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Published Date: 16 April 2008
TWO West End traders today claimed to have become the first victims of Edinburgh's trams work after deciding to sell-up.
Cockburns Deli and the Phone-In telecoms store, both on Queensferry Street, have put their leases up for sale, blaming plummeting trade as a result of the Shandwick Place closure.

Other businesses in the area have reported staff cuts and losses of up to 50 per cent.

But both trams firm TIE and business leaders today suggested the losses could not be blamed entirely on the tram roadworks.

Cockburns owner Iona Ritchie claims to have been struggling to make ends meet after taking a reported 20 per cent hit to her takings since the work began.

Phone In manager Atif Pasha, meanwhile, claims losses of up to £3000 a week have forced him to seek relocation after almost 20 years.

Mrs Ritchie put her property on the market yesterday before leaving for France for a short break, leaving daughter Sarah Cockburn, 28, to hold the fort.

Ms Cockburn said today the trams work had been a "disaster" for them. She said: "We tried cutting staff hours to make ends meet but it's no good – we still have rates and stock to pay. I've worked here for almost four-and-a-half years so I'll be sad to see it go.

"Mum's going to do office work, while I hope to go to university."

Phone In has been trading from the same site since 1989, and is one of the longest-standing independent telecoms retailers in Edinburgh.

Mr Pasha said: "We used to do around £5000 on an average week, but now we're taking in around £2500.

"We don't feel secure in this area so we were forced to put the To Let board up, but the way things are going, it could be years before someone takes the lease."

Joshua Miller, director of Charlie Miller hairdressers and vice-chairman of the West End Traders Association, however, said there was more behind the current losses than just the trams.

He added: "The uncertainty in the economy has led to people being more discerning with their pound. You also have to factor in early Easter holidays and the cold, wet weather at home."

A TIE spokesman also suggested the losses were more complex, but would not comment on "unverified figures and claims".

TIE has urged traders to be patient, promising that their support measures would see results.

He added: "The scheme offers support, not compensation. A compensation scheme would involve costly investigative activity that would be a burden on resources for both TIE and the businesses in assessing and verifying losses.

"The Small Business Support Scheme put in place seeks to support as many businesses as possible across Edinburgh. We believe that the rules established for this scheme do just that.

"The scheme is unique, offering unprecedented support when compared with other cities that have invested in trams.

"Its recent extension, to include side streets and other businesses, has added an extra 200 businesses to those that are eligible."


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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 12:01:38
It's all very well for TIE to tell traders to 'be patient' - what a insult.

TIE view these businesses as nothing more than collateral damage.

To HELL with them as long as the tram LINE gets built.

The whole project should be scrapped NOW before we see more hard-working local citizens forced out of business.
2

Bob 2,

16/04/2008 12:03:22
Pure Coincidence, NOT, The EN has reported a number of businesses at the West End have lost trade since the Tramworks started, but of course TIE would say its got nothing to do with them.

Phone In has been there 20 years, so it more than Coincidence.

But its not TIEs fault
3

P I Staker,

16/04/2008 12:09:39
"...A TIE spokesman also suggested the losses were more complex, but would not comment..." Huh, is the phrase not 'put up or shut up'? How much does the guy from TIE know about running a business, its easy to hide behind half wit comments like his, not giving any reasoned explanation.
4

Voice of reason,

EDINBURGH 16/04/2008 12:18:14
But how many businesses are gaining because custom is going elsewhere ?
5

eric,

Lothian 16/04/2008 12:19:59
Turns out Mr Farrells Article was Hype after all !
6

Euan,

16/04/2008 12:22:15
TIE can go on all they want about their compensation scheme, but let's look at the figures involved here.

Mr Pasha of Phone In said he was taking in around £5,000 a week before the tram works started, now he's doing around £2,500 a week - a 50% drop.

Even taking into account the fact that fewer people may be spending less just now(let's put a figure of say £500 a week)that means he is STILL £2,000 out of pocket as a result of the trams - per week!

How exactly is £4,000 compansation going to help this businessman?

Oh sorry, it will keep his shop open for another TWO WEEKS.

All those at TIE and those who pushed this shambolic tram project through should be feeling thouroughly ashamed of themselves.

