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Published Date: 05 May 2007
RANGERS manager Walter Smith has urged fans to be on their best behaviour at today's Old Firm derby in a bid to avoid further punishment from UEFA.
The Ibrox club were fined £8,280 following the actions of their supporters at the UEFA Cup tie against Osasuna in Pamplona in March. Footage of fans singing sectarian songs was posted on the YouTube website despite efforts by Rangers and fans' groups
to stamp out bigotry at matches.

The incident came less than 12 months after Rangers were fined £13,000 for discriminatory chanting at a Champions League tie against Villarreal and club officials are aware they could face far more serious sanctions for any future offences.

The visit of Celtic in the final Old Firm game of the season is likely to be scrutinised by UEFA, and Smith is keen for supporters to prove they have finally learned their lesson.

He said: "We have made it quite clear what Rangers' stance is for a number of seasons now, it's just been highlighted recently by the UEFA thing. It still remains in place. Everybody at Rangers has to be aware of that and the consequences if they continue to break it. It's not just the Rangers and Celtic game where that comes into focus, it will be every match from now on."

Smith added: "Rangers and Celtic fans, over a period of years now, have always behaved. There have not been a great deal of problems in and around the stadiums which is the only bit we can really comment on."

Osasuna were penalised £31,050 for a lack of organisation and insufficient segregation of supporters after Rangers fans complained of heavy-handed policing at the last-16 match.

The verdict was welcomed by Smith, who said: "It shows UEFA now have concerns about policing aspects abroad, as well as here. The stuff which happened in Spain and the stuff that happened to Manchester United when they were in Rome, you don't see happening in Britain because the grounds are well segregated and well policed. It's only right that some of the blame should be apportioned to the club responsible. That's natural."



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1

Stevie-C,

Edinburgh 05/05/2007 00:37:04

It's strange that no-one picked up on the monkey noises that fans at Celtic Park were making towards Larry Kingston everytime he took a corner? How convenient!!!!!

www.thetalkothetoun.com

2

texan,

Scotland 05/05/2007 01:59:04

Probably because it didn't happen.
Now go lie down and get some more fictional ideas.

3

Toronto #1 Bear,

Toronto 05/05/2007 02:30:30

#2 - climb off your high horse, both old firm teams have an element of sectarian singing and bigotry within their ranks or will you deny the taunting of Rangers fans at Celtic park last game with ha,ha..ha,ha..ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...you know to the tune of the 'billy boys' funny how if Rangers fans were to do the same thing with the same song you'd be gnashing your teeth and stomping your feet about it.

4

Roisin Dubh,

UK 05/05/2007 08:08:37

3

Toronto Fool

Any examples of "sectarian singing and bigotry" from Celts at a game in the last few years?

5

Boberto,

05/05/2007 08:42:22

4, calling the Rangers manager an "Orange b*st*rd", various songs about the IRA, the version of "Roaming In The Gloaming" which says "F*ck King Billy and John Knox".

6

Loki,

Valhalla 05/05/2007 08:45:04

UEFA have no jurisdiction over SPL games.

7

Roisin Dubh,

UK 05/05/2007 09:19:53

5

Interesting stuff, but no examples of "sectarian singing and bigotry" from Celts at games.

Any examples?

8

Roisin Dubh,

UK 05/05/2007 09:22:36

5

"various songs about the IRA"

Really?

Which songs?

9

No One Likes Us,

We Don't Care 05/05/2007 09:37:59

Hopefully we'll have No Pope Of Rome, F@ck The Pope, The Billy Boys, The Green Grassy Slopes Of The Boyne, The Sash, Derrys Walls and any other song we want to sing.
No doubt the scum that are celtic fans will do their bit to create an atmosphere of hate as well.
No Surrender.

10

Prince Myshkin,

05/05/2007 09:41:35

< Hopefully we'll have No Pope Of Rome, F@ck The Pope, The Billy Boys, The Green Grassy Slopes Of The Boyne, The Sash, Derrys Walls >
Sounds like Tynecastle when they are playing Celtic.

11

Boberto,

05/05/2007 09:45:49

""various songs about the IRA"

Really?

Which songs?" (8)

"The Boys Of The Old Brigade", "Roll Of Honour", the version of "This Land" which celebrates "Free Derry" (the IRA-controlled area of the city), etc.

And I gave you examples of sectarian singing and bigotry from Celtic fans in #5.

You keep up the denial routine if you want. I'm off to the match. Bye!

12

No One Likes Us,

We Don't Care 05/05/2007 09:46:37

#10 Got to agree there but if you ask a Jambo, they never sing party songs.
Just like the Hibs scum don't sing party songs.

13

Prince Myshkin,

05/05/2007 09:50:19

I'm a Celtic fan, but at least with Rangers we know what we're up against, and vice versa. Hearts sing sectarian songs when Celtic visit, and Hibs so the same when Rangers visit them.

