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Published Date: 06 November 2006
IN THE dimly lit control room at Tollcross, fire and rescue, operators prepare for what would turn out to be the busiest night any of them has experienced in the past decade.
Fire crews were drafted in from across the region to help overstretched teams in the Capital as the number of 999 calls soared to double the number received last November 5.

Crews were attacked in three separate incidents by stone-throwing yobs as their colleagues hopped from one emergency call to another, with out-of-control bonfires raging across the city, stray fireworks sparking a major blaze on Arthur Seat and communities plagued by hundreds of malicious fires.

At the busiest point of the night, the city's fire control centre dealt with 100 calls an hour, pushing crews to the limits while trying to hold something back in reserve in case of a major emergency.

As the teams of firefighters faced a constant stream of call-outs, inevitably some faced more than just the dangers presented by smoke and flames.

Three crews were threatened and attacked as gangs of youths gathered round bonfires and lay in wait for the engines to appear.

Yobs hurled stones at an appliance in Whitburn when they were called to a bonfire at around 5pm and police had to be called to Hay Gardens in Niddrie and Bankhead in Sighthill when gangs of youths threatened the crews.

But fire chiefs today said they were pleased there were not more attacks, considering the huge volume of calls. The total number was 770, compared to last year's total of around 430 - around eight times an average night.

Of these, 21 were serious fires including those in flats and houses, around 100 were bonfires that were out of control, and 100 were other minor fires.

Watch commander Martin Egan said today : "It was exceptionally busy, even for Bonfire Night.

"We have no way of predicting these things. It can be partly due to the weather. Last night was a nice, dry, bright, clear night. There's also the fact that Bonfire Night fell on a weekend.

"We were very pleased there were only three incidents recorded when the crews were threatened."

At 7pm a Sunday night, Bonfire Night, the control operators were working flat out as fire engines were drafted in from as far away as Peebles and Galashiels to cope with the huge volume of calls in Edinburgh.

Six control operators and managers talked into headphones, dealing with 999 calls from the across the whole service area. Fire control operator Diane Black was in constant radio contact with the fire crews.

Code numbers for all the fire engines in Lothian and the Borders are projected on a huge screen at the front of the room, which flash green if they are available, red if they are dealing with a fire.

At one moment the control room was dealing with around 60 calls a minute. Ten to 15 incidents flashed up on the screen, including bonfires which are out of control, bins set alight, and a blaze in a flat.

Group manager Mike Partington said: "Normally we don't have to prioritise calls, a call comes in and we react. But tonight we might have to stack them. We're so busy the fire engines won't come back to Tollcross. They'll go from fire, to fire, to fire."

In the fire station next door, four pairs of black boots lay abandoned next to where one of the engines stood.

Another appliance and crew of retained firefighters from Peebles were drafted in to help cover the city centre. They stayed at Tollcross in case a major fire broke out.

Ali Clyde, a builder, had just finished his tea in his house in Peebles when the beeper he wears constantly on his belt sounded.

"I just escaped drying the dishes - it was perfect timing!" he said. "This beeper goes everywhere with me. When I go to bed, it sits on the bedside cabinet. We can get called out four or five times a week."

The crew, which includes a plasterer, a plumber and a council green keeper, dashed to the fire station to drive to Edinburgh.

Meanwhile, Tollcross's Blue Watch crew had been constantly on the go since 5.30pm.

So far, they had tackled bonfires and rubbish fires at Bruntsfield, Sighthill, Gilmerton, and Burdiehouse Road. Driver and firefighter Phil Lawson said: "We haven't been in the station for more than 20 seconds. We've been to about six fires so far.

"Some people don't realise it's November 5, and a neighbour has probably called us. If it's under adult supervision, we'll just leave it. If it's just kids, and they're making a noise or doing something dangerous, we'll put it out."

But they were prepared for a less than warm welcome. Crews had been advised to switch off their blue flashing lights and sirens as they arrived at a fire, and reverse in to make a quick getaway.