7

Some guy,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 12:24:55
The transport situation in Edinburgh has always baffled me. I mean are people up here just lazier than folks from Glasgow or Ayr?
In those places there's something like 1/2 the bus stops there is in edinburgh, people will quite gladly get off a bus and walk half the length of the High street or from the bus station down to buchanan street to get to the shops, those shops encourage people to want to go there instead of just relying on passing trade.
In Edinburgh one street closes to traffic forcing people to walk an extra 200m to the shops and all of a sudden those shops go out of business. Look at buchanan street, 2 subway stops, no bus stops and look at the amount of people that WALK to the area.
8

Nai,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 12:34:34
Well said, Some guy.
9

AdamKC666,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 12:34:44
Sounds like they are trying it on. Should be more people passing if buses are stopping on Melville Street and walk up/down Queensferry Street to get to bus stops. Prolly people just not buying things at the moment especially mobile phone accessory tat.
10

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 16/04/2008 12:57:47
They just using the trams as an excuse. There more to this.

I'd tell them to pull the other leg its got bells on it.

Probably think they will get money out of council as compensation rather than close at normal time when they get nought.

All I say to them is Cheerio!!
11

Euan,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 13:03:19
#10

I'd like to see your reaction if it was YOUR business that was suffering.

All the whining in the world I would imagine..
12

Duncan in Edinburgh,

16/04/2008 13:06:29
If the phone shop was took £5,000 the week before the roadworks started, and £2,500 the week after, then fair enough. But it wasn't, was it, Mr Pasha. Independent phone retailers have been losing out to chains for a long time now.

This is just another version of the smoking ban closing pubs. Only business that were already marginal will be closed.
13

scotsol,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 13:13:22
More knee-jerk anti-tram rubbish. Why should the closure of Shandwick Place affect businesses in Queensferry Street? You've not been able to drive from one to the other for years and you can still walk just as well. And why aren't all the other busineses there closing?
14

ValdasTheMan,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 13:17:31
Business Owner "Hello, is that the EEN"
EEN "Yes
BO "Hi, I have a business in the West End which has been suffering over the last few months. I think it is mostly due to the credit crunch, but there have been road works at the end of the street. How about doing an article on how these road works are ruining our business. I'll even throw in a sandwich and coffee"
EEN "Be there in 20 mins, I'll have an All Day Breakfast with a Double ChocLatte"

When times get tight, Deli's and Mobile Phone companies are in the group of businesses that will feel the pinch first.

Where does the main business come from for a city centre Deli, answer, nearby offices. How do people get there, answer, on foot. How do road works prohibit somebody on foot walking 100-200 yards for a lunchtime sandwich. Answer f**k all.

Mr EEN, I hear the saunas are struggling due to the increase in prices for oil. Think you need to investigate.

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Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 16/04/2008 13:17:33
#11 - not at all - I AM a business owner. As one you have to be on the ball at all times to current changes in market and knowing your customers. People have choices and with current times you have to be even more on the ball to survive.

But these two people in my opinion are making excuses. As a delicatesan I would have thought she could have made attempts to sell 'workman break ' items. As for Mr Pasha, his shop has been on a downward for a long time.

We don't have a divine right for our businesses to be successful we have to make them that and if we don't then jump off.

So please its not whining its fact!
16

Council Insider,

Waiting For The Tram At The Gyle 16/04/2008 13:21:18
Euan, You don't like Trams do you. Like it or not they are coming and you can't stop them. It's great news for me as I live at the Gyle so they can't come soon enough as far as I am concerned. Am I bothered about some shops going out of business. Nah! It's a dog eat dog world out there. I'd blame the credit crunch but then it's too easy for you and your friends to point fingers at the big bad tram scheme.
17

Haggishead,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 13:23:20
I agree with 12 and 7. I was a bus driver (LRT) for thirty three years you hardly got out of second gear in some streets even the dogs had longer walks. But one doesn't like to see anyone losing their livihood no matter what the reason and like all road works where was the workers in Shandwick Place it was more like a car park for their vechicles.
18

gotalottosay,

east lothian 16/04/2008 13:44:38
I know it must be hellish for business owners in the area BUT and just BUT could this be an excuse for some business to say they are affected. I agree with some of you that these type of businesses would be affected in lean times and I am a wee bit suspicious too.
19

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 16/04/2008 14:45:58
#19 it more than suspicious as said before.

what business person goes off to France for a break if your business is not good!!

