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Published Date: 29 January 2009
HEADTEACHERS across the Capital are refusing to identify any more cuts in their budgets in an effort to protect teachers' jobs.
The heads have banded together to form a united front after being asked to find savings of up to two per cent – around £100,000 at an average-sized high school.

They feel the only way they can do this is to cut jobs so they have refused a council request to identify potential savings. The move means the local authority is likely to press ahead with the alternative of finding cuts from the central education budget, including turning down heating in classrooms and getting rid of 3000 computers.

The protest is understood to include all the 23 secondaries and 92 primaries in the city. The schools are still struggling with the impact of last year's 1.5 per cent "efficiency savings". One headteacher, speaking on condition of anonymity, said: "We didn't want to be seen to be colluding with the director of education on making these budget cuts."

Parents today praised the headteachers for taking a stand.

They have already compiled a dossier for the council showing the proposed cuts would force schools to reduce the number of subjects they offer, cut learning support, and reduce staff.

Last year's cuts left some pupils missing out on PE and art classes, as well as classroom assistants and learning support staff. Some teachers and parents even ended up buying textbooks and paper for the children.

Liz Carrie, chair of Balerno parent council, said: "They feel very strongly that the 1.5 per cent last year was as far as they could go."

Headteachers' devolved budgets cover everything from staffing costs to textbooks, jotters, art supplies, repairs and maintenance.

Last week, Rory Mackenzie, head at Balerno High, accused politicians of failing to grasp the pressures facing schools, as they tried to bring in changes to teaching practices and cut budgets.

Ken Cunningham, general secretary of School Leaders Scotland, which represents secondary headteachers, said: "Headteachers are

caught between the authority and parents. If a school takes a hit of two per cent, the only way will be for it to look at staff. When you start to squeeze staff, you run into a lot of other difficulties."

A council spokesperson said: "There have been meetings with headteachers, at which they have made constructive contributions about the budget plans. Like all parties, the administration is considering the departmental budget packs and will reach a decision about the budget on February 12."


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1

brandy al,

embra 29/01/2009 11:57:28
United fronts dont always work,maybe thats why Hilda Baker look so forlorn in the photo.
2

Leila,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 11:58:37
Aren't the Council's priorities strange? They'll move heaven and earth for their trams (like going begging to the Scottish Government for permission to gamble with future business rates which may never materialise), but when it comes to schools it's cut cut cut.

Good for the headteachers for making a united stand.
3

Skip McClendon,

29/01/2009 12:05:54
#3

Yup. Trams before kids. This Council's priorities are so wrong.

Good on the heidies for siding with their staff and pupils rather than their masters at the Education dept of Edinburgh parish Cooncil.
4

Lil Miss,

29/01/2009 12:10:36
When it comes to Mclaren it's usually already done and dusted and there's nothing the heads can do. But this time it's time to turn round and show them 2 fingers. Teachers and parents are already forking out extra money cos they pay the bigwigs at the council far too much money as a salary.
5

Aloha,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 12:18:57
I say cut the teachers wages!! The average teaching wage is £30k - WITH 12 WEEKS HOLIDAY A YEAR!!

30K - based on a 40 week year is about £750 a week! Truly astonishing...
6

The Judge,

29/01/2009 12:26:53
#6 Have you seen some of the kids they have to teach?

Of course it's trams before schools, tourists don't go to schools.
7

Council Insider,

Council HQ 29/01/2009 12:28:28
Transport has a budget and so does Education. One does not impact on the other. Here endeth the lesson.
8

Skip McClendon,

29/01/2009 12:28:56
#6

Wouldn't Edinburgh taking an stand-alone decision to cut teachers' pay (agreed at national level) be, you know, just a teeny bit illegal?
9

Diana,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 12:29:03
#6 are you mad? £30K barely pays for the mortgage and groceries these days. Why should the teachers have to hit the bread line because the city chose to bring in trams that no one wanted, nor could they afford!

Kudos to the heads for finally making a stand!
10

CRAGman,

29/01/2009 12:29:37
# 4 - isn't it the Scottish Government who are providing the vast majority of the trams money? I don't see your connection - do you know how budgets are set?
11

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 12:30:15
Teachers are council employees and in the end will do what they are told.
12

Aloha,

29/01/2009 12:31:20
7/ Have you seen some of the 5hite binmen have to clear up?? Are they getting paid that much?

Teachers go into teaching KNOWING what the minority of pupils are like...doesn't sound like a bad deal when you are finishing before 4pm most days a half day on Fridays! Oh, and not to mention 12 weeks holidays...

13

Skip McClendon,

29/01/2009 12:32:11
#8

Councils receive central funding from the government, and it is up to the Councils to then set budgets for education, transport and everything else. So, if they wanted to spend more on schools and less on trams, it would be entirely within their power. There is no ring-fencing from Holyrood, it is up to Councils to spend their money on what they see fit. And ECC sees fit to pour money into trams, while creaming money away from other services such as education, care for the elderly, etc, etc.
14

Skip McClendon,

29/01/2009 12:34:18
#11

The Council is making a substatial contribution, and is responsible for any cost over-runs (which will be substantial).