At around 8pm, the radio operator instructed the crew to proceed to a rubbish fire in Morningside Drive. A resident, Ruth McDowell, called when youths set fire to a large wheelie bin next to her flat.

She said: "I heard a noise, then I looked out and saw them sticking a rocket in the bin. I ran out and shouted at them, and they all scarpered."

She and her neighbour Karen Dallas had been trying to extinguish it with buckets of water.

The smoke had almost died down, but one firefighter climbed in the bin to check there is no more smouldering rubbish.

Meanwhile, Tollcross's other fire engine was sent to Westerhailes Park. Three teenagers lit a bonfire on the green opposite their houses. The flames got out of hand and a neighbour phoned 999. It took a few minutes for two of the firefighters to put it out with a hosereel, while another two stayed with the engine.

As they headed back to the station, the radio was still going constantly. A smoke alarm had gone off at Jenners in Princes Street, and an electrical shop was on fire in Pennywell Road. Then reports came in that there was a serious fire on Arthur's Seat. Three appliances, including the retained fire crew from Peebles, were sent out.

Around 500 people climbed the hill to watch fireworks in the city, and a stray firework had set the gorse alight. As we drove through Holyrood Park, leaping flames were visible high up on the west side of the hill. There were fears some people could still be up there, with the fire blocking their way down. The police arrived and cordoned off the path.

Police and firefighters used flashlights to guide the remaining people down from the hill.

The crew began to unload their equipment, but as no-one was in any danger, they decided to let the fires burn themselves out.

By 10.30pm the control room was becoming slightly less frantic. But the fire in the back room of the electrical shop in Pennywell Road was still blazing. And another call came in to say that a fire has started in the basement of the Shore Bar and Restaurant in Leith. "A basement fire is the worst kind. There's nowhere for the smoke to go," said Mike Partington.

Control manager Alwyn Ferguson says they had dealt with more than 500 calls between 6pm and 10.30pm. "The weather affects the volume of calls. It's been a beautiful night, and it's been non-stop since four o'clock. At a time like this, the issue is not just getting the crews to the jobs, but to keep enough cover to deal with anything else, like a road accident. We've brought Galashiels up to Tollcross, and Lauder into Dalkeith."

As we left the fire station at 11pm, one of the Tollcross crews was just returning. "We've had nine fires since Morningside Drive," Phil Lawson said. For the first time that night, they have the chance to sit down for a cup of tea, but their shift is far from over as more fires rage across Edinburgh into the small hours.

CONTROL ROOM LINES BURN RED-HOT


Incident log for Lothian and Borders Fire and Rescue between 7pm and 7.30pm on November 5