I repeat what I said in 16.
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Hamish B,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 14:51:54
"Phone In has been trading from the same site since 1989, and is one of the longest-standing independent telecoms retailers in Edinburgh.

Mr Pasha said: "We used to do around £5000 on an average week, but now we're taking in around £2500."


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Theyt have been there since 1989 and they still have absolutely ancient signs saying ONE 2 AND CELLNET- THIS IS THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY ARE GOING DOWN THE DUMPS. THEY CAN'T EVEN KEEP UP WITH THE TIMES.ONE 2 ONE AND CELLNET CHANGED TO O2 ND T MOBILE MORE THAN 5 YEARS AGO. ABOUT TIME THEY KEPT UP WITH THE INDUSTRY. THEIR WEBSITE IS A JOKE TOO. OBVIOUSLY THEIR BUSINESS IS GOING TO FALL FLAT. MUPPETS
21

PaulB,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 14:53:02
I work in the west end, not far from Queensferry Street, and since the closure of Shandwick Place, there are a lot more people using Queensferry Street than previously - walking to and from Melville Street where the buses are stopping. it is a shame the businesses have closed, but lack of customers cannot be the reason. Why must the tram works always be to blame for everything according to the EEN?
22

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16/04/2008 15:09:28
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Axl,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 16:08:18
Yes, yes, all the scepticism from many of the posters above is simply aimed at the phone shop owner and are trying to imply that he is lying about his takings etc

The facts are that Edinburgh does not need a tram line and the closures of certain streets around the Capital are indeed having a severe inpact on many businesses takings.

As post #1 says, TIE view the almost certain closure of a number of businesses during the tram line construction as 'collateral damage'.

I'm just praying the whole thing runs out of money and never reaches completion.









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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 16:19:02
Totally agree with #24.

If the trams were free rather than costing £500 million, £800 million or whatever, I still wouldn't take them as a gift.

25

Richard Head,

16/04/2008 16:35:35
Shops go out of business all the time.
The trams are an easy target for the blame.
26

Duncan in Edinburgh,

16/04/2008 16:41:44
#24 When you say "The facts are", do you actually mean "Here's where I'm going to start banging on about how much I don't like the trams"?

We are making an omelette. Eggs will be broken. At the end we can all have our omelette and you'll find that it is very fluffy. [This analogy needs work - Mario, help?]
27

PaulB,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 16:50:04
28 / 28 - love the analogies- keep up the good work!Other businesses have closed in the west end / Shandwick Place way before the changes to the road systems and the more recent Shandwick Place closure. bad things happen to good people. But the city is still open for business! It will all be worth it in a couple of years time. Then the businesss community will flourish!
28

Angus R,

16/04/2008 16:54:38
£5k a week floggin mobile phones? i'm in the wrong business.
29

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 16:58:12
#31, > It will all be worth it in a couple of years time. <

How do you work that out?
30

jdships,

16/04/2008 17:34:47
PaulB,Edinburgh

From the people I know who work/live in the Queensferry Street/ Shandwick Place area I don't think the TIE work is making a great deal of difference to daily life in the area.
However do not quite understand your statement

" It will all be worth it in a couple of years time. Then the businesss community will flourish! "

Pray tell !!!!!!!
31

me150,

16/04/2008 17:36:10
The cost of progress.

It is sad that this happens but it does.

The small man cannot stand in the way of progress. Progress has its costs but it will make Edinburgh a better place.
32

Euan,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 17:51:12
#36

I just cannot agree with you that a tram line which will probably end up costing the best part of a billion quid(if the extra funding can be found, because it will be needed)and then serve such a small percentage of Edinburgh's population can be called 'progress'.

I call it a waste.
33

Brian M,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 17:55:19
Mr Pasha said: "We used to do around £5000 on an average week"

When was that? Was it over a year, a month, a fortnight at christmas time? I wonder what actually was his average week over one year.
34

Rod,

Champfleurie Estate 16/04/2008 18:00:29
#26 Mario
3) Maybe this womans baps werent up to scratch.

