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Published Date: 29 April 2009
THE body responsible for developing Gaelic yesterday said that bank customers might cancel accounts if they were not allowed to use the language to write cheques.
Michael Drummond, from Stornoway, was told by the Royal Bank of Scotland he should use English when filling in cheques, despite the bank issuing him with a bilingual cheque book with his name and other details printed in Gaelic.

Arthur Cormack, c
hairman of Bòrd na Gàidhlig, the national Gaelic development agency, has now raised the issue with RBS Group chief executive Stephen Hester.

Mr Cormack said: "I feel sure that withdrawing this kind of support for Gaelic will lead to the withdrawal, through time, of Gaelic signage on the branches where that exists, and eventually Gaelic may be eradicated from RBS services altogether."

He added: "You also run the risk, against this backdrop and in the current economic climate, of Gaelic-speaking customers removing their accounts from your branches."

A RBS spokesman said the bank was pleased to offer customers the choice of having their cheque books and statements printed in Gaelic. "But it is necessary, when customers issue cheques, that they are written in English, as in the UK that is the language understood by all those through whose hands the cheque may pass from the time it is issued until it is paid.

"We, as paying bank, must be able to verify that the amount written in words is the same as the amount shown in figures.

"If Gaelic is used, that would require having Gaelic readers at every place where Gaelic cheques may be presented. For practical reasons that is not possible, so we must insist cheques are written in English."

But Mr Cormack suggested that the bank should rethink its decision.





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  • Last Updated: 28 April 2009 11:07 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

W Smith,

Middle East 29/04/2009 02:56:29
Trust this newsaper to give these Ignor-Hamishes the oxygen of publicity.

English is the business language across the globe.

English teachers (as in English as a foreign language, not the kind that taught you Shakespeare at school) from the UK are in demand all over the world, gaelic teachers are not.

GET OVER IT.

BTW
Its the politically correct numpties in Holyrood who think Gaelic has a future - just how many MSPs can speak Gaelic?

How many of Scotland's famous engineers and scientists were highlanders who spoke gaelic?
2

weeshooie1,

Wollongong 29/04/2009 04:25:25
'Fraid I agree with #1 on this.
3

Sierra Foothills Scot,

Diamond Springs 29/04/2009 05:11:43
#1 W Smith -

Everyone knows "English is the business language across the globe." Gaelic does not pretend to be.

Of course "English teachers...from the UK are in demand all over the world, gaelic teachers are not." Why would they be if they are not teaching "the business language across the globe"?

"GET OVER IT" Who are you to dictate to people what language they must use? Have you perhaps been in the Middle East too long?

"Its the politically correct numpties in Holyrood who think Gaelic has a future - just how many MSPs can speak Gaelic?" Most don't, some do. So what?

"How many of Scotland's famous engineers and scientists were highlanders who spoke gaelic?" Most weren't, some were. So what? Do you think engineers and scientists are the only valuable people in the world?

Slàinte mhath!





Slàinte mhor
4

Hugo of Garven,

29/04/2009 06:46:02
Do British banks refuse cheques writen in a foreign language e.g French, German, Polish?

5

Colin Wilson,

Aberdeen 29/04/2009 06:53:42
""But it is necessary, when customers issue cheques, that they are written in English, as in the UK that is the language understood by all those through whose hands the cheque may pass from the time it is issued until it is paid. "

In the days when the global ATM network was less developed, there used to be such things as eurocheques. In the mid-90s I cashed a good few of these in Finland, written out in Finnish. These must have come back to the UK for processing, and presumably must have been seen by someone at the bank who could not read them. Even so, I was never asked to stop writing them.

The Bank involved was the Bank of Scotland.
6

Roy,

29/04/2009 07:14:02
I had this nonsense from Banca na-h Alba some years ago - and the irony was that they had just accepted pay-in of a bank draft in Dutch from me with nae quibble. Now Banca Rioghal na h-Alba are at it. I have a customer from Wrexham who always writes his cheques in Welsh - my bank here in Scotland has always accepted them.

If the banks are so linguistically challenged, it is a simple matter to give their staff a glossary card with figures and months.