7pm Bin set alight, Piershill Square East, Edinburgh

7.02 Fire on the green, Firhill Drive

7.02 Fire in flats under demolition at Oxgangs Crescent

7.05 Fire at children's play park, Redcraig Road

7.06 Bonfire at Stenhouse Drive

7.07 Fire in park at New Row, Tranent

7.06 Bonfire at the cemetery near Woodland Trust

7.07 Bonfire at Pilrig Park, Pilrig Place

7.08 Bonfire at North Bughtlin Road, Edinburgh

7.09 Flammable materials at Forrest Road, Edinburgh

7.08 Fire outside Birniehill Crescent, Bathgate

7.09 Wheelie bin on fire on West Mains Street, Armadale

7.10 Bonfire on Perth Street, Craigshill

7.11 Car alight at rear of Scotmid on Main Street, Armadale

7.11 Bonfire on Craigswood Avenue, Dalkeith

7.12 Rubbish alight on Northfield, Tranent

7.12 Recycling bins on fire in the car park at Morrisons, Edinburgh

7.12 Bonfire on Redhill Street, Blackburn

7.15 Skip alight at Deans High School, Carmondean

7.15 Flat alight at Dun Terrace, Harthill

7.16 Fire in open air, near garage at Stoneyburn

7.19 Fire on Ferry Road, Edinburgh

7.20 Fire at Old Tyre Place, Old Liston Road

7.20 Fire in recycling skip at Royal High School

7.21 Fire in empty house at Burdiehouse Drive

7.22 Fire in garden at Silverknowes Green

7.22 Bushes alight in city car park

7.23 Fire alarm sounded at Lennox Tower, Bavelaw Gardens

7.24 Bonfire by harbour

7.27 Bonfire on Leith Links

7.28 Field fire at East Whitburn swing park

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1

Paul Voltaire,

06/11/2006 13:03:47

The increase in such fireraising is just a reflection of how our society is being spoiled by the yob culture.

2

Darren,

www.wdpics.com 06/11/2006 13:06:17

give the stone throwers time inside a fire, let them suffer the 1000 c heats, and see if they will do it again, pr*cks

3

Cassandra,

06/11/2006 13:16:54

Surely this is enough evidence that firework sales and unsupervised bonfires need to be banned. What did this exercise cost in terms of taxpayers' money, firefighters' stress or injury and damage to property? Many sub-humans seem to regard bonfire night as a licence to hurt their communities.
Perhaps the Roman Catholic church in Britain should lead a banning campaign - after all, bonfire night celebrates the barbaric execution of the leader of a Catholic conspiracy to overthrow the government, so it could be regarded as incitement to religious hatred... I believe a law was recently passed banning this...?

4

David Fleurety,

06/11/2006 13:19:20

obviously, the most fitting punishment for these yobs would be to pay them to watch telly and drink tea and then tell them that they suddenly have a lot of work to do

5

sheila,

leith 06/11/2006 13:20:26

Oh come on Cassandra don't be a killjoy. My young children loved the fireworks last night, why should a couple of yobs spoil it for everyone.

6

Voltaire, Paul,

06/11/2006 13:29:56

Let the wee hooligans burn!

7

Ian Ross,

Edinburgh 06/11/2006 13:31:02

Sorry Sheila, you can take your children to one of the organised displays. Modern fireworks are far too powerful to be allowed in the hands of the yobs who have made folk's lives a misery for the past few weeks. and where did they get the money from ? Time the sale of fireworks to the general public was banned - they are still going off today on the 6th.

8

Spondoolicks,

06/11/2006 13:42:28

It's like (what I can only imagine) a warzone on fireworks night in Edinburgh - and as for the days leading up to it and after....

The fireworks you can buy now legally are far too big for domestic use. Why not just have organised displays?

9

Fluffy,

06/11/2006 14:00:32

I agree with Ian #6. I have a horrific memory from Primary School, of a little lad in my class losing an eye when a firework hit him (not at an organised display). When my son was little, I certainly took him to organised displays, where you kept your distance and were out of danger.

Ban the sale of these dangerous substances to the general public now!!!

10

bupf,

06/11/2006 14:14:53

Lack of community is the problem. Sure each area can have its own display and its own bonfire - but they should be locally organised and no smaller , out of control ones allowed. These are kids - Scottish kids. Give them an excuse to light a fire - what do you think will happen ?

Icos de los Vinos in La gomera occurs every June 24. Its fairly out of control but there is one event per village/town.

Even if it means police out driving around to spot the bonfires earlier on and putting an end to it - it should be done. What would have happened if there hadve been a large blaze at a hotel for instance ?

11

Cassandra,

06/11/2006 14:21:35

Sheila 5 - I'm sure your kids did love it - so did my elderly aunt, whose nursing home staged a firework display we all enjoyed, and no-one was hurt or frightened.
However, there are too many people with malicious intent who see bonfire night as a way of making themselves important.
Do you honestly think the number of call-outs for the fire brigade is worth it just so that you and your kids can indulge?
I'm not saying ban firework displays - I'm just saying they should be publicly, not privately staged. Fireworks should not be on sale to the public. To use fireworks as part of any kind of entertainment, the practitioners have to have a pyrotechnics licence, and most of the people who have one have bits of themselves missing! You have to have a licence to drive a car - you should need one to buy fireworks too.

