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Published Date: 25 June 2009
THE Local Hero director, Bill Forsyth, yesterday accused Donald Trump of "burying paradise under a car park" with his plans for a luxury golf resort.
The Scottish film-maker said yesterday he would happily write a film about the "machinations and cynicism" he saw behind the project.

Forsyth's classic film tells the story of an American oilman sent to a Scottish coastal village with the task of ruining it with a refinery. In the event he is seduced by the beauty of the village and the plan fails.

Speaking during a visit to the Edinburgh International Film Festival, the director said: "Donald Trump gets off a plane and wanders off to a Scottish beach, declares how beautiful it is and wants to destroy it."

He said he was not an environmental campaigner, though he had a ground-source heating system at his Loch Lomond home, with pipes drawing heat from the ground.

No fan of golf, he said he would be "quite against" the New York tycoon's plans for two championship golf courses, 950 holiday homes and 500 houses in the £1 billion project on the coast at Menie, Aberdeenshire.

Asked if he would consider making the development saga into a film, he said: "If someone made me an offer I would be quite happy to write it. I would go really dark, into the machinations behind it, and the cynicism behind something like that."

Describing Trump's project, he echoed the famous lyrics of Joni Mitchell's song Big Yellow Taxi. "He came to a paradise, and all he wanted to do was make it into a car park," he said.

Responding to Forsyth, Neil Hobday, project manager for Trump International Golf Links, said: "I think Bill Forsyth should come and speak to us first before making such misinformed and inaccurate statements. And he is very welcome to do so."

Local resident Molly Forbes, 85, is the mother of Michael Forbes, the campaigner against the project who has been compared in the press to Local Hero's beach-dweller, Ben Knox.

Mr Forbes owns land on the site of the planned development and has resisted all efforts to persuade him to sell it to Trump. Ms Forbes said: "When I moved here, I called it Paradise. This is Paradise, and Trump has just come and spoiled it. He should just go back home."

Forsyth, a legendary but reclusive figure in the Scottish film world, also revealed yesterday that Gregory's Girl, his hit comedy made for less than £200,000 in 1981, was still generating revenues of up to about £50,000 a year. He takes a percentage of the figure as writer and director.

"Gregory's Girl was the most successful movie, because it made 1,000 per cent of its original cost," he said.

Regular sales of TV rights in America or Europe bring in small but steady sums, he said – though he was recently paid just 14 cents for his share from a screening in Belgium.

Local Hero, by contrast, a bigger production in 1983 with a cast including Burt Lancaster, Peter Riegert, Jenny Seagrove and Peter Capaldi, took 15-20 years before any revenues came back, he said.

His first film was That Sinking Feeling, from 1970, which remains his favourite. He has not made a film in ten years since Gregory's Two Girls, which flopped.

Two years of controversy

DONALD Trump's plans to build "the best golf course in the world" in a £1 billion development project at Menie, Aberdeenshire have been mired in controversy since being announced in April 2007.

The plan, for two golf courses with nearly 1,500 housing units, was rejected by Aberdeenshire council, citing issues regarding wildlife, before being called in and approved by the Scottish Government.

Conservationists were particularly outraged that ministers allow the project to encroach on the Foveran links, a system of naturally shifting sand dunes, designated a site of special scientific interest by the European Union.

In 2005, a planned space film where the main cast live on a rickety space station for six months fell through because Hugh Grant was not available to star. Another project, about eastern Europeans in Britain, fell behind the times because of delays.

Mr Forsyth is developing a new film, Exile, with the Wanted producer and his friend, Iain Smith. It is not a comedy, but details have been kept secret.

Critics praise Forsyth's comedies for their gentle, mystical style. But in Gregory's Two Girls, his most political film, he opted for sharper satire, of the kind that could be turned on Trump's development.

The villain is a New Labour businessman who returns home to Scotland, ostensibly with an electronics company, but actually selling torture equipment.

Jonny Murray, a lecturer on film and visual culture at the Edinburgh College of Art, who interviewed Forsyth for the festival and is writing a book on his films, said: "I don't think the quality of the work has been surpassed by another Scottish film-maker, and his example creates a lot of confidence in the idea that feature films can be made in and about Scotland."


