

You have also not replied to why you think Russias actions support self determination in this case make sense while it has rejected self determination for many other places some like Yugoslavia which are not even part of the old soviet union.

Your reply regarding Chinas attitude to areas that may want to break away, seems hypocritical. You can hardly argue for the right of people to have self determination but then argue against it because it effects China.

If the areas you talk about want to stay with China fair enough. But if they want self determination to run their own country that is also ok. The determining matter should be the will of the people, in a democratic way, free from intimidation.

Given that some of these areas have elected parties that support independence from China it does make your comments that it is not wanted by the people that live their rather hollow.

China could also do with adopting democracy and giving its people the personal freedoms that go with that.

Finally your point that China has done alot for these areas misses the point. It does not matter how well you think China has run these areas, it is what the people that live there want, that is important.
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 15:41:36
#2 Alan B,
You are asking and expecting Russia to get it's act together, but no-one recognizes Russia for what and who it is, and you're always telling them what to do.

You must be aware of Russia's own troubles ever since the Soviet Union collapsed, so let them do things in their time and learn to stay out of their affairs.

What starts wars is when we leave the confines of our own borders, so let's learn to stay at home, and things will take care of themselves, at some time or another.
12

Alan B,

26/08/2008 15:43:06
#Postmark-55

"Bottom line is that other countries need to respect what is happening in Georgia, whether or not you agree with it, it is nobody's business but theirs."

That makes little sense.

A foreign country invaded a sovereign nation. And the world community, its neighbours should do nothing.

If you were arguing that Georgia should deal with its internal problems itself i could understand that argument. But the situation is Georgia cannot deal internally with its internal issues due to invasion from a foreign power.
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Alan B,

26/08/2008 15:44:29
#Postmark-55

This is not an internal Russian issue. This where a sovereign nation, Georgia has been invaded by a foreign power.
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 15:50:21
#10 Alan B,
And I also said that if these areas within China were to separate than I do not have a problem with your recognition of that.

As far as joining the EU goes, many countries do not want to join, but have been sold out by their respective governments. Each and every country needs to hold a referendrum on that, and then follow the outcome of that referendrum, that is after all what Democracy is all about, isn't it?

Even thoughChina is not a so called Democracy, we do listen to our citizens, and the majority of our citizens in Tibet, Xinjiang and Taiwan do not want to separate, and we listen to them. Funny isn't it? we're a whole lot more Democratic than you are.
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 15:53:09
#13 Alan B,
You're partly right on the Russian invasion bit, but why is it that they invaded Alan?
I'll wait for your answer and respond to that.
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Postmark-55,

China 26/08/2008 16:07:02
>"South Ossetia looks to mother Russia in Georgia-free future<"

Alan B,
Please take a look at this article on page one of toda's International section, it will explain why Russia is there.

End of argument.
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Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:19:56
#Postmark-55

Exactly which countries did not want to join the EU that did? How do you justify that remark? There has been some resentment within the EU of countries joining becuase of immigration and the reforms necessary. But the new member countries all pro EU. Some countries may question now that they have joined as they see that their problems still exist.

I do support referendums, although democracy can also be through the parties countries vote for. ie parliamentary democracy. Referendums are a good way when public opinion is split or all the poltical parties think the same thing and do not give the public the option. It can also be dependent on the voting system of a country. But i would agree in general consitutional issues are best done by referendum.


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Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:26:48
#Postmark-55

"we're a whole lot more Democratic than you are."

How do you justify that remark.

Does China have free elections to vote for its leaders and have mutliple political parties debating issues for that election?

Does China have a free press and media?

We both know the answer to that is no. So in no way is China a democracy. That is the reason that some of the internet companies like google and yahoo has to restrict access to be available in China.

You say these areas do not want independence. Why then do some of them elect independence supporting parties? Why does China not have a referendum in these areas?

The fact is China could and should be contributing so much more and would get so much more respect for it.

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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 16:28:13
#17 Alan B,
Well I won't BS you Alan, I don't know which country is pro or anti EU, but I ve seen many bitch about it, whether before or after the fact.

I am fairly sure though that not each one held a referendrum on that, and that is what Democracy is supposed to represent, the will of the people.

I have also seen many referendrums in the past seen ignored, back in my home country of Canada anyways, and that's not very Democratic.

