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Published Date: 20 June 2009
THE city's tram line will not be ready until May 2012 unless transport bosses can make up for a nine-month delay on crucial work at the Gogar tram depot, it can be revealed today.
The setback is likely to push up the cost of the £545 million scheme by millions and piles pressure on the future of the project, which is meant to be finished by July 2011.

The site next to Gogar Roundabout will house the tram depot, a tram stop and all of the main signalling and electrical equipment for the tram line.

But the Evening News understands that engineers have encountered a series of problems on the site, including complications on diverting a huge water pipe which runs under the A8 close to the Gyle Shopping Centre.

There have also been delays in starting work to remove the 141,000 cubic metres of earth from the site.

Work on the Gogar site is one of the tram project's "critical path" activities, which means that TIE cannot work around it as scores of other jobs hinge on the depot being finished on time.

Another headache for transport bosses is the plan for a new railway station on the Gogar site. Transport Scotland has still to firm up its plans for the interchange and this could impact upon progress on the depot.

The first tram cars are expected in Edinburgh next summer, and once the depot is completed, a stretch between Gogar and Edinburgh Park is meant to be used for the first trials.

Tram firm TIE today insisted it was working on a number of initiatives to speed up construction which it hopes can slash the delays at Gogar by six months.

However, John Carson, the former head of one of the country's biggest engineering firms Miller Civil Engineering, cast doubt on the chances of TIE catching up.

He said: "There is no getting away from how critical the depot site is to the whole project.

"It energises it, it signals it and these things all need a long bedding in and testing period.

"This project is nine months late and that can only push the cost of the project in one direction. There is no way they can bring this in within the £545m – they need to face up to that now."

In conjunction with the work on the depot, a £4m project to bore an underpass beneath the A8 in order to connect the tram depot and Gyle Shopping Centre got under way last year. A bridge will be built over the A8 to allow pedestrian access to the Gogar depot stop, but the location of this bridge will hinge on the final siting of the Gogar train station.

When the line is completed, trams heading to Edinburgh Airport will go through the tunnel from the Gyle and turn left into the depot area. They will then head onwards across fields at Gogar to the airport.

A spokeswoman for TIE said: "The Edinburgh Tram Project is currently working to formally agree a revised programme with the tram consortium.

"It is a priority that any revision of the programme agreed with the consortium will include the optimal solutions for recovering some of the lost time in depot construction."

MSP welcomes cuts to bonuses

THE decision by tram bosses to review their bonus scheme has been welcomed by the MSP who flagged up the payments.

Earlier this week the Evening News revealed that bosses at the council-owned company had ruled the bonus pot for 2008-9 is to be cut from around £600,000 to £100,000 after the Newhaven to airport line slipped behind schedule and over budget.

Shirley-Anne Somerville, the SNP MSP who uncovered figures showing nearly £1 million had been paid in bonuses up to March 2008, said she was pleased TIE was cutting "fat cat" bonuses.

She added: "I welcome any move towards a fairer and tighter bonus system, but it is vital this is a thorough and genuine review."






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1

Columba doing the Rumba,

20/06/2009 10:34:52
"THE city's tram line will not be ready until May 2012 unless transport bosses can make up for a nine-month delay on crucial work at the Gogar tram depot, it can be revealed today."

Funny, I seem to recall the bloggers of the Evening News and Scotsman saying this since day one.

Nice of the Scotsman/EEN to catch up.

Perhaps there's hope for journalism, after all.
2

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 20/06/2009 10:42:10
What!! Is everyone on holiday??

Why don't they do the Tram line from Princes St, East-End to the Airport. The money spent on the utilities on Leith Walk and in Leith won't be wasted as they were given an upgrade they badly needed.

Of course they could just do it on Princes St to give the kids a hurl back and forward.

1st prize would be to scrap Trams altogether and spend the +/-£250m they would save on fuel efficient buses that could service the WHOLE of Edinburgh.

BTW, the way to speed up the buses is to re-introduce bus conductors to take the money and issue tickets.
3

Dragonlord,

20/06/2009 10:52:04
Well how many lies willTie come out with to spin this? If those in charge from the council downwardsm can't see the folly in this tram line, then it's time for them to go, along with the tram.
4

let's play darts,

20/06/2009 11:54:15
Take your time. Nobody wants the bloody things anyway. And I've finally had enough and am moving out of the city centre- so as of next month I officially no longer care.
5

