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Published Date:
08 August 2007
THE cost of refurbishing the Royal Commonwealth Pool has shot up by £7 million in less than two years, it emerged today.
The planned overhaul is now estimated to cost £36m and officials have warned it will rise again unless work starts next year.

The rising cost means the project faces a £9m funding black hole unless Meadowbank Stadium is sold off for housing, or the Scottish Executive bails the city out by covering the shortfall.

The overhaul of the pool is a key part of Glasgow's bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games, with diving events planned to take place in Edinburgh.

The main reason for the price increase has been put down to rampant inflation in the cost of construction projects, something that is being felt across the UK.

The growing funding problems for the project - which would feature an Olympic-standard 50-metre pool and diving arena as well as a new "fun pool" - were revealed in a council report published today.

Councillors are expected to be asked later this month to press ahead with selling the majority of the Meadowbank site, in order to fund the revamp and the building of a new athletics and rugby arena on Sighthill Park.

The problems affecting the pool project risk having a knock-on effect on the Sighthill scheme, as less money would be available.

Today, council leader Jenny Dawe said: "The new report highlights the scale of the funding gap that the council would face if we didn't go ahead with the sell-off of Meadowbank. It's another major factor we'll have to consider over the next few weeks, along with the findings of the Meadowbank working group, once they are finalised.

"We will also have to consider the views of people in the Sighthill area, and the current problems surrounding Edinburgh Rugby, who have expressed an interest in using the new arena."

The council currently has only £27m pledged for rebuilding the ageing pool complex. Cash has been pledged by the Scottish Executive and sportscotland, on top of funds from the sale of Leith Waterworld and the current home of Spartans FC.

The new Lib Dem-SNP coalition running the council has made the RCP revamp a top priority, but is also wrestling with the dilemma of whether to press ahead with the sell-off of Meadowbank.

The planned refurbishment of the RCP is currently scheduled to start next autumn and is due for completion in 2010. The site is earmarked to be used as an official training camp for both the London Olympics in 2012 and the potential Glasgow games.

Cllr Dawe added: "We are currently going though a process which is looking at ways of addressing the funding gap in the RCP project. At this stage, options for meeting increased costs could include a request for additional funding from sportscotland or the Scottish Executive."

Council officials are recommending the commissioning of an urgent report on how to meet the potential funding shortfall.

However, council insiders warn that unless the Scottish Executive steps in with several million pounds, options for the local authority will be limited without selling Meadowbank.

The only other realistic option is said to be dramatically scaling back the plans, or shelving the work.

The council has been allocated £4m from sportscotland for the RCP and £7m for the proposed £53m scheme at Sighthill Park.

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  • Last Updated: 08 August 2007 12:02 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Commonwealth Pool
 
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08/08/2007 11:31:43
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The Facts,

08/08/2007 11:31:59

At least we know the cost of the trams won't increase

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Colin G,

Edinburgh 08/08/2007 11:36:42

The Commonwealth Pool should not be upgraded for use for the Olympics or the Commonwealth Games. If elite athletes want elite training facilities they should pay for them themselves as other sports do.

It should receive the maintenance required for the ordinary user of the pool and gym. Same as for Meadowbank.

The Council should not be selling assets for 'world class' elite athlete facilities. As for the tram, well what a surprise that construction costs are going up - how much contingency is built in to this open ended commitment. How is the Council preparing to fund cost overruns?

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Gorgie,

Deep End 08/08/2007 11:41:03

I'll do it for £10m. Me and a few mates could probably do it up good style. I am sure there is a B&Q nearby for paint etc.
Seriously - How come it takes £36m to do up the commy pool - I mean most of it is water anyway.

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PC Plod,

08/08/2007 11:49:57

let the weggies pay for it if it's for their benefit!
~ Gorgie - I'll do it for £9.5m - there you go competitive tendering in action :-)

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Gorgie,

Deep End 08/08/2007 11:59:49

#6 - It's yours.
I am doing it at cost price and only just covering the paint and new water.

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A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Fernando's Wisdom Warehouse 08/08/2007 12:06:34

More taxpayers' cash being wasted on people's hobbies. Let a commercial operator do the job and charge a market entry fee to cover its costs.

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GrahamL,

08/08/2007 12:10:07

#8 I dunno. They'd have to be waterproof...

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Boy Wonder,

08/08/2007 12:20:15

£36 million????? What is it all going to be gold-plated or encrusted with jewels???

These kinds of sums should be laid out and open to public scrutiny, because until we know WHAT the money is being spent on in detail ... it will be questioned ... and accusations of brown envelopes will be plentiful!!!

