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Published Date: 27 June 2008
MOTORISTS have been warned to brace themselves for fresh delays as Leith Walk is to be made a one-way street on Monday as part of ongoing tram works.
The temporary move means traffic will be able to travel southbound on Leith Walk, but northbound vehicles will be diverted on to Easter Road.

The two-week project – which will allow engineers to divert utility services that cross the road rather t
han run along its length – will affect a section of Leith Walk between Dalmeny Street and Manderston Street. Tram firm TIE has brought forward the work to fit with the city's traditional trades holidays.

But this means the Leith Walk changes will be in place at the same time as an existing one-way system in place on Duke Street to accommodate utility work on Constitution Street. Bus and tram chiefs said efforts would be made to minimise delay.

But Alan Rudland, vice-chairman of the Leith Walk and Constitution Street Traders Association, said the one-way system would be another tough test for businesses in Leith.

He said: "We will lose half our passing trade with the road going down to one-way, and Easter Road is going to have half of the Leith Walk traffic as well as its own to contend with. "

Leith Walk has been one of the worst-affected streets during work on the £512 million tram line, with traders claiming they are losing thousand of pounds of business due to the disruption.

Bill Campbell, operations director for Lothian Buses, said: "Many of our bus services currently use Leith Walk and we also operate services on Easter Road.

"A closure of Leith Walk in either direction is bound to cause some disruption.

"We are, however, confident that with careful diversion planning, as has been achieved with the closure of Shandwick Place, we can minimise these delays."

In a bid to boost the flagging fortunes of businesses along Leith Walk, council officials are considering creating free parking spaces on council-owned land along the trams route.

Land at the former Leith tram garage and Leith Waterworld – both off Leith Walk near Manderston Street – are both under consideration.

Willie Gallagher, executive chairman of TIE, said: "The team have developed a programme that will ensure swift completion and keep disruption to a minimum.

"

There will be no change for pedestrian access to Leith Walk during the work, and parking and loading arrangements will be unchanged.





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  • Last Updated: 27 June 2008 1:26 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Concerned of Leith,

Leith 27/06/2008 13:43:23
How are the traders supposed to carry on their businesses when the official announcement for this work is given just two business days before the implementation. A major upheaval such as this can cause severe logistical problems for a small business!
2

20something,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 14:26:32
If 2 weeks of this is going to destroy a business it probably isn't worth keeping anyway.
3

Mr H 2u,

Embra 27/06/2008 14:54:09
Hello? Is it 1972? Trades holidays? Eejits.

And good luck finding information or maps abiut diversions on the TIE website. It's almost as if they don't want us to know.

So, seeing as how the Snooze couldn't be bothered telling you;
For 2 weeks from 30 June 2008, buses 7, 10, 14, 16, 22 from City only will be diverted from Leith Walk via: Dalmeny St, Easter Rd, Gordon St, Manderston St, to Foot of Leith Walk.

Existing diversions on other routes in Leith continue to apply
4

Scotish Exile,

27/06/2008 15:26:36
Remember, Edinburgh's open for business!

5

alex paterson,

edinburgh 27/06/2008 15:27:49
TIE a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree.
6

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27/06/2008 16:46:09
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7

Andrew,

27/06/2008 16:48:21
Hows about "One-Way" DOWN Leith Walk and "One-Way" UP Easter Road??
8

Concerned of Leith,

Leith 27/06/2008 16:58:31
Maps of the diversions have been posted on the Leith Walk & Constitution Street Traders' Association website: leithtraders.com
9

Clen Peapus,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 16:59:42
I work in Leith and pass "workers" carrying out tram works on a daily basis. Observing these "workers" I have noted that on the rare occasions that there is actual, visible work going on, it takes at least four men to do anything and, slightly voyeuristically, at least two of them are usually watching. One "worker" may be in a digger, or operating some other piece of machinery, but this doesn't appear to be obligatory.

There is certainly no chance of a strike in the utilities/road maintenance industry because working conditions are so favourable: do very little work; set your own deadlines; and have a break whenever you fancy.
10

Hermitage,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 18:14:58
Ah........that ever-so-useful word 'chaos'.

