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Published Date: 03 June 2009
BIN collections, street sweeping and school meals are among a raft of council services set to be put into the hands of private companies by city leaders as part of a bid to save the local authority millions of pounds.
Officials have today revealed a "long list" of services they have identified as suitable for being outsourced, as they feel they could be provided more effectively and cheaper if put out to tender.

Other council functions that could be affected include customer service areas such as the council's network of local offices, buildings maintenance, IT and the city's council-owned museums and galleries.

The initiative would see companies come in and manage or reorganise council departments, with them splitting the money saved with city leaders.

Other ways of reorganising services, such as setting up arm's-length operating trusts, like Edinburgh Leisure, are also under consideration.

The review has concentrated on back-office functions, rather than core council services, such as teaching and social work.

Edinburgh is following in the footsteps of other local authorities, including Glasgow, which have taken large swathes of their services out of direct control.

City leaders last month revealed they are facing a £92 million black hole in the council finances over the next four years due to tough Government efficiency targets.

It is thought a shortlist of services will be drawn up by August with the first service set to be outsourced by Spring next year.

Privatising services will be fiercely resisted by unions, who have raised fears about the money to be made by private firms.

Council chiefs today insisted the scheme was not about "cutting the quality of service or losing jobs", adding that not-for-profit trusts, and joint ventures with the voluntary sector, will be given equal consideration to ventures with private firms.

City leader Jenny Dawe, said: "We have to look at all options for delivering efficient services in this tough economic climate.

"Alternative service delivery appears to have been successful in other councils and we would be foolish not to explore these avenues further.

"I must stress though that this exercise is not about cutting the quality of service or losing jobs but at looking for alternatives, where available, to provide the standard of service the people of Edinburgh expect.

"We will keep all staff aware of all options being looked at, as I understand that this type of review may cause concern. We will also ensure that trade unions are properly engaged in the process."

As well as looking to outsource frontline services, council chiefs are also considering freezing pay levels and closing more schools as part of a bid to plug its predicted £92m budget shortfall.

The black hole equates to nearly 4 per cent of the city council's budget between 2010 and 2013 and could be met by laying off around 2,000 workers, but the local authority says it is trying to avoid this at all costs through initiatives such as outsourcing.


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  • Last Updated: 03 June 2009 9:48 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

simonp,

03/06/2009 11:51:25
Another disaster brought to you by ECC...
2

Foo,

03/06/2009 11:53:36
Other than bin collections, street sweeping and school meals, what exactly do the council do? Certainly not road repairs.
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 03/06/2009 11:54:27
Council Chiefs should be outsourced and maybe we could have a better service.
4

Skip McClendon,

03/06/2009 12:00:24
#2

Foo, you know as well as I that the Cooncil is mainly concerned with setting up and then failing to properly run companies who can't build tramlines.

Might as well privatise the tramline now as well, will save a lot of time later on.
5

Skip McClendon,

03/06/2009 12:05:30
Yeah, privatising council services always leads to a better deal for the taxpayer....not.

People will end up paying more for things like schools meals, etc to the private firms. And will their Council Tax go down as a result? Don't bet on it.
6

Marian,

03/06/2009 12:05:55
Edinburgh should be hunting for a private firm to potentially take over the running of all its services in order to deliver even better value for money and eliminates wasteful bureaucracy.

Edinburgh should be currently looking at every single part of its operation. This should include looking to see if it can deliver its services in new or different innovative ways not yet considered by the public sector.

Outsourcing has a vital role to play in keeping council tax bills as low as possible and ensuring that the City's own operating costs are kept to an absolute minimum.

Outsourcing all services would drive up standards and save taxpayers’ cash by delivering the best quality of life for residents, whilst guaranteeing real value for money including a low level of council tax.
7

Jeffrey Lebowski,

03/06/2009 12:07:46
The EEN reported this a few weeks ago.

Also, CEC's IT was outsourced about 8 years ago to BT Syntegra and is costing a fortune. More brilliant reporting by the EEN.
8

Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 03/06/2009 12:08:52
SNP = Tartan Tories = cuts, cuts, cuts.
9

Marathon,

03/06/2009 12:15:39
shouldn't have wasted money on a damn tram
10

Hector the Red,

03/06/2009 12:17:19
Private companies main aim is to make a profit, not quality of service.