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James2122,

08/08/2007 12:31:45

I was there a couple of weeks ago. There's nothin wrong with the place that I could see. They could have had the diving pool open for the public, not just for about 5 kids on some lessons. They could have told me the diving pool was not open when I paid my £4 something.
I bet a million quid would sort it, they could also spend a million and bring back the flumes and generally make better use of the space upstairs.
We don't NEED a really fancy place for the Olympics just as #4 said let the olympics pay for this, TV ads etc. And if the money is not there then tough, that means people don't want the olympics so much.

Take the 5 of the remaining 25 million and fix up Meadowbank for people on the East side.

Then use the rest to build some new pools etc and fix up a few of the old ones.

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OwenT,

Loanhead 08/08/2007 12:40:24

Another brainchild of a former Labour Administration with spiraling costs which have only now been uncovered. How many other projects are out there where we are going to find the same!

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Aldo The Great,

Edinburgh 08/08/2007 12:52:30

OwenT, you are a fool.

In fact, you are all fools.

HA HA HA HA!!!

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'Hezza,

08/08/2007 12:54:04

I blame the SNP.

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The Judge,

Outside Looking In 08/08/2007 12:56:44

Today, council leader Jenny Dawe said: "The new report highlights the scale of the funding gap that the council would face if we didn't go ahead with the sell-off of Meadowbank. It's another major factor we'll have to consider over the next few weeks, along with the findings of the Meadowbank working group, once they are finalised.

Sounds like they've already made up their minds about Meadowbank, if the RCP is to be used for the 2014 Commonwealth Games then some of the money must come from Glasgow.

Out of interest can anybody name a single "world class" swimmer or diver thats used RCP in the last 10 years? Do we really need a "world class" swimming pool in Edinburgh, or do we just need a pool that everybody can use?

~13 How many other projects are out there where we are going to find the same!

The list is endless.
Kings Theater
Assembly Rooms
TRAMline
Usher Hall
Grassmarket refurbishment
Every PFI school thats being built
Every football/sports pitch being upgraded
As Jimmy Cricket would say "and there's more".

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Jock's blog,

Edinburgh 08/08/2007 13:17:15

There will be a Public Meeting at Meadowbank Sports Centre at 7.00 pm on Friday 17th of August.

Everyone is welcome. Don’t let the Council decide the future of Meadowbank without first hearing your view!

http://savemeadowbank.org

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Red Diesel,

08/08/2007 13:29:27

Edinburgh = To maintain current facilities, you need to sell other facilites to be replaced by housing. This equals More people, but less facilities.

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Lang Spoon,

Leith 08/08/2007 13:29:43

I agree with most of the posts above; the thread running through the council's "vision" for the pool is that it must provide top-class facilities for a tiny handful of (second class) athletes.
I would remind the council that we, the voters, are not (mainly) top athletes, but we do wish to use sports facilities which are open to all and moderately priced.
I visited the pool recently, and it didn't seem too bad; a lick of paint and some new tiles perhaps?
If the elite swimmers want to have a world-class pool then let them move (at their own expense) to Australia; I don't want my council tax paying for their holiday lifestyle!

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Whatever I Say,

You say the opposite, because your a whinger 08/08/2007 13:31:41

Edinburgh = To maintain current facilities, you need to sell other facilites to be replaced by housing, which equals less facilites, but the remaining ones are maintained. This equals More people, but less facilities.

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Colin G,

Edinburgh 08/08/2007 13:37:30

Re 18. Spot on.

What facilities are the Council proposing to replace for the bumble tots, aerobics, pilates, basketball, football, country dancing folks of the East side of the City? Are they expected to go and use the 'world class' facilities at Sighthill?

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Glesga Jambo,

08/08/2007 14:13:40

Why is Glasgow not paying for the re-fit? They have no pool of the quality and this is essential to them winning the games.


Their counciller's require this re-fit to get their hands on millions to change Glasgow into a golden metropolis or is it them suddenly gaining more expenses??

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Bruce DeVenne,

Halifax Nova Scotia 08/08/2007 14:16:55

This is the standard story when a city gets involved with international sporting extravaganzas. We don't have to worry about any of that. We're out of the bidding for the games.
Bruce Devenne
Past owner and operator of www.stopthehrmgames.com

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Glesga Jambo,

08/08/2007 14:45:35

Bruce it would be nice to have your confidence as if we win the games we will be in a dreadful situation!!

