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Published Date: 18 May 2009
SCOTTISH Tories say they are ready to reintroduce tolls for the new Forth Road Bridge if there is no other way of paying for the crossing.
The party's transport spokesman, Alex Johnstone, said bringing back bridge tolls – scrapped by the SNP in February last year – would be a "position of last resort".

But his warning that such a move might be necessary was echoed by Edinburgh's Conservative group leader, Iain Whyte.

The Scottish Government and UK ministers are deadlocked over how the £2 billion bridge should be financed. Westminster rejected the SNP's proposal to bring forward spending from Scotland's capital budgets for the next 20 years.

And the Scottish Government dismissed a series of Treasury suggestions of where money could be found by juggling existing finances.

The SNP says unless a new solution is found, the bridge will be paid for out of normal capital spending, even though it will pose a serious threat to other transport projects across the country.

Mr Johnstone told a fringe meeting at the Scottish Tory conference in Perth that tolls to help pay for the new bridge could not be ruled out.

He said: "There is a serious problem about how we will finance the bridge.

"If we had to decide between charging tolls or not building it at all, I would be prepared to argue for tolls.

"We have not reached that point yet, but I do believe we may need to address that argument."

He said he had not yet held talks with colleagues at Westminster about any possible help from a future UK Conservative government.

Scottish Tories supported the scrapping of tolls. But Councillor Whyte said charging for the new crossing could be a pragmatic way of funding it.

"Why could we not look at tolls because we are building a new bridge? In the current financial climate, we have to investigate all the options. If it's a choice between a bridge with tolls or no bridge, I would have the tolls."

He said it was up to Holyrood and Westminster to work out a "sensible" way of funding the new bridge over a number of years.

But he added: "If there is no way of doing that, then other options have to be looked at."

Many green campaigners oppose the new bridge, but Dr Richard Dixon, director of environment group WWF Scotland, welcomed the Tories' comments on tolls. He said:

"Tolls give you the signal this is not free, there are a whole lot of costs involved and you might think seriously about choosing another form of transport."


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1

Vivas,

Edinburgh 18/05/2009 12:02:18
The Scottish Tories just getting warmed up for their inevitable post-election success unpopularity are they ? This looks to be the first of many similar suicide notes to the population of Scotland after Cameron becomes PM next year.
2

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 18/05/2009 12:03:30
Not a bad idea,as long as it is used towards the upkeep of the bridge.
3

Boswall,

18/05/2009 12:07:08
....ensuring that only those that use the bridge have to pay for it.

Difficult to see a downside to that.
4

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/05/2009 12:09:37
Rather than paying a cash toll, could we not convince the bridge authorities to hand over a stuffed animal instead? These could then be distributed to children's hospitals.
5

Dragonlord,

18/05/2009 12:18:14
When the Tories or other parties claim they are charging to cross the Thames, only then will I think they are on the right track. These Tories think we have short memories. It was only a couple of months ago that the Tory leader put down Scotland, and now he's crawling where the sun don't shine.
6

Foo,

18/05/2009 12:23:23
A £1 toll will hardly break the bank. Just bring them in.
7

elayne,

18/05/2009 12:28:30
never understood why it was scrapped in 1st place
8

Ecto,

18/05/2009 12:45:13
nice to see the tories are on a winning streak with this no hope policy! Keep it up guys this one is a winner!!

9

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 18/05/2009 12:47:04
#7 & #8:

It was scrapped due to gesture politics. I never had an issue with it. It was one of the few things left over from more sensible times that actually worked and was fair to all.

Of course, if they brought the tolls back again, they'd have to re-build the toll booths---at a cost running into millions.

It make sense to have tolls for the new crossing as well---provided of course, they are reasonable and not stupidly high at the whim of the anti-car morons (like tony).
10

Hmm ...,

18/05/2009 12:52:35
... Dr Richard Dixon, director of environment group WWF Scotland, welcomed the Tories' comments on tolls. He said:

"Tolls give you the signal this is not free, there are a whole lot of costs involved and you might think seriously about choosing another form of transport."

Absolutely, Rhichard - it's all about meaningless "signals" and nothing to do with the country's finances and the development of its economy. What a pillock!