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  • Last Updated: 24 June 2009 11:40 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

Wait a minute,

Town 25/06/2009 00:10:19
New Labour ARE torture!
2

Duke,

25/06/2009 00:24:30
Scotland has enough golf courses, why do we need any more. Of course, its the houses that make the money for Trump.
3

Jo Flo,

Where's Sean Connory? 25/06/2009 00:56:54
Golf is a blight of many great things.
4

Edward,

25/06/2009 01:14:18
It should be noted that Bill Forsyth doesnt play Golf nor does he like the game

In the main the objectors to the development in Aberdeenshire are those that are from outside the area and want the area left untouchd and undeveloped
Left to those outsiders Scotland economy would be forever fixed in a time warp of rurality
5

Blue Tooner,

25/06/2009 01:45:24
Aye, go for it Bill. Sir Sean would make a brilliant Michael Forbes! Just what the Scottish government needs to help it hit some of its green targets (no pun intended there). More houses + bigger airport + more flights and tourists = less Co2 ? No, I don't think it works like that Alex.
6

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 02:15:28
Good for you Bill!

It is about time more "names," local or otherwise spoke their minds about this - I've heard that a good number have felt the need to remain unattributable because of pressure from certain quarters to support the scheme.
7

W Smith,

Middle East 25/06/2009 07:13:18
Bill Forsyth should write about his disasterous spell in Hollywood.

Forgotten already, eh Bill?

"Being Human" starring Robin Williams.

How many millions was wasted on this disaster?

"Forsyth, a LEGENDARY but reclusive figure"

Eh... ..... not in Hollywood.

8

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

25/06/2009 07:35:21
'Conservationists were particularly outraged that ministers allow the project to encroach on the Foveran links, a system of naturally shifting sand dunes, designated a site of special scientific interest by the European Union.'

SSSIs have nothing to do with the EU. Their designation is the responsibility of the Scottish Government (now) or its predecessors.

The EU has responsibility for SPA and SAC designations, neither of which applies to the Menie site. If these were relevant, the plans would never have got off the ground.
9

Alan, New Zealand,

Leeds 25/06/2009 07:35:27
What about one Golf course and half as many buildings thereby saving a site of special scientific interest, a beautiful area and a wildlife sactuary. Not compromise just common sense. Still creates employment and a tourist attraction. We don't have to destroy everthing in the name of progress.
10

The Glasgow Ranger,

Edinburgh. 25/06/2009 07:38:21
Bill Foryth - yesterdays hero.
11

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

25/06/2009 08:11:55
No. 9 - This is Trump you are talking about. Neither compromise nor common sense are concepts that the man understands. Nor does our Supreme Leader, Mr Salmond, or his sidekick Swinney.
12

A Crofter,

Green Arce 25/06/2009 08:58:32
Nary a mention of the ensuing carbon emissions in FatMan's bent public inquiry.
13

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25/06/2009 09:23:59
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Tartan Bond,

25/06/2009 09:31:03
Wait a minute # 1

What has this got to do with Labour?
It is Salmond and his crew that have sold us out here. They bent into all shapes to accommodate Trump, who was only too keen to manipulate the SNP.
15

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 25/06/2009 09:42:34
Scotland needs lots more golf courses.

Golf should be made compulsory. I'm writing to Salmond about it.
16

Prudence,

25/06/2009 09:48:13
Yes , I can see it now "Meet me at Menie " the best comedy ever , starring Sir Sean as Michael Forbes, Hugh Grant as Martin Ford , Elaine C Smith as local quine Sarah Malone, Gregor Fisher as "the Donal" , Barbara Rafferty as Debra Storr , Tony Roper as David Milne ,with Robin Williams and Ben Stiller as American golfers who thought the luxury golf courses were up and running.
17

ianpg,

Musselburgh 25/06/2009 09:53:28
Donald Trump is a businessman who will 'raise the bar' in terms of what Scotland has to offer tourism. What's wrong with having a prestigious golf course and luxury facilities? Although I'm not a golfer, I've had a look at Mr. Trump's other courses and quite frankly, what he has planned will be a significant improvement over the bleak, tortured looking landscape there just now.
18

Sedov,

25/06/2009 10:09:55
#17 - Trump will be delighted over your fawning praise of him and the huge favour he is doing for Scotland in building another golf course for the rich and famous.