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Bruce DeVenne,

Halifax Nova Scotia 08/08/2007 14:54:07

Glesga
It was a long hard fight. For months I was the only one saying no and was called names by everyone involved with or supporting the games but in the end reality crept in and the City and Province said no. My site was up for over a year. From what I have seen and from what independent studies done on international games tell us this is just the tip of the iceberg.

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Nick Nick,

08/08/2007 15:08:50

Let's spend the money and get the pool upgraded.

It definitely needs some investment, and now seems to be the time.

Why shouldn't we get some benefit? Don't forget the pool will still be there long after the Games for the public to use for another 30 years.

There's enough money getting siphoned off for sports facilities to support the 2012 London Olympics, let's invest some money in Scottish sports and for ongoing community and up and coming youth swimmers in the longer term.

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Talcy,

08/08/2007 15:27:16

So the Council want to sell off Leith Waterworld, Meadowbank and the old Spartans ground to revamp the RCP and build Sighthill. So Edinburgh loses 2 public facilities, ends up with no velodrome at all and there goes 2 more sets of pitches in order to gain a refurbished RCP and 1 new facility at Sighthill. What an utterly sh1t proposal - just on the grounds of a large net reduction in overall sporting facilities and green space. On top of that, perhaps more importantly, there will still be a huge funding shortfall!!! If the estimated cost of the RCP revamp is up to 36M, how much has the estimate for the proposed new facility at Sighthill increased? Let's say by some miracle it hasn't increased (yeah right) and it's still 53M - they need a total of 89M. Top estimates for the sale of Meadowbank are about 45M (if they throw planning guidelines out the window and allow extreme high-density housing with half the normal open-space they would insist on) and they claim to have 27M in place (which is not true as 6M of the funding from sportscotland was to be used for Hunters Hall and will have to be repaid if they "front-load" it to the RCP and shelf Hunters Hall). So, 45M for Meadowbank and 27M in place (ho-ho-ho) - that doesn't quite add up to 89M now does it?

Does anyone actually believe these trumpets? Look at how they've shafted Lochend Boys Club - where the Council promised a new pitch and pavillion as part of planning proposals for building a care home on the club's old location. Once they've got the community on-side and built the care home - oops, no money folks. Sorry about that. We'll build you a pitch and you can raffle for your facilities. But they'll make sure there's a replacement facility in the East to compensate for Meadowbank. Aye. Right. Just like they were going to refurbish Hunters Hall as part of their 21st Century vision for sport. Aye. Right. Time and time again, through their incompetence and empty words, these people have shown th

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jim jones,

new glasgow canada 08/08/2007 15:35:41

well think about paying dearly from a commonwealth games. It is ironic that while your people are talking of this patch work of a bid with a renovation for a diving venue costing 36 million pounds and rising that you see the report out of Glasgow that 66 bridges dont meet EU safety standards in light of the bridge colapse in Minnesota.
You have a faction of people supporting the Glasgow games that believe Abuja does not have the transportation or sport infrastructure yet they don't have any bridges over the age of 30 and most would probably not be over the age of 15 years . Abuja's state of the art facilities are only 4 years old. That is what you are competting with in Abuja along with a government that now has not external debt and 200 million US of bonds with Nigerian Banks

Abuja clearly has the money and history on its side while Glasgow 2014 has had a price increase of 17 million pounds in a the last month. This is like our own people here in Halifax who could dream big at any price because it is you the taxpayer who will catch holding the bag. A bag held by a province with a 36 percent debt to annual gdp ratio. Great Britian in debt situation is 48 percent debt to GDP annually.

London 2012 is a preview of what you have in store if by some miracle Abuja was to lose to Glasgow.
Restoring an old part of Glasgow for Games purposes does that sound famillar ?

paul taylor

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Bob The Beggar,

08/08/2007 15:41:38

Maybe they should sell of the land for housing and move the pool out to Sighthill as well.

Or the preceeds could go towards another tram line...

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molu kikes,

basel 08/08/2007 15:44:10

well huge amount of united kingdom used to glen to the ir sphere of influence and others around the girth of which they are interwebbed mostly those on line to their moth ans regicide .,,,,,,,,,,,,,, but modern britain have became anugget as they they arrange posh from nose to dosh just to refurbish pool which belong to there royal family .,,,,,,,,,,,, let them not forget repairing the the meanders and gorges around river thames ,........... to avoid the caming of salmonella typhi of which once in the parliament was declared as succumbed thames

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08/08/2007 15:54:14
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CRAGman,

Capital city Edinburgh 08/08/2007 15:54:39

Forget the elite sports users - and the Commonwealth games. Just refurbish the RCP and Meadowbank to a standard fit for ordinary punters. And don't sell off the indoor bits and outside pitches, etc. at Meadowbank - they're the bits that folk actually need. You can sell off the stand, the main pitch and the running track, though - they're hardly ever used as far as I can see.