And it's just tough luck that when our post-war road network was being developed by the bridges and motorways, Scotland's requirements took such a low priority that we have missed the boat - despite road transport contributing over £50 Billion in taxes each year that we can't find more than £8 billion to spend on transport (mainly subsidy of rail and bus operations).

I am coming to the view that it's time we took control of our own finances. Then we can invest what we can afford in our economy, not what an inept and, apparently, venal Westminster government decides it can afford to pas back to us.
11

S Wilson,

18/05/2009 12:55:03
For the majority of people the bridge would have cost you £5 per week. Hardly a huge expense in the grand scheme of things. The SNP in their manifesto pledged to rid Scotland of 'tolled' bridges and duly delivered when they won power. Populist politics at its worst!
12

Foo,

18/05/2009 12:56:58
Yep, I've never seen the problem with tolls, there was hardly any in Scotland anyway. Try driving anywhere in Japan and you'll see what tolls are all about.
13

Victoria Ian,

18/05/2009 12:57:00
They should never have gor rid of the tolls in the first place- if you want to use the bridge, help to pay for its upkeep. It's as simple as that!



14

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/05/2009 13:00:02
Yes. I think the same should be true of other things. Like parks, for example.
15

Brian Ferrari,

18/05/2009 13:07:51
#15

Yes, I suppose we could spend £2bn on a park and charge people £1 to use it.

Must be nice for the SNP to be in govt and not to have to raise any money.
16

Foo,

18/05/2009 13:14:30
Imagine the park you could build for £2b! The swings alone would be world class and put Scotland back on the map.
17

CRAGman,

18/05/2009 13:18:58
A new bridge simply isn't needed - cable drying should sort out the exisiting bridge and, failing that, new or extra cable can be fitted for around £100m. That's a lot cheaper than building a new bridge at £2000 million.
18

tomias,

Edinburgh 18/05/2009 13:35:06
this suggests a review of party political philosophies.
But the is a lot of water to pass along the Firth of Foth meanwhile.
19

D Napier,

18/05/2009 13:42:12
The SNP were idiots to remove the tolls in the first place. Toll revenue payed for the continued operation and maintenance of the Forth and Tay Road Bridges and provided the bridge authorities with a guaranteed income.

Now, these organisations have to fight for money from the Government alonmg with other similarly funded organisations. If Governmnet fails to provide sufficient funding then the the long term future of these bridges will be comprimised.
20

I love to eat Sellotape,

18/05/2009 14:05:18
We could also charge people for being sick in public. Someone has to clean it up. Or should.
21

Kirspin,

Fergus,Ontario ( twined with Blairgowie) 18/05/2009 14:34:01
Here we decided many years ago to do away with Bridge Tolls on the Burlington Sky-Way and the Welland Canal Suspension bridge as it was costing more to collect the Toll(Wages etc), Tolls never compensate for Bridge maintenance or for wages for Staff, to me it was a good move by any Government!
22

It's me!,

18/05/2009 15:29:39
If they can afford £16 billion pounds to build a new cross rail underground line in London and untold sums to refurbish a London railway station they can afford to build a new Forth Bridge without tolls. Get your fingers out, Scottish politians! The Scots, Welsh and Irish nats will hold a lot of power after the next election.
23

Andrew,

18/05/2009 15:31:17
Bridges over such vast expanses of water are basically the same as ferries in that they carry you (your car/lorry/bus or whatever) over/across a stretch of water. Has anyone ever suggested fare free ferries?
I doubt it!! For whom the tolls toll, 'just' seems 'fare'!
24

Smasher,

18/05/2009 15:51:11
Floating cars are a much cheaper solution. I'm sure I have seen them on Top Gear. With the new scappage allowance from Gordon Brown everyone in Fife can afford brand new one. The Forth is pretty wide and there would be very little congestion. On stormy days it would be dead exciting going to work for the 3 Fifers who have a job. No new bridge, no tolls.........brilliant.
25

Ecto,

18/05/2009 16:59:18
#25 very funny I nearly pished myself
26

Scrapthetramline,

Ma hoose in Fife tae work in Edinburgh and back ag 18/05/2009 17:06:16
Traffic flow northbound has NEVER been better so leave it as it is for that reason alone.