If given the chance to vote, that vote needs to be respected, as well as the word given that got them that vote, but you and I know that election promises get broken all the time, so why even bother voting?
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Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:30:38
#Postmark-55

I understand why Russia want to be there. But simply you cannot have a country invading its neighbour. You cannot simply have Russia declaring parts of another country independent. These issue should be worked through the international community via the UN (imperfect as it is).

The fact also remains that this issue involves the EU as this is a European problem. You have also not dealt with the issue that Russia has been against self determination in most other cases where the arguments for independence in areas like Yugoslavia and Kosova were much strong
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 16:36:26
Well Alan, I have never made the claim that China is perfect, but it has got the west beat in most ways, and the will of the people is being listened to these past few years since Hu Jintao took over power, and there has been a steady rate of growth and fairness to the people put into place.
We still have a long ways to go, but we're slowing climbing on top of the situation.
Communism is more of a name than a policy these days, and things are a whole lot more Democratic. Protests happen and are allowed, and if said protesters do so peacefully, the governments listens and takes notes, and does something positive if reasonable and feasible demands are made. Violent protests like the ones in Tibet on the other hand need to be and will be quelled, and that is responsible governing.
22

Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:38:01
#Postmark-55

I do not believe any of the new member countries in the EU support leaving. Off course not everyone within a country will support memembership. If anything problems within the EU are more the old members and them adjusting to change. There is also problems with the EU leadership pushing for more intergration despite reservations from the public. There is a real democratic issue round that.

In the UK for instance there is substantial anti eu intergration feeling. Part of the uk problem is that we need to be there for economic reasons but are resistent to the political implications.

Yes political parties fail us. That is why we have elections to vote them out. So we the public can kick out our failing leaders. And yes democracy in most countries could be improved as none are perfect.
23

Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:39:50
#Postmark-55

There is nothing ideologically wrong with communism aslong as it is democractic. Problem is so much communism is associated with dictatorship and violent revolution.

Whether it works as an economic ideology is a different matter.
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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 16:42:39
#20 Alan B,
Well there again Alan, I won't BS you about the areas like Yugoslavia and Kosova, I'm not up to date on what happened there, so it wouldn't be good to make ignorant comments about things I do not know about, but I imagine that not everything there is perfect and fair.
There's no such place I'm aware of that is perfect and fair, but in all regards, China is as close as it gets, and I've been to my share of countries, and they all claimed to be Democratic.
25

Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:43:46
#Postmark-55

"but it has got the west beat in most ways"

I don't really see how you can justify that remark. But at the end of the day this is not a competition. It is about how all countries can get along peacefully and work together for mutual benefit. Breaking down the barriers between us all.
26

Alan B,

26/08/2008 16:45:48
#Postmark-55

Democracies are not perfect but is the only system that allows us to choose our leaders and kick them out. All systems are corrupted to some degree.

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Postmark-55,

China, 26/08/2008 16:46:44
Well Alan, it's approaching midnight here, so I'll be off to bed. Good to chat with you though, we may not agree on some things, but you're level headed and bring up fair points, and I also agree on some of those points. Have a good evening Alan and I'll see you on this forum again I suppose, and hopefully we can chat some more.
28

WHISTLEBLOWER,

Pissaff 26/08/2008 16:47:07
"let me stress to you, THAT PART OF CHINA."

Hong Kong was, "let me stress it to you, that part of England."

Get a better job, preferably outside your brutal government.
29

WHISTLEBLOWER,

26/08/2008 16:48:13
I wonder if Medvedev would be so quick to recognise the independence of, say, North Ossetia, Chechnya, Bashkoristan, Karelia, Tartarstan etc
30

Active Sassenach,

Luton, England 26/08/2008 17:04:29
Fee, Fi, Fo, Fum, ¿¿WHO?? Miliband smells the blood of a Glenrothesian man. ¿¿Waste of Hackneyed Oratory??, ¿¿WHO?? Miliband, returns to visibility as he fancies Gordie's job when the SNP walk to Westminster after Glenrothes.

Brazen up Mili!! What you gonna do if Putin and Medvedev flatten the Ukraine because you are going there to "assemble the widest possible coalition against them"? Fee, fi, fo fum, bet them's quakin' in their boots!! Quakin' man, Quakin'!!