Expect to may more and get less for your money!

Here's and idea to save £92m.

SCRAP THE TRAMS!
11

Top Floor,

03/06/2009 12:21:30
This SNP/LibDem council is looking increasingly right wing. Contracting services out to private companies inevitably leads to poorer terms and conditions for workers, leading to higher staff turnover, leading to worse services, leading to ....
12

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 03/06/2009 12:23:21
#8, The SNP are junior partners to the Fib-Dums in the cooncil administration. Don't let a minor detail like that inhibit your 'anti-tory' rant though.
13

Top Floor,

03/06/2009 12:24:12
#9 & 10

For once this has nothing to do with trams. There are other ways of running public services more efficiently that don't require resorting to the lowest common denominator.
14

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 12:27:24
yip another Evening News Story that has already been reported.


N07...good point....remember reading this article, the report highlighted how much it charged for doing simple things, was it not something like £60 just to tell someone to switch their computer on and off

it must be a surprise to BT that the council is considering Outsourcing its IT services.


Surely like any "company" private or public, they employ managers to run a service efficiently?

Private Companies are there for one thing...Profit
15

Top Floor,

03/06/2009 12:28:48
#12 Thomas

The SNP are complicit in every decision this administration makes. They can't pretend they are just innocent bystanders in all this. They took the positions and the salaries. They have to take the responsibility too.


16

Dorian,

Edinburgh 03/06/2009 12:34:52
I'll take my rubbish to the tip myself, no charge for me for bin pickup then, thanks.
17

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 12:38:31
15 remember

these cuts are all part of the Government Bail out of the banks.

Public Sector spening the length and breadth of the country will be cut back, not just local Councils

And wait until Taxes go up as well.

Amazing how the Government can throw BILLIONS of pounds at PRIVATE sector companies.

Yet its the Public Sector and the taxpayer that has to pay for it.

WE will ALL suffer for years to come.

Some reports talk of 20 years of paying of the National Debt that Brown and Darling have spent proping up the Banks.
18

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 12:38:55
16 try that on a 23 bus
19

Dragonlord,

03/06/2009 12:59:47
Outsourced council services should be paid for directly to the company concerned and scrap the council tax. They won't be supplying any services, so why should I subsidise council tenants repairs? The grass verges are not being cut, playing feilds are not being cut and there is no sign of any weed killing going on, so what are they doing with my council tax? Councillors expences and free meals should be cut before services.
20

Jeffrey Lebowski,

03/06/2009 13:01:42
#19 Your council tax is paying the Tram chiefs' bonuses.
21

Jeffrey Lebowski,

03/06/2009 13:12:38
#14 Yep, it was some crazy price for simple IT fixes.

As you say private companies are only interested in profit.
22

Paula McGuire,

03/06/2009 13:13:23
heres an idea for the CEC

Stop giving free trips to disneyland for ASBO families!! (This is a fact and happens all the time)
why should they get special treatment for being bad neighbours?
Also stop sending taxis to take councilors everywhere which is normally walking distance and paying for their lunches etc, its mad.

23

Fredster.,

03/06/2009 13:40:15
#22

Couldn't agree more!
24

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

03/06/2009 13:40:55
Excellent news. We've thrown away uncountable money on useless bankers and have a huge black hole in the country's finances as a result. Perhaps some good can come of it if much of local and national government can be privatised and government can be reduced to doing a tiny number of functions relatively well.
25

It's Leith for me!,

03/06/2009 13:41:14
won't save a penny but will cost more, services will be run into the ground, but will increase (if possible) the level of corruption - just what we need - can we have a vote on this please - if we could on the congestion charge, and this is going to destroy Edinburgh even nmore, as anybody with a brain can tell, so why not? - we could hold it tomorrow and get this shower, councillors and senior management, out without any further delay
26

Parsons,

03/06/2009 13:41:32
"It is thought a shortlist of services will be drawn up by August with the first service set to be outsourced by Spring next year."

ha ha- whoever thought that doesn't know how slow things move in coonsil land!!