Budgets are set by the Council, from their (non-ring fenced) Government funding pot. So, it is the Council that decides the size of their spend on schools, roads, care for the elderly and, trams.
15

Mr Crisps,

Musselburgh 29/01/2009 12:36:15
#10 - Are YOU mad? £30k is more than ample to live on unless you have over-extended yourself on a mortgage you now can't afford?

Which is another point. Why can't schools teach pupils the basics of home budgeting and money management?
16

Nettie,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 12:46:42
It doesn't matter abut how much the teachers are paid or what is being spent on the trams. It comes down to our children's education - and if the schools can't afford books/pencils/new equipment then our children's education will suffer and no-one wants that - do they?
17

Sister Morag,

Lasswade 29/01/2009 12:58:46
Maybe the scrapping of all those computers will lead to an improvement in the pupils' writing. But then again...
18

Niko Bellic,

29/01/2009 13:00:24
The headteachers are revolting alright

Marilyne Mclaren's a smokey eyed lovely though.
19

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29/01/2009 13:03:29
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Aloha,

29/01/2009 13:03:55
10/Diana

Are you a spoilt brat or just a Drama teacher acting like one?

Check out the statistics of the average salary...

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=285

Crowing that 30k is "barely" enough to survive on seems terribly - foot stampingly - like you have absolutely no idea of the problems facing lower paid (the majority of) people working hard for a living in the current climate.

Maybe you need to cut back on the vacations during your time off...that should save a few pennies!!
21

FrankGallagher,

29/01/2009 13:17:03
Ugly people, working for the council... whatever next
22

Adso,

29/01/2009 13:31:28
21/Aloha
What a great idea, cut the wages of teachers, make the job less attractive and then we can get lower calibre teachers. The ingenius part of this idea is that lower calibre teachers will mean worse education for our kids - which is what Scotland really needs.

In the meantime the good teachers will be even easier to cherry pick for the private schools widening the class gulf between the rich and the rest.

That's a really well thought through plan!



23

Aloha,

29/01/2009 13:44:47
21/Adso

Boooo Hoooo - god forbid a pay cut!! Have you seen the news lately...HUNDREDS of people are losing their jobs not least a pay cut.

Dry your eyes...Teaching should be rewarding enough than having to dress it up with elitist schools and being overpaid!
24

Leila,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 13:54:58
I don't want to get off-topic, but I can't let #11's comment pass: "isn't it the Scottish Government who are providing the vast majority of the trams money? I don't see your connection - do you know how budgets are set?"

Just for the record, Edinburgh Council is expected to find £45 million as their part of the trams deal - and they've only got about £3 million.
25

Pen Fold,

Here 29/01/2009 13:58:29
#16 - or how to play the stockmarket through a computer?
26

Frangipan,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 14:06:58
It really isn't to do with teachers' salary although they are a fixed cost in the schools devolved budget. What these cuts mean to our childrens education is cuts in basic essentials - paper, resources, repairs, facilities, curruculum initiatives, sport etc etc etc. not the extras which have long gone - my daughter shares one maths text book between 3. The impact on the standard of education which can be provided with the proposed cuts is quite horrendous if you have children at a state school in the capital. The Council's own budget survey results show that respondents want the Council to prioritise their spending on education, schools and care for the elderly and that the enormous amounts being spent on road repairs should be reduced.
27

I wish I was allknowing,

29/01/2009 14:28:28
#24 - The top salary of a classroom teacher is; £32,583, and the starting salary is £20,427. A high school teacher has completed a four year degree, and then a year of teacher training. The average starting salary of a university graduate is £24,048, so a teacher in their first year is earning about £3500 less than an equivalent graduate. So teachers earn less than people with similar qualifications, maybe job security is one of the benefits they consider for taking a lower salary. Do they finish at 4pm? The majority I know are working into the evening, marking, preparing resources, or are on training courses. If you knew what was involved in teaching I don't think you'd be moaning about how much they get paid. We need a high quality of teacher to benefit our children's and our own future.
28

Niko Bellic,

29/01/2009 14:31:38
A lot of teachers are thick.
29

Niko Bellic,

29/01/2009 14:33:11
Those who can, do.

Those who can't, teach.

Those who can't teach, teach gym.

Those who can't teach gym, teach RE.
30

Aloha,

29/01/2009 14:56:04
28/

I know a HELL of a lot about teaching and teachers..believe me - the majority of time is spent in extra curricular activities...but nothing to do with the schools. AND thats the married ones!

Go on - disagree with that...
31

subrosa,

29/01/2009 15:34:54
# 28
'The majority I know are working into the evening, marking, preparing resources, or are on training courses.'

I've heard teachers saying this for years. The public don't believe it.

Go to my local Tesco and you'll see plenty teachers wandering around before 4pm.
32

antifa,

29/01/2009 15:43:53
"I've heard teachers saying this for years. The public don't believe it."

