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Published Date: 26 June 2009
SETTING up a new national policing board must not become a first step towards creating a single police force for Scotland, critics warned today.
Councillor Iain Whyte, convener of Lothian & Borders police board, said the Scottish Government's announcement of a national policing body could be seen either as a move to centralise police services or just a talking shop.

He said: "We have to be
careful a national board cannot take away the responsibility at local level to react to the policing needs of each force area."

The Scottish Policing Board, which is to hold its first meeting in the autumn, will be chaired by Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill and is expected to look at cross-border crime such as human trafficking, internet crime, terrorism and fraud, as well as encouraging co-operation between the country's eight police forces.

The move follows an independent review by former Lothian & Borders chief constable Paddy Tomkins in his role as HM Chief Inspector of Constabulary which raised concerns about the way policing was governed.

The review recommended a national steering group to "decide which policing risks require co-ordination at national level and oversee the response to these national risks".

Cllr Whyte said: "I very much hope this is not the start of moves to push through the single police force idea.

"The Scottish Government has previously said it does not want to interfere with policing structures and I hope they will stick to that."

He said the devil would be in the detail of the arrangements for the new board.

"We have to find a way of making it a meaningful exchange on the issues that have wider national or even international implications and a co-operative arrangement between the forces."

Charles Dundas, a Liberal Democrat member of Lothian & Borders police board, said there were already several bodies, not least the Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (ACPOS), which helped co-ordinate policing across the country.

He said: "ACPOS already reaches into every force in Scotland. I remain to be convinced there is a need for yet another layer of bureaucracy."

And he said Lothian and Borders was already a large area in which to deliver local policing. "I would not like to see it expanded any further."

Labour councillor Ian Murray, who also sits on the Lothian & Borders police board, said there was no doubt policing issues were best dealt with at local level.

And he said: "I would be concerned if the eight police forces were not already working together on issues like terrorism and human trafficking

."

Mr MacAskill said: "This new body will make sure the challenges facing our police do not impact on frontline policing and help ensure that Scotland's communities continue to be well served."





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  • Last Updated: 26 June 2009 11:03 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh policing
 
1

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 26/06/2009 12:05:00
This will never happen,different areas are to proud of their force to join as one polis service.
2

Tonto43,

Midlothian 26/06/2009 12:31:19
It will never happen........... Don't kid yourself... Never mind community policing or individual force goals etc etc the matter is quite simple. It comes down to money. If it is cheaper it will happen. As everyone knows in the police world ... Cheapest is best....NOT
3

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26/06/2009 12:59:11
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Linda,

Edinburgh 26/06/2009 14:35:39
Is this the same Charles Dundas that has attended the least number of Edinburgh City Council meetings?

Are the folk in the article not paying attention as Alex Salmond clearly answered all these points at First Ministers Questions yesterday.
5

James (1),

26/06/2009 15:10:56
#1 come back to the real world please and let me speak with you!
The police are in the process of making all police forces use the same command and control system and means of communication. Their uniforms are now being slowly changed so all are wearing the same. (That is so they can be deployed anywhere and not stand out)
At the moment there are 8 Chief Constables to overcome if a change is put forward. They have to be convinced the change will benefit their areas. Get rid of them and put in one placed yes man and you get full power.

The reason we have seen a change in the police of late is they are having to chase target and not carry out local concerns of the public.
If we got away from this peoples lives would improve. However introduce one force and target are all that will matter.

By the way one force is coming, make no mistake!
6

The Busman,

26/06/2009 15:14:23
What surprises me is that Scotland has eight police forces for a population of 5m. There are a lot of countries of similar size (Ireland, New Zealand), or even jurisdictions (New South Wales, Victoria), which only have one single force. What is stopping wholesale amalgamation?
7

James (1),

26/06/2009 15:30:26
#6 They have eight forces because it means each area is broken down and managed to suit the public and not the government.
The only benefit to having one force is that the government get to place their man in charge and then run it how they like, regardless of the publics feelings. I don't care what happens out with Lothian and Borders Police area. So I don't care was Strathclyde do to solve their problems because it is their problems. I do care if it effects me and it is not a problem in my area.
This is not about efficiency this is about control.

Paddy Tomkins was a mammary gland when in charge of Lothian and Borders and ruined a good force with his PC nonsense. When he left as Sir Paddy, oh wait, my mistake he was the one, who rightly, never got knighted for his folly, there was a sigh of relief until it was found out where he was being sent.
It was like giving a child a knife to play with then replacing it was a razor blade. The potential damage that clown can inflict will stay with us for many years.
8

LVT,

26/06/2009 15:41:44
We don't need 8 police forces- amalgamate now- but no payoffs other than statutory for all the hangers on
9

NorT,

Edinburgh 26/06/2009 15:56:26
I agree with #7
Paddy Tomkins ruined L&B Police when he was in charge and went onto to ruin the Scottish Police whne he was appointed to HMI. He has always wanted a national police force with himself in charge. Lets hope he is enjoying his retirement. Any chance he will return to England? The police service certianly will be now he is no longer in charge.
10

Number 6,

Germany 26/06/2009 16:23:23
I'm sure his local MP can raise his concerns with the Goverment.