27

go boil ur heid,

03/06/2009 13:54:36
why not send the bill to g/brown it was his clown's that caused the debt in the first place. if they stopped the jobs for the boys mentality, and put people in the job who actually know what their doing we wouldn't be in this mess
28

NorT,

Edinburgh 03/06/2009 13:54:54
IT in the Council is already outsourced to BT and what an expensive mess it has been. Just read the reports under the Council Papers to see what a disaster this has been and the e-mail system is always collapsing.
29

Jeffrey Lebowski,

03/06/2009 14:33:00
#28 Yep. See #7 and #14.
30

Jeffrey Lebowski,

03/06/2009 14:34:36
#24 A Friend of Fernando Poo

This attempt at saving money is nothing to do with the tram project?
31

Foo,

03/06/2009 14:46:44
Anyone against the trams is most likely a mouth breather that wears trousers that reach to just above the ankle.
32

Jeffrey Lebowski,

03/06/2009 14:59:54
#31 I didn't say whether I'm against or for the trams.

CEC have been toiling financially for a while (years), so for #24 to suggest the problems in the banking industry has led to CEC needing to outsource services, to reduce costs is magical thinking as far as I'm concerned.

The fact that CEC has been struggling financially and then pushing forward with the badly planned tram project will not have helped their purse.

I the only issue I have with the trams project is the poor management, but we shouldn't be surprised. CEC are not known for good managment or organisation.
33

Foo,

03/06/2009 15:06:46
#32

That's OK, I wasn't directing my comment at you, more just generalising about anyone who takes the opposite view to me.
34

The Judge,

03/06/2009 15:38:33
Put every council workers name in a hat, draw them out one by one and sack every fifth person. We'd never notice a difference in service because the council is so overstaffed.

Drive along Walter Scott Ave today at 3.30pm and count the number of council "workers" hanging around waiting for their shift to end. They even beat their own record yesterday and showed up at 3.20pm.
35

Peter - very disappointed/concerned,

Edinburgh 03/06/2009 15:41:42
#31 Foo,

Anyone for the trams is most likely a mouth breather that wears trousers that reach to just above the knee (that includes any lady supporters).
36

Skip McClendon,

03/06/2009 15:48:38
#34

You're a tough Judge, wanting to decimate the council workforce. In fact, what you're proposing is TWICE as severe as decimation (that's one for all the Latin scholars out there)!

The Romans had noting on you. How are you at building roads? Or even tramlines?!?
37

Skip McClendon,

03/06/2009 15:49:08
The Romans had NOTHING on you...
38

antifa,

03/06/2009 16:49:29
"Stop giving free trips to disneyland for ASBO families!! (This is a fact and happens all the time)"

No, this is nonsense and never happens and has never happened.
39

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 18:14:03
32 Jeffrey Lebowski, 03/06/2009 14:59:54

so for #24 to suggest the problems in the banking industry has led to CEC needing to outsource services, to reduce costs is magical thinking as far as I'm concerned.


But True, Jeffrey clearly you haven't been falling the News (not the evening news) in this country

here's 3 links for starters

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/budget-to-herald-public-spending-cuts-1671317.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/24/budget-spending-cuts-alistair-darling

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=455398&in_page_id=2

and this is just not Local Government.

Wait until you taxes shoot up

The higher unemployment rises, the less money the government collects in Taxes, so there is less to spend.

A spiraling vicious circle, will we ever get out of it.

We've all been part of the Banks Greed, borrowing on the never never, then the Sh*t hits the fan and the TRUTH about the banks irresponsible gambling comes out , and we all pay for PRIVATE SECTOR greed.

Yip no more boom or bust, just Bust
40

Tynieweeguy,

03/06/2009 18:38:53
Yeap this'll work better just like the cleaner hospitals we have had since they done away with the cleaners and employed private companies to run the Hotel Services Departments
41

jimmy chung,

Edinburgh 03/06/2009 19:01:10
"6
Marian,
03/06/2009 12:05:55

Edinburgh should be hunting for a private firm to potentially take over the running of all its services in order to deliver even better value for money and eliminates wasteful bureaucracy.

Edinburgh should be currently looking at every single part of its operation. This should include looking to see if it can deliver its services in new or different innovative ways not yet considered by the public sector.

Outsourcing has a vital role to play in keeping council tax bills as low as possible and ensuring that the City's own operating costs are kept to an absolute minimum.

Outsourcing all services would drive up standards and save taxpayers’ cash by delivering the best quality of life for residents, whilst guaranteeing real value for money including a low level of council tax."

