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Published Date: 12 January 2008
TRADERS have forced tram chiefs into a U-turn over compensation for disruption caused by roadworks for the scheme.
Previously, shops, bars and restaurants along the tram route which opened after April 2006 were not eligible for the £4000 payouts.

The cut-off point – agreed by the council and Edinburgh's Chamber of Commerce – was set at the date the £498 million trams scheme won parliamentary approval. But angry traders, led by the Federation of Small Business, argued this was unfair on newcomers and that the trams were only given the final go-ahead last year.

Now the local authority and tram firm TIE have agreed a deal to move the cut-off date forward to February 2008 – a change of heart which has delighted business groups and politicians alike.

Councillor Tom Buchanan, the city's economic development leader, said: "We want to be a council known for being fair and considerate to all businesses, so we have decided to widen the dates.

"Businesses open before February 1 will now be eligible to apply and this date is the final cut-off point. I am grateful to colleagues within TIE for being understanding in our desire to make these changes."

All businesses affected by the tram roadworks – which are currently ongoing on Leith Walk – are also eligible for an average 20 per cent reduction in their business rates. TIE also has a separate "top-up" fund for firms suffering severe financial problems.

Graham Russell, chairman of the FSB Edinburgh branch, said: "I am delighted – this U-turn by TIE is a total victory for the FSB.

"The cut-off date was completely unfair and I was disappointed that other business groups in the city could not see this.

"We must acknowledge the role of Tom Buchanan in this. He has pushed it along and we have now finally reached a sensible compromise."

Graham Bell, spokesman for the Edinburgh Chamber of Commerce, said: "We know the three different schemes do not reflect the total cost of disruption, but TIE and the council always said they would be willing to change things as we went along.

"This is reflected in what has been agreed, and I think the new date will enable TIE to help the few people who are affected by this."

It was revealed this week that Shandwick Place is to close for five months from next month. All westbound traffic will be diverted up Lothian Road and on to the West Approach Road.

Cars and buses heading east from Haymarket will be re-routed along Melville Street, and then on to George Street or Queen Street.

Roadworks will also take place on Princes Street – which will be reduced to one lane in each direction – and on St Andrew Square.

City leader Jenny Dawe said: "Trams will be a huge asset to the city, but we recognise that there will be some short-term pain.

"That is why so much effort is being spent on initiatives to support businesses and the city through the construction process.

"Widening the eligibility dates for the business support scheme is another way of showing that we are listening, and that we care about businesses both large and small."

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  • Last Updated: 15 January 2008 10:04 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Andrew Kent,

EDINBURGH 12/01/2008 13:11:25
Please could everyone who is complaining about the tram take 5 minutes to write an email to those people on the Council and in the Scottish parliament who are supposed to represent their public.

http://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/internet/Council/Council_Business/councillor_database/CEC_find_your_local_councillor

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/msp/membersPages/index.htm

I have already written to my representatives and if you want to help STOP the tram this is the best way to do it!

Thanks!!
2

alex paterson,

embra 12/01/2008 13:13:34
Tom Buchanans Christmas gift to traders with a U-turn can only been seen as fair,well done.
3

Gilbie's Boy,

12/01/2008 13:31:25
Good grief - I go abroad for a couple of weeks hols (to relatives) and Edinburgh goes nuts.

So let me see if I understand this - if I opened a business AFTER knowing that it would suffer financially because of widely known and publiscised construction work, I should receive compensation?

Madness - total madness.
4

Euan,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 13:38:14
#1

All done - again.

The sooner this madness stops, the better.