EnEm,

EDINBURGH 20/06/2009 11:59:23
I wonder how long the photographer had to wait to get a picture of anyone actually doing anything on the site. An hour or two? A day or a week, maybe? The biggest expense of this is the enormous amount of time that's wasted. All that's really needed to get the trams in on budget is someone to go around with a stick poking people who should be working.
6

cammy burns,

leith 20/06/2009 12:08:39
I wonder when TIE will get round to changing "taking you to the shops in 2011" propaganda boards that litter our streets.
7

gordon aka smoker and proud,

edinburgh 20/06/2009 12:16:21
I have just been watching a programme on discover channel all about photography, tells the story of the patience that these people have in getting the footage and pictures, sometimes it can take 20 hours to get 1 picture, now looking at that picture featured above i nominate the een photographer for a job like that, he/she must have the patience of a siant to get a couple of men looking like they are doing something (or were they paid to pose?)
8

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 20/06/2009 12:34:38
#6
Will they change it to "Taking you to the cleaners between now and 2012 - at least"

#4
So you don't pay any local taxes to ECC??
9

Sally Longlegs,

edinburgh 20/06/2009 12:36:00
Now theres a surprise!
10

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 12:41:31
This can't be correct.

I had a concern about overspend and delays a earier in the year.

I wrote to Charles Dundas my councillor registering my concern.

Regarding delays he said "I do not know what delays you are referring to"

Regarding a potential overspend he said " I contend that the watertight contracts signed before work started have delivered fantastic value for the City "

I went back on about delays and he confirmed "Again I don't know what delays you are talking about since everything is still currently on schedule for the 2011 start date"

To put my mind at rest Charles concluded an e mail with "The problem is that the public are only too prepared to believe the very worst and everyone assumes that the project is spiralling out of control, whereas the facts actually show the opposite."

My councillor must know better than a newspaper and 99.9% of the Edinburgh public shouldn't he? There we have it, no denial and all is under control! No need to worry about an out of touch, in denial council that will press in with this madness, regardless.
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20/06/2009 12:41:38
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20/06/2009 12:45:21
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Big bob 79,

20/06/2009 13:03:14
TRAM SHAM

REFERENDUM NOW

Let the people Edinburgh choose the fate of this misguided project.
This project had destroyed councillors careers, come the next election they have no hope of staying in power


14

Ecto,

20/06/2009 13:46:47
And why does this story come as shock to anyone, a blind monkey could have told you this project would not be delivered on time or within budget. Look at the parliament years late and 10 times over the original budget, this project will be lucky if it comes in under £1Bn by the time it is complete (or half complete if you consider some of its been cancelled). Taking money from the residents of Edinburgh until 2031 to pay for this stupid pointless scheme. Lets see if they are honest enough to stick those boards on the works!
15

James (1),

20/06/2009 14:27:22
Just finish it any time you want and charge us any amount you want.
Whenever is suits you we will be here with your blank cheque.
So remember, there is no rush and cost is not an issue, it is only public money.
16

eric,

lothian 20/06/2009 14:34:15
Well done Glasgow for surging ahead with its airport rail link,this city is a joke,
17

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 14:38:11
#10, GrahamH - you're lucky, I can't even get the courtesy of a reply out of my cooncillor, wee Jason Rust (Tory) any more . I think he must be hiding behind the big cooncil settee, fingers in ears, singing "La-La-La, can't hear you"! LAST time I did hear from him, he spun me much the same line of keech - suspect they've all got a copy of the TIE Bumper Book of Lies, to recite 'If Asked'. And to think this prat has delusions to be the Tory Parliamentary Candidate against Flipper Darling!
18

tumshie heid,

20/06/2009 14:53:00
Great to see it being acknowledged at last. Pity that most folks have predicted this from the start.
More delays and spiralling costs.. End the stupidity now.
19

Padraig,

20/06/2009 14:59:30
Joe #15 said "Oh dear another brickbat for the SNP's decision to cancel the Edinburgh Airport Rail link. Their interference in east coast transport projects looking more and like deliberate sabotage as the years of inaction roll by."

Not at all, Joe - cancelling EARL was a good move - it removed the opportunity to make the tram project look tightly controlled and lose much more in public money thant the trams.

THink about it - they were to tunnel under not only the terminal building (which wasn't designed to be under-cut) but also the main runway, while aircraft were still using it! Tunneling is a very expensive way of constructing anything and this was to be a long and compicated tunnel.

Had they chosen to build the proposed second Forth crossing by tunnel, they would simply have sunk sections of tube on to the sea bed, not drill their way through the subsoil.
20

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 15:29:52
What's the betting that this crazy project ends up costing well into 10 figures and is reduced to a tourist railway along Princes Street and down Leith Walk?

