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Published Date: 09 April 2008
AN elite swimming club which trains three of Scotland's Olympic hopefuls claims it has been forced out of business.


The City of Edinburgh Swimming Club will confirm tomorrow that it will close, blaming a funding cut by the sport's governing body Scottish Swimming.

Scottish Swimming, which was yesterday given £818,000 by the Scottish Government to invest in new talent, would only say today it was looking at changing the way it funds clubs in the city, and was carrying out a consultation.

Officials at the City of Edinburgh club, whose members include Commonwealth medallists Kirsty Balfour (pictured above) and Gregor Tait, and newcomer Kris Gilchrist – believe the shake-up will result in the loss of their main funding.

The club, based at the soon-to-be-refurbished Commonwealth Pool, has received £150,000 from the city council over the past three years, but that funding is due to end this year.

The club's chief executive, Jamie Edgar, said he expected an announcement would be made on its future tomorrow.

He said: "The City of Edinburgh Club will be closing due to lack of funding. Scottish Swimming have decided to put their money elsewhere.

"This has been our most successful year, but it's also going to be our last. Swimming has been the most successful sport in Scotland this year.

"We have 14 swimmers with a world-class coach. By focussing on these, we have been able to achieve such good results."

The club was formed in 1996 to "establish a world-class swimming structure" based at the Commonwealth Pool, which is due to close next year for refurbishment and reopen in 2011.

It quickly became one of Britain's leading swimming programmes, and its members hold eight British, three Commonwealth, two European and numerous Scottish records and titles.

These include Tait, who set a new British and Commonwealth record last week as he won the men's 200m backstroke title at the British Championships in Sheffield.

Balfour, 24, who also qualified last week, has won a gold medal at the European Championships and an Olympic bronze. Both swimmers are trained by Frederic Vergnoux, who was Scottish coach of the year last year.

Ashley Howard, the chief executive of Scottish Swimming, said the funding for the sport included an additional £100,000 of "performance focussed funding" to train elite athletes, and that they would be introducing a new "structure" for funding swimming clubs in September, at the start of the new season.

She said: "We want to take swimming in the city to the next level. There are other clubs with promising swimmers. This new project will help bring everyone together."





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  • Last Updated: 09 April 2008 3:47 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Commonwealth Pool
 
1

allknowing,

09/04/2008 12:07:57
Why should tax payers fund these activities???

If you want funding, get sponsorship, hold fun days etc.
2

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 09/04/2008 12:18:03
Oh dear No 1.

3

allknowing,

09/04/2008 12:22:41
#2 well, why should I pay for some people to get medals!!!!
4

Steven P,

edinburgh 09/04/2008 12:23:32
How much are Ms Howard and the undoubted army of bureaucrats, administrators, diversity managers and the like paid to run 'Scottish Swimming". Can anyone elucidate?
5

Mensa George,

Washington, DC 09/04/2008 12:36:58
As shown with the ending of guided hikes in the woods in England and high school classes in Latin in the U.S., governments are cutting funding for programs used mostly by white taxpayers.
6

Keebo,

09/04/2008 12:43:18
#1/3

Right lets not bother about the Commonwealth Games or the Olympics. Scotland will take in a lot of money for the games in 2014 and it is because of these athletes that it is possible. Your selfish attitude is the problem here. What kind of comment is #3 anyway. Why don't we sell off all the parks in the country so that will stop everyone playing football as we don't want to pay for that too.
7

allknowing,

09/04/2008 12:48:08
#6 " in a lot of money for the games in 2014"

What money!!!

Tell me how much tax it will cost taxpayers to host the games, build stadia, police, organise etc etc.

Then tell me what money this will bring to tax payers. Not buisnesses, but actual tax payers.

The result, a net loss, so again I ask, why should we be funding this. If it makes so much money, get provate companies to back you. Sorry i forgot, its not!
8

RickL,

09/04/2008 12:57:50
Due to the freezing of council tax the council has to find savings all over the place and I assume that's why the 3 year funding is being stopped.

People don't want to pay tax so freezing council tax is good political news so it is up to the parents of those who swim there to fund these things if they want them to continue.

All about priorities. Like for instance, I visited a friend recently in a 'well off' area of edinburgh where large amounts of money have been spent on new road signs because the local 'neighbourhood watch' group wanted them.

So....money for pointless signs? Money for swimming? Got to be the pointles signs hasn't it because that's where the votes are. That and creches.

Now if the swimming club had had a creche or something to do with primary kids, it wouldn't have had such severe funding cut as indignant 3 wheel prammed mothers would've been 'outraged', 'shocked' and other such dramatic things. Besides, they probably pay for their kids to go to private health clubs to swim and wouldn't want their kids having contact with plain old average kids.