12

Fitzy,

Glasgow, Scotland 06/11/2006 14:24:53

I feel very strongly that all fireworks should be banned except those used by the experts (pyrotechnics) at big firework displays.
I saw a boy no older than 12 coming out of a shop selling fireworks with a large bin-bag full to the top showing his pals with great pride his collection. Where are the parents of this boy I wonder. Too busy drinking in front of the telly I would bet. The building of bonfires should also be banned as most are unsupervised and I have seen yobs throwing aerosol cans directly into such fires; just to see them explode.
If a country as large as the USA (Northern States anyway) has made it illegal to buy and sell fireworks then why is the UK government so reluctant to do so.

13

The Lyin King,

Ex Edinburgh...now Western Australia 06/11/2006 14:29:49

I think a lot of you comentators have lost the plot, its not about fireworks or bonfires, surely its about the abuse your valiant Fire Fighters are suffering at the hands of these yobos.......... I know about fires here in WA and indeed the rest of Australia....... deport your yobos here and let them see what Bush fires are all about...if they start stoneing our F/Fighters WE the public would sort them out

14

Kev18,

06/11/2006 14:34:51

Its an absolute disgrace and I agree that fireworks should be banned and only licensed displays should be allowed. However, how do you stop ASBO kids getting hold of compressed canisters and the likes to chuck into bonfires?

For those that fall victim to injury from misuse of fireworks or bonfires it serves them damn right. Just pains me that i am paying for their treatment.

15

ayeaye,

edinburgh 06/11/2006 14:40:56

once again, the mindlessness of a minority sparks off (no pun intended) the whining bores who want everything that is fun banned.

Whilst, as a responsible person, I cannot possibly condone the thuggery that sometimes goes hand in hand with Guy Fawkes' Night, particularly the attacks on the emergency services- the stupidity of which is deplorable- I absolutely defend those ordinary groups of youngsters who simply want to enjoy the thrill of setting off fireworks.

Bonfire night is part of our cultural heritage, whichever side of the protestant/catholic divide you stand on - it's a great thing that people are prepared to get together in groups and light fires and fireworks instead of sitting at home and watching tv. There is no more fun way to spend an evening than chatting with friends round a fire, having a drink and watching with delight as the air fills with whizzes and bangs and dazzling displays of colour - you also can't measure the thrill of setting off your own rockets!

Why should be all pay over the odds to go to organised displays, and have to listen to some hideous DJ and hardly see any of the action (as happened to a friend of mine who went to Meadowbank)

Please stop your nanny-style whingeing, you lot, and get into the swing of it - it's party season!! As the summer dies off we have to look to thngs like the Samhuinn festival, Guy Fawkes' Night and Christmas parties try make the long dark nights more fun!

There are plenty of young responsible people out there who do everything they can to be safe and would never dream of abusing the fire brigade, innocent bystanders or pets or anything, so give us a break!!!

16

Janet,

Edinburgh 06/11/2006 14:44:39

I think machine guns should be fitted on top of all fire engines, and firemen should be able to shoot the little f***ers at will.


seriously though = guns on fire engines.

seriously dude.

17

yawning,

06/11/2006 14:44:56

Correct Ian , stoning firefighters is just plainly wrong . Any other country and these little neds would be given a good hiding by either the parkie the police , their parents or even the firefighters themselves , sadly those days are gone here due to the protest of the pc brigade

Time the pc lot realise that their namby pamby policies have created this yob culture. No consequences for these neds means theres no reason for them to stop it...and while we keep electing pat the dinner lady type people into politics then it wont get any better.

