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Published Date: 29 December 2008
PLANS to build hundreds of homes at US tycoon Donald Trump's golf resort are on hold because of a slow-down in the property market, his managing director said today.
George Sorial, who helped steer the Menie Estate resort plan in Aberdeenshire through a sometimes torturous two-year process, said the real estate part could take several years.

But the New York-based lawyer hinted more projects could be coming to
the UK – possibly Scotland again – once the north east development is under way.

He said: "The way we envisage it is that the golf course is full speed ahead. With the golf comes a club house and maintenance facilities, then the hotel.

"The homes could take several years. We can't help but acknowledge the slow-down in the market.

"We have to sell them, so we're not going to build anything until it feels right.

"Markets will change. Whenever we have a cycle like this, a bad real estate market is followed by a period of rapid, aggressive growth.
"There is, and will be, a demand for homes."

He said local needs demanded thousands of homes annually.

"Our project is a drop in the bucket," he added.

Mr Trump's plans, which include two 18-hole golf courses, 950 holiday homes and 500 houses, were rejected by an Aberdeenshire Council committee last year before being called in by the Scottish Government and approved in November.

The plans faced strong opposition from environmental groups such as Scottish Natural Heritage and local campaigners because part of the golf course will be on a protected area of dunes.

The economic downturn has had other effects on the proposed project, which was heralded as a £1 billion development.

Mr Sorial said the change in exchange rates between sterling and the US dollar had cut costs to the Trump Organisation.

When the project started, £1 was worth almost two dollars, he said. Now Mr Sorial predicts about 500,000 US dollars has been wiped off construction costs.

"Oil has plummeted. The price of raw materials has plummeted," he said.
"Two years ago you couldn't find contractors to do the work. Now for the work we're doing we had 10 different offers."

Earlier this month (December), work began to renovate historic Menie House for Mr Trump's family on the former shooting estate near Balmedie, north of Aberdeen.

Interest in membership and the future homes has been "overwhelming", Mr Sorial said.

And he suggested there could be more projects to come.

"I wouldn't be surprised if we made some announcements in 2009 all over the world," he said.

"When we have a market like today, there's a lot of opportunity for a developer with cash.

"I could be talking about Scotland and the UK. People will pleasantly surprised. This time next year, there will be no doubt about our intentions to Scotland."

He said there were regular talks with councillors in the Western Isles over potential projects in Lewis, where his mother and Mr Trump's mother were born.

Mr Sorial continued: "It's a place we're fond of for obvious reasons. We're evaluating a number of opportunities."

Green MSP Patrick Harvie said: "It should come as no surprise that Donald Trump has changed his plans already – throughout the whole process his organisation has behaved with supreme arrogance as though his money gives him the right to demand whatever he wants regardless of the rights of others.

"Scotland should not be turned into a playground for the super rich, and we should cultivate higher aspirations in our young people than the dream of becoming bag carriers for wealthy loudmouths."



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  • Last Updated: 29 December 2008 2:17 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Donald Trump
 
1

langdugs,

georgemas 29/12/2008 14:49:26
Bought and sold for Yankee gold, what a parcel of rogues in a nation!
2

Larsen1952,

Federal Way, Washington USA 29/12/2008 14:56:51
Trump should be listed as a disease.
3

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 29/12/2008 14:59:00
So much for the scheme being "fully funded & ready to go then"

I hope someone is reading Swinney's conditions to see how this "delay" should impact on the progress of the rest of the scheme.
4

Nebulous,

Aberdeen 29/12/2008 15:09:18
As far as I can recall the conditions were that the golf course should be built first. Some people had suggested that they might build the houses and not get round to doing the golf course.
5

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 29/12/2008 15:43:42
If this outfit is as solvent as they say,wouln't it be a good idea to build the houses to coincide with the upturn in a few years? Mr Trump is a speculator,if he thinks that a quick dollar could be made elswhere he will drop this scheme. " Our project is a drop in the bucket".Doesn't that say it all? While he is at it, he should shove his golf course where the sun don't shine i.e. the Isle of Lewis.
6

Publius,

London 29/12/2008 16:33:47
I told you so!

I - and several others - have said again and again on this board that Trumpville would be scratched. I hope that the nationalist fanatics who support the proposal will now apologise for their shortsightedness and then shut up.
7

It's life but not as we know it,

The Oort Clouds 29/12/2008 16:58:18
This story is so funny and sad. Read back on the previous stories and threads about Trump. The wiser amongst us told you back then that Trump is a charlatan with debts everywhere and his claims to have "$1 billion dollars in a bank account ready to go in Aberdeen" were complete balderdash. Only Alex Salmond and other numpties could possibly have believed that.

Bye bye, Trump.
8

Schot,

29/12/2008 17:20:38
@2

Langdugs was paraphrasing the Burns poem "Such a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation". It refers to a Scottish elite selling out our country to a dominant foreign power for their own financial gain. Do we have to explain to you why that applies to the Trump-town debacle?
9

Observer..,

Glasgow 29/12/2008 17:26:14
This news is as predictable as rain. Where was he going to get the money from, even without the credit crunch. He's a Walter Mitty. What a lot of fuss about nothing.
10

Ewan Oosami,

29/12/2008 17:50:04
I've always doubted that Trump ever intended to build houses. His main concern is a golf/leisure complex which will earn him mega bucks, the 'planned' houses were appeasement to the council - they won't earn him much, not even enough to buy a decent wig.
11

Churchill W.,

29/12/2008 17:52:38
Trump hasn't laid a brick on this project yet and George Sorial is already hinting of more goodies to come for Scotland. I hope, for once, that I am wrong on this, but, it appears Trump has led the SNP by the snout here and he is still playing them. Trump's promises will not butter any scones, he should have been made to deposit a healthy chunk of his disposable $1bn as a condition of getting planning for that project. By virtue of having planning at Menie Trump can sell the project on and make a profit and not have laid a single brick. But, this was predicted, the SNP have been gulled by a professional.
Birds of a feather...they say con artists are the easiest to con.
12

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 29/12/2008 18:41:29
Since Trump has reneged on his promise to build part of this complex (even if temporary),this government should rescind planning permission without delay,as he (Trump)could easily sell off his interest meantime. There are grounds,since there was supposed to be $1bn.in the kitty,the present downturn shouldn't affect that kind of money.All hokum I think.
13

The Strategist,

29/12/2008 18:46:48
How come we can comment on this which is of real little importance but can't comment at all on the stories related to Israel's air attacks on Gaza?
14

SkeptikScot,

29/12/2008 18:50:01
No surprise really. This is a man who built his fortune on a proprty empire. Given what's happening to property prices worldwide, I wouldn't be surprised if he was close to the edge (as before). His apparent wealth may all be smoke and mirrors.
15

Churchill W.,

29/12/2008 18:54:02
Lewis Draughts Man # 13

Nothing is being built. Salmond has only got George Sorial's word that anything will happen. Let's face it, this project has been chipped into the rough.
Whatever, the word is out, Trump has made clowns of the SNP.
16

Churchill W.,

29/12/2008 19:26:32
ploughmans lunch # 19

Only Salmond puckered up for Trump and kissed it, eagerly.

Traditional cheesey fare from you!
17

Myosotis,

29/12/2008 20:07:13
The credit crunch is clearly a serious setback for the Menie development since the houses and hotel were meant to pay for the course construction.

Of course, Donald Trump could reduce construction costs greatly if he moved the course off the SSSI and didn`t have to pay for the transplanting of 35 ha of species-rich vegetation.

So we wait the detailed plans for the courses with much interest. The Inquiry inspectors said they saw plenty of scope for the holes to be moved, and Donald Swinney has quietly endorsed this view.

If Trump sticks to his plan put to the Inquiry in summer 2008, then battle will resume with the environmental organisations.

And with the prospect of work starting and never being completed, the Aberdeenshire councillors will surely be much more cautious in judging the detailed plans than they were with the outline plan.
18

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 29/12/2008 20:44:18
The kitty is heraldry. It's the CREDIT you can issue. Of which the Bank of England can loan plenty (as it's created by them out of nothing - it has the monopoly for this) to Brown's government.

It's faith or confidence in this currency that matters, not what you or me could buy with it. Less and less in fact.

If you think it's inevitible that scottish currency could only be issued by the Bank of England, then that's what you think. Other peoples have got round to printing their own bills of exchange such as New Zealand and Finland.
19

gordon'sboomhasbust,

trumpton 29/12/2008 20:52:10
Trump should get a number one cut haircut and then I might take him seriously. What's going on with that sweepback of his?
And a golf course in one of the coldest parts of the civilised world ? Beggars belief really. I can't get out of the car at Aberdeen beach as it's so baltic.
20

Myosotis,

29/12/2008 20:53:39
Lewis Draughts Man (13) says the golf development is full speed ahead.

But it plainly isn`t.

Nothing can start until there is a planning application in and the Aberdeenshire councillors have approved it. And it seems that the Trump organisation aren`t rushing with this detailed application.

Possibly the reason is that they don`t want to start course construction until payback from the houses is less distant. And very likely if approval is given there will be a date set by which the construction has to be finished.

So we are on hold, with the planner in charge now working only part-time.
21

Jacqueline Hyde ,

On the shelf 29/12/2008 21:08:11
I'm just a simple Highlander so I can't help thinking that, as the pound has become so incredibly cheap against the dollar and (according to UK and US Governments) borrowing costs have almost reached vanishing point since Mr Trump did his sums, this might actually be quite a good time to invest in the golf course and site infrastructure.

Still, if he wants to use up his five years of planning consent by sitting on the fence and then going through the whole process again, that is his affair.
22

For Scotlands Future,

Vote for the SNP 29/12/2008 22:22:19
As long as Scotland is looked on as an insignificant region of England, both in the UK and elsewhere, this will always happen.

I'm surprised with the attitude of folks in Scotland, Trump hasn't given us two finger and built the thing in Ireland. If he had started out there, the bl@@dy thing would already be built.
23

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 29/12/2008 22:39:36
If these so called world class golf courses ever comes to fruition,they will likely need a very high fence to keep out the proletariate. This,no doubt will involve rights of way and other sundry activists. My forecast is for a very unhappy bunch of golfers. In any case,there are dozens of world class courses in the British Isles and Ireland. Trump is just a con-man.
24

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 29/12/2008 22:59:26
Just love the comments from unionists on a development courted by Jack McConnell when he was in power and there was zero comment from them.

It's a development supported by all parties, dummies, not a political playground for stupid commenteers.
25

gordon'sboomhasbust,

glasgow 29/12/2008 23:10:08
#28
No high fences needed in Scotland. I've golfed at St Andrews, Carnoustie, Crail, Turnberry etc and never seen a fence. Luckily the Scots are a civilsed folk and respect people playing golf.
26

MacGhillieBhain,

Aberdeen 29/12/2008 23:34:56
#30 Tongue in cheek comment about fences.My point is that there would be heavies to keep us mere mortals away from the area altogether.
27

gordon'sboomhasbust,

glasgow 29/12/2008 23:51:05
#31
I think you're wrong there MacGillie.
I've never see any heavies at two of the most important courses in the UK. Carnoustie and St Andrews. And they hold the British Open competition. I think the Trump course is too far north but I may be proved wrong.
28

Ciotach,

29/12/2008 23:59:19
I rather resent the assumption, by some, that those of us who oppose the Trump development are dyed-in-wool unionists. This SNP voter not only opposes this, but also the appalling plan to allow foreign firms - or private companies of any nationality, including Scottish - to benefit from decades of public investment in Scotland's forests by putting them up for rent. I didn't vote for political independence only to have our natural, and national, assets sold to the highest bidder. And I really can't stomach the New Labour/Old Tory weasel words about 'employment guarantees'. We know what they're worth, and even if they could be believed they're not the only issues at stake.
29

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 30/12/2008 00:29:25
#32

There is one very important difference between St Andrews/Carnoustie Links & Menie. Both St Andrews & Carnoustie (since 1892) are in public ownership, with long-established agreements on use & access by different interests. Menie however will be an entirely private course & Trump's stewardship of his other course at Rancho Palos Verdes suggests that he has a poor grasp of public responsibility
30

Myosotis,

30/12/2008 11:42:13
Having been looking on the web at how the Trump businesses are faring in the USA, I can see the credit crunch is causing them major problems.

There is a lawsuit from the Deutsche Bank about a payment of $40 million that Trump owes, money that was being used to finance the building of a tower block in Chicago.

And the Atlantic City casinos are also in serious trouble.

Without money coming in from rents and sales, and with banks refusing more loans to the Trump businesses, Donald simply will not be able to pay for the very costly construction of the Menie golf courses.
31

mobocaster,

Aberdeen 30/12/2008 12:12:06
Maybe he is looking to use a bit of spare cash from his action against Rancho Palos Verdes to tide him over.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/another-round-of-trouble-as-trump-sues-for-100m-1207397.html

Aberdeenshire council take note!
32

Morry,

Scotland 01/01/2009 21:27:07
Ill-gotten gains and all that.
Should take his business elsewhere, we don't need it.
33

Alan Reid,

London 01/01/2009 22:22:06
All you posts Slagging the SNP, are just Unionist scum. You know full well that the SNP were between a rock and a hard place. If they rejected this project, all the Unionist fools would be screaming this from the raffers,that the SNP costs Scotland investment. Now they are scearming that the SNP have been fooled into this.
The SNP had to prove that they can govern, and they are proving that, and very well at that, even with a Labour goverment in London intent in smearing them at every turn.
I am against this project, i'm also SNP member and supporter of Scottish independance.
34

C Duncan,

02/01/2009 04:04:21
"and supporter of Scottish independance. "

Up until the last few words, you were credible.

 

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