They might as well start painting cartoon white elephants on the sides of the tramcars now.
21

Flabskin,

Chuffing along Princes St and back 20/06/2009 15:49:47
#25
"What's the betting that this crazy project ends up costing well into 10 figures and is reduced to a tourist railway along Princes Street and down Leith Walk?"

I'll take your bet. No way it's going to get as far as Leith Walk
22

Grumpy,

20/06/2009 15:56:19
There are 24 hours in a day, 7 days in a week. The Gogar roundabout is nowhere near any houses, so where is the excuse not to work 24 x 7 and get the project completed on time?
23

The Sheriff,

20/06/2009 15:56:49
15 Joe....Can I remind you that it was Labour that started both the Scottish Parliament building and now this wasteful tram project....so there you have it,Labour waste over one billion pounds in just two projects.

I remember whilst Labour were in opposition they promised to deliver a scottish parliament when they got into power for a mere £40m and at the site of the old high school.

Years ago Edinburgh had a tram system,I wonder what political party scrapped it only to re-invent it again?
24

Cockneyrebel,

20/06/2009 15:58:53
Shock gasp horror... no way..i'm totally shocked...NOT!
Ok come on out into the open and show yourself. 'Mr 'whoever agreed on this obscene amount of spending!!!ARE THERE STILL STOCKS IN STOCKBRIDGE OR THE GRASSMARKET?
25

gus1940,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 16:20:46
#28

It was The Progressives (Tories) who scrapped the old tram syatem.
26

Goat Boy,

20/06/2009 16:20:53
The cost of 1 mile of tram line could have bought 300 energy efficient buses.

1 mile tram = 300 buses.
27

roadstohell,

20/06/2009 16:26:42
It's not TIE's fault !!!!!!

Some big boy did it and ran away !
28

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 16:36:09
#27 - 24x7 working - they arent even working 2 hours a day on that site!

What the politicians and other liars at TIE still haven't grasped is that at the same time as costs spiral out of control the so-called benefits are disappearing. Passenger numbers at the airport are well down, the waterfront is dead, RBS is on its knees and Edinburgh Park has several million square feet undeveloped. How many people are aware that over 50% of the forecast passengers from Haymarket to the Airport were to come from growth that is not happening and is unlikely in any reasonable timeframe to ever happen. Even at the time of the business plan the forecasts looked ridiculously optimistic but in the current environment we can see them for the blatant lies they are.

Time to sack everyone at TIE for gross incompetence, fill in the holes and mothball the whole project.
29

they aint won the cup since 1902,

20/06/2009 16:48:24
KILL ALL TRAFFIC WARDENS.. (all of them)
30

James (1),

20/06/2009 19:22:18
Gorgie T, you are a pensioner and as such will be dead before the completion of the tram line. Sad but true!
31

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20/06/2009 21:07:40
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D Napier,

20/06/2009 21:36:21
I'm surprised John Carson doesn't want the whole tram line built in a tunnel!!!!!!!!!
33

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 22:26:20
GrahamH (10) - I have had pretty much the same experience with politicians.

TIE staff have wanted to keep the project going as long as possible because they stand to gain financially from very high salaries and bonuses. It was very much in their interest to hide the many major issues which existed from the start.

The politicians have not wanted to countenance the possibility that there are major problems with the scheme because that would make them both responsible and accountable and/or complicit. The loss of face for them would be enormous.

When people like you, I and many others on these pages can sit down with the background papers years ago and see where the major financial/technical issues would lie, and yet our overpaid TIE and Council officials could not and our politicians lacked either the requisite understanding or will, then there is something far wrong with the way this project (and many other publicly-funded projects) has been run and I find that unacceptable.

In my view, the project has been a colossal turkey virtually from Day 1 and Heaven help them all if Lothian Buses or decades of paying for the damned thing is the result of their incompetence.
34

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 23:48:49
10:- Here's what I think Charls Dundas was wanting to write:

'Dear Mr H,

I am delighted to have to opportunity to tell you to sod off and stop asking valid questions! - How dare you, as a member of the public who probably never voted for me, write in and challenge our 'jobs for the boys' scheme and vomit common sense into our nice fantasy land - don't you realise how many 'pretend' jobs are at stake!

I wonder if you have ever stopped to think about my ego and how important I feel having £1/2 billion stuffed under my pillow that I can give away to the Germans! Not only that since we have bashed ahead with this the EU is looking at all of the councillors very favorably at the moment and once we have finished spending your money here (and borrowing yet more) there is a cushy job in brussels, paid for by you, for me!

Apparently we may be slightly over budget at the end of the day but only by a few hundred million and since it is not my money I don't see what the problem is. The next thing you filthy militants will want is accountability and reason !