Clue, one turn of the gas tap, just one, on 1 November and half of Europe will freeze to death. Don't make threats you can't carry out Mili. It's the first rule of impersonating a foreign secretary, much less a prime minister.
31

Vasya,

26/08/2008 18:11:21
#29 WHISTLEBLOWER, do you know where tatrstan is??? Take a look at a map and you will see why))) Karelia wants independence or even Chechnya now???Forget about Karelia))) For two thousends years with two about 50 and 24 years gaps this is russian territory)))
People sometimes indeed make mistakes proclaiming independence but those mistake bacome obvious in a couple years. South Osetia and Abkhazia are 17 years independent de facto. So they have passed the test as peaceful responsible states in conrast to radical muslims ruled Chechnya for example that started war in Dagestan just one year after independence de facto wanting to create PanCaucausian Khalifat. Feel the difference?
32

Neil,

Glasgow 26/08/2008 18:16:46
Ceertainly it is totally hypocritical of Miliband to criticise Russia when he & other NATO leaders "recognised" Croatia, Bosnia & Kosovo. Russia had not signed a treaty (Helsinki treaty) whereby they guaranted the terriotrial integrity of Yugoslavia. They had not signed up to a document guaranteeing to repect Serbian territorial integrity (the occupation agreement for Kosovo). A less legal but more moral matter is that Russia's actions in Georgia were to stop genocide whereas NATO's in Kosovo were to assist in it.

It takes some chutzpa for lying, genocidal, cannibalistic Nazi war criminals like the leaders of all the NATO countries to criticise Potin.not one of these corrupt savages is fit to clean his shoes.
33

Conan,

Moffat 26/08/2008 18:25:34
Then, #1, surely by your reasoning you should also have nothing to say about this matter since you purport to hail from that communist mafia terror state of China and presumably therefore have nothing to do with anything outside of China - other than being a provocateur and apologist for that criminal state?
34

Ivona Vujica,

Ottawa, Canada 26/08/2008 19:02:52
UPDATE 2-Russian-Canadian energy deals possibly at risk

OTTAWA, Aug 19 (Reuters) - Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper allowed on Tuesday for the possibility of commercial natural gas deals with Russia being put at risk by Russia's military actions in neighboring Georgia...

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUSN1928063420080819
35

Gere,

Scotland 26/08/2008 19:05:12
Just in case anyone has problems remembering that Georgia attacked Ossetia I would like to draw your attention to how this started. I am sure that the arms sales by Israel together with the presence of many Israeli "military advisors" made Georgia over confident enough to try their luck by launching an attack.

The attack was repulsed now the Georgians are crying!!! The West did not respect Serbia's territorial integrity when it allowed Kosovo break away from Serbia after it carried out a lengthy terrorist campgain against Serbian policemen and civilians.

America and its allies now believes that they can dictate to Russia as to what provocations Russia must accept. Russia is effectively surrounded by potential enemy states bound together militarily by NATO. America believes that Russia should believe that the missiles are a purley defensive measure against Iran. Yet, on a daily basis America informs the world how sub-standard, crude, inefficient and unreliable the Iranian missiles are.

Russia has emerged from the curse of the Jewish theology of communism and has an developed an awakening nationalist spirit that will grow stronger with time. Russia has had a long history of fighting against what seems to be insurmountable odds, America and the West should take cognizance of this before attempting to intimidate Russia with gunboat dipomacy. A resurgent Russia might give them an unpleasant surprise!
36

The Scotchman,

26/08/2008 19:21:12
Perhaps our Russian friends - who share the patron St Andrews, saltire ensign flag and a like for Irn-Bru - can similarly recognise Scotland as an independent country?

Let Medvedev and Salmond open dialogue for our peoples. We would be only too happy to have a Russian defense site based here in Scotland as a token of goodwill.

South Ossetia and Abkhazia are officially recognised by Scotland as de facto independent countries of Georgia, who incidentally have the patron St George, and similar red English cross flag.
37

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 26/08/2008 19:37:05
What a little snivelling insignificant character this former Marxist apology is, acting the tough man in his dhosen role as, Foreign Minister!
He should be taken to night school and given a history lesson in the art off acknowledging the real facts of history.
Doesn't he realise the days of intimidation and threats by his New Labour Party stooges and its masters in the USA, are finally over ?
38

Itchy,

26/08/2008 20:27:10
"Mr Miliband said he would be visiting Ukraine tomorrow to assemble the "widest possible coalition against Russian aggression".
"

That means all the former communist countries surrounding Russia are screwed, if his track record is anything to go by.
39

Itchy,

26/08/2008 20:29:59
#37 resurgent Russia? With a defence budget that is less than Britain? I don't think so.

Putin had merely changed from Russian or Soviet socialism to German or National Socialism. He has lowered taxes but kept the rest of the economy under his control and is a profound admirer of the old Soviet Union who has not forgotten his principles.

