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Published Date: 12 April 2008
PEOPLE living in deprived parts of Edinburgh are almost twice as likely to get diabetes as those living in more affluent areas.
Experts have warned the Capital is facing a diabetes timebomb due to rising obesity and deteriorating levels of health.

A new study has found 4.2 per cent of residents in the poorest pockets of the Lothians suffered from diabetes. That is not only far higher than the 2.4 per cent in richer areas, but also significantly higher than the 3.2 per cent in the most deprived parts of Glasgow, although it is possible not all GPs participated in the study, potentially distorting the figures.

Experts from Edinburgh and Glasgow universities, who carried out the study, blamed rising obesity levels for the gulf.

Sarah Wild, senior lecturer in epidemiology and public health at Edinburgh University, admitted: "This is the major concern. Fantastic improvements have been made in heart disease but that is now starting to level off, or even increase, because of higher diabetes prevalence.

"If children are starting to develop diabetes – it used to affect people during middle age – they will be living with it for longer, and will have more time to develop problems such as heart disease, kidney failure and blindness.

"So it is a concern that we are seeing more and more people with diabetes."

A "smoking map" released this week showed it was also more prevalent in poorer areas of Edinburgh, with half of those in the most deprived areas addicted to cigarettes, compared to just one in ten elsewhere.

Although smoking does not cause diabetes, both can lead to heart problems and together make a lethal cocktail.

Dr Wild said: "Diabetes can lead to heart disease, smoking is bad for your heart, both together is really, really bad."

ASH Scotland believes too few smoking cessation services are available on people's doorstep, in deprived areas, making it less likely they will give up.

However, diabetes researchers do not believe it is a lack of help available that is the problem, but a shortage of understanding and money.

Dr Wild said the main problem lay with the culture of laziness endemic within modern society.

He said: "The difficulty is getting people to be more physically active. We are programmed to be fat and lazy and the gulf relates to education, because it is much easier to take the easy option and we have to fight against that.

"You have to pay to go to the gym, you pay more for fruit and vegetables than a bag of chips – it is easier to be fat in today's society."

www.nhslothian.scot.nhs.uk, www.ed.ac.uk, www.gla.ac.uk

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  • Last Updated: 12 April 2008 12:09 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Diabetes
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 11:52:29
Are we saying, 'Money=Health',?

Certainly this IS the case, if one thinks about it, infact it is, 'Age-Old' History!

Is it any-wonder the, 'Poor' just, 'Give-up', whats the point in trying, when they are constantly,

'Looked-Down-Upon'

By the likes of the HNS local services, etc,?
2

nurse ratched,

Bonnyrigg 12/04/2008 12:45:08
'You have to pay to go to the gym, you pay more for fruit & vegetables than a bag of chips.'

It costs nothing to go out for a walk, jog or run & you can make a big pot of soup from Lidl's veg for less than the price of a bag of chips.'

It's all a matter of choice, not how much money you have or how many services are available. All these people in 'deprived' areas have access to a tv & there's not a day goes by without some news item or programme which educates us on the dangers of obesity/smoking etc.
3

antifa,

12/04/2008 12:48:55
Number 2 - since there is a clear link between poverty and obesity, what are you saying? Are the poor just feckless? Should we just not care about health inequalities; it's all a matter of choice?
4

L,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 13:21:22
#2 is right - everyone has the choice and eating healthily can be just as cheaper (or often cheaper). Plus anyone on the dole has all the time in the world so making healthy meals from scratch shouldn't be a problem.
5

Unimpressed one,

12/04/2008 13:25:59
If the Scottish government have the powers to impose a bag tax on us all for the sake of the environment, why can't they tax unhealthy foods and use this to subsidise healthy foods and so making it cheaper to buy an apple than a Mars bar?
6

James (1),

12/04/2008 13:39:29
#2 try telling mother who want loss making creches kept open at public (not their) expense that it costs nothing to keep fit.
You will get told " I have a baby so need YOU to pay to look after it for me while I get some me time".

So it does cost to keep fit, it costs others.
7

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12/04/2008 13:53:22
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SPG,

edinburgh 12/04/2008 14:33:56
To all diddy #2 is right posters
Eating drinking smoking is used as a comfort zone. What words of patronising solace are you going to offer those without much hope of improvement?
9

Cassandra,

12/04/2008 14:54:01
#5 - That's right, tax the rest of us just because some people can't control their behaviour. An apple already IS cheaper than a Mars bar.
10

Grafter,

12/04/2008 15:55:40
#2

What you have stated looks fine and dandy, but you have failed to mention the most important factors - determination and mental stamina.

Yes, determination for many to muster up some kind of inner strength, after being kicked and kept in their place by the selfishness of society.

Does it make you feel good, with your unsympathetic patronising attitude, as displayed in your post?

So #1 is spot on about the poverty playing it's part with diabetes.
11

Grafter,

12/04/2008 16:05:35
#7

Only when poverty is tackled and erradicated, will the ills associated with it be reduced.

