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Published Date: 07 January 2008
TRADERS facing disruption from Edinburgh's trams works have hit out after being told some will miss out on compensation because they opened less than 21 months ago.
Shops and bars which were set up after April 2006 have discovered they are not eligible for compensation from trams firm TIE.

The cut-off date was agreed by the council and the city's Chamber of Commerce to coincide with the date the £498 million scheme won parliamentary approval. But traders said they would be hit just as hard as any others and that the trams were far from a done deal until only a few months ago.

However, TIE has hit back, saying businesses opening on Leith Walk in the last 18 months would have been aware of the prospect of disruption from the trams.

TIE is offering compensation of up to £4000 to the worst-hit businesses, on top of a rates rebate for which all businesses affected by the construction of the airport-to-Newhaven link can apply.

Mark Anderson, owner of Shore Sounds Music on Leith Walk's Crighton Place, said: "I opened in August 2006 and I am going to have as much disruption as the more established businesses on this street but I won't be able to get the compensation. I am losing thousands a month. We do a lot of guitar lessons and bookings are down. I think people are put off by the roadworks and worry about things like parking."

Publican Mike Christopherson criticised the cut-off date. One of his establishments, the Victoria Bar, will miss out as it opened in November 2006. Another of his pubs, Boda, 300 yards along the street, will qualify, as it opened in 2004. He said: "When we took on the Victoria in 2006 there was no way you could say the tram was definitely going ahead and even in May last year the SNP said they would get rid of them."

Work to move utility pipes and lay tramlines on Leith Walk began in August. The programme of tram roadworks will take more than three years to complete.

Graham Russell, chairman of the FSB Edinburgh branch, said: "Everyone is suffering the same level of disruption no matter how long they have been trading.

"In a dynamic trading area like Leith Walk I would imagine this will affect quite a lot of businesses that have come into the area."

Willie Gallagher, chairman of TIE Limited, said: "Those businesses opening on the route after April 1 2006 did so with the full knowledge of the tram project's approval and were therefore able to balance that in their decision making. It is right that businesses that did not have this opportunity be compensated."

Ron Hewitt, chief executive of Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "We worked long and hard to negotiate a scheme to protect retailers from the negative impacts of the tram scheme construction on business.

"To us it seems entirely reasonable to draw the line at those who started business along the line with the knowledge that the tram scheme was approved."

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  • Last Updated: 07 January 2008 12:59 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Dragonlord,

07/01/2008 12:57:13
Tie rip-off. Why does it not surprise me?
2

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 13:00:38
Is there anybody in Edinburgh living or working along the proposed tram routes who really wants them ?
3

James (1),

07/01/2008 13:34:35
#2 This is the big lie! We are fed this rubbish that the people of Edinburgh want this line. Total nonsense but still it goes ahead and to be truthful if I was getting a large brown envelope passed under the table, then I would also be for it.
Corrupt practice would describe this venture.
4

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 13:46:16
Wait until the damn thing is built and we have the first hard frost or snow-fall. Edinburgh will come to a grinding halt---even worse than it does at present.

The tram scheme is such a rediculous idea that it is beyond belief. Do they really expect to turn Edinburgh into a flat, open, sprawling city like Berlin or Warsaw overnight? Both of those cities have trams and they work well. Both of those cities have vast, wide boulevards and are built on flat ground. Edinburgh has narrow streets and is full of hills. If you can't see the difference, then go to your local primary school and put the question to the kids in any class. I'm sure they will enlighten you.
5

Jennifer R.,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 14:28:14
#2 I both live and work on the tram route and I want the tram. There was a survey in June that showed people in the Waterfront also want it - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/6762955.stm



6

CRAGman,

Capital city Edinburgh 07/01/2008 14:34:44
Bet you the first thing these businesses do when the tram is up and running is advertise how easy it is to get to them!
7

Leila,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 14:41:44
#6: Sorry Jennifer, but that's not true. The survey you mention was restricted to staff at Telford College and Scottish Gas - it was NOT a survey of waterfront residents.

And #7: it's Leith Walk the article is talking about: you know, the street with at least 8 frequent bus services - no problem to get to businesses there so how are trams going to make any difference? (well actually they'll make it harder because as we all know (don't we?) trams have far fewer stops.

I'm not arguing against improved transport links for the waterfront area but that didn't have to mean giving up 3/5ths of the road space through central Edinburgh including Leith Walk and Princes Street for the exclusive use of trams - it's going to be a disaster for anyone who isn't travelling on the tram route.