"Russia has emerged from the curse of the Jewish theology of communism "

Communists were good at killing Jews but never mind that.
40

Itchy,

26/08/2008 20:32:39
"31 The Spook in Leith,26/08/2008 17:32:28
Still say Russia should have gone in and taken out the Georgian Gov and hanged them for genocide in South Ossetia. Russia has played this war in a softly softly manner and it is about time Moscow stamped its foot down.

For the sake of world piece we need a strong and more assertive Russia to counterbalance rouge states setting up missile bases in Europe.."

Russia has been genocidal in the recent past and is still not a free country. You are just still raging that they lost the cold war.
41

Itchy,

26/08/2008 20:38:19
"23 Alan B,26/08/2008 16:39:50


There is nothing ideologically wrong with communism aslong as it is democractic. Problem is so much communism is associated with dictatorship and violent revolution."

Communism is dictatorial in theory and practice, as are all forms of socialism, including national socialism and Fascism.

"Whether it works as an economic ideology is a different matter."

It has been refuted in theory and failed completely in practice.
42

Newman!,

26/08/2008 22:42:01
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=73068

Pat Buchanan said it.
43

Newman!,

26/08/2008 22:42:01
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=73068

Pat Buchanan said it.
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Mashimaro,

China 26/08/2008 23:06:29
Itchy - apologist for the brutal capitalist system - Communism has not failed. It was drowned as a pup by vicious capitalists who were so terrified that it might be successful they could not let it live.
I will say this once again to you... Communist China has lifted more people out of poverty faster than any other country in the world - not even you can call that a failure.
For the definition of "genocidal" I strongly suggest you take a look at the US and UK. Thank you.
45

Mashimaro,

China Mike Across the Pond 26/08/2008 23:08:16
I don't know which pond you are "across" but do they have any history or geography books there? Do you have access to Google? Try looking up a few of these places before you spout your rubbish. The reasons for them being where they are is patently clear.
I have attempted to explain them to you in the past but I see you take no notice of that so I shall not waste my time now. Just call you on the obvious lack of comprehension from your side.
46

The Daleks,

Longmen 27/08/2008 07:29:42
#14 Skiddy

Ha ha ha.

Yes, China listens to its people all right, then throws them in jail, if it doesn't like what it hears!!
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Postmark-55,

China, 27/08/2008 09:21:41
#48 The Daleks,
Try commenting on the article first, and then feel free to question me about my comments.

My point of view on this particular article is clear to see to all visiting this site, could we please have yours?
48

Gere,

Scotland 27/08/2008 16:17:40
Post#41 Itchy

Ever heard of Leon Bronstein???
He adopted the name Leon Trotsky! There was an over representation of Jews in the KGB as well as its predcessor the NKVD and other important instruments of oppression used against the people of the former USSR whilst they suffered cruelly under the jackboot of the Marxist doctrine as created by a Jewish gentleman called Karl Marx. Stalin actually tried to entice Jews to settle in an area in Russia, also in the early years Jews financed the communist party in Russia!

Post #50 Caratactus

I am here Oh King and I bring you news!

You can be assured that their hidden hand could well have been involved! After all business is business and the gnerating of state revenue could find its way into zionist causes that the state subsidises.
49

James Donald,

Newbridge 27/08/2008 18:22:36
#51 Gere,Scotland - Borodin, Zemlyachka, Trotsky, Levine, Berman, Zinoviev, Radek were all Jewish Bolsheviks but so what? There were plenty of Russian Bolsheviks also.
I knew a sports journalist in Berlin who served in Russia in a Waffen-SS Division (later with Otto Skorzeny) and he told me that early in the Russian campaign, practically all of the Commissars and NKVD men they caught were Jews but later in the war (they captured far less later in the war when the Commissars realised they would be executed after capture and interogation) they were almost exclusively Russian or Ukrainian.
What influence do the Jews have in Russia now since so many of them left for Israel and Germany post Soviet Union?
50

Dougie - Edinburgh,

27/08/2008 18:59:38
52 James Donald,Newbridge
After the fall of the Soviet Union, six of the seven richest oligarchs, the people who controlled Yeltsin and ran the country were Jewish. Just as Stalin was ultimately able to surmount Jewish domination of the early Soviet Union, Putin has been able to rein in the oligarchs. Perhaps this accounts for some of the hostility between Russia and Israel.

BTW, Lenin was also more ethnically Jewish than Russian

 

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