Perhaps we could arrange a hands-on examination to test your thesis.
35

Smackhead,

Edin 16/04/2008 18:38:54
#25 Just as well no one is asking for you to take them then eh?
These shops were pants anyway. I work in the area and never used them. Way to expensive and you can get cheaper elsewhere. THATS why these dumps are closing so stop tram bashing dopes.
36

Smackhead,

Edin 16/04/2008 18:50:19
#24 Dream on moaner. They are here to stay LOL!! Get used to it.
37

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 16/04/2008 19:23:43
#44, > #24 Dream on moaner. They are here to stay LOL!! Get used to it. <

They haven't arrived yet. With luck the money will run out and we won't have to put up with them - although they'll probably bankrupt the city in the process.
38

Smackhead,

Edin 16/04/2008 19:36:23
#45
Oh they WILL be here. Have no doubt on that lad. The Council tax I pay I would rather they went on trams than non existent services! You ever think about that one? Guessed not.
39

AB_R,

16/04/2008 19:54:49
Can we just get this straight once and for all, the trams may look new and flashy, but the technology driving them is centuries old. The trams were removed from the streets of Edinburgh because they were inflexible and that has not changed.

However, the tram line is being built. And, what I want to know is what bus services will be affected. I want to know in advance, what I will need to do to get to my place of work. I want to know now, how I get to the gym.

I am sick fed up of all the lies we, the council and the Scottish Executive have been told by TIE.
40

AB_R,

16/04/2008 19:55:23
#46, what non-existent services are you waffling on about?
41

Smackhead,

Edin 16/04/2008 20:21:07
#47
Can we leave the history lesson behind us please? Trams have moved on since the days when you were born.
#48
What SERVICES that are worth the Council Tax charge that I pay are you waffling on about son? None I see....
42

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/04/2008 09:13:08
#43 I have to put my hands up and admit that wasn't the most grammatical sentence I ever was type.
43

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 10:47:22
Sorry to hear that people are losing their livelihoods due to the forced introduction of trams.

I hope that the tram scheme is a total failure and that it ruins Edinburgh in the process. The electorate should remember that this nightmare is down to the now defunct arrogant Labour Council and we should never vote for them again.

44

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 17/04/2008 10:52:40
Back to the subject - they both at it trying to get an easy way out of business and paid compensation.

Both have no idea about business. Trams just an excuse. More people walking in Queensferry street now because of road works! so pull the other leg for another excuse.

One whose figures don't add up and has made no attempt to change with the times. Shop still same and items long past selling time. Economic climate we don't need a phone every day.

Delecatsan lady - well what can you say. If your business is not doing well you don't swan off to France for a break! She doesn't know her customers or her prices are wrong.

Again no sympathy for lack of business skills or apparent lack of passion from these shops. So Cheerio to them both
45

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/04/2008 17:39:07
#53 Apart from the complete lack of evidence that anyone is losing their livelihood as a result of the introduction of trams, and the fact that the trams weren't forced on us but voted for by the people we voted to elect to the council, and the fact that the decision to proceed was made by the Lib Dem/SNP administration in Edinburgh together with the Scottish Parliament, I can't believe you are actually wishing our city such harm.
46

Boring comment detective,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 17:57:30
#53
You are either very stupid or simply a wind up merchant. #55 is spot on. The ball was kicked off by a LAbour administratione but very much voted FOR and continued by an SNP/Lib administration. Parliament passed it too and who is power? You got it SNP! So Peter get the facts right before you spew your load out here.
47

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 19:38:09
#56. SNP could have turned it down after the MSPs voted, but they bottled it in wake of a threat of a vote of non confidence.

The trams will be proved to be Edinburgh 2nd disgrace. huge waste of money that will herald road tolls in the city due to congestion they are designed to create. This is their main purpose.
48

Boring comment detective,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 20:53:55
#57
Well your simply confriming what I have said already. Cant go with you on the fact that the trams are bad. I am for them. Road tolls sound good to me. Less cars on roads the better.
49

Vivas,

Edinburgh 17/04/2008 22:52:43
I pass that street twice a day. Cockburns always looks perpetually empty to me. However there are numerous other competitors round there - sitin&takeaway deli,coffee,sandwich places, that all seem to attract more custom.

Plus theres a Greggs opposite. They will be the last man standing - nay prospering - when all the poncified food outlets have gone chest up.

Its economic and gastromomic Darwinism, out there...those that are going to fail were heading for the dustbin anyway.


 

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