Tommorrow "Big Tam" who run's Scotland's biggest chippy says "The Guverment better no ban fishin".
11

Teofilio Cubillas,

26/06/2009 17:05:07
#5 James (1)

Following your comments about the PDA, and now about command and control and Airwave, can I assume you would rather police officers still carried whistles and wore top hats? Or limited themselves to cuffing errant youngsters about the lug for scrumping apples?

What's wrong with a joined up command and control system? And don't you think it's more useful to an officer working in Bathgate that he can patch into Strathclyde or Central Scotland rather than somewhere in his own force like Dunbar?

Not everything's cr*p, not everything's perfect either but with such negativity from guys like you, no wonder morale's poor.
12

Teofilio Cubillas,

26/06/2009 17:07:05
#9

Provide an example of how the Scottish Police is "ruined".

And then stop talking drivel about something you clearly know nothing about.
13

Electric Hermit,

26/06/2009 19:47:49
I am always wary of any aggregation of power and centralisation of authority. Cheaper is not necessarily better. It may mean only that you pay in ways that are not immediately obvious.

14

Fifi la Bonbon,

26/06/2009 20:58:03
I bet Common Purpose are behind this outrage.
15

Electric Hermit,

26/06/2009 21:21:25
14
Fifi la Bonbon

"I bet Common Purpose are behind this outrage."

Or the Venusians...

16

Fifi la Bonbon,

26/06/2009 21:50:15
Nothing would surprise me with this crowd.
17

James (1),

26/06/2009 22:35:18
#11 No you are wrong! I am all for change if it's for the better. I would not mind reverting back to the clip round the lug. (I bet that comment has made a few tree huggers feel faint?) The PDA is not fit for purpose. There really is nothing more that needs said about it. If you want to issue traffic tickets it is great. If you want to do any other type of police work it is a time consuming piece of junk. The Airwave is a brilliant piece of kit but they cut the corner by going for the cheaper option of not allowing officers to contact one another if it is already in use by someone else. They also signed up to one provider O2, paying for its use by the second. Yes, that is right, by the second. The police get in the main, rubbish equipment. Ask any of the front line officers if the new stab vest is better than the last one. Answer is not it is not it is just more difficult to put on. Where is the benefit? Maybe it is cheaper because to the officer on the street it has nothing.
So back to the issue under discussion, one force will make it oh so easy to force through any change the government want. It is easier to force through if only one person needs to be convinced.
18

Electric Hermit,

26/06/2009 22:54:01
17
James (1)

"No you are wrong! I am all for change if it's for the better. I would not mind reverting back to the clip round the lug. (I bet that comment has made a few tree huggers feel faint?)"

Why would it make anyone else feel faint? You would be the one facing imprisonment for assault.

19

James (1),

27/06/2009 08:22:17
#18 Tree huggers have made society what it is. Criminals using the "Human Rights Act" and victims being left to fend for themself.

The reason I say it will make them feel faint is they take on and become offended about everything and everyone. They are such sensitive people who are " so offend". Such a precious little group with too much to say that impacts on the majority.
The type who are all for 2nd chances, they might let a child abuser have a second chance and when that person reoffends what do these goody two shoes do? They shuffle about looking at their shoes and do not take responsibility for their actions. It is society's fault.
Corporeal punishment banned because of them and now we have little thugs being excluded from school and it is the schools fault.
Made up disorders to excuse horrible children, ADD and the like.
20

Kenny A,

27/06/2009 20:03:56
For a change I have thought long and hard on this issue. A single police force is required to give equality throught the country.

I however think the officers who police areas should where possible be from these areas.

Reasons being, they know the local culture
They know what tends to be going on
They tend not to be overly heavy handed.

When they shipped East Coasters into the Islands it was a disaster they have never recovered from yet. Crime real and percieved soared, now there are serious crimes mainly drugs while proior to this barring punch up's now and again it was very quiet.

Police dress like SWAT teams, have arrest targets.

May the Lord help[ a policeman sent Rockall, he will probably try to arrest a US aircraft carrier to justify his existance. 5000 plus arrests in one day, chief constable of the MET at 19 years old. You get my drift.
21

Alan B,

27/06/2009 23:23:21
There is 2 types of policing. One of the community policing variety and one for serious crime.

As such we probably need 2 police forces. One a council community policing. And a national force to investigate serious crime.

One is about prevention and minor issues. While the other deals with serious crime.

Having said that i think we really need to think about how we want to deal with crime in general as policing must be integrated to that strategy.

How do we want to deal with organised crime?
How do we want to deal with drugs?
How should we investigate murders and rapes and armed robberies?

 

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