It will be interesting to see what his pay rates will be to his workforce and how many local people will be employed.

Your not on his payroll by any chance?
19

Dr K G,

JEDDAH 25/06/2009 10:16:25
There is one line from Local Hero (from the Russian to the American when he's getting sentimental) that I've kept in my heart "You can't eat scenery!"
As a pragmatic Scot who has had to work abroad for 30 years - rather than sit unemployed in Scotland, gazing at a calendar-pic "paradise" - I think the Trump project should go ahead. It's best to create work in one area and thus help preserve all the other bits. It's normal that the local authority thinks local and it's the Scottish government's duty to see the bigger, long-term picture.
20

Florence,

Edinburgh 25/06/2009 10:19:30
It's about time for another negative story in The Scotsman re the Trump development. It must be all of...er....a week since it was last mentioned. However, we can expect a double-page spread nearer the time of the election.
21

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

25/06/2009 10:32:40
If anyone is in any doubt as to the character of the man Salmond and Swinney have cosied up to, read this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/5bn-the-cost-of-saying-donald-trump-is-a-mere-millionaire-1687222.html. No. 17, take note.
22

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 10:33:55
#19

That part of Aberdeenshire has one of the lowest levels of unemployment in the entire UK - That and the four hundred bed staff barracks in the plan suggests that Trump certainly ain't looking to take-on much more than a few token locals.

Besides, Scotland earns far more money directly from exactly the sort of land type he proposes to destroy than it ever earns from golf. Which has been on the skids for years now, despite a tenfold increase in public investment to promote it.

There is simply no economic case for this scheme beyond housing.
23

Tartan Bond,

25/06/2009 10:34:28
Sedov # 18

Trump is gambling on Scotland's independence and that Salmond will do away with the minimum wage.
24

Josiecamp,

San Francisco 25/06/2009 10:35:12
#17 little do you know of what you speak! Mr Trump and his exploits were stopped in Canada and we here have succeeded in preventing him from abusing our landscape.
#18 you are absolutely correct in pointing out that Trump Development Inc. has a record of employee abuse equal to WAL-MART.
25

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 10:39:50
Their economic argument in favour of the golf course isn't quite as straight forward as is claimed. It seems to be forgotten that SSIs and most wildlife/nature reserves also attract visitors, what I call eco-tourists, and in Scotland a lot of them come from abroad - German, Holland, even the USA. Much of it is outside money coming into the local economy. So, these places are not barren economic wastelands, as some of the golf course supporters would have us believe. The difference is that you will probably get more money from a handful of golfers than from a mass of the "eco-tourists" that are already part contributing to the local economy. But what will happen to the money coming in from those outsiders? Will the building of the course be done by local workers ... or labour from outside? You can bet it will be from those who are willing to accept the least pay, and I'll also bet many, even most, of them will be from Europe, probably Eastern Europe, and most of their wages will go back home to Poland or where ever they come from. Plus, the visitors to the golf course will generally be wealthier folk, and their preferences for accommodation will probably be big hotels on site or a long drive away from the local community, and the income from the bigger on-site hotels will most probably go outside the local too (especially if Mr Trump owns them) save for a handful the cleaning staff! And even they will probably be competing for job by cheap labour imported from the Phillipines or some other such country. Plus the experts in the hotel management, or restaurant waiting and cooking staff will almost certainly go to people imported from outside the area, because it's unlikely the local community would be able to offer enough, or any, hotel managers, chefs/cooks and silver service waiting staff with the right experience and training. In other words, the golfers may generate a larger income than the eco-tourists but I seriously question how much of it will be invest
26

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 10:42:13
...invested in the local commnunity, and it won't be a case of more, or many more, jobs for local people, either.
27