By the way, I notice that the Royal Bank of Scotland has a branch in Wrexham. And its policy there is...?
7

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 29/04/2009 07:41:26
I don't think the RBS is in any position to be fussy with regards shipping cash about via cheques.

Since the Gaelic part of the cheque to be written can be verfied by looking at the number which will remain in normal and accepted numeric order, the RBS WILL have to go out it's way to learn and accept the cheques since they already set a precedent by issuing the cheque book with Gaelic in it already.

All very silly, just like that middle eastern smiddy plank at 1.
8

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 29/04/2009 07:44:43
Strangely, most, if not all ATMs will give you a choice of languages depending on where your card was issued from.

Since technology is an ever evolving entity, it makes English no longer the language of business and commerce and to insist that it is smacks of imperialism.

Pretty soon, Spanish will be the language of commerce since it's taking over English in the widley spoken stakes and the Spanish own a fair amount of our (UK's) banks.
9

donald anderson it's me,

glasgow 29/04/2009 08:06:32
The only ignorant Hamish I can think of is one employed by the Northritishperson, by the name of McDonnell
10

Calum Crubag,

29/04/2009 08:08:28
These banks use Gaelic anyway on their cheques and signage. Why can't someone use their own language?

One language better than 2 or 3... duh!

Suas leis a' Ghaidhlig.
11

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/04/2009 08:47:37
come on hootsman i heard this last week on radio scotland news
12

Lianachan,

Highlands 29/04/2009 09:07:59
If the bank don't want people to use Gaelic when writing cheques, why the hell did they issue Gaelic cheque books in the first place!? Gaelic must not be discriminated against, as seems to be the case judging from what people are saying above about cheques in Dutch, etc...

Oh, and #11 - indeed. BBC Scotland had this story last week. Quite often you find the Scotsman recycles stories days after the BBC have ran them. Want to know what's going to be in the Scotsman on a Friday? Check the BBC Scotland news on the Wednesday! Unless it's a story relating to the Highlands, of course, in which case... meh.
13

Masterpiece,

29/04/2009 09:10:36
Seems rather odd, but it is the Gaelic part of the education system and the Gaelic economy that is still expanding as there is a severe lack of Gaelic medium teachers as all levels plus development staff required in a large number of fields.

Of course, English is strong, afterall you have Billions of £'s poured into its development everyday worldwide, often in an effort to kill off other languages; so what's new there then.
14

Curious Yellow,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 09:18:51
Doesn't the fact the chequebooks themselves are bi-lingual not cause any wee bells to ring?
15

Stan Butler,

29/04/2009 09:24:33


A silly and confrontational stance being taken by the Gaels here which will not help their cause.

Writing cheques in English will not help stop the decline in Gaelic. Their time and effort could be better directed.
16

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 09:51:06
According to the UK APACS centre, 5 MILLION cheques per day are still handled for payment.

"Despite the introduction of debit cards, and the slow decline in cheque usage, it is still a massive number:
1,825 million cheques expected this year."

According to APACS "some 4 percent, or 73 MILLION cheques, are completed in foreign languages from over 73 countries in Europe, the Middle and Far East."

A search of APACS also learned that a number of banks issue Welsh Language cheque books to customers, IF requested.

In Switzerland, banks issue cheque books in ANY language you want.
17

Thierry MacKee,

29/04/2009 10:18:17
I agree for once with Stan, "writing cheques in English will not help the decline in Gaelic", but writing them in Gaelic might! This is not silly or confrontational, it just shows how much Gaels have to struggle to get even the most basic services in their language recognized and respected. Services that everyone else takes for granted I might add.
18

Mr. Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 11:24:24
The newly created Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority(FINMA) provides a complete list of every country/language in which Swiss bank accounts can be issued, from Argentina to the Vatican City.

However, for obvious reasons, citizens of certain countries like Afghanistan, Colombia, Iraq, Somalia and Zimbabwe, are excluded.
19

Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 29/04/2009 11:43:54
I've seen these cheques. The translations are on them. They're bilingual, so the English is there. They're just big and clumsy - like all the bilingual road signs too.
20

Tartan Viking,

29/04/2009 12:43:59
#17. sm753,

Surely cheques sent in the post and written in Elvish will be returned to sender?
21

Calum Crubag,

29/04/2009 12:58:38
Stan - so using Gaelic doesn't help to support it's... er use??!!

