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Published Date: 02 July 2007
EDINBURGH clubbers are damaging their hearing due to some of the highest levels of dancefloor noise recorded in the UK.
The Royal National Institute for the Deaf (RNID) measured the decibels at club nights in five major cities for a recent survey.

A drum and bass night in the Capital was the loudest, at 110 decibels - almost a quarter above the recommended level.

The charity also interviewed clubbers and found that 90 per cent had experienced some hearing loss. Others reported permanent damage as a result of repeated exposure to dangerous noise levels.

RNID spokesman Allan Daziel said: "There is a particular danger in Edinburgh, which has a high number of drum and bass nights. These clubs can dangerously exceed the maximum recommended noise levels and, because the effect is cumulative, by the time people realise they have a problem it will be to late."

The RNID survey comes ahead of regulations which will require entertainment venues to make earplugs available to their staff.

The charity is also calling on clubs to turn down the volume to protect staff and customers.

The safe limit recommended by RNID is 80 decibels, and continued exposure to louder noise is considered dangerous, with the possibility of hearing impairment or permanent damage.

The survey - of clubs in Edinburgh, Cardiff, Belfast, London and Manchester - also measured the noise levels in "chill out" rooms, where clubbers are supposed to be able to escape from the loud dancefloor.

Again, the drum and bass night in Edinburgh, which was not named by the charity, registered the highest level, 96.3 decibels.

However, Simon McGrath, who runs the regular Xplicit event at the Bongo Club, said most staff and clubbers were well aware of the dangers.

"I wear earplugs when I go to these events," he said, "and most of the staff will do as well, because it is more comfortable for them. I don't think Edinburgh is any louder than places in England, and that is what clubbers want. I don't think they would like to have the music turned down."

Industrial employers are obliged to notify staff if they are likely to be exposed to noise levels above 85 decibels, and offer hearing protection. If noise levels are likely to top 90 decibels employers are obliged to make sure that their staff wear hearing protection.

Legislation to be introduced next year will mean these regulations also come into force for entertainment venues.

A council spokeswoman said: "The council's health and safety officers will be working closely with music and entertainment premises in the run-up to these regulations coming into effect to make sure that they understand their responsibilities and to monitor compliance."


'I had no idea that I was damaging myself'


DANCING the night away to live, loud music in nightclubs, Paul Hunter never imagined it would do him any harm.
HEARING AIDS: Paul Hunter
HEARING AIDS: Paul Hunter


"My own preference at the time was for live music clubs, rock and roll, things like that," he said. "They would be small venues, typically about 100 people at the most, and it was incredibly loud, but you never thought anything of it.

"Even at the end of the night when your ears were ringing, it didn't seem too bad."

Now the 35-year-old sales advisor, who is married and has two children, has to wear two hearing aids at work.

He said: "It started early. By the time I went to university I had trouble hearing lecturers and in clubs all I could hear was background noise. Over time it has got worse, and now I need two hearing aids.

"I had no idea that I was doing this kind of damage to myself, and I think people need to be more aware of the kind of long term effects they can suffer."



THE FACTS


Zero decibels is classed as the threshold of hearing for a healthy young adult, while a normal conversation has a level of around 60-70 decibels.

Sounds above about 100 decibels tend to be uncomfortably loud and can lead to severe ear damage if heard for a long time.

The noise from a drum and bass nightclub event can be around 110 decibels - roughly the same as the levels made by deafening factory noises, thunder or a rock concert.

At 140 decibels - the level of an air raid siren, jet plane take-off or a gunshot blast - you could lose your hearing if there is prolonged exposure to the noise for a period of time.

At 180 decibels, or equivalent to a rocket launching pad, scientists say permanent hearing loss is "inevitable".

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  • Last Updated: 02 July 2007 12:56 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Dance , Edinburgh Council
 
1

I am God.....,

Edinburgh 02/07/2007 11:19:48

Tiesto on Saturday was unreal! Turn it up I say!!!!!

2

A Leither,

02/07/2007 11:24:14

If it's so loud that many people have to wear earplugs, why don't they turn it down ? It's like those bars who insist on playing exruciatingly bad music that no-one's listening to at ear-damaging levels - the more you shout above the blaring music to be heard, the more they turn it up - and then the bar staff who turned it up have the cheek to claim they can't hear you when they're taking your order ! Do folks these days have no common sense ?!