Dod fae Aiberdeen,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 10:43:20
#3 - it's a flamin' golf course, nae a nuclear reactor. Get a grip.
28

siochain,

Oregon, USA 25/06/2009 10:44:39

Better to "err" on the side of caution. Money can't buy nature. # 17, you should get out more. What? The natural world is " bleak and tortured ?? Some people value nature, as do other life forms. Golf courses are notorious polluters,
pesticides, mercury, etc. right into your water supply and into the ocean. Do you really NEED another golf course? I don't know, I don't care about golf, understand some people love it. They even watch it on TV ! (boring!!) Some crave the development money. Then there's the rationale of almighty jobs ( as lawn mowers? Hotel cleaners? ) Once you sell it to Mister Big Bucks , it's gone for good. Do Scots like him because his name is Donald ??? THE Donald built some hideous monuments to his money on the Manhattan skyline, Right on the waterfront. Plain Black boring rectangular monoliths, eclipsing layers of older, integrated architechure. Where is Prince Charles when you need him? Just goes to prove, money can't buy taste. But then, all you need to do is look at THE Donald's hairdo to see that in spades ! What a nerd!
29

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 10:45:07
Another thing to bear in mind is that the independant/eco-tourist market is much more likely to seek-out and genuinely spend their money where it is more likely to remain in the area concerned. Not on pre-booked packages from some far-off corporation who will do their best to ensure that as much as possible stays in their hands, not ours.
30

Prudence,

25/06/2009 10:48:54
#16
PS. Also starring Jack Nicholson as a Canadian financier wanting his money back .
31

Prudence,

25/06/2009 11:16:51
The natural world isn't "bleak and tortured ". Its the people who see it as such.
32

Pete R ,

eco-land 25/06/2009 11:21:24
We go eco-touring and we spend our £5 on a cup of tea and a postcard then move on. Minimum impact.

I doubt I'd go far to look at some sand dunes though, I've seen plenty.
33

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 11:22:39
#29 mobocaster. Exactly!
34

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 11:28:03
#32 Pete R
I think sand dunes are all different(because of the wildlife that live on, or depend, on them, whereas all golf course look the same to me - sterile!
35

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 11:30:30
#31 Prudence.

Funny you should say that: As I've just written for Pete R, to my eyes, golf courses look bleak and sterile because there is much more life in uncut grasses and shrubs than on pristine cut lawns.
36

Blue Tooner,

25/06/2009 11:48:36
I see the Scottish Government has included flights in their ambitious CO2 emissions reduction targets. That's great, but they continue to fervently support this project which is clearly aimed at getting more people to fly into Scotland to play or watch golf.
How can we reduce flights AND increase flights? These people are nuts!
37

Prudence,

25/06/2009 11:52:36
We need to have access to as many wild areas as possible to replemish the soul. Thats the whole point of considering the lillies of the field, rather than cementing over them .
38

meerkatcampaigner,

Scotland 25/06/2009 11:56:37
Bill Forsyth's comments show how much opposition there is to this project. It is obvious that Alex Salmon is in Trump's pocket and is willing to destroy Scottish natural heritage in the name of the economy. But not even the economy will really benefit, most of the money will go to Trump, the area will be enclosed and provide only a few, low paid jobs. The tourism will only be to Trump as his luxury housing resort fronted by a golf course will be contained and provide all the rich golfers want leaving. It's funny how he managed to bypass all regular planning application for all those luxury homes and villas. And now he is trying to remove people from their homes.

This project is an affront to the Scottish people and their environment. Support the growing movement against the campaign. Email trippinguptrump@googlemail.com for more information.
39

Pete R ,

eco-land 25/06/2009 12:00:17
#34 Nellie,
I've not been to the dunes in question but my experience of sand dunes is that there isn't a lot of wildlife in them. Maybe some burrows. You slip on steep bits, get sand in your shoes and flies can be a nuisance.

Many golf courses have trees, bushes, ponds and streams that attract wildlife and the grass isn't unattractive.

As I'd never heard of the area before a golf course was proposed I'm finding it hard to believe it's somewhere that is attracting a lot of visitors, which speaks for itself.
40

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25/06/2009 12:11:27
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Blue Tooner,

25/06/2009 12:13:25
39. Just cos you can't see them doesn't mean they're not there. It's the tiny creepy crawlies at the bottom of the food chain that make the whole thing work. Without them there wouldn't be a food chain. Without flies and the like crops wouldn't be pollinated. No food. We all die. Simples!
PS Following on from 36, how about Ford Kiernan as a barking mad FM?
42