18

Fred,

Old Town 06/11/2006 14:48:48

Bunch of miserable killjoys, ban everything brigade. We had a fantastic time with our own firework display and i'm going to do it again next year and the year ahead. Organised displays are like a bombing run, horrendously loud and structurally damaging to buildings and i'm not going to spend a night at one with miserable boring sods like yourself's. Well done the fire brigade for keeping up with the calls as well.

19

Janet,

Edinburgh 06/11/2006 14:55:38

FRED THE NED.

20

Filled Rolls,

06/11/2006 14:56:16

So last night was the Fire Brigade's busiest of the year? No wonder I couldn't get a taxi!

21

Filled Rolls,

06/11/2006 15:00:16

Firework Enthusiast, I completely agree with your thoughts on the nanny state. Perhaps we could take things a bit further and ban all legislation that is aimed at making people safer?

It should be up to the individual whether they wear seatbelts in cars, wear bri nylon pyjamas next to fires, or sleep with the electric blanket on, as well.

People can look after themselves, in fact why have a fire brigade at all?

22

paul the binman,

06/11/2006 15:09:04

7:29 tea time
7:30 posed for "fire fighters poster"
7:40 snooker
7:45 nipped out to Tesco's
7:55 polished engine
8:15 handed out "gay pride"leaflets

23

DAVID,

Edinburgh 06/11/2006 15:09:06

I think the Council should raise our council taxes a bit more to fund some Outward Bound holidays for the stone throwers.

Alternatively, the Fire Brigade should get proper Eastern Europe / South America style water cannons fitted and then fill them with assorted urine and excrement and then let the swines enjoy a damn good soaking - a la the good old days of Chile and Argentina under the military dictators.

24

paul the binman,

06/11/2006 15:20:05

The Evening News would like to that Fire Fighters Hugh Pugh, Barny Mcgrugh,Cuthbert Dibble and Grubb for their help with this item :)

25

paul the binman,

06/11/2006 15:21:19

"oops" like to thank,even

26

Alison,

06/11/2006 15:24:02

I used to enjoy the firework display my parents would put on for my brother and I in the backgarden, and then the displays organised by the round table which were far more impressive.

However I now believe some people are too reckless with objects that can cause so much damage.

Can anyone tell me what I'm supposed to do with the 2 unexploded garden rockets that have ended up in my garden this weekend?

27

bupf,

06/11/2006 15:31:35

"Can anyone tell me what I'm supposed to do with the 2 unexploded garden rockets that have ended up in my garden this weekend?"

Not on this forum I can't.

28

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06/11/2006 16:21:56
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29

Repton,

edinburgh 06/11/2006 16:22:31

They should put a rocket round this lot of neddies backs and fire them off to the moon with a one way ticket.

30

ayeaye,

edinburgh 06/11/2006 16:41:02

Ileterati, hmm... i hope your tongue was firmly in cheek with that last comment. Of course we need a fire brigade and yes, some rules are necessary to stop silly or reckless people from causing death or injury to themselves and others.

I am just sick and tired of being told what to do all the time "for my own good".

And yes, if I want to cycle without a helmet on, I will.

hahahaha!

31

polisjim,

06/11/2006 16:44:59

paul the binman, where can you get the posters?? Janet...great big shiney f@*?ing machine guns!! or i suppose they just need a good hug ha ha...

32

Scotty-ex pat,

Canada 06/11/2006 16:53:11

Why don't the firefighters turn their hoses on these yobs.That would soon knock the wind out of them

33

Scotty-ex pat,

Canada 06/11/2006 16:53:19

Why don't the firefighters turn their hoses on these yobs.That would soon knock the wind out of them

34

polisjim,

06/11/2006 17:02:00

margaret I went to a hypnotist that cured my
s-s-s-stutter

35

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06/11/2006 17:05:32
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36

Libertarian,

San Francisco 06/11/2006 17:06:33

Make it a felony to interfere or obstruct Public Safety Officers during an emergency situation.
It is a serious crime here in the U.S.