Where WOULD we be without it?
11

concerned resident 2,

Leith walk 27/06/2008 18:17:43
Where was the notice from TIE?
during the consultation it was clearly stated that traffic on Leith Walk would flow in both directions!
Why are they revisiting works that they have already filled...is it to fix the water leaks that have sprung up from faulty workmanship?
12

concerned resident 2,

27/06/2008 18:18:10
LIES LIES LIES LIES.
When will i get some sleep ?
When will the men in the holes actually do some work ...some of them bring camping chairs!
who is paying for all the newly developed potholes to be repaired?
why are the thought of the people of Edinburgh constantly being over ridden...is this some third world Junta council that will constantly allow business developments to ride slip shod over our rights to get some rest on a sunday morning.
13

concerned resident 2,

27/06/2008 18:19:10
Bet there are no councillors or TIE management/directors being woken up every morning with 35 minutes of drilling followed by no further work!
14

concerned resident 2,

27/06/2008 18:21:09
i am currently working on a series of action shots detailing the tram works....problem is tho, its hard to capture any work actually going on , so i have changed the working title to " a series depicting a gang of men standing besides holes looking menacingly at passers by ".
15

Andrew,

27/06/2008 18:48:43
"There's a hole in Leith Walk, dear driver, dear driver, there's a hole in Leith Walk, dear driver", a.......whole lot of holes! etc
16

Euan,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 19:40:16
TIE and all those associated with this disgraceful and shambolic project should all be feeling thorughly ashamed of themselves.

They are systematically destroying people's livelihoods, destroying our road systems, pouring hundreds of millions of pounds into a project nobody needs or wants, and all so they can say we have a tram line to supposedly impress tourists with.

Heads should roll, the incompetent and disrespectful Willie Gallagher's being the first.

This tram fiasco has gone far enough, it needs to cancelled NOW.


17

Think Tank,

27/06/2008 20:39:14
#3

"And good luck finding information or maps abiut diversions on the TIE website. It's almost as if they don't want us to know."

UNBELIEVABLE.

More anti-tram misinformed nonsense.

It's not hard for anyone with more than a solitary brain cell.

www.tramtime.com
"Construction Update" (not obvious enough for you?)
"Area Updates"- select "Leith Walk"

It's only been available for the last month.

Absolute ignorance of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING to do with the tram by those who pretend to be so educated as to why it's a "bad" thing for Edinburgh.

I'm embarrassed FOR you.

18

Dan.D.Nong,

27/06/2008 20:46:26
It would be nice if the workers took pride in what they are doing (not that I agree with the trams). Then you realise that the workers probably had no pride in embra growing up, so why have any now.
It's just a job. Pay is better than the dole and you don't have to work very hard either.
19

Jenny MacArthur,

27/06/2008 21:11:04
Wheeeeee - the EN prods them, and the anti-tram moaning whiners respond like wind-up automatons! Love their moronic negativity with not a positive idea between the lot of them. It's such a laugh! Thanks EN - keep up the good work.
20

Clen Peapus,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 22:01:50
Please enlighten us Jenny #19 as to the benefits of this wonderful tram system (sorry, tram line).

[Quotes from Trams for Edinburgh website - www.tramsforedinburgh.com]

“Business opportunities increase with improved access for customers and employees.”
Great for businesses in Leith, Town and the Gyle, only if their employees or customers are travelling from areas able to make use of the trams. Given the number of stories about small businesses struggling with the impact of tram construction works it would be nice to see quantifiable evidence of how trams will help small/medium businesses. Particularly those which are not close to a tram stop, and those which are not accessible by the tram system at all.

“Trams enhance the urban environment and generate civic pride.”
I’d love to know how a statement like this is supported. I can already imagine the civic pride generated by the overhead electrical cables the length of Leith Walk and Princes Street, through the West End. Doesn’t sound like an environmental enhancement. When I visited Prague recently their tram system didn’t strike me as particularly attractive or pride-inducing.


“Trams will be an attractive option for motorists, with car users likely to be attracted to tram travel. Research shows 20% of peak hour and 50% of weekend tram passengers in the UK previously travelled by car.”
Yes an attractive option if you need to travel from Leith to Princes Street, or Princes Street to the Gyle, or vice versa. If the existing reliable and frequent 22 service hasn’t attracted motorists out of the car, why will the tram system?


“Trams will encourage people to travel to the city centre. Dublin saw a rise of between 20% - 35% in pedestrian footfall figures on Grafton Street, the city’s main shopping thoroughfare, with some retailers reporting a 25% increase in trade.”
Just because this happened in Dublin why does this mean it will automatically happen here? Conversely the huge amount of disrupt
21

Clen Peapus,

Edinburgh 27/06/2008 22:04:32
...ion and restrictions caused by the tram system could drive car users to use out of town/free parking retail sites e.g. Ocean Terminal, Fort Kinnaird, The Gyle.


“Residential and commercial properties may see prices increase beside tram routes. In some cities with trams, house prices have risen by up to 15% and rental prices by up to 7%.”
Brilliant! Just what Edinburgh needs an increase in house prices and rental prices.


“As trams run on electricity, there will be no emissions from the vehicles themselves.”
Trams are not the only solution for a low/zero emissions transport system. Trolley bus systems can be powered by electrical overhead cables, in the same manner as trams. Edinburgh could have achieved a trolley bus system for a fraction of the cost, perhaps with hybrid engines allowing the buses to deviate from the overhead lines when necessary to avoid obstructions/road works.


“Trams will be accessible to everyone, with benefits of low level boardings at every stop and other easy to use features of particular help to the disabled and less mobile.”
Considering that there will be less tram stops than bus stops, comparing equivalent bus services i.e. the 22 service, I wonder how helpful this will be to the elderly and less mobile. They will potentially have further to travel at each end when using a tram. Again the service is only helpful if they live near the line and want to travel somewhere that the line passes through.


“Trams will be safe to use as, in addition to a driver, every tram will have a passenger attendant on board to check tickets, answer passenger queries and ensure no anti-social behaviour occurs.”
An attendant is a good idea, however this introduces an additional overhead which will be recouped through passenger fares. Also, attendants could be introduced on buses so are not a solution unique to trams.
22

Julian.,

edinburgh 27/06/2008 22:28:03
Clen Peapus,

Some nice arguments.

But on the point of attendants, the trams will carry 250 people compared to 80 on a bus so you would need 3 times as many attendants on buses.

And I think you missed one of their arguments...trams will be faster. Surely that will be the case.

On the point of Dublin, the question could be turned around. If it happened there, why should it not happen here?

Apart from that, you raise some good points. Personally I think the trams are a good idea but I think the jury's out on whether they're worth £512m.
23

Plantagenet,

27/06/2008 22:48:50
19. Jenny McArthur = a sad wind-up merchant, in a situation which is blindingly obvious to all that a massive financial mistake has been made by Edinburgh council in the introduction of the trams, she revels in looking down her nose at more sensible people who can see the folly of the trams fiasco. I have invited her in previous posts to enlighten on the positive aspects of the trams, to give me the benefit of her superior knowledge on the benefits of their introduction, I'm still waiting, I've got a feeling that Jenny is all talk and no substance and does not have a clue about what the benefits might be.
24

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27/06/2008 23:13:51
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25

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 00:32:10
#22 - Just taking a couple of your points:

Trams can carry more people than buses, except 2/3rds are standing. Also, the peak passenger capacity per hour with the trams is not hugely higher than for the 22 bus and overall lower when all services affected are taken into consideration.

The speed argument of trams is a blatant lie. (one of many by TIE) Trams are not faster than buses. They are actually slower than buses! The speed improvements come from a combination of dedicated off-road running, no driver ticketing and traffic priority measures. All of these could be introduced for regular buses at a fraction of the cost.

The argument about footfall in Grafton St is yet another piece of spin by TIE which does not stack up. One part of the Dublin tram line finishes at the top of Grafton St, therefore it is not a surprise that footfall is higher as that is where most people get on or off the tram. A comparison with Edinburgh would be if the tram farce terminated outside John Lewis. Would anybody then be surprised if John Lewis saw higher footfall with people getting on/off the tram?
26

Euan,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 00:50:55
#20 and #21, excellent posts.

You highlight very clearly many of the most fundamental flaws of this hairbrained project.

Julian's(#22)silly comments about trams being better than buses is totally irrelevant. There will simply not be 250 people per tram travelling in any one direction at one time, and even if there was, the destinations of these people are far better served by a bus as they would not have to get on a bus, get onto a tram and then get onto a bus again - come on, who is actually going to do this?

I, as well as the tens of thousands of local citizens who are opposed to this project are more than aware that we are seeing VAST amounts of taxpayers money being squandered before our very eyes on a daily basis.

This tram scheme is already the ball and chain around Edinburgh's neck and it will be dragging this City down in the decades to come.

Once completed, the tram line will be of little or no use to almost all of the people who reside in this City with the final costs being nothing more than a total and utter embarrasment to Scotland as a whole.

When we look back to see what really could have been achieved all over the country with the enormous sums of money that is being wasted on this farcical, disgraceful and quite frankly disrespectful project, we will all be shaking our heads in disbelief and anger.




27

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/06/2008 03:05:00
Graemeh,

Thanks for that. It's a pleasant change to have a debate on these forums without it getting personal.

My point about the 250 passengers was on the specific issue of the cost of having attendants raised by Clan P. In that it would cost 3 times as much to put them on buses. 1 attendant could cover up to 250 people on a tram but only up to 80 on a bus.

Which brings me on to your next point about speed. I have been asking for years why LRT buses do not move to a ticketless system and suspect this is the answer. We got rid of conductors 20 years ago because they were uneconomic, and this is why it cannot be done. With trams however it becomes economic to employ conductors/attendants and move to a ticketless system. So I suspect your assertion that the buses could go ticketless is wrong, otherwise LRT would have done it years ago.

As to the speed of the vehicles themselves are you sure trams aren't faster?

On Grafton Street, you may have a point. But it has been proven in wide ranging surveys that trams encourage more people onto public transport and discourage the use of cars compared to buses.
28

Julian.,

edinburgh 28/06/2008 03:12:42
Euan,

My point about 250 passengers was simply to do with the economics of having attendants on board. And yes, trams will not always have 250 passengers on board just like buses don't always have 80 on them. But I bet you the trams are full to capacity between 7am and 9:30am and 4pm to 7pm. And I bet they're more than 50% full the rest of the time. We shall see in May 2011.

As for buses being better as a direct route, where is your proof that services which don't go the same places as the tram are going to be cut? Once again, I bet there will be no cuts.
29

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Tram City 28/06/2008 09:26:17
Leith traders,take your holidays now and stop whinging.you have been having a cosy time for years.Time to smell the coffee
30

penicuik pirate,

penicuik 28/06/2008 09:35:25
since when did they convert leith walk to driving on the right? the map on page 9 clearly shows traffic going up and down leith walk on the righthand side.this to help our european visitors over the summer?
31

Euan,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 13:27:13
No.33

That is quite probably one of the most disrespectful posts ever seen on the Scotsman website.

You should hang your head in shame, you ignoramus.
32

Euan,

Edinburgh 28/06/2008 13:27:39
No.33

That is quite probably one of the most disrespectful posts ever seen on the Scotsman website.

You should hang your head in shame, you ignoramus.
33

shiftyworker,

30/06/2008 15:04:14
"The temporary move means traffic will be able to travel southbound on Leith Walk, but northbound vehicles will be diverted on to Easter Road"

Guess how I found this out? At 7 am this morning when it started of course! 47 noisy buses an hour, around 800 per day, will be coming along Dalmeny Street (that's the one with the kiddies play park) for the next two weeks, oh joy.

It isn't good for business, but neither is it good for residents. Shop owners can go home at the end of the day, but if you live here, the noise and disruption is constant. I want to know: who is responsible for keeping us informed about these (virtually overnight) changes? A little warning would be appreciated to lessen the shock, but someone obviously couldn't be bothered, or forgot to even think about residents.

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Trams WILL be slower than our brilliant buses, don't forget those 250 people still have to get on and off, not to mention the fact they will all have to be standing in the middle of the road to do so.
34

unamused Dalmeny St. resident,

01/07/2008 14:18:29
Well we definitely know that the big wigs in charge of this catastrophe do not live in the Leith Area – if they did this would not be happening.

The news of all traffic being diverted along Dalmeny Street has hit residents hard. As if this street was not bad enough for residents we now have at least 5x more traffic coming along it. At 5 o'clock you cannot even enter the street from Leith Walk as it too busy. The widened pavement across from a main bus stop is the culprit for the majority of the queues here as when every single bus stops so does the traffic.

Where was for pre-warning of this?? Residents cannot get their cars in or out of parking spaces due to traffic queues, car windows have been smashed & residents abused all due to more pedestrian traffic. We cannot even let our children cross the road or go to our park safely due to traffic. When will it end!!

Where is our compensation!! Where was the PR for public consultations regarding this??

Leith was a great place before the tram work. Is it really necessary?? Will it really help Edinburgh???
35

unamused Dalmeny St. resident,

01/07/2008 14:31:40
Just to let people know that the trams are great in a big city i just don't know if Edinburgh's streets can cope with them. Especially as we have so many rules for drivers. I have been to Amsterdam where they have trams, cyclists and very few cars (with the exception of taxis) and they work brilliantly there but here...

We should never have taken them away in the first place.

And to answer everyones question: NO THE WORKMEN ARE NOT DOING ANY WORK (Well not in a hurry) They spend there days whistling to young girls in the street and talking on their mobiles or poping to the pub for an extra long drinking break (oops sorry i meant lunch break. But lets be fair why would they hurry!! The longer they spin this work out for - the longer they have a semi-permenant job and wages coming in.

Hey Willie give the workers an incentive - BONUS for work done on time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

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