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 12:23:37
Pete R. 39

Well, if you were to visit the sand dunes between, say Formby and Southport, you would find an abundance of wildwife and fauna, noting (of course) that not all sand dunes are just sand but have much growing on them. Given the example I mentioned you will find very rare sand and common lizards and one of the few remaining populations of Natterjack toads. You would also find possible the most densely populated area fr nesting Skylarks. Then there are rare butterflies and orchids and some of the most unusual colourings and patterned snails. Then there are Reed Buntings, warblers, finches, the usual crows and Magpies, Sparrowhawks coming in for the occassional meal, other raptors flying through, etc. etc. But of course, there are some dunes, mostly those nearest the high watermark that have large areas of just sand and it does get inside your shoes! But even they have unusual insects living off and in them. And anyway, even those with just bare sand mostly have a covering of Marram grass, in which various insects find things to eat and upon which some mammals. We even have some foxes with a den in the dunes, they feasting mostly on the huge population of rabbits who have their burrows in very stable areas of the dunes landscape. Then there are other creatures that come onto, or above the dunes to feed - for example, some rare (protected species) bats sometimes feed right ab ove the most bald dunes of an evening because there is an abundance of flying insects in those seemingly, but not, barren areas of the dunes complex.
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Tartan Bond,

25/06/2009 12:27:12
Trump is a scavenger. He does not want to build a golf complex at Menie for the benefit of the locals, it is all for the benefit of Trump, with Salmond as his sidekick. It is nauseating to remember Scotland's first minister servilely jumping out of bed, at any time of night,or, day, to sprint to Trump's side at Trumps command. Changing in his official car from his williewinky nightgown into a suit just to accommodate Trump.
Trump has a new kind of suit in mind for Salmond now though, it is not a lounge suit that he now wears, but, the kind of suit made for car park attendants.
Trump and Salmond have demeaned the office of Scotland's first minister with their, as Bill Forsyth puts it, machinations.
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Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 12:27:14
PS You'd not find many of those species nestling happily on a golf course, altho you would get worm eating birds as black birds and the thrushes, of course. But Skylarks? Lizards? Natterjack toads? et al? Too precious little for them to feed on and no breeding/nesting sites!
45

Distalgesic,

25/06/2009 12:47:46
Did Trump have to allocate a percentage of the 500 houses to the local council like every other builder has to do?
46

overton,

balmedie 25/06/2009 12:52:30
Forsyth wants to have a wander down to 'Paradise' and see the scrap yard that has been created by our own environmentally aware 'Local Hero'.

The sooner the landscaping work for the golf courses and associated development starts the better - more jobs and business for the North East!
47

Electric Hermit,

25/06/2009 12:57:37
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W Smith

"Bill Forsyth should write about his disasterous spell in Hollywood."

I doubt if Bill Forsyth would accept the quaint notion that success in Holywood is the measure of a man.

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Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 13:51:20
#46 overton
I suggest your expectations for more jobs FOR LOCAL PEOPLE are too optimistic - see my post #25/26
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25/06/2009 13:51:35
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Mince Pie Supper,

25/06/2009 14:08:25
Ooooh, Bill Forsythe is gonna make a film.

Bet Trumpy and his cat are keekin it.
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donnelly,

Dundee 25/06/2009 14:21:59
~47 & ~46 totally agree with your direction, and in an overall review of comments above...
#17 ianpg,Musselburgh ...that must be seom panarama you get from your house in Musselburgh that gives you such an everyday view to make you assumptions of bleakness ?
#7 W Smith, agree with #47 and think you have missed the idea of the tie in here with this story, in that the movie Local Hero was a play on a detromental view of a land development ..ie similar theory to this gold course and not a profile of the directors past ..plus along with #19 Dr KG Jeddah ...in all honesty guys, hardly think form your "current location" headers you can be placed as Bastions of Development in areas of natural beauty ??? ...spent many tyears there ...and only remember boring horizons of sand, dust and fly's interspaced with boring concrete buildings of towns. Any potential to appreciate the region and its views were on the plane going home.

Finally as for the belief that there will be manna from heaven with great working conditions and unbeleviable wealth in fantastic salaries for all the locals in the region ?. ..hmm? ...would not hold my breath on that...think only money to be made will be from selling foreign language newspapers ???