Complete and utter hypocrites, every one of the Edinburgh blowhards.

14

Roisin Dubh,

UK 05/05/2007 09:51:50

Oh, no denial here, Boberto, just a pursuit of the truth.

I know you'll use your usual practices to evade the truth.

In #5 you gave me NO EXAMPLES of sectarian singing of Celts at games. Just a historical roll call of songs Celts sang at some games sometime.

Now, ref the political anthems you list, please tell us which games you think you heard them performed at.

Are you against political anthems at football matches?

Should they be banned?

15

Roisin Dubh,

UK 05/05/2007 09:57:20

10,

the fascinating thing about your list is the obsession these "proud Scots" have with foreign affairs (note they get upset with Celts because of our Irish connections!!!


No Pope Of Rome, ITALY

F@ck The Pope A GERMAN GUY

The Billy Boys AH, THIS IS PURE GLASWEGIAN BIGOTRY

The Green Grassy Slopes Of The Boyne, IRELAND, A FOREIGN COUNTRY

The Sash, Derrys Walls IRELAND, 1688, A FOREIGN COUNTRY

Strange bunch!

16

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 10:00:40

# 14 They are subg ar every game celtic play and with great gusto at celtic park when Rangers visit. And they are not political they are sectarian. Remember the ira are a sewctarian organisation which carried out sectarian atrocities. As Boberto said be in denial if you want but nobody's fooled.

17

Roisin Dubh,

UK 05/05/2007 10:09:01

14

Really, Dabs?

Will we hear all of them today at Hades?

----------------------------------------------------

Dabs,

On another page, you made an angry denial of RFC's discriminatory signing policy.

When I asked you to list known Catholics, signed by RFC that played between 1945 and MoJo being signed (in 1989) you ran away like a coward.

Can I have your list now, please?

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05/05/2007 10:20:11
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Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 11:00:11

You did not ask for that list. Someone by the name of Clovadog did. The list has been published before only for someone to state that they were names of teachers at St Aloysius College. The ira carried out sectarian atrocities. brave men and woman!!!! That says alot about you. They were cowardly murderers. Why were there no protestant directors at celtic until 1994? I am not a coward. When i got back they had closed the postings and I am certainly not scared of someone like you.

21

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 12:17:07

20

I'm asking you - yet again - to provide the names.

Known Catholics, signed and played for RFC first team between 1945 and MoJo signing in 1989.

By your repeated failure to answer this question, you ARE a coward.

22

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 15:39:55

You can ask until you are blue in the face. Your definition of a coward is your own and suits your purposes.

23

I-Mac,

05/05/2007 15:48:15

I see Clonvadog (sp?), who used to be various versions of John, has become Roisin Dubh (again?). Man of many faces!

And he's trying to tell us that calling folk an "Orange b*****d" or singing "f*ck John Knox" is "political". Dear oh dear.

Both sides have had their unsavoury songs and chants and both sides have made some progress. Let's hope that progress continues.

24

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 15:56:12

23 Ah, I didn't pick that up in his post 17 where he let his identity slip. Well that explains a lot: multipersonality disorder.

25

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 16:08:36

22

Oh dear dear dear...

Unable to provide the list, Dabs?

Then why did you make such a stupid claim?

Here's the reality:

The Rangers FC had an anti Catholic signing policy for decades.

26

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 16:09:51

23

IMAC

Why are you trying to tell us that calling folk an "Orange b*****d" or singing "f*ck John Knox" is "political"?

27

BEMUSED EXILE,

Blue Heaven... 05/05/2007 16:38:15

I see we're in the court of the many-named, anti-Rangers obsessed idiot-savant again.
Deep joy!

28

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 16:40:58

25 Rangers did not whilst celtic did.

29

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 16:45:41

27 Not only anti-Rangers but anti-protestant and anti-British. A terrorist supporting bigot of the lowest order. Revels in the murder of innocent civilians.

30

BEMUSED EXILE,

Blue Heaven... 05/05/2007 16:58:40

Yeah, but in fairness to him, he does help old ladies across the road.
(Unless they're wearing Rangers tops)

31

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 17:05:42

Rather, pushes them in front of buses.

32

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:13:52

29

Any examples of my supposed anti protestant stuff, Liar?

33

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:15:14

30

BE

Have you seen me posting any anti Protestant stuff here?

34

BEMUSED EXILE,

Blue Heaven... 05/05/2007 18:24:23

Never said you have.
But many posters probably make that deduction from your fervent anti-Rangers stance and your seemingly apologist position for Republican Terrorist groups!

35

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:34:36

34

BE

Please confirm, BE, that you have never seen me make ANY anti Protestant posts.

36

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:35:36

35

Have I made any statements in favour of Republican Terrorist Groups?

37

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:36:07

Ooooops

34 BE


Have I made any statements in favour of Republican Terrorist Groups?