37

Xena - Warrior Princess,

06/11/2006 17:10:24

To Janet and the rest of the kill em, shoot em, birch em brigade. What a sad lot of human beings you are and you have the cheek to wonder why we have neds!! You are nothing but full grown neds yourselves! I totally agree with the banning of the powerful fireworks they are far too dangerous and agree with Terri about the effect they have on animals.

38

Jayess,

Edinburgh EH9 06/11/2006 17:39:08

Listen all you firework enthusiasts! Fireworks is like hunting - it's fun only for the entirely selfish.

We don't allow air passengers to carry liquids onto planes for fear they may be ingredients to make an explosive. We search people for knives, nail files, belt buckles, and other items that could be used as a weapon; - But we will permit them to buy and detonate any amount of explosive devices on certain days.

We deplore ill-treatment of children, elderly people, mentally incapacitated and invalid persons, house-hold pets, and other animals; - But we will allow irresponsible and unthinking persons to drive them to distraction, and in some cases death, by terrifying them with a series of explosions; usually at night when the weakest are at their lowest ebb.

We will serve ASBOs on persons who regularly or frequently disturb the peace of their neighbours,
but we permit the organisers of the Edinburgh Tattoo to do this for almost the entire population of the city centre on every night of the week for three or four weeks.

39

Jock MacSprog,

06/11/2006 18:34:37

i thought this was an English holiday ? Why is it even being celebrated in Scotland if everyone is so hyped for independance ?

Just make fireworks illegal, they are in most of the USA. No need for them, its a stupid excuse to make trouble.

40

Alec,

York 06/11/2006 18:39:27

We had the same problem here in York on "Mischief" night with cars being set alight, buses being attacked and firefighters being attacked with rockets and other fireworks while dealing with the blazing cars. Why are today's youths incapable of thinking about anything but destruction?

I agree wholeheartedly with all those who say that the purchase of fireworks by members of the public should be banned. Organised displays are great (except for the embarrassing fiasco organised by the city council last year to celebrate the 400th anniversary of Guy Fawkes where they didn't tell the public where the display was being held) and provide spectacle for young and old alike. Banning the sale of fireworks would remove these lethal weapons from the armoury of cretins and would also mean we wouldn't have to tolerate the incessant racket at all hours of the day and night from the beginning of October until mid-December before starting again for the New year.

41

Brian1,

Dingwall 06/11/2006 18:48:25

What were firemen doing there? Shouldn't they be out handing out leaflets at a parade for rights for rainforest dolphins somewhere instead?

42

Hugh Jass,

Leith 06/11/2006 20:21:47

Round-up all the scumbag neds from Edinburgh,find an empty warehouse,and set the whole lot on fire....No more crime and a huge saving for the rest of us citizens(benefits,court expenses,prison expenses,etc)

43

Not a taxi lover.,

06/11/2006 20:40:11

Right on Janet!

44

JIM IN USA,

florida usa 06/11/2006 20:56:00

Bring back National Service it can only help. Maybe the birch would be good for the under age YOBS.

45

JW,

New Town Edinburgh 06/11/2006 22:38:26

Ban fireworks completely. Only public displays controlled by professionals should be allowed. We'll never stop the small minority of yobs otherwise. A neighbour had a large firework aimed at him on Sat night as he confronted a gang of young teenagers who were stealing his bike. Witnessing that convinced me there should be no fireworks available to any member of the public. As usual, the few ruin it for the majority but I'd rather sacrifice a bit of entertainment to have a safer city.

Come on councillors and MSPs, get the finger out. This year's stats show something drastic as to be done.

46

scotguy60,

Edinburgh 06/11/2006 22:50:10

We have a very strict control over the use of guns in this country - and thank goodness for that! However, we allow the sale of bombs to everyone including children. Yes, I am talking about fireworks!

I am not a killjoy nor do I want to be a part of the so called nanny state. However, enough is enough! Apart from the dreadful abuse to our emergency service personnel and the horrendous injuries caused by the irresponsible use of fireworks to humans and animals, we are all entitled to live our lives with a reasonable measure of peace and quite.