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Colin G,

Edinburgh 08/08/2007 16:06:48

Sorry No 32

Those facilities need to be 'world class'. Enables councillors and senior Council Executive members to boast at conferences/junkets about the 'world class' trams, 'world class' Hogmanays, 'visions of pavement Continental cafes', 'world class' sporting facilities etc - that they have 'created' in their cities.

In the real world of course you are right. Reducing the facilities available for the people of Edinburgh is utterly crazy.

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Bruce DeVenne,

Halifax Nova Scotia 08/08/2007 16:08:51

More low cost or free local facilities for the kids and adults to use. That's where the money should be going.

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jim jones,

new glasgow canada 08/08/2007 16:43:07

not caandain football league stadiums

Er opps wrong forum

Paul Taylor

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Elie Smith,

Bonneuil sur Marne, Greater Paris Region, France 08/08/2007 16:45:20

It is kind of strange what is happening to Glasgow. At the current trend, the city and the entire Scotland should square up for surprises. However, I think student Nigeria and their capital Abuja, have grown up to become mush more intelligent and frugal in financial management than teacher Scotland and Glasgow. Perhaps the head of the Glasgow bidding team will do well to fly to Abuja and honestly ask to be taught one or two lessons in public private partnership. In doing so, he/she will be sure that, the cost of the hosting bid doesn't skyrocket and the financial implications to Glaswegians tends out to be stratospheric. It will be doubly painful, if at the end, Glasgow fails to win. Remember, Abuja is constructing a light rail system or Tram, in the city and it is not going increase the budget of the hosting bid by any cent. It shows that, Abuja might be an African city, but its managers and those management the bidding know best how to manage. It is strange, but it positive for Abuja.

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pehman,

sussex 08/08/2007 16:51:10

Since the council went for the dearest quote on trams or buses, I'll quote 110m and I'll through the water in free of charge

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Another parking ticket!,

sinking fast 08/08/2007 17:44:36

Will we be able to get a tram to the commy pool? (Can they make the car park bigger?)

and does the £37m take into account any increase in water charges?

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GP,

08/08/2007 18:02:11

It beggars belief that some of the posters on here do not want a long course pool for the capital.
We have the worst facilites not only for swimmers but for almost all sports and activities in western europe.
This for a nation that has the highest heart and cancer rate, is facing a massive obesity problem and can't finish a governement project under budget or price a job at less than double x million pounds. This is no mere refit and that's the problem grandiose ideas instead of simply providing the necessary facilities. Our very excelleant edniburgh based swimmers deserve to be at least able to swim in a 50m pool otherwise they will never be able to compete at the highest levels.

The same is true of most activities.
You, those who posted negatively on this need to get out of yer bed and open yer eyes.
A bunch of ne'er dae wells

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Bruce DeVenne,

Halifax Nova Scotia 08/08/2007 18:58:56

The United States have hosted the greatest number of international games. They have pro soccer, football, hockey basketball and baseball yet they are the country with the greatest obesity problem. The fact is that the obesity problems faced by countries is almost directly proportional to the number of big sporting events they have. Seems the population becomes a country of watchers not doers. Having a few super expensive and exclusive facilities for the anointed few will do nothing for the population as a whole.

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Anonym,

Edinburgh 08/08/2007 20:34:49

GP at #40

You could be forgiven for thinking that we don't already have a 50 metre pool here in Edinburgh, since the article states:

The growing funding problems for the project - which would feature an Olympic-standard 50-metre pool and diving arena as well as a new "fun pool" - were revealed in a council report published today.

...but...an Olympic-standard 50 metre pool, and diving area, complete with 10, 7.5, and 5 metre high diving platforms IS WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.

(Yes, there is also a "fun pool" for the kiddies.)

Get it? THESE FACILITIES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE!

The council would have us believe that it is necessary to spend £X million quid to tidy the place up a bit!

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Groucho,

08/08/2007 21:17:34

The Commonwealth Pool is not an Olympic-standard pool. It's too short to put in the timing boards and the pool's water level isn't flush with the floor. It was built in a hurry forty years ago and to forty year old standards. The changing rooms are a joke. The lockers are rickety with a water trough directly under them. The showers are worn out and provide either scalding or freezing water. There isn't enough room for the journalists, never mind the public. The list is endless. Anyone who has seen any of the private gyms in Edinburgh would realise how poor the Pool is. The council has a nerve charging more for entrance there than the much better appointed and more recently refurbished Victorian pools.