When the cretinous people of Edinburgh voted against the congestion charge we had to do something to put them back in their place. There is no place for public opinion in my office! I was elected fair and square by my friends and fellow council workers (praise be to god that the public can't be bothered to vote in council elections !). The public robbed us of easy money and this is payback my friend! We are going to lumber the people of Edinburgh with a 1890's solution to a problem that we, infact, made!

To be honest with you mind you - I don't even like trams - I use the council Jag and taxis which I charge to you every day. We, in the council, think it is about high time you lot gave up your cars so we can get a better run into our work - the trams will not only 'force' us to raise council tax so we can take more of your dirty legitimate money but also they will give you lot even more crud to deal with on
35

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 23:50:50
Cont .....

to deal with on your way into work because we've taken yet another lane away - hehehehe ! You'll be forced to use our tram system !

The biggest laugh of all mind you is that when I am long gone and earning £200,000 a year out of my 'Europe 'job'' I will be able to come back to the city of Edinburgh and gloat quietly at all the passers by knowing that I and a few of my buddies egos cost all of them a fortune whilst I am making one !

Surely you know about a book call 'none dare call it treason' ... read it serf and know my thinking !

Yours absolutely sincerely

Councillor Ripov

----

Does that sound about right ?
36

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 20/06/2009 23:59:21
41 - very well put.

What public servants don't seem to realise now is the fact that if they do a good job and represent value and accountability we WILL give them a job for life.

Right now they seem hell bent on ripping the taxpayer off for as much as they can as fast as possible whilst not being accountable. That makes the public pretty hostile and inclined not to give them a job for life - I guess we'll have to get off our backsides and start voting in council elections to try and get the right calibre of person in their ... the current clowns are damaging not only today's Edinburgh but lumbering us all with more bills to pay for generations just so their egos don't get hurt !
37

Cabbie,

Edinburgh 21/06/2009 00:02:33
SNP councillors and MSP's were right after all to oppose the trams but the trams were forced through by the other parties. The SNP argued all along that the business case wouldn't add up.
38

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 21/06/2009 00:31:29
45 -- spot on -- lets hope folk will always see the truth that the Trams were forced through by the lib dems and the Labour party.

The Labour party will try to blame the trams failure in future years on anybody but themselves ... but we all know the truth and that is, hopefully, why nobody will be daft enough to waste a vote on the lib dems or labour and any election in the future !
39

outlaw,

edinburgh 21/06/2009 02:12:30
rofl....

looks like we've all been well and truly TRAMMED.

owm
40

calum,

21/06/2009 10:17:16
#35 - What an obsessive nutter you are. Get help, or get stronger medication.
41

The Judge,

21/06/2009 16:27:51
45&46 The SNP are one of the parties actually building the billion pound tramLINE!

The Cheerleader can play all the party politics he likes, "we're the only party against the trams" but in the end he sold out The SNP Group & The SNP voters when he wanted to be Deputy Leader so he could get his snout deep in the trough.

Instead of taking an opposition role and picking holes in the business case for 4 years(perhaps 5)Cardowine & the rest of The SNP Group stuck two fingers up to the voters who didn't want nor need a half a tramLINE to no-where all for the sake of a wee bit of power.

The SNP in Edinburgh have shown they cannot and should not be trusted again. Would you honestly believe a single word in their next election manifesto when they ditched their opposition to the tramLINE on the first day after the local elections?
42

tumshie heid,

21/06/2009 16:28:47
#38 You're a class act Foo. Applauding someone for biting a guys ear off. What a muppet. The guy is a thug you say? What better way to change his habits than biting his ear off!
43

Ian down under,

Musselburgh 21/06/2009 21:55:04
It is often said that in modern society literacy and creative writing is a disappearing art. I disagree and these forums [forae?] show that we have lots of creative writers. It does not matter whether you are pro or anti tram because we all get a chance to express ourselves in print and that has to be good.
Mind you in the city that houses and housed many great writers we should not be surprised. Perhaps Ian Rankin could bring Rebus out of retirement to investigate the discovery of a mass grave unearthed by tram workers. That could be the start of the story and good auld Rebus arrives in his old car, fag in mouth, grins and heads of to the Ox knowing already whaedunnit. Somebody carry on the next bit...............
44

Foo,

21/06/2009 21:59:07
51 tumshie heid

Don't you ever get bored of being a complete and utter t0sser?
45

Nick Nick,

Edinburgh 22/06/2009 09:48:18
How do they have the gall to say that a "huge water pipe" next to the Gyle centre was unexpected? The Council or Utilties companies must have had this on plans, or a decent site survey beforehand would surely have identified it.
Total incompentence reigns supreme on this project.

 

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