3

petrol head,

Edinburgh 02/07/2007 11:28:59

As far as I can remember, both Motorhead and The Who were louder than that!

Mind you, they were playing proper music, not the pap that is blasted out in most nightclubs. That rubbish is an assult to th eardrums in any case.

4

Dorian,

02/07/2007 11:41:50

You've just shown your age Petrol Head

5

CBJ,

02/07/2007 11:46:39

People going for dance clubs should be aware of dangers... regulars, soon they will be deaf and think wise...

6

AD in sunny Livingston,

02/07/2007 11:49:30

#4 - Oi Dorian - leave Petrol Head's age out of it - I was just remembering going to see Motorhead on their Ace of Spades tour, when half the seats got ripped out of the Playhouse ......

(I wasn't involved of course!)

Must get back to polishing my halo

:o)

7

alex paterson,

embra 02/07/2007 12:03:00

I dont know how people can enjoy what they call music,At the volume in which it is played,This distortion of sound will tell on them in years to come,When they have to keep saying,Pardon.

8

petrol head,

Edinburgh 02/07/2007 12:22:16

#6:

Saw them during the bomber tour at southampton Gaumont in 1979.

Got backstage after the gig and Byff Byfford of Saxon introduced us to his band and then all three members of Motorhead.

Still got an empty Players No6 packet signed by Lemmy, Fast Eddie and Filthy Animal.

9

Why not ....,

02/07/2007 12:24:59

... forget about the clubbers and think about the poor seals.

10

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 02/07/2007 12:29:57

If there's too much racket when I go into a pub then I just turn around and leave. If I'm paying near 3 quid a pint, I expect to be able to hear what people are saying without them having to shout.

The Auld hoose used to be a good pub, but the predilection of the staff for cranking up the volume has had me strike 'em from the list.

As for Motorhead, now that Alan Davey has gone, Hawkwind could do with Lemmy coming back...

11

RickL,

02/07/2007 12:33:13

Slammin'. Nothing like a loud concert or club to ruin your hearing. My Bloody Valentine, barrowlands late 91, and permanent damage to my right ear drum...

Earplugs for me now whenever I go to gigs.

12

Euan,

Edinburgh 02/07/2007 12:57:50

Well, I can honestly say that what is in the report is all too true.

My hearing is definitely getting worse and has been doing so noticeably for about the last 5 years.

I started going out to rock clubs in Edinburgh 15 or so years ago and also started seeing rock bands like Metallica, Iron Maiden etc about 19 years ago. In the mid to late 1990's I also did a lot of clubbing, pubbing and gigging all over the place.

I started to wear ear protection to some of the early rock gigs I went to, but rarely used them in the clubs and pubs I frequented, and as a result when I'm in a pub now It is really quite difficult for me to understand anyone who is talking to me, even if there is only a modest amount of background noise.

Hearing loss really does creep up on you. I have also had a constant ringing in my ears for over 15 years now(tinitus - good old heavy metal!)

For the last 5-6 years, I have been wearing proper ear plugs whenever I go to clubs or gigs as well as at my work(installation engineer)and even when I'm driving the company van, where the road noise created is deceptively loud(depending on road surface, I have measured it at over 90db at some points!)

My hearing is still relatively ok, but all I can do now is to try and limit the damage I've already done, at least so I can still hear my favourite bands is 20-30 years time.

13

Keke,

Aberdeenshire 02/07/2007 13:08:35

Earplugs for the sound, don't forget welding goggles for the lights (wouldn't want to go blind now would we).
People must want to enjoy this environment otherwise the clubs would close because nobody went to them.
I sympathise with anyone suffering from deafness or tinnitus, but I worry that this is the thin end of yet another wedge from the health and safety brigade.
Incidently, an ipod can cause as much damage, the pressure levels may be less but the exposure is often longer, also a concert orchestra can hit damaging levels. Firework displays aren't exactly user friendly either ... best ban all of it and we'll stay in ... just to be safe. Don't know how they'll ban thunder though.
I saw Deep Purple at Knebworth some years back, they got noise complaints from over 20 miles away ... it was glorious.

14

Super Mario Tram,

02/07/2007 13:22:08

Its a mad situation , especially when bars play deafening music in order to create an atmosphere and nobody can hear a bloody thing.