HAHAHAHAHA Very funny! :)
42

Pilrig,

Livingston 03/06/2009 19:13:23
trams trams trams
43

James (1),

03/06/2009 20:07:12
So this is what happens when the council fritter away public money.
I was under the impression it was a bottomless pit where public money was concerned.
Take for instance the installation of the bollards in Georges Street. That was done for free I believe as was all the traffic calming measures?
Install a no left turn as St.Colms street for safety you understand and then remove it because of tram works. Safety is no longer a priority and the change would have been done free of charge I am sure?

Why not set up a call centre in India so anyone wanting to contact Council services would call there? We would be saving a fortune. We pay the call taker the minimum wage (for their country).
Imagine the number of calls that would get hung up because you cannot understand the call taker. Result!
No call means no need to send out workmen so less workmen needed. So let's pay off a few of them!
This is a win, win situation.
44

Robert12,

03/06/2009 20:38:39
How much do folk pay factors?

Good luck privatising it all.
45

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 20:39:50
47 James

So this is what happens when the council fritter away public money. NOPE The £92m is a direct result of the PRIVATE SECTOR -

Namely The Banks and Financial Institutions playing with Money that they never had.

IOUs on a grand scale and then the IOUs were called in - The Result Billions and we mean Billions of taxpayers money Bailing the Banks out

But Yes the Councillors and Council Officials have wasted Millions over the years on Projects that failed or streets that they closed off, only for them to be reopened as part of the tram project


Best One I Heard was the bollards on the High Street.

Car had parked when they were lowered down and then raised.

Was the car stuck, nope it just drove through the space between them and off down Cockburn street
46

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 20:49:03
Here is an example of an Private Outsourced service at Edinburgh Council courtesy of BT

Parents say the move to pull the plug on Leith Academy is threatening their children’s education.

The controversy comes after the school was told it needed a new computer server, a piece of equipment used to share and store large computer files.

Instead of going through the city’s IT provider BT/Syntegra, which the school board claims could have cost up to £29,000, a £6000 machine was bought from an independent supplier.
47

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 20:55:45
and a wee bit more from another EN article

A MULTI-million pound deal between BT and the city council was today branded "scandalous" after it emerged that up to £13 is charged to "press a button" and reboot a school computer.
The confidential contract, leaked to the Evening News, also shows that changing a desktop password can cost £17, and the labour charge for installing a simple

software package rises to £108.

One worker today described the set-up as "mad", while IT experts blasted both the high prices and the length of time it can take for work to be done – such as a possible five-day wait to fix "loose cabling" at a cost of £13.


"Purchasing and installing a PC has a £180 labour charge – that's just a matter of plugging it in. The upgrades for RAM are also particularly expensive – that takes five minutes.
48

keit011,

03/06/2009 21:14:53
what is left for them to cut back on the services they provide are minimal at the best of times.it seems to me that things could only get better .its about time these council top brass take a wage cut and stop scrimping on the public side of things just for once
49

brianmca3,

auld reekie 03/06/2009 21:58:15
maybe they should outsource the councilors,might even get the job done better
50

brianmca3,

edinburgh 03/06/2009 22:02:04
bob that report was provided by edinburgh sucks,yet this paper didnt even have the manners to say thanks
http://www.edinburghsucks.com/2008/10/03/download-the-bt-prices-here/
51

Bob 2,

03/06/2009 22:17:02
brianmca3

good link, but the price list seems to have gone
52

Artemis,

03/06/2009 22:49:33
I can't think of a single example where privatisation has led to a better service or cheaper costs for customers.
53

Bob 2,

04/06/2009 10:21:27
GT

Check out your facts

As you well know this has got nothing to do with the Current or Previous administration of the Council.

The £92m is cutbacks in Public Expenditure courtesy of Gordon Brown and the Treasury down south as a direct result of the banks bail out.#

So GT for once you are wrong !!!!
54

Bob 2,

04/06/2009 12:15:12
57 Gorgie_Tony,Edinburgh

like myself, who voted for a sensible party.

and what Party was that Gorgie Tony?
55

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 04/06/2009 23:06:09
How do the council not get it and why do the SNP Executive ignore it? Look above how many people point to trams as running down Edinburgh - need to scrap now.

 

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