The predicted problem of additional traffic when tolls ended never happened. The cost of building (and taking down) the new toll plaza (built when 3 of the 4 major parties had pledged to scrap tolls) was almost as criminal a waste of public funds as the tramline.

No matter their plans, commuting habits will not change whilst it remains infinitely cheaper and convenient to drive rather than use the overly expensive and inadequate rail and bus services. That is the root of all congestion problems - it's nowhere near as cheap and fully integrated as the European models they are so desparate to replicate but clueless to deliver.
27

elayne,

18/05/2009 17:07:11
#26,how come you can say p*shed myself,,,and i cant!!!!its not fair
28

Scrapthetramline,

Edinburgh 18/05/2009 17:10:36
#28 Elayne - cos its unladylike but then again you can apparently post videos of it but I cant .. that sounds fair enough though ... lol
29

Dragonlord,

18/05/2009 17:34:04
14# The tolls NEVER paid for the bridge upkeep. The tolls barely covered the wages of the collectors. I have no problem with a resonable charge BUT As I stated earlier why do they not charge to cross the Thames? Every toll crossing is well away from the centre of London and when they look at charging down south then and only then should they think about elsewhere. As for the Toll booths I was amased when they were removed. Why not leave them in place and use the to close the bridge in bad weather? It would now be too expencive to replace them so why are the Tories even thinking of this?
30

Dragonlord,

18/05/2009 19:24:25
28# Thought everyone could say pished
31

Mr. Borat Sagdiyev,

Kuzcek, Kazakhstan 18/05/2009 20:21:11
Isn't it funny how whenever a story like this appears some irritating self-righteous anti-freedom environmentalist git a la Richard Dixon has to get a comment in to dig in to people.

Dr Dixon you are a gibbering prat, leave us all well alone to live our lives as we please, and kindly take your Climate Change cack with you.

The Tories are as bad as all the other parties; staggering around in what remains of the shambolic British political scene like some drunken Ned staggering home at 2am, with about as much inteligence.
32

is it me?,

Edinburgh ,staggering home at 9 pm 18/05/2009 20:37:24
#32
Yeah!
33

D Napier,

18/05/2009 21:44:54
#27. It is obvious that you do not travel northbound in the evening peak. Queues are as bad if not worse than before the tolls were abolished.

#30. Toll revenue paid for the operation and Maintenance of the Forth Road Bridge and lots more. Toll revenue from FETA helped to fund projects such as Ferrytoll Park & Ride, the Rosyth Link Road and the M9 Spur Extension. Why don't you sheck the facts before making such statements.
34

cheesetown,

19/05/2009 04:32:29
#34 WHY DONT YOU SHECH YOUR SPELLING BEFORE YOU START TALKING A LOT OF PASH
35

Build me a tunnel,

19/05/2009 11:42:11
I agree. D Napier is a pseudonym for verbal diarrhoea.
36

Skip McClendon,

19/05/2009 11:54:14
I see the police have arrested a pensioner for endangering cyclists during that race in Perthshire by scattering carpet tacks all over the race route.

Gorgie Tony on a nice day out, perhaps?
37

Supermac,

23/05/2009 07:03:35
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38

Supermac,

23/05/2009 07:06:48
#30

Check your facts.

The tolls brought in about £12m with toll collection costing just over £1m. The rest was used for bridge maintenance & running costs and then transport projects e.g. A8000 spur.
39

Incandescent,

01/06/2009 12:25:25
#34 D Napier

"#27. It is obvious that you do not travel northbound in the evening peak. Queues are as bad if not worse than before the tolls were abolished."

"It is obvious" that the additional traffic is joining from the M9 spur, so trying to implicate the toll removal is disingenuous.
40

Marga,

Edinburgh 23/06/2009 16:46:52
S Wilson - you say:
"For the majority of people the bridge would have cost you £5 per week" - the MAJORITY of people would not have to pay, only Fifers (or Edinburghers).

It's like suggesting that Edinburgh people should pay extra to travel by train because they have a new station. The only way the MAJORITY of people will pay is through taxes.

 

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