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jim jones,

new glasgow canada 08/08/2007 22:19:12

so groucho why is it that Glasgow 2014 has to split the aquatics duties with Edinburgh? This is probably a first in the history of international sports festival biding anywheres that the core sport of aquatics would be split between two cities 41 miles apart. The answer to my question is very simple. Glasgow Scotland, Like Halifax , Nova Scotia, might not be able to afford the games and it dumping the costs to the rest of scoltand thru both the scottish executive and the city councils of Edinburgh and Dundee. Boy two scottish cities get hit with local capital expense from the games along with the entire population of soctland as a whole.

I dont suppose Dundee is paying as well for their Clay shooting venue that is in the Glasgow Bid LOL?
then there is the turning down of a study for an Aquatics Centre in Aberdeen and the fact that Glasgow 2014 decided not to put basketball into their program unlike Abuja and Halifax.

Smells like under estimating the task financially to me. LOL Shade of Edinburgh 1986, Manchester 2002 and the coming new sports faux paux the London 2012 olympics .

paul taylor

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Julian,

09/08/2007 00:04:49

GP#40,

How exactly do we have the worst facilities for swimmers? Have you actually been to the commonwealth pool? It has a 50m pool with dedicated lanes for competitive swimmers every night.

If would-be swimming champions were to make a list of things they needed to practise, a 50m pool would probably be quite high up.

If that's the worst facilities in Western Europe, please tell us what is so much better with the facilities in the other 35 countries?

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Incandescent,

edinburgh 09/08/2007 00:28:50

wow, you lot are so knowledgable i am scared to add my bit.

i was part of the team that decided that 42m would be quite enough for the parliament building. then we passed it to scottish parliamentary corporate body control, so DO NOT BLAME CIVIL SERVANTS.

36m for RCP. utter tripe. Just what the hell is gonna cost THAT.

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Anonym,

Edinburgh 09/08/2007 05:55:26

Groucho #43

Interesting post, thanks. It appears I made an incorrect assumption when stating that the RCP was Olympic standard.

But surely it cannot be 36 million quids worth to update it?

It would be much more sensible to change the Olympic Standards to accomodate the pool as it is. (Yes, I'm joking.)

I'm not convinced by your comments about the showers being scalding or freezing though. I think maybe you exagerated there a little.

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JFW,

NewTown 09/08/2007 11:34:27

I use the pool very regularly and apart from the cost, the pool will be closed for a couple of years, which is a major inconvenience to ordinary users - just to boost Glasgow's hopes for Commonwealth games!! (a pointless Games that should just be scrapped anyway IMO - too much cost for very little).
Why do we need an Olympic standard pool - when do we think we'll be getting the Olympics? The pool is more than adequate for training any swimmer as it is, what do they need other than 50 metres of water. BTW - the diving section was completly upgraded last year - why did they do this if they're planning to practically rebuild the place.
The RCP complex is in a poor state - dressing rooms need to be gutted and completely redone and it could do with a coat of paint and a bit of remodelling elsewhere, but that sort of stuff could be done while keeping the place open (and would save a lot of cash). Perhaps there are more issues that aren't apparent but I'm sure they could be sorted without spending £36million and closing the place for years - we don't need an Olympic standard pool - kids that reach that standard can go elsewhere to train, just like they do in every other sport - I see them training every morning; the current pool does the trick for them (and they take up enough off it from Joe Public too).
Alternatively, why not build an Olympic standard pool on a brownfields site somewhere (Leith?) and just perform required maintenance on the RCP or then sell the site off and make a fortune for the Edinburgh tax payer.

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JFW,

NewTown 09/08/2007 11:46:01

I also want to point out that supplying sports facilities for the average person in order to get Scotland off it's fat @rse would be more beneficial than worrying about the elite half a dozen folks who might reach an actual Olympic standard. An Olympic standard pool is only required to hold and world class competition - something that shouldn;t be on the agenda until the council can give us a world class city (from a transport/amentities/education/policing point of view). That 36million is needed elsewhere - scrap the project. We're already about to waste a shed load of cash on a tram or two.

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Mustapha Ishola,

Yola, Nigeria 09/08/2007 15:59:00

Why not give up the bid for Abuja, Nigeria.

This will save the whole kingdom the negative externalities imposed on those whose memories will be affected by the sale of Meadowbank Stadium.
Probably you guys don't know, Abuja is already prepared with the facility that hosted the All African Games 2003.

I am hereby imploring you guys to join us. Support Abuja 2014.


 

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