Your pathetic suggestion about reducing benefits, is a sad and bitter reflection of you as a human being and I wonder how you would feel if someone was to reduce your income.
12

nurse ratched,

Bonnyrigg 12/04/2008 16:13:58
No. 3 - The 'poor' tend to be classified as those claiming benefits right? Unless you're disabled to the extent that you're physically or mentally unable to work, these 'poor' have a choice. They can either make a contribution to society by working & taking responsibility for themselves & their family or they can continue to live on benefits. It's their choice.

In life we all have rights & responsibilities. However, there are many who demand what they know are their rights, than are willing to exercise their responsibilities e.g. the responsibility for our own health. Many seem to think that their health is the responsibility of their GP & nothing to do with themself.

We all have choices in life & that includes whether or not we smoke, drink alcohol or whether we eat more calories than our bodies need. No matter how much help or support you give anyone to make lifestyle changes, these changes have to be made by the person themselves.......you can take a horse to water........

No.6 - I hear what you're saying but once again it's down to people who don't want to take responsibility for their own life & feel everyone else should do things for them.
13

JT,

12/04/2008 16:50:20
Why is this surprise. People with less money buy cheap food, if they have a family they go for budget foods which are not always the most healthiest selections.I went to do my usual online shop and most of the bogof offers are on crisps, soft drink and processed foods. Good meat, and veg are expensive. Also gyms and swimming centres are expensive and with ref to no 2, I agree we can go for walks free if its light and dry as noone wants to go when its dark or raining.
14

Skinnybob,

12/04/2008 17:02:02
There is a definate link between being poor and being as thick as mince.

Thick as mince = no job = no money = not living in an affluent area.

You become obese through eating too much and exercising too little. You can eat healthily without having to spend a fortune. How much do these 'poor' people spend on fags and booze? Try spending it on fruit or veg.

15

okanaganguy,

kelowna,b.c. canada 12/04/2008 17:16:10
The cause of diabetes has nothing to do with being rich or poor. The #1 cause is obesity brought on by eating high carb foods and little excercise.This disease is epidemic throughout the Western world.I was diagnosed 6 years ago and did not consider myself obese at 215 lbs. and 6'1" tall.Since then, i have been able to control my blood sugar by losing weight and eating healthier food choices. Did you know that most folks who have type 2 diabetes do not even know they have it? Some of you posting here may have it and are unaware. A simple blood test can save lives. I now weigh 185 lbs. and have no trouble controlling my sugar now. For those of you who may be interested, the best diet today, which has been around for years is the Scarsdale diet which can be downloaded on Google. It works without being hungry. regards
16

nurse ratched,

Bonnyrigg 12/04/2008 17:43:43
No. 10 - Nope I don't feel 'good'.These 'poor' people who have a far greater disposable income than most of us & can afford to smoke up to 80 fags a day. Many of whom would bleed you dry, rather than make an effort to do something for themselves. I don't think I'm being patronising either. I grew up on a dump of an Edinburgh Housing Scheme & I've claimed JSA & Housing Benefit several times - been there, done that & worn the t-shirt. Like I said you can lead a horse to water........

No. 14 - For those who are on benefit, they have the choice to walk in the daylight as they don't have a job to go to. Those of us who work often have to go out in the dark, rain, hail, snow to get to work! You can get an annual concession membership for Edinburgh Leisure for £14. Thereafter it costs about £1. odd when you go for a swim or to the gym. Compare that to the price of drink & fags or even a mince pie supper!

No. 16 - Well said & congratulations on your fantastic weight loss. Friend of mine was diagnosed recently & thought to have had it 4 yrs without knowing. I got checked recently & was a 5mmol/l so thankfully ok. All the best for continued good health.
17

Andy Duncan.,

12/04/2008 18:00:48
what my wifes ar*e doing in the paper?
18

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 18:21:23
Andy Duncan @#18,

Thats Nae nice! ;-))

Its the waist hanging over, that would put me off!
19

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12/04/2008 18:54:29
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Robin Bankes,

Culross 12/04/2008 19:07:02
#18 what my wifes ar*e doing in the paper?

She told me she wasn't married! Honest!
21

Bachus,

12/04/2008 19:18:51
That is not yer wife's chourus and verse, that is Ugly Prince Charlie(Linskaill,s) coupon.
22

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 19:30:50
Bachus @#whatever,

Am I 'Bovvered' what you think,?

..............'NO'..................
23

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 12/04/2008 19:33:53
Hello All,

No one is stressing one key fact: the poor are, generally speaking, less educated and less motivated by their families to succeed academically.

Link this with one key aspect already mentioned: poorer families generally buy cheaper foods, which by and large are high carb foods: potatoes, breads, and cereals.

One positive aspect of the high cost of cereals (for the insane program of producing Ethanol to run in our autos) is that one whole Carb Group is nearly outside the budget of many people. Potatoes can be used to make a wide variety of dishes, most of which are quick and easy to make.

The downside of the carbs is that carbs are used by the body to create SUGARS and that in turn, leads to higher body fat levels; which in turn leads to less exercise and more indolence.