But if you believe in all the hype and promises are true ....then you could make some money shooting the new wildlife ....flying pigs !!!
52

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 25/06/2009 14:40:43
Trump is one of the most objectionable, obnoxious and arrogant individuals I've ever come across. He cares not a jot for the Scottish environment, nor for the Scottish economy. He cares about stuffing as many $$$ into his bank account as will fit, and will steamroller anyone who gets in his way.

Mr. Forbes - stick to your guns Sir, and don't sell out to this pr*ck!
53

Media at One,

25/06/2009 14:53:21
Does Bill Forsyth have a home? Is that home built on land that USED to be farm land?
Did he attend a university? Was the site where that building stands once open a free from mans architecture?
Has Bill ever played a round of golf and was that piece of land always a golf course? Has Forsyth used a road lately and what was that road before? Does our Bill drive a car? I rest my case, all these hypocrites should write books about hypocrisy and its effects on society.
If you're not an envoronmental campaigner Bill, then stop campaigning. Or are you merely doing some advertising looking for a money man who will offer you the chance to write a movie?
54

Abel Magwitch,

25/06/2009 14:54:16
Far be it from me to defend Donald Trump, but let us be fair. In the last 50 years, huge acreages of Scotland's green and pleasant land have already been paved over by our own "local heroes" in the construction industry with full permission from the planning authorities and elected councils. And yet the population of Scotland has hardly changed in 50 years and neither have the employment prospects...if anything they are worse than they were. "Local Hero" was a good movie but it should not be confused with facts.
55

Mince Pie Supper,

25/06/2009 15:00:19
SOFBTRC, have you met Donnie then?

How can you say these things about the poor guy when he isn't here to defend himself.

Do you not want to stuff your bank account full of money too or is your daughter the one who overdrew 1p yesterday?
56

John Jacques,

25/06/2009 15:00:39
What trump wants Trump gets.
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25/06/2009 15:07:33
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Blue Tooner,

25/06/2009 15:24:03
55. Not sure "poor guy" is an apt description of Mr. Trump. He's already demonstrated how he can manipulate a whole country and its Government to suit his needs. He's more than capable of looking after himself!
57. Gordon Brown's recession? I'm no big fan of the man but I certainly wouldn't blame him for the recession. That's just daft.
How about Leslie Nielsen as The Donald?
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25/06/2009 15:33:46
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harry lewes de,

25/06/2009 15:34:34
I believe in the free market but have any of you native scots seen what trump builds. All of his development schemes are tacky if not down right tawdry. trump reminds me of a "legit" (Rebus) gerald mccafferty.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 25/06/2009 15:36:02
60 Harry*

Everything in America is tacky!
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25/06/2009 15:37:48
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 25/06/2009 15:38:41
62 Darth*

On my infrequent visits...so do i!
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mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 15:48:43
#59 - "Scotland - a rich people's playpark, where we can all tug our forelocks, "

Is that not a near exact description of the tourist-related part of Trump's plan then?

Why should we desert our established industries and economic strengths to get used to that then?

And IMO, far more of the money from a B&B or local/regional scale hotel would go back to this area than anything Trump will ever willingly spend here.

After all, he will need as much income as possible to finance his loan repayments on the scheme, or to stave-off the next bankruptcy settlement.
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Blue Tooner,

25/06/2009 15:52:06
58. "a rich people's playpark, where we can all tug our forelocks." Your words Spagan, not mine, but you've summed up my feelings about this whole affair. That's why I feel so strongly about this issue. Whether it's a shooting estate or a golf course or homes for the insanely rich, it's all the same, the pride of the nation is being sold down the river! Why not just put the whole country on ebay?
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Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 16:09:50
#65 Blue Tooner.
What price for Buy it Now? Seriously, I think you're on the button with this.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 25/06/2009 16:18:03
Sorry but the local people were the ones who wanted this development...all of the objections came from three groups..environmentalists (Trump has amended his plans to do what he can)..tha anti-SNP brigade and those relics who believe Scotland should be preseved as a museum piece!

Interesting to note that the Irish were bending over backwards to try and lure Trump there.

The local people want it and Scotland needs it...simple as that! Don't remember this carry on when the oil companies and nuclear stations moved in!