You're not very bright, are you. One language good - 2 languages dumb! Forward with ignorance!

Gaelic - use it or lose it.
22

Calum Crubag,

29/04/2009 13:00:35
#12 - correct this is an old story. Maybe if monolingual supremicists had a another window on the world, it might enrich their lives/
23

Allan(handofgod137),

29/04/2009 13:36:23
So does this mean you Gaels will stop accepting EEC subsidies and watching television, as thetr are no gaelic words for them?
24

Masterpiece,

29/04/2009 13:47:00
24

I am ever so pleased that the Scots are not going to have anything that is not subsidised like the new Forth Road Bridge or education or a multiplicity of other services.

It is so easy to run through 1000's of such services where this occur. This I will do later today.
As regards words what is the English for computer, telephone, road, etc, again lots of other words can be had.

Good please keep up this fun.
25

Lianachan,

Highlands 29/04/2009 14:02:48
#24 Wonderfully ironic post. ALL languages have loan-words. English, in fact, is notorious for its habit of just using foreign words.
26

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29/04/2009 14:05:09
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Lianachan,

Highlands 29/04/2009 14:28:50
#15 Actually, Gaelic is on the increase these days - despite well over a century of vigorous persecution. Perhaps, then, in hindsight, the "time and effort" of those who strove to erradicate it could have been "better directed".
28

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 29/04/2009 14:56:08
"Re Gaelic speaking MPs. There's always Angus 'Shagger' McNeil ;-)"

"Although the three did not have sex two years ago..."

No very good at reading, are you? Only burd he sh*gged was his wife.
29

Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 29/04/2009 15:34:23
I like the idea of Gaelic cheques as it reminds us all that we are part of a unique culture which is admired and even envied worldwide.
Fortunately, most of the world doesn't know that Scotland has its own embarrassing problem - Scots who are ashamed of being Scots, a phenomenon known as "The Scottish Cringe".
What I don't admire are those phony accents so beloved of Morningside and Kelvinside and those who hope to disguise their rural roots by speaking that hideous and ludicrous dialect which they fondly believe will help them move up socially and even, God willing, may result in them one day being mistaken for an English gentleman or lady, or in the case of certain posters here, either, as the social situation requires....

Anyone who publically makes remarks like "Oh Gosh - it's heff pest faive - Ay reely must desh!" is an idiot and a sell-out to the phony social climbers of Morningside and Kelvinside. It will come as an horrific shock to learn that many working class, Gaelic speaking people can recite their ancestry back to before the Norman Conquest, which is why those unburdened by personal envy often refer to them as Highland gentlemen. The Gaelic language itself is the oldest language spoken in Scotland as Scots itself, derived from Old Northumbrian is technically an English dialect that no one apart from elderly Borderers now speak, leaving aside Aberdeen and the Kingdom of Fife.

Recently, a friend from the Isle of Lewis and I were speaking Gaelic in a pub here in Canada, and someone asked us what language we were speaking. When we explained, we were assailed by eavesdroppers who wanted to know more about the language and who even asked if there was any school where they could learn Gaelic.
Gaels are the second largest ethnic group in Canada, according to the Canadian census and rare is the town that doesn't have a bagpipe band, usually a police band. There was no question of us being seen as illiterate rural peasants; my friend is a retired maste
30

Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 29/04/2009 15:41:32
cont: my friend is a retired master mariner and I am a retired soldier and neither of us would ever let the phrase "heff pest faive" pass our lips, unless it was the punchline of a joke.
So how about some respect for our beautiful Gaelic language? Let's face it - passing oneself off as an English gentleman is never going to work without years of practice, so why not start appreciating what many Gaels call "The Language of Paradise." If Gaels want to use Gaelic language cheques and the banks see it as an opportunity to reel in a few more customers, isn't that what the Scottish cities are all about - a taste of culture intermingled with near-naked greed and social pretentiousness?
31

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29/04/2009 15:53:43
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Masterpiece,

29/04/2009 17:14:09
I went out of my way to learn Gaelic so as to feel much more Scottish and it has never been a disappointment for me.
But I would like to find out from others, what they find makes them very Scottish, that is other than having been born here, as this is one thing we have no control over and can't alter.
33

Dave From Barra,

Western Isles 29/04/2009 17:26:15
32

Nope, Dave from Barra doesn't recall that becuase he wasn't there. Dave from Barra does recall a protracted statement from the 2 young "ladies" who admitted they made much of the stuff up.