I just wish I knew why, defying all commonsense, Edinburgh Council has persisted in forcing this appalling scheme through.
8

Paul Voltaire,

07/01/2008 15:57:50
I certainly don't want the trams.
9

James (1),

07/01/2008 15:59:57
#8 How dare you show #6 out to be a liar!
This tram line has progressed on lies such as these and you have the front to expose them. I would suggest you revue the figures again until you can show that people want this tram line.
NEVER let the truth get in the way of propaganda.
10

barra,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 16:02:11
I remember the old trams......rubbish
11

alex patersons English teacher,

07/01/2008 16:31:57
11.
Can this revue take place on orange wednesday,its as simple as abc if you think about it.
12

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 07/01/2008 17:02:49
#5
I traveled on the trams in the late 40s and early 50s. These vehicles were able to cope with the 'hills' of Leith walk and The Mound. They also seemed to manage perfectly well in winter conditions.
13

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 07/01/2008 17:06:45
#9 The tram line will not go to the airport, but to Gogar,

Incorrect! The line will proceed west from Gogarburn with a stop at the Ingliston Park & Ride before proceeding to the airport terminus. The site at the Gogar Interchange is for a depot, not a terminus!
14

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 18:08:42
#14:

Yes, they would have been able to because they were driven by underground cables and were not dependant upon friction between the wheels and the rails.

The trams proposed nowadays are driven by their wheels and as such will be affected by weather-induced factors.
15

Toast,

07/01/2008 18:09:14
It will only go to the airport finances permitting,and as Edinburgh will be bankrupt by then and the Scottish executive will not bail them out,only a massive rise in local tax will finance it.
16

Miss Jean Brodie,

07/01/2008 18:27:52
Unnecissary transport modifications, driven by the big political lie, forced throo by the corporate scoundrel ! ha ha ha story of everything really! Stoap greetin and dinae use it !
17

madrab,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 19:06:13
Quite right, why should these failing businesses be compensated?

In addition to this any businesses situated along the tram route should face increased rates which should be used in turn to finance the cost of building and operating the tram line.

Poorly though out businesses fail everyday, you can't blame everything on the trams.
18

D Fiasco,

Walkerburn 07/01/2008 20:29:34
...and so it starts. Let the supreme bungle of 21st century Scotland begin!
19

Dr DoGood,

edinburgh 07/01/2008 22:05:54
mark anderson says buisness is down due to clients not being able to park due to road works,but what about when there are no roadworks you still can,t park for shopowners cars and vans that park all day.
20

Feenon,

Edinburgh 07/01/2008 22:51:44
Why on earth did the Chamber of Commerce agree with this dispicable 'deadline'?

I thought the Chamber was meant to support business - not a wee jokey train set!

Maybe time for Edinburgh business to think again about paying them?
21

Plantagenet,

07/01/2008 23:10:02
If the trams do go to the airport I do hope that they will not in any way put in danger the livelihoods of that fine, honest, upstanding body of men, the airport taxi drivers. I pray that their ability to make enormous salaries from their fares (approximately £20 a time to the city) will not be put in peril by a derisory one pound fare on a tram.
22

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 08/01/2008 02:43:16
the.old.trams./freezing.dirty.noisy.slow.got.stuck
23

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 08/01/2008 02:48:45
just.look.at.some.old.pics/THEY.WERE.BLOODY.TERRIBLE
24

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 08/01/2008 02:54:12
I,THINK.THE.CITY.IS.MAKING.A.HORRIBLE.MISTAKE
25

Miss Jean Brodie,

08/01/2008 09:33:43
Great for grafitti and late nite muggins
26

Smackhead,

08/01/2008 10:00:10
#2 The answer from me is yes, as both live here and on the route. Try and take the blinkers off and support something that once in place WILL benefit all. Except car drivers of course and who cares what they think?
#8 Whose coomonsense are you referring to? I see none in your comment :)
27

george shoulders,

edinburgh 08/01/2008 15:48:00
# 9 it does go the airport
http://www.tramsforedinburgh.com/
28

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 08/01/2008 15:51:37
There is a huge amount of anti tram feeling. The SNP rubber stamped this, when as an executive they could have stopped it, despite the voting of other parties.

Who will benifit, not business, not residents, not tourists. Perhaps just a few building companies and their mates.
29

Smackhead,

08/01/2008 19:21:08
HEY #26,27,28
You been on that Moose head beer all night canuck? Get with the times huh? Nothing wrong with the trams THEN OR NOW. Go kill a few more seal pups or something...
30

joppa jock,

Huntingdon 11/01/2008 17:08:50
i travelled on the trams until I was 19 when they were taken off. They may have been cold but they worked and normally came in the correct sequence. I remember the regulator standing at Pilrig to make sure they kept to their schedule. The islands were in the middle of the roads in Leith Walk but there were very few cars and other traffic to worry about. Many a pair of shoes were ruined by jumping off moving trams but I guess automatic doors will prevent that in future.

 

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