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Published Date: 02 April 2008
THE number of school students in Britain who believe in creationism is becoming a growing concern for science teachers, according to Professor Richard Dawkins.
The eminent Darwinist said the rise of the belief, which states that the Earth did not evolve following the big bang but was instead created by God, raised a serious problem for science teachers. Prof Dawkins was speaking at a debate held as part of
this year's 20th anniversary Edinburgh International Science Festival.

In the packed lecture hall of the George Square Theatre the author of the best-seller The God Delusion debated God, Religion and Science with former Bishop of Edinburgh Richard Holloway. During a question and answer session afterwards he was asked if he felt the rise of creationism and fundamentalism were a concern in Britain.

"It is a very worrying trend, and I think a lot of it has come over from America and Australia," he said.

"I have spoken to a lot of science teachers in schools here in Britain who are finding an increasing number of students coming to them and saying they are Young Earth creationists. Now this is a belief that the Earth is only 6000 years old, and it is such a staggering mistake that it is very concerning to hear this. It is no small error – it is equivalent to someone believing, despite the evidence, that the width of North America from one coast to the other is only 7.8 yards."

Earlier both Dawkins and Holloway had kept the crowd of 480 entertained with a fascinating discussion on religion.

• The Edinburgh International Science Festival runs until April 5.







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Mr H 2u,

Embra 02/04/2008 12:42:41
And why should anyone believe the big bang theory? Because it's just that - a theory. Scientists seem very keen on disparaging other systems of belief, but when they have no actual proof, they seem happy to fall back on faith.
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Calum Crubag,

02/04/2008 12:50:01
Well done Dawkins. I find that school pupils find it strange the bible doesn't mention dinosaurs or even any other animal other than those found near the people desribed in that book. It certainly doesnt give the impression of 'omnipresence'.

Science certainly has more proof for earth's origins than the bible. But then again, if bible-bashers don't need proof that 'god' exists, why should we need proof that 'he' doesn't?
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02/04/2008 17:10:32
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Reckless,

Lying Labour 02/04/2008 17:11:25
BTW, I'm a scientist.
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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 02/04/2008 18:35:34
There wasn't so much a debate between Dawkins and Holloway as a kind of cosy agreement. Essentially they're both atheists. It was an interesting conversation due to the nuances though. Of course there were a couple of nutters inside asking stupid questions and nutters to go outside handing out anti-evolution pamphlets.

Still, at least we're not the US and those who believe in the supernatural are a minority here to those who believe in evidence-based theory.

I thought one of the more interesting comments of the night was Holloway's statement that he'd left the Church for a while due to their "hatefest" concerning gays at Lambeth. It'd be irony indeed if Christianity in Britain took its final steps towards irrelevance in a demented pursuit of hatred.
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Calum Crubag,

02/04/2008 18:56:12
#3 - yes, but which god made us? And why DID he make gays too? Surely then it's HIS fault and we're all part of HIS plan? He KNEW it was gonna happen.

You a scientist? Aye, and I'm god.
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Calum Crubag,

02/04/2008 18:58:15
Why are Christians so anti-Gay? Yeah, the bible rants about them but then it rants about 1001 other irrelevances too. Will we have Christian nutters checking all our knobs to see if we're all circumcised? And making sure we don't fraternise with women 'during their monthly uncleanliness'? Death penalty all round folks!
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Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/04/2008 20:59:12
#5 True enough, and as ever Richard Holloway was a most eloquent and honest debater. I really enjoyed the evening myself, and was glad that they found some key points of disagreement to pore over. It was fantastic to be in a room packed with folk who seemed to have the intelligence to engage at that level. But how to filter that humanity out to cardinals and the great unwashed?
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Reckless,

Only one god 02/04/2008 21:00:18
Calum Crubag,

God made us all, and he gave us the freedom to choose between good and evil. Unfortunately, some people choose evil and debauchery.

It's never too late to repent. You can still turn your back on your homosexual lifestyle choice. Marry a woman, then you won't face critisism for being a perv.
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Darron S,

02/04/2008 22:17:27
"Big bang is a flawed theory. Creationalism is fact. BTW, I'm a scientist."

You do realize there is direct, observable evidence of the Big Bang don't you? As a scientist I'm CERTAIN you've read about NASA's WMAP probe which has accurately mapped the after-glow of the big bang (Cosmic Microwave Background) and given us the most precise age yet of the universe (13.73 billion yrs +/- .2 billion yrs). In fact, if you turn on your televion to a station that is just static, some of what you're seeing there is the actually radition from the big bang! Cheers!

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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 03/04/2008 15:09:39
Scientific and religious fundamentalists are equally unattractive to the questioning open-minded.
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Calum Crubag,

04/04/2008 08:55:28
#9 - why did god create evil though? If he is all powerful, then are we just pawns in the game that he designed?

Or else, it's all fairy stories.
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Mr. Bob,

05/04/2008 14:23:04
Mr H 2u obviously has not done science or at least failed it. Anyone who says "evolution or big bang are only theories and therefore are simply claim or the same as creationism" clearly has not done science.

All scientific theories are backed-up with evidence, this is something that creationism does not have. People believe in scientific theories not because of faith, but because of the evidence that backs it up. The big bang may be flawed theory, but creationists seem to not understand that scientific theories change/improve, ever heard of String Theory?

On another topic, there is a lot of evidence (apart from actual reports from homosexuals) showing that gender is hardwired in the brain and not a choice. So according to believers, god made people to be sinners and didn't give them a choice, yet he is fair and just. To a normal person, what the believer believes is BS.

"Big bang is a flawed theory. Creationism is fact. BTW, I'm a scientist."
Well obviously you're a pretty bad scientist. You claim that creationism is a fact, thats fine. Here's the hard part, where is the proof/evidence showing you this? Where is the evidence showing that evolution is false? As a scientist you should understand these basic principles: 1)if the data/evidence contradicts a theory/claim (you belief of creationism), then the theory should be discarded, not the data. 2) Don't claim anything as fact if you dont have evidence that is observable.

It's always funny to see believers try to rationalize their belief saying that god designed dinosaurs with razor sharp teeth so that they can survive on berries. lol.

Also to those who say that god save us freewill and yet also has a divine plan, its illogical. If we have freewill it means that god as not control over our thinking/will, which means he is not all powerful as he has no control over us and that he does not have a divine plan. If he has a divine plan we do not have free will.

Thats the end of my rant. Oh yeah and fo
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Chris Benton,

Bath 08/04/2008 12:19:45
To those who say that the big bang and evolution are unsupported: You have been lied to. You have been systematically mislead by fanatics who can't handle the truth.

If you think that there is no evidence for evolution, take a look at:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/images/hominids2_big.jpg
We now have dozens of fossils showing an elegant transition from apes with brains the size of chimpanzees to modern humans. We have vast numbers of transitional fossils showing how the human line converges with other mammals, then reptiles, then fish and so on.

Similarly, if you think there is no evidence for the big bang, read up on Hubble's law, and the WMAP spacecraft.


 

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