It does seem however, the Trumps bottom @32 was there so perhaps he/she could give first hand details on the exploits then sell it to a well known Sunday tabloid just to clarify the whole position.

Then again, perhaps trumps bottom @32 won't because he\
/she wasn't there and doesn't have a scooby about much other than smear campaigns. That being a tried and boringly tested trick of lie-bore and McMaking it up McBride.

Parhaps Trumps bottom @32 would like to stick to the story instead of making things up as is the wish of lie-bore plutocrats and apartchiks.
34

Iain Mac,

29/04/2009 18:06:18
Allan handofgod at #24, could you rewrite that using only pure Anglo-Saxon words? None of this 'accepter' from French or 'television' from Greek. Or maybe you're just showing off?

Are the usual Scottish cringe whingers saying that because someone is in a minority, then they should be denied services? I wonder which of the many 'minorities' Allan is in?

Gay, church-goer, red-haired, disabled, black, blind, asthma sufferer, left-handed...
35

Iain Mac,

29/04/2009 18:07:18
#32- and the relevance of your postings are...?
36

Masterpiece,

29/04/2009 21:53:13
Has it been deceided yet whether or not the Caithness Gaelic Mod should be cancelled or moved to another venue. I feel the time has come, if the decision hasn't been made, to move it elsewhere.

Why should any money be spent in a community that is so clearly anti-Gaelic.
37

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29/04/2009 22:45:29
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Iain Mac,

http://tocasaid.blogspot.com/ 30/04/2009 21:58:41
#37 - i think yon councillors have their tails between their legs now.
39

Iain's,

Barcelona 01/05/2009 17:15:23
Here,in Catalunya, I can write cheques in Catalan or Spanish. If I could!

40

Gerry,

Galway 07/05/2009 11:00:36
My bank account is in Irish with Banc na hÉireann (Bank of Ireland). My account name (Gearóid) is in Irish and the the cheque book is entirely in Irish with no other language appearing anywhere, and that includes reconciliatio (Cúntasbhearta)pages etc. During the 1980's I often cashed Eurocheques in Rome made out to lire in Irish and experienced no difficulty. It seems to me that the solution is to have an A4 sheet with numbers in Scots Gaelic at every cashiers desk. After a very short time most workers would be familiar with them. If a Scottish bank will accept a cheque drawn on a Greek (EU member) bank written in the Cyrillic alphabet (and here I wonder how many bankers can read Greek) then to refuse Scots Gaelic-written cheques smells pecurliarly like the scent of an inferiority complex.
41

Gerry,

Galway 07/05/2009 11:22:22
If Scots Gaelic is similar (in the mathematical sense)to Irish - and, since I can read the Scotsman articles, I suspect it is - then one would need only a list if 31 number-words in Scots Gaelic to be able to verify any cheque written up to the value of a trillion. A single A4 sheet would suffice for several cashiers!!!!
42

A.T.,

Dun Eideann 09/05/2009 15:51:53
Why do Bord na Gaidhlig comment on such 'easy issues' when there are real issues affecting the lifeblood of Gaelic -Arthur Cormack in particular- chequebooks are such an easy target. This is particularly disturbing when they fail to tackle the Councils and the authorities that purport to have 'Gaelic plans'. They have spent - how much? - X amount on helping Councils and other institutions with Gaelic plans.

When will Bord na Gaidhlig come out and say 'This Council is not doing enough'?

When will Bord na Gaidhlig take a brave decision? Commenting on cheque books is easy. Arthur Cormack - show us that you are more than just an organisation primed to take on easy targets. Show us some mettle.

 

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