How do "the public" think these activities are carried out then, half wit?
33

Noodle doodle,

My High Horse 29/01/2009 16:16:01
Aloha, you can work as a binman from the age of 16, but becoming a teacher needs highers/a-levels and 4 years of higher education qualifications, which means you won't start a teaching career till you're 22. If we're to treat the two jobs the same binmen shouldn't be paid for the first 6 years of their 'career'
34

Niko Bellic,

29/01/2009 16:28:45
#34

TRUE WORDS MY FRIEND. THE BINMEN ARE WAY MORE USEFUL TO SOSIETY THAN SPAKKER GEOG TEACHERS
35

Big T,

29/01/2009 16:56:35
Get rid of their juicy final salary pensions that NOBODY in private industry can afford, nor can the taxpayer afford to pay for them!
36

Chris,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 20:47:19
That is interesting, a 'Council Insider' (#8) who apparently doesn't understand how a local authority budgetary system works. Must be a councillor!
37

is it me?,

Edinburgh 29/01/2009 21:47:44
#38

I know how the budget system doesn't work.
1.Take a big sum of money.
2 Divide it up into lots of smaller parcels of money.
3.Dole it out to headteachers,(most of whom have no idea of financial regulation and are probably quite thick when it comes to buying things other than handbags or shoes,...and that's just the men)
They then spend weeks, (at THEIR salaries) finding out where to buy the cheapest pencils and books.

Meanwhile that big pot of money could build a new school, or repair an old one.
38

The Squirrel,

30/01/2009 00:01:12
DONT,GO.TO,SCHOO.ITS,NUTS.
39

im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 30/01/2009 11:13:09
"Schools out for summer,fib dems are just a scunner"
once more we see the most ancient art of school football
where one party blames the other,or tinkers with the last party in charges methods
gov after gov have ruined scottish education,which was once the envy of the world,thats why so many foreign doctors etc came to edinburgh university to train
boot out the politics,and just do whats needed for kids,no more political point scoring kids first liars last
40

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth & Glesca' 21/02/2009 18:02:45
One thing about #40-"The Squirrel" You can't expect him/her to talk about anything but NUTS!
But why separate every word with a comma or period?
Not very good grammar IMHO.Spelling also needs some work.
Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
41

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:00:35
I find that rather insulting considering I studied for 7 years to teach kids, after they are the future...and I put my hand in my pocket all time to buy resouces....plus the shops etc put without a lot less cheek than we do......

you having a laugh.
42

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:08:08
Your right Asdo....pay peanuts get monkeys.....not to mention that there are already lots of cheap teachers, what about the probationers thay take on year after year rather than give the job to a well experienced teacher.. i will tell you why probationers are free or on less than 20k.... some are good some still the need the expertise of an experienced teacher...I would like number 10 to come and spend a day in schoolllll and see why we are paid 32500k.....I am still paying of student loan for the pleasure.
43

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:09:46
when the school is out for the summer and the kids are at home all you hear is the parents saying I cant wait until they are back at schoolllll wander why....
44

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:12:47
41....your right we may be losing the title of having the best education in the world...further more the gov. wants to change it again but scrapping standard grades and having kids start highers in s4!!!!! some with a reading level of D.....no one knows what is on offer....maybe you should look into the new curriculum for excellence and then you will really have something to comment on....
45

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:23:00
fiona hyslop has a lot to answer for....does she understand what teaching is all about???? the curriculum for excellence is meant to be a radical change....ie provide succesful learners, responsible citizens, effective contributors and confident individuals......I thought that was what was already happening in the scottish education system.....I left school with all of the aforemenioned attributes.....and i can assure you pupils in school today are very good at being confident individualssss...espically when it comes to talking..... fair enough something needs change but has she any idea how much money it will cost and the development time invovled....plus there will be more job cuts.....as the sqa and its staff will reduce in number,,,,how,,,,,no standard grade papers to mark....no invigilators employed during exam time etc etc or maybe she is just keeping herself in a job...
46

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:32:33
niko
i take it you did not like school or benefit from schooolll....maybe the new curriculum for excellence would be better suited to you?

oh yes you did benefit from school,,,,you can type, spell and write....even though it is a lot of piffle. do you have kids, think not or you would be taking a vested interest in the education system...although i am sure with all your knowledge you can home school them.
47

moxie,

26/02/2009 18:36:03
number 39 you do not know how the budget worksssss schools are given money yes and then its divided into different depts....and the subject teachers are allowed to spend it on whatever they wish after discussing the needs of the dept with fellow teachers etccccc...not so they have to purchase items from certain bodies that the council tells them too even though they are paying over the odds and could get the item cheapers from local shops etc etc..... wonder why that is?
48

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04/03/2009 00:11:49
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moxie,

NO MAN LANDS 06/03/2009 13:57:06
I agree there are grammar errors and spelling errors. However, the issue is more about getting the points of views over from the PTA's meeting I attended. It had a lot of upset parents....But I shall ensure I proof read my notes as they have been done in haste not taste.

 

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