38

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 18:46:59

Plenty

39

BEMUSED EXILE,

Blue Heaven... 05/05/2007 18:47:06

Like I say. It's a deduction that many posters may make. Not a direct accusation or even necessarily in line with my own views.
I do think however, that you might have more luck with regard to having your arguments accepted if you were more accepting of your own team's faults!

40

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:53:03

Still struggling then, Dabs?

Here....let me tell you the truth!

Between 1945 & 1989, RFC played ONE known Catholic in the first team. An American Catholic by the name of O'Neill.

So, ONE Catholic in 44 filthy, dirty, bigotted years of a stinking institution: The Rangers FC.

Conversely, one day in May 1967 in a game in Lisbon Celtic had THREE non Catholics the team and a non Catholic Manager.

Similarly, Celtic FC had THREE Prod captains during the 1950's alone.

The Rangers FC stinks.

41

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 18:54:06

BE

Can I have a straight answer to my question posed at 34 please?

42

Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 18:59:14

40 Utter crap. I know of more catholics who played for Rangers during that time and I know one personally. You, on the other hand, know nothing. Three non catholics in a scottish football team makes less than 30% of the team whereas in scotland protestants are 70-75% of the population. How come celtic didn't have at least 70% of their team made up of protestants? How come celtic didn't have a protestant director until 1994? Why wasn't your most sucessful manager ever rewarded for his efforts with a place on the board? Refer your negative adjectives to your own club, the sporting wing of the ira.

43

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:01:04

42

Utter crap, eh?

You know better?

List them.

44

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:02:18
45

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Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:08:17

BE


Are you frightened too?

I asked you some straight questions.

Are you too frightened to answer?

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Dabulamanzi,

05/05/2007 19:11:25

#46 If the catholic directors were not bigots then there would be no problem,. The family firm argument has been played before and, like you,does not wash. As I said on the other article you are getting childish now so I am breaking off now. You are a sad creep and a lonely bigot.

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Thommo,

05/05/2007 19:16:59

John Spencer is a Catholic who made his Rangers first-team debut in 1987.

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Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:22:18

50

What age was he, Thommo?

53

Thommo,

05/05/2007 19:25:36

About 17.

54

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:25:42

48

What family firms do you know that had Prod Directors when the families are Catholic?

My big pal's family has a plumbing business. Employs almost 100 people. Very successful. Been in the family since early 1900's. Prod family. Him. His da. His grandpa. His great grandpa. All Prods.

Are they bigots because the have had no Catholic Directors?

Really?

55

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:26:22

53

Prove it.

56

Thommo,

05/05/2007 19:33:52

55, buy the book 'Rangers, Player by Player' and you'll find the proof.

Or get it out of the library.

57

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:37:40

56

The usual claim is that he played in April 87.

He would have been 16.

The truth is that he played for RFC at that time, but not in the first team.

58

Thommo,

05/05/2007 19:39:47

57, the book I mentioed, which is highy reliable, says otherwise. You should check it out.

Or can you prove your alternative claim?

59

BEMUSED EXILE,

Blue Heaven... 05/05/2007 19:43:23

Well, at least we now both acknowledge that debate between us is a waste of time, so I don't need to feel bad about ignoring you from now on.

You can continue your crusade against all things "Rangers" (despite your admission that they are working on the problem and that it is lessening, which kind of makes your crusade pointless, but that's a different argument).

I'll largely stick to football, which is why I come on here, anyway, and send my sympathies to those naive enough to get snared in your web.

60

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:48:14

58

Highly unreliable.

Kinda moot point anyway.

Even if you were right and this 16 year old Catholic boy playerd for the first team, that would take them to tow in 44 years.

ie STILL filthy bigots.

61

Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:48:25

* two

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Roisin Dubh,

05/05/2007 19:50:21

No "crusade", BE.

I just tell the truth.

It upsets a certain sort here.

You avoid the truth eg you avoided straight answers to my earlier questions. I guess you could remedy that now if you had the decency.

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Thommo,

05/05/2007 20:01:12

So far. And see the comments above on the low proportions of Protestants in Celtic teams. Tommy Gemmell tells in his autobiography how, when he joined Celtic, he and another new guy were the only Protestant players there - and they were subjected to sectarian abuse from their own Celtic team-mates.

And a member of his own family has stated that former Celtic chairman Bob Kelly wanted an all-Catholic Celtic, but found it impractical.

So, f you're consistent, you'll declare Celtic "filthy bigots" too.

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Seamus,

On top of the world ma... 05/05/2007 21:33:30

Roisin Dubh - An arsehole of the highest order methinks. He / she / it is not here to talk about football, just ignore it.

66

Dabulamanzi,

06/05/2007 18:46:25

65 He's just a lonely, bitter and twisted, terrorist loving bigot who lives in the past. But well balanced, a chip on both his shoulders.


 

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