Where were all the bird twitchers and anti-SNP brigade then?
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Susan Caroline Periano,

Pottstown Pa, USA 25/06/2009 16:19:17
Creating jobs and respecting the environment can work hand in hand. For instance, things like car parks can be built underground to preserve the beauty of the land. Mr. Trump's natural talent to build well respected places needs to be acknowledged. He's more than fair in compromising with environmental specialists. Scotland needs a good financial boost and Mr. Trump is the person to deliver.
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 25/06/2009 16:19:41
If everyone is so cocerned about Scotland being a playground for the rich....you will all be signing a petition to remove sporting estates from Scotland then?
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mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 16:26:14
#67

Sorry Nevsky but you are talking rubbish - There has always been substantial local opposition to the scheme.

And Trump's amendments have been next to nothing - In fact, his steadfast refusal to meet anyone even part-way has been one of the main contributing factors to the whole mess. If he had been prepared to work with anyone, he could have won-over a lot of those opposed to him.

As for Ireland - That was merely a petulant ruse, the development and environmental laws there made it a total non-starter.
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mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 16:30:22
#69

Some of us have been working to that end for a very long time now - Check out the success of the various community buy out schemes in other parts of Scotland.
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JR Ewing,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 16:37:27
46

It would appear that our "Local Hero" has made no attempt to tidy up the " skip" which purports to be a farm. Its obvious that many people posting here have never set foot in Scotland never mind Menie.

70
There is overwhelming local support for the development
Just the same little group of noisy ecofreaks numbering less than fifty acting like flies in the ointment
73

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 16:41:55
#72

Rot! - And you know it. I know plenty of locals who are both unconnected with any opposition and horrified by the scheme.

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Nevsky;,

Moscow 25/06/2009 16:59:58
70 and 71 Mob*

I know about the buyout schemes but unfortunately you can't do much with bog and turf. The buyout schemes are a better proposal for communities i agree (in some cases)...Knoydart has done very well for the incomers in caravans now selling their plots for £200k!

As for the trump scheme you are wrong. The evening express and the p&j had the largest influx of letters in it's history in favour of the scheme.

Noone seems to mention the Niclaus course or that dour git Lawries course...where are the objectors there?
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overton,

aberdeen 25/06/2009 17:16:17
72 - You are perfectly correct. The overwhelming majority sought approval for this development from day one.
Only a tiny, but vocal, minority of objectors are/were against the scheme and most of them are not local - unlike the scrapyard hero of the dunes who is actually from the area but obviously treats the links with contempt.
76

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 17:17:21
They also had a substantial number in opposition, but most of those were overlooked/deleted.

Never mind that much-discussed poll that got pulled when it looked like going against Trump.

Anyway, neither of these were very adequate measures of popularity either way.

No, maybe because those developers took a lot more care to respect the various plans, polices and involved local opinion in the pre-planning stage? Then again, neither of them had anything like the amount of sensitive issues that Trump & his guys simply trampled over.
77

Shuggie,

Canada 25/06/2009 17:18:04
What a pity that the Donald, like most of the rest of the world (but not, apparently, Bill Forsyth} has not realised that chasing a wee ball round a field with a stick is an example of early Scottish humour!
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Nevsky;,

Moscow 25/06/2009 17:23:34
76 mob*

It's not an F1 racetrach being built and Trump has changed his plans and IS working with the twitchers to try and keep as much undistubed as possible.

Trump 'walked' all over noone...ask the locals in 10 years about it? Trump has always maintained that he will build a world class course and facility...that has to be welcomed!

What is the alternative option? 1 extra B&B for the upsurge in interest in the lesser spotted Latvian sand-eel pidgeon?
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 25/06/2009 17:41:52
Nice bit of publicity Bill. Short of a bob or two? Can't afford a publicist?

Given that the majority of locals, businesses and politicians support the development, the "Local Hero" analogy just doesn't wash. The movie would be called "Local Traitor."

I know a couple of locals who could star in it.

Next year the UK will have 3,000,000 unemployed, taxes will be higher, mortgage interest rates will be higher, fuel costs will be higher. We need all of the foreign investment we can get.
80

Nellie,

Liverpool 25/06/2009 18:09:01
#69 Nevsky
Just point me to the petition - I'll sign it!
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Number 6,

Germany 25/06/2009 19:50:48
Good Grief !!! it's the return of the peasantry.

Hilarious that Labour tried their very best to seal this deal . Of course, they were simply not capable
and if it was not for the SNP, this huge investment
into Scotland would have been lost.

This is way over the heads of the unionista flock, hence how simple it has been to deploy them foaming at the mouth.

How wretched.
82

Annlass,

Toronto 25/06/2009 19:55:53
#40 spagan, please read #24 and then follow the little red bouncing ball. By using the term "I don't care.." you say it all, bring in cheap labour standards, low paying jobs and keep the world's exploiters rich at the expense of people who do care. I suggest that your patriotism begins and ends with the label on the bottle. #56 John Jacques, ditto to read #24..what Trump wants he does not always get...Why do the Scots have such an inferiority complex that they are ready to sell their sovereignty for a pot of potage and then agree to throw in the pot?
83

Scottyt,

Saint Paul, Usa 25/06/2009 20:02:25
It has nothing at all to do with either playing golf of liking golf; Donald Trump should stay home and ruin some part of New England perhaps where the coastline is very pretty.
Scotland does indeed have enough golf courses but it is the number of houses, etc. he's planning that is very, very scary; not to mention ALL the cars, etc which will blight the area.
Tourism is one thing and important to Scotland, but this is obscene. I don't know how he gets his monies but last year he filed for bankruptcy; yet AGAIN.
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Andrew BOD,

Aberdeenshire 25/06/2009 20:28:08
Hi Saint Scotty

Thanks for letting us know we have enough golf courses, and we're really glad of your opinion on how those scary, scary cars and houses will blight our area.

I suppose you'd like to get rid of Haliburton, Baker Oil, etc from the area as well? Taking all this profit from oil back to the US and clearing out when it's all gone.

That's what the free market and capitalism is all about. Even communist China is doing it. US companies have created jobs, expertise and wealth in our area already. It's nothing new.

Freedom of speech is a great thing. Using it in the correct context is quite another matter.
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Number 6,

Germany 25/06/2009 20:36:21
Scottyt,

you will be sad to hear Trump is rolling in cash.
He earns 3 million dollars per EPISODE for "The Apprentice."


Just by licencing his name, to be used on public buildings, casinos and hotels, has brought in over 560 million.

That is just a fraction of his worth.
86

Scottish Canadian,

Ottawa canada 25/06/2009 21:48:27
#84-What is your opinion on this development? We all come to the table with our preconceived notions of what Mr. Trump is doing to the world and whether a free market economy can be positively influenced by environmental concerns.
I am interested to hear your views as you are a resident of the location in question. Will this help or hurt Aberdeenshire? Are the people of this area behind this project? What do the Scots think of Mr. Trump? Are there too many golf courses in your fine country? Are high-intensity dwellings a good thing for Scotland?
87

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 25/06/2009 22:00:26
Sorry Bill Forsyth, you are no legend. "Gregory's Girl" and "Local Hero" are two of the most boring flims I have ever watched - not so much a case of weak plots as no plots at all. No wonder you didn't make it in Holywood - they must have been bored to tears.

It's noble to speak up for the environment, but not when you are plugging another pointless movie. That's not noble, it is just boring.
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A Crofter,

Trumplicking Arce of Perversity 25/06/2009 23:41:06
Spagan - Tread lightly on Heisker.

Unlike Trump City (formerly Menie SSSI), you allegedly reside on a site protected by EU law.

Slainte Mhor.

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Tom Cambeul,,

North 26/06/2009 03:40:18
Ah yes, trumpland, formerly known as Scotland. I am sure that he has purchased the necessary politicians.
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G-unit123,

Aberdeen 26/06/2009 14:37:14
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trouble-in-trump-town-as-tycoons-fortune-dwindles-1047081.html
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StuartandScottish,

Aberdeen 26/06/2009 19:40:30
Neil Hobday is known as quite a devious individual who has previously swindled a lot of money out of people in an earlier project. His integrity and honesty leaves a lot to be desired.
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Proud to have Scots blood,

Brooklyn, N.Y. 27/06/2009 14:19:25
Keep Mr. Trump from ruining the landscape....tell him he's welcome to visit but not to touch anything....in the end developers care for one thing only, how much money they will make.

 

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