Loudest band i ever heard was Blancmange (I know... ) in 1981 at Coasters/ whatever its called now (ignite/lava /nonsense), The other time was when I climbed into the bassbin at an underworld concert (but i was on something).

15

Super Mario Tram,

02/07/2007 13:27:10

Dont forget Compression , far more common now than in years gone past.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_level_compression

This is the same technique used by advertisers incase anyone wonders why the adverts jump out and bite you everytime there is a break.

16

Erse,

Middle East 02/07/2007 13:58:28

Loudest concert I was at was Iron Maiden in the Glasgow Apollo in 1984 - my ears rang for at least a week after. Mind you I do like loud pubs it makes it so much easier not to hear when it's my round.

Talking about pubs and rounds I've been trying to remember the name of the song on AC/DC's Back in Black about drinking - can anyone help?

17

Pole Vaulter,

02/07/2007 14:14:17

16.
That would be the album with the following tracks.

What Do You Do for Money Honey
Givin the Dog a Bone
Let Me Put My Love into You
Shake a Leg
Shoot to Thrill
Hells Bells

although not in that order

oh and Have a Drink on Me.

18

Erse,

Middle East 02/07/2007 14:19:49

17 Thank you very much! I'll have a pint of lager if you're asking!

19

dan,

02/07/2007 14:36:36

It's worse than the article suggests. Each 6dB represents a doubling of the sound pressue level, as it is a logarithmic scale. Therefore, 110dB is ten times louder than 90dB(SPL).
The human ear responds to sound pressue, so it is not as straightforward to work out what sound pressure casues how much damage. The guidelines I have seen suggest less than two minutes exposure to 110dB is appropriate.

20

Snr Maths Teacher,

Ear Canal 02/07/2007 14:58:57

What? Pardon? I cant hear you!!

21

Andy,

02/07/2007 15:17:55

I wear earplugs every time I'm out. Discreet and my ears don't ring at the end of the night. I can actually hear conversation better too!

22

Juicy Tubes,

Embra 02/07/2007 15:27:03

You don't have to be old to appreciate The Who and their loud music, recently they blew the speakers at a gig. TWICE! Rock on The Who and I can think of no better way to go deaf than listening to them!

23

joker,

sunny leith 02/07/2007 15:38:04

dont know what all the fuss is about,tell me you wont appreciate beeng mutton jeff when youre old n married to some bint that just keeps going on and on

24

Nittenman,

02/07/2007 15:41:26

Sorry, I didn't quite catch that.

25

joker,

sunny leith 02/07/2007 15:46:46

thats ok coz i wasnt throwing it budi

26

joker,

sunny leith 02/07/2007 15:48:05

nitteman mutten jeff=deaf,bint=naggin woman

27

Norrie Loch,

02/07/2007 15:50:22

When it started getting too noisy I started staying in on my own. Now it's my eyesight that's failling. :(

28

joker,

sunny leith 02/07/2007 15:52:17

nice one ronnie ,sory bit dislexic with poor eye sight

29

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 02/07/2007 16:54:27

Who IS this poster with the netname of "I Am God.."

Highly pretentious and does that mean we have to accept his or her every comment as 'holy writ"?

Ridiculous choice for a netname.

30

leith keely,

scottish parliament, holyrood.. 02/07/2007 17:03:50

no doubt the health warnings will fall on deaf ears.

31

Cant use my name anymore-Alex,

Prisoner of the Machine 02/07/2007 17:37:20

I kept hearing music in my ears, went to the doc, he thinks its due to the band in my hat

32

Lady inwaiting,

02/07/2007 19:44:40

paul hunter should try on the coachlear implant instead hearing aids and the doctors always use the coachlear implant on Deaf children and the doctors use the deaf children as guiea pigs

33

AD in sunny Livingston,

02/07/2007 20:20:16

#8 petrol head - ah yes, them were the days. I was still at school when I saw Motorhead so wasn't brave enough to go and get their autographs after Lemmy announced that all young females were welcome for a bit of <ahem> you-know-what with them afterwards!!!!

Still got my tatty old Iron Maiden ticket signed by the band - except for Steve Harris who signed my hand..............unfortunately, I no longer have his autograph although I went an admirable amount of time before I washed it off!!!