We all need to try and halt this idiotic tram project before the fine City we live in is scarred permanently.
5

Ian Ross,

More Money Wasted 12/01/2008 13:54:52
Unbelieveble. The traders knew this work was going to affect their business, yet still they will be inconvenienced. The gravy train is unstoppable. And all for something the majority don't want or need.
6

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 16:23:53
#1 - done it already, several times. I live in a part of Embra that - like most of the City - will suffer years of major disruption to bus services for absolutely no benefit whatever. All that comes back from the clowns is meaningless, 'world-class' spin and hyperbole that could have come straight from the pages of TIE's 'Bumper Book of Bullsh*t". Step forward, Councillor Jason Rust and David 'Taxi' McLetchie, MSP. Roll on the next election! Alastair Darling, who as Minister of English Transport pulled the plug on several similarly hopeless schemes down south just says it's Nothing to Do With Him!!
7

Bob 2,

12/01/2008 17:48:33
NO 7 .....don't think that the trams are running on solar power......they'll be powered by electricty..either gas or coal - both pollution...
....then theres nuclear...and the storage problems.

Never mind the contribution to Global Warming that the tram works will be creating during the construction of the line and after the line......With all the congestion that will be causeed.....ie the west end shut for at least 5 months...........

Hopefully TIE has a big purse for all the compensation claims that will be heading there way from the big Princes Street traders...M&S will have good laywers for suing TIE.

.....Who wants to spend 2 hours getting to the city centre?
8

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 12/01/2008 23:57:46
Will these parasites be paying these grants back when the start making a fortune because they are situated on the tram route? Of course not.
And for the ill-informed nimbys in denial - look at the enormous success of the Manchester tram, where properties and businesses along the routes have enjoyed massive growth.
9

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 11:39:56
The point is they can't have the arguement both ways: If you accept that that tram will ultimately benefit the businesses along its route, then why the hell are we paying them compensation. The same people whining about the cost of the tram are also the same people campaigning to throw public money away in this manner - its kafkaesque.
10

Bob 2,

13/01/2008 12:44:02
no12....£500m of Scottish Taxpayers money for one line that will benefit 9% of the population and leave everyone else with a LONGER BUS JOURNEYS.

Edinburgh Council and its Predecessors have squandered millions on plans over the years that have came to nothing. Glossy Plans were printed in 1988.

They spend millions a couple of years ago on the City Centre scheme,now being dug up.
Prior to that, they widened the pavements on Princes Street to make them more pedestrian friendly.

And what are they doing, reducing the width of the Pavements, the trams we are told will increase the number of people coming to the city centre.
SO were will all these thousand of extra People walk once the pavements are reduced in width.

It does nothing to reduce the congestion caused by commuters.

Common Sense would have seen a line from east to West , built next to park and ride sites, encouraging people to leave there cars and use the tram.

Commuter Traffic from outside Edinburgh causes the majority of congestion in Edinburgh, take a look at the m9/a8/a71/a90 any morning....tail to tail cars (80% empty)

The A1 is heading the same way.
11

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 13:54:36
#13 - there is much in what you say, but its off topic. Whilst broadly supporting the principle of having a tram system I too am disappointed by many aspects of this scheme. But, its happening now and that element of the debate is irrelevant.

The question posed by this article is whether we should be handing over taxpayers cash to businesses that will ultimately benefit from the trams. I strongly believe that they are cashing in on bad PR, at the taxpayer's expense.

Of course the hardcore anti-tram brigade are viewing this decision as a victory, but they are too blinkered to realise that it is a totally pyrrhic victory: Its just raising the costs of the scheme and diverting funds away from building the project.


12

Bob 2,

13/01/2008 14:14:01
no14..about half of this article talks about the compensation.

the rest of the article talks about the tramworks, that we have been misled on.

Cllrs appear to be more interested in businesses, but rough to the bus commuter. Princes street single lane, west end closed of for half the year.
How will many businesses operate when there staff are consistently late for work.
ie someone traveling on the x26 from the east side of Edinburgh to gogarbank.

Yip the trams are happening, we will wait and see what effect they will have on the majority of bus users.

Lothian Buses will not be winning any awards in 2007 for best bus company.
13

Bob 2,

13/01/2008 14:14:11
no14..about half of this article talks about the compensation.

the rest of the article talks about the tramworks, that we have been misled on.

Cllrs appear to be more interested in businesses, but rough to the bus commuter. Princes street single lane, west end closed of for half the year.
How will many businesses operate when there staff are consistently late for work.
ie someone traveling on the x26 from the east side of Edinburgh to gogarbank.