All about votes and where political gain can be made.

Bound to be a swim wii out soon....
9

allknowing,

09/04/2008 13:03:15
#8 Whats obesity got to do with providing swimming pools!!!

They dont go swimming anyway so what loss is there, apart from that of tax payers. I fpeople want to go swiming, pay the going rate.
10

Edin,

09/04/2008 13:04:48
You are embarrassing yourself number 1/3/7... You dont have a scuby!
11

CBJambo,

09/04/2008 13:09:14
#3

That is the sort of attitude you'd expect from a couch potato with no sporting talent whatsoever.

Scottish athletes deserve support whatever their chosen sport is. I swam competitively for 10 years, 6 of those in the Scottish National Squad and was relatively successful during that time, my parents gave up a lot of their time and money to support me and were extremely proud of my success.

These days unfortunately you need a lot more money to pay for the coaches, facilities etc if you want to represent your country. The government should be funding all our top athletes ... and not just in the immediate build up to the olympics.

We are a small country, but a proud one and we like to see our sporting heros up a the top of their profession. I say we should support our nations top athletes and help them bring our country success!
12

Phil MaGlass,

Holland 09/04/2008 13:10:02
Huv a word allblowing
13

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington Taxpayer Liberation Front 09/04/2008 13:13:10
Nearly a million quid for some swimming lessons? It's not before time they pulled the plug.

As for 150 grand for the Commie Pool - why not just increase the ticket price and have the punters fund their own hobbies?

As for Keebo's offering of "Right lets not bother about the Commonwealth Games or the Olympics."

I absolutely agree. They just mess up the TV schedules anyway and I don't want to miss Bionic Woman just for someone to make the Chinese government not look like they're a bunch of crumbly murdering despots.
14

NYC Hibee,

edinburgh 09/04/2008 13:15:12
AllKnowing, you really are shameful. Would you not rather see youths involved in sport rather than hanging around streets, drinking and causing trouble?
15

allknowing,

09/04/2008 13:16:16
#12 "#3

That is the sort of attitude you'd expect from a couch potato with no sporting talent whatsoever."

Resort to as many personal attacks as you want, although unfounded, tell me exactly what yeild taxpayers get back from all this sponsorship.If you swam competitvely for 10years, why weren'y you sponsored. What did you personally pay back towards the sport!

Atheetes go on about doing good for their nation etc etc. Its nothing to do with that, its just your 10mins of fame at the expenses of the already burdened tax payer.

I would never ask tax payers to subsidise my hobby, I have too much pride than to ask for handouts!
16

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington Taxpayer Liberation Front 09/04/2008 13:16:55
Hillrunner ejaculates: "lets all accept obesity as the norm and stop squandering effort and money on anything so trivial as sport"

If taxpayers aren't going to fund my hobby of drinking beer, why should we fund yours?

"except of course football where a few weeks pay for one player could fund a whole national swimming squad for months...."

Listen, if you can persuade a footballer to pay a million quid for swimming lessons then be my guest, but keep your hands out of my pockets.
17

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington Taxpayers Liberation Front 09/04/2008 13:21:15
CBJambo theorises: "Scottish athletes deserve support whatever their chosen sport is."

There are always people who reckon the world owes them a living. However "Scottish athletes" should be required to pass the hat around taxpayers themselves and they'd soon see whether people thought they "deserved" their hard-earned money.

Try saying "Scottish drinkers deserve support whatever their choice of tipple" one hundred times or until you understand the absurdity of what you're claiming.
18

Keebo,

09/04/2008 13:40:28
Grass roots swimmers need to train for a minimum of 30 hours a week if they are to get to a level of qualifying for regional and national competitions and this does not count the times at weekends when they are actually competing. Can someone tell me when they are supposed to 'hold fun days' as 'allknobing' suggests.
19

CBJambo,

09/04/2008 13:41:00
#16

'I would never ask tax payers to subsidise my hobby'

We aren't talking about hobbies though are we?

And, the only financial support I received was from my family and sponsorship raised by myself and my hometown club, which I have also coached since stopping swimming competitively.

You think it's all about the 10mins of fame do you? Spoken like a true couch potato... time to change the channel.
20

CBJambo,

09/04/2008 13:49:11
#18

Your post is utter rubbish, bordering on the absurd... you liken sporting endeavour to alcoholism... idiot!

Support is not about giving someone a living... it is about assistance and help. Sportsmen and women with natural ability who are able to go out onto the world stage and represent their country, their successes raise the profile of their country and their sport at grass roots level... success breeds success.

Honestly, do you have no pride in your country? or any of its sporting acievements?