I would note that unless a person is already ill with diabetes or handicapped, exercise is FREE. Forget the 'grey days' argument: drop weight or die.

I know this all too well, because I'm handicapped and VERY over weight; I hurt most of the time so exercising exacerbates my pain greatly (and I can only do limited walking, no bending, and no leg lifting exercises), which not too oddly is something (pain and increasing pain) most sane people try to avoid.

Keep in mind people that what we're talking about is VERY complicated subject and the solutions are variegated as is the problem.

Cheers from the Rockies
24

The Busman,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 19:40:46
The relationship between poverty, ill-health and lifespan has been understood since at least Victorian times. But even if the major problem health concerns for the poor are allowed for (smoking, drinking, addiction, obesity), they still tend to present with more health issues - partly from the sheer stress of being poor, perhaps.
25

Andy Duncan.,

London 12/04/2008 19:50:14
#20 I believe the technical term for the waist overhang is 'Muffin Top'.
26

fife runner,

12/04/2008 19:50:43
a couple of years back a supermarket offered healthy food at cut price in Easterhouse. the take up was so miniscule the offers were stopped. The locals were more interested in eating processed rubbish which cost more to buy. Buying eg macaroni cheese as opposed to making it must be more expensive. It is cheap to make good soup etc. The less well off have made the decision to eat rubbish and spend more doing so. It is their fault
27

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:03:03
#24
Chicken Chockin Charlie,
Try "Bovvered" instead of ''Bowered" the correct useage will further your child molestation life-style.

28

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:07:11
An i bovvered?
29

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:07:42
Am I Bovvered?
30

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:08:12
bovvered
31

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:08:36
vv =W?
32

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:09:21
v = V = the sum of w?
33

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:09:40
v v
34

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:10:38
v v land of the double V,s
35

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:11:11
Tovvers
36

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:11:52
try typing V V and see if you get W
37

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:12:14
vankers
38

Bachus,

12/04/2008 20:14:49
I am away oot fir a pint
39

Andy Duncan.,

London 12/04/2008 20:38:03
what a weird guy..
40

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 12/04/2008 23:15:42
Andy Duncan @#41'

Certainly is, takes all types to make a World!
41

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12/04/2008 23:46:08
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Julian,

EDINBURGH 13/04/2008 01:05:14
#2 is spot on.

#10 and #3, how was he being patronising or saying the poor were feckless? He was merely pointing out the idiotic statement that it's difficult to exercise because you have to pay to go to the gym (like the gym was the only form of exercise). And that a bag of chips costs more than fruit or veg (what exactly is fruit and veg? 1 banana, 100 bananas?) But just to help the debate along, a bag of chips costs the same as around 9 bananas:0)
43

OldWife,

13/04/2008 09:17:29
Diabetes is caused by taking in too much carbohydrate leading to hyperinsulinaemia, insulin resistance and subsequent raised blood sugars. Today's cheap food is loaded with useless nutrient void carbohydrate and consumed in excess ie chips, cereals, bread, cakes, etc etc + beer, more than the body can cope with. As the poor tend to gravitate towards this cheap and crappy sort of food it is no wonder that they develop diabetes and its attendant obesity, the two generally go hand in hand. But, you can also get diabetes from too much fruit and so called healthy foods, they are also loaded with sugars. The actual dietary requirement for carbohydrate for a human being is zero grammes a day. The body will make what it needs from an adequate protein intake ie plenty of meat and dairy products. As these types of foods are more satisfying you don't need to eat 6 times a day like you have to (due to the body's inability to register when it has had enough) on a carb laden diet. Let them eat meat!
44

Too Drunk To Care,

The Gutter 13/04/2008 12:23:01
I live in a run down council estate and i don't have Diabetes....


WHERE'S MY DIABETES DAMMIT !! ?? !!
45

S.E,

13/04/2008 18:42:57
It's common knowledge that your avreage schemie has great trouble understanding the concept of eating something that isn't deep-fried. I've been told the chippy in Muirhouse opens daily at 9am!
46

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13/04/2008 20:23:41
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47

Hickory,

US 13/04/2008 23:41:38
Aye, I see the same over here. As I shop about, I notice the ones on the dole are all fat. They also buy a lot of beer and have a lot of wee ones. They even have a charge card over here to buy food with and one to get medical. But they still clammer for more, more. My wife watched one chunky lass load up with steaks, chops and bacon, then whip out her card. We buy chicken and raise veggies. If there is another depression, these chubbies are going to get very slim.
48

Scotish Exile,

14/04/2008 12:21:26
How much of the so called "poor's" income goes on fags, booze and the bookies, they only have themselves to blame....
49

Hickory,

US 14/04/2008 18:55:28
Well now, I quit smokin' in my youth because I could not afford it. It appears t'me that some have adjusted their values to such that smokin' is more important than anythin' else. Aye, it gives one instant satisfaction. Oh, pardon my smoke, 'and me another one of those grease balls. Ummmmmm.

 

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