Yip the trams are happening, we will wait and see what effect they will have on the majority of bus users.

Lothian Buses will not be winning any awards in 2008 for best bus company
14

Leila,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 18:32:45
Chris.J.: could you please explain exactly how the tramline will benefit businesses along its route, since obviously people need to be on foot at the time of using those businesses. Take for example Leith Walk: extremely well served at present by a number of frequent bus services which stop at regular intervals along the Walk. Now think of when there will be only 3 bus services and trams (one every 10 minutes) which will only stop ONCE along the Walk. Well maybe the businesses around the single tram stop will benefit, but only at the expense of the others since I can't see how any more people are going to travel to Leith Walk than do at present; and I can't see how any business which is nowhere near a tram stop is going to receive any advantage from trams.
15

Chris.J,

Edinburgh 13/01/2008 19:59:41
#17. Firstly the assertion that there is only one stop is a gross misrepresentation: There will be 4 along that section of the route (Picardy Place, MacDonald Road, Balfour Street and Foot of the Walk) which isn't that far from the present layout of principal bus stops.
Secondly the trams will have a far higher capacity than buses. There's something about the travelling experience offered by trams and light rail that attracts people that wouldn't normally consider public transport.
Thirdly the experiences of towns such as Manchester, Dublin and Nottingham - Manchester having the longest established system - show that urban regeneration flourishes along the tram route. Tell a Mancunion about the Edinburgh nimbys' objections and they stare in disbelief: Did you know that 30,000 of them marched in protest when Alistair Darling tried to scrap a key expansion scheme?
Finally, as I said before, this scheme has some flaws - but its happening and it will be an improvement.
16

Bob 2,

13/01/2008 22:15:10
the biggest laugh is the way that the Council Describe the diversion, you'd think they were closing some side street

Buses will travel up lothian road along the western approach road and out at Haymarket....but they fail to explain how this small stretch of road will cope with
all west bound services
west bound buses to west lothian
glasgow bound buses
buses going to the airport - leave the day before if you want to get your flight on time
Tough to all the passengers who will be sitting in a queue of buses for hours.
Would hate to live in the far reaches of West Lothian.


The Council website can't even get the diversion advice right

the website states " Therefore westbound buses from Gorgie, Dalry, Corstorphine and the A8 will be diverted along Manor Place, Melville Street, Queensferry Street, Charlotte Square, South Charlotte Street and on to Princes Street" scary that the Highways dept don't know there west from East
So westbound buses will be going round in a circle all day, based on this advice
17

James (1),

14/01/2008 00:44:31
So they (TIE)had in place a condition about who gets paid but then changes its mind and pays out. So where is this money coming from? Oh yes, you and me!
Keep spending TIE, I have an abundance of money and nothing to spend it on. Why not up this compensation to £5000, no £6000. Seems fair after all its not your money so what to do you care?
18

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2008 01:05:12
rs # 8... or is it Bob2 #9

Wrong my friend(s).
(1) Trams will reduce pollution on our city streets. Better to have the pollution coming out of some remote power station than onto our streets.

(2) 10% of our electricity comes from renewables rising to 40% by 2020. 30% comes from nuclear. So, a mere 8 years after trams are up and running 70% of the electricity will be generated from sources which do not pollute the atmosphere.

I'll take that over buses spewing out diesel fumes anyday.
19

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2008 01:25:03
rs, # 20

Oh my God. Not one stop on York Place. One thing you forgot to mention; it only travels one block along York Place and there are stops just before (Picardy Place) and just after (St Andrew Square).

Ok, so there will be less stops than buses but that's one of the things that's going to speed up journey times.
20

Julian,

EDINBURGH 14/01/2008 15:12:23
rs,

OK, agreed. 2 blocks, but pretty short blocks at that. As for the disabled, why don't we just have a stop every 20 yards? There has to be a balance. By putting the stops further apart it speeds the whole thing up. For those disabled who can't go more than a hundred yards there's always the buses.

 

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