In the area where I live we have had to suffer the constant noise EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NIGHT since the fireworks went on sale on the 16th October. To me that is unacceptable.

47

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

niddrie mains 06/11/2006 23:21:24

Cassandra ye better watch oot hen in case a kaflik puts a firecracker up yer kilt, seeing the kafliks are being blamed for all the bonfires and fireworks,, now hen if ye had a brain ,that custom goes back to the druids long before guy fawkes day, which as you know is an English celebration, so gies us kafliks a break hen, look it up ,i widnea lie to a wee kaflik hating proddy like yoo, get a life hen,,

48

Diane,

07/11/2006 09:30:01

I'm not sure if we were just lucky this year, but there did not seem to be the war zone going on for days. Saturday night, there were a few loudish bangs and Sunday it started as around six and ended at eleven. Didn't even hear the usual siren wails.

I just wish the idiots who attack the emergency services when they are doing their jobs would use the little bit of brain they have, then they might see the consequences of their actions.

49

Jockyw,

Pilton 07/11/2006 10:44:00

The majority of calls come from ferry Rd and the Pilton area, just let the place burn down, best thing for it. If locals act like this then they don't deserve the fire service.

50

Graeme Davidson,

Leith 07/11/2006 11:05:52

When i read the headline in Mondays edition of the Evening News i was astonished. No - not by the news of Bonfire Night mayhem in the city - but by the fact that even in the light of these kind of repeated stories that the City Council continue to grant licences to several "makshift" firework shops that continually pop up in the city year after year.
Every year without fail we read of firecrews coming under attack, cats being killed or maimed, kids being hospitalised and old people being terrorised in their own homes - all in the name of "fun"!
Surely now after these headlines it is time for the City Council of Edinburgh to have the courage to stand up and be counted against all this 5th November madness. If Central Government won't act then let us act as a city and say enough is enough. Ban these entrepreneurs of terror, encourage correctly "policed" displays, liaise with local shops - including large supermarkets - and lobby for the banning of the domestic use of fireworks. It's the only way that this will stop.

51

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

niddrie mains 07/11/2006 12:57:49

well i see we have smoked yet another bigot from out of the woodwork,or should i say from under a rock ,Tavish??? you sound like a very bitter nasty wee man , who probably did'nt have any friends at school, but never mind son we can love you because our hearts are much bigger than yours, and we also forgive your anti catholic rantings, its funny how you cant rant against muslims in our community and yet its always open season against catholics, tell me Tavish why do you hate us so much??? it is of course your right to do so, but i am just curious, did we do you any harm in your poor pathetic wee life??? you can come to my hoose in niddrie Tavish and i will welcome you with open arms and gie you a good strong cuppa tea ,ok son ??? remember we luv ya,,,,,,,,,

52

Jock H. the Republic of Scotland,

niddrie mains 07/11/2006 13:01:10

PS Tavish you can bring Cassandra with you, i think we can have a good time together, ok son ???

53

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 07/11/2006 15:13:06

What the hell is happening to Scotland? Attacking firemen and firewomen who are trying to save live and property - especially the very valuable and historical property near Edinburgh Castle- shows that these lazy, layabout louts need to have the legal bookt thrown at them, forced to work for once in their sorry lives, and be forced to do community service under strict supervision so that they don't wnader off and cause more havoc and mayhem.

They should all be tested for illegal drugs, account for their source(s) of income - both legal and illegal - and show that they are raising their legitimate and illegitimate children according to accepted standards of healthy caregiving in Scotland.

It is disheartening to read a newsitem such as this one and show that if nothing is done the lunatics will take over the asylum.

The comment by #40 Brian was just ignorant, arrogant, and probably fueled by more than a few "wee drams". Get a life, you loser!

54

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 05/11/2008 02:16:50
there.is.no.way..you.would.get.away.with.it.here

 

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