;o)

34

Bauldie,

02/07/2007 22:36:37

Eh! Whit's that yer sayin? canny hear ye!

35

Gogzy,

02/07/2007 22:42:27

heck drum and bass is meant to be played loud
if it wasnt people would complain that they cant hear it
0

36

Jayess,

Edin 03/07/2007 00:05:11

#36 Quite right, Gogzy. Turn it well up!

As their hearing deteriorates, they can ask for it to be turned up further, and so on, and on, until they are all stone deaf and well beyond the help of hearing-aids. As for learning British Sign language - forget it - as they are obviously stupid as well.

37

Son of Wallace's Pal,

Stirling Bridge 03/07/2007 04:39:04

#19 - thanks for the science lesson, but you are sounding a bit desperate - dan............

#34 weeshooie - try whistling "Gangsta Paradise" by Coolio - melodic rap (whits the wurld cummin tae?)

#29 Hey TIMMY! You just cant help yourself can you? People can call themselves what they want to and should be able to without having to read of the disapproval of some sanctimonious old git with no sense of humour - is that the english in you sneaking out??

38

Melanthios,

Stirling 03/07/2007 09:04:39

CHAIRMAN

My mother-in-law has tinnutis. She finds that when she goes in a plane, her tinnutis goes away for about 2 months. She now takes a flight every 2 months. God knows where she is now.

39

petrol head,

Edinburgh 03/07/2007 09:07:02

Just as a matter of interest? what are drum and bass nights?

I know what a drum is and I know what a bass is. Are these things events where everyone sits down and listens to a bloke banging a drum, accompanied by another bloke playing a bass?

Presumably, this is all pumped through huge amplifiers. To be honest, I'm glad I'm not around! It sounds like it'd be crap!

40

Euan,

Edinburgh 03/07/2007 09:41:33
41

Auldtroot,

Edinburgh 03/07/2007 10:07:00

People who play in loud bands are partly deaf as are people who operate 'Discos'. They don't know how LOUD, too loud is.
Pub managers are instructed by their owners to keep music (noise) very loud so that people talk less, and drink more. If you insist on shouting above the din, your throat gets dry so you must drink more. The effect is the same, more drinks sold.
The City Council has an Environmental Health Department. They should be protecting people, especially the young, against noise levels in clubs/pubs that wouldn't be tolerated in an industrial situation. If they don't act now, there will be health problems for a lot of people in the future.

42

petrol head,

Edinburgh 03/07/2007 10:22:29

#43:

Ah! so it isn't drum and bass at all then... It's electronic sound-alike drum and bass (and other things too.

If I want drum and bass, I'll listen to Keith Moon and John Entwistle, or John Bonham and John Paul Jones, or Korky Laing and Felix Pappalardi, or Charlie Watts and Bill Wyman, or John Densmore and Ray Manzarek's left hand, or Mitch Mitchell and Noel Redding.

I must admit that the pairs mentioned sound a lot better with Pete Townshend and Roger Daltry, or Robert Plant and Jimmy Page, or Leslie West,or Mick Jagger, Keith Richards and Ronnie Wood, or Jim Morrison and Robbie Krieger, or of course Jimi Hendrix respectively.

43

Jimmy D,

03/07/2007 12:10:57

I've checked out RNID's Don't Lose the Music website (www.dontlosethemusic.com) and like Euan (#12) they speak a lot of sense about how we can protect our hearing when listening to music, without losing our enjoyment.

Euan, I don't know if you'd be interested but the website says that the campaigners are interested in speaking with people who have a problem with hearing that they think is linked to damage from loud music. You can email them at dontlosethemusic@rnid.org.uk

44

Super Mario Tram,

03/07/2007 14:11:29

Petrol heed , not another Luddite please ! In these days of Digital Music and Sampling you CANNOT tell the difference between sampled drums/bass and live bass/drums as they are the same thing !

45

Jay Dee,

Edinburgh 03/07/2007 20:20:22

Looks like the forwarding of the nanny state to me. I am not sure if others were blessed with the education at school but we were continuosly told thatloud musicwould damage ears, but if that was not the case, is it not then common sense that loud noise would damage ears. It is like smoking people know it is bad for your health but still do it.

I enjoy loud music and if I want to hear music loud so be it, its my desicion and the damsge will be my fault.


 

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