Keep your hard earned money then... give it to pub landlord.
21

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

09/04/2008 13:52:32
CRJambo replies: "I would never ask tax payers to subsidise my hobby' We aren't talking about hobbies though are we?"

Yes, we are talking about hobbies. Drinking is a hobby. Mountain-climbing is a hobby. Swimming is a hobby.

If it wasn't a hobby, people would be able to answer "Swimmer Wanted" ads and get paid a working wage to be one.


22

blackley,

Edinburgh 09/04/2008 13:53:49
Swimming's really boring.
23

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 09/04/2008 13:56:59
CRJambo tells us:

"And, the only financial support I received was from my family and sponsorship raised by myself and my hometown club, which I have also coached since stopping swimming competitively."

Excellent. If only all these other folks with hobbies would do the same rather than pick the pockets of taxpayers.

CRJambo further theorises:

"You think it's all about the 10mins of fame do you?"

Nope. I really don't care whether sportsmen become famous or fall into a life of obscurity. The only time they pass my conciousness is when they have their hands in my pocket or disrupt the TV schedules because they can't finish a game on time. I'm happy to leave them to their hobbies if they'll just pay for it themselves and leave me to mine.

"Spoken like a true couch potato..."

Just back from skiing in Utah in fact. Note that I paid for that myself rather than sticking my hand into anyone else's pocket. That's really all I'm asking for. Is it so unreasonable?
24

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 09/04/2008 14:06:17
CRJambo has the snorkel between his teeth now:

"Support is not about giving someone a living... it is about assistance and help."

Feel free to help them. Personally I'd rather give my cash to the Planetary Society to build spaceships. Not only do they ask politely but they're grateful too. They've no sense of entitlement to my money.

Get the athletes to pass the hat in the same way and I'm sure folks like you will send some cash.

"Sportsmen and women with natural ability who are able to go out onto the world stage and represent their country, their successes raise the profile of their country and their sport"

I don't particularly want my country to be famous for its hobbies. Winning at swimming doesn't fill me with any more pride than would winning at Synchronised Ironing.

"Honestly, do you have no pride in your country? or any of its sporting acievements?"

None for the sport I'm afraid. I'm rather proud that Adam Smith was a Scotsman though.



Keep your hard earned money then... give it to pub landlord.
25

allknowing,

09/04/2008 14:13:32
"Keep your hard earned money then... give it to pub landlord"

Thats the point, we cant, because we have no choice!! Too many scoungers to pay for.


"of 30 hours"

I spend 40 hours practicing my hobbie, so should I get funding from tax payers!!!

If it was all about reprensting your country etc, you would remortgage your house, sell your car, stop going out for weekends etc to spend your own money. Instead, you want a nice house, nice car, holidays etc, and the 10mins of fame you get. Thats all it is.

Stop scrounging, and start paying your way in life!
26

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

09/04/2008 14:21:30
"I spend 40 hours practicing my hobbie, so should I get funding from tax payers!!!"

You certainly don't spend many hours working on your spelling or punctuation.
27

CBJambo,

09/04/2008 14:23:00
#27

Nice one!

His hobby is probably surfing.... the net.
28

CBJambo,

09/04/2008 14:27:57
#24

B0ll0cks... skiing in Utah... ski sunday on the telly will be as close as you get...

Never mind almost the end of the footballing season... soon you'll have eastenders and corrie to yourself... oh bugeer thats right in the summer we have cricket and wimbledon.... sport when will it ever stop?!

Petition your MP to have it abolished Victor Meldrew.
29

Whiskey,

09/04/2008 15:02:30
All knowing:
Your attitude suggests you aren't Scottish, hence the
animosity to the nation.
30

Hibees forever,

Portobello 09/04/2008 15:21:24
The comments made by allknowing are an absolute joke!!

Not just for Scottish sport but being from Edinburgh we should want a competitive City of Edinburgh club, and it should make the city feel proud to have produced athletes like Kirsty Balfour who is competing at the very top of her Sport.

By money going to these swimmers to help them reach that standard, they in turn act as rolemodels to youngsters, getting them into the sport and as a result keeping them active, lowering obesity rates etc etc.

Your a joke.
31

Keebo,

09/04/2008 15:41:51
#28

Only if the pub has the facility. Those who compare representing your country at sport with damaging their liver down the pub, but expecting our taxes to help them out when it packs in, need a severe reality check.
32

allknowing,

09/04/2008 15:52:16
#31
What utter tripe " as rolemodels to youngsters, getting them into the sport and as a result keeping them active, lowering obesity rates etc etc"

We have been funding swimming for as long as I can remember. SO far youngsters are getting worse, and obesity rising. Using your arguement, all these things should be coming down.

So, as I said, show me one tangible benefit we get from using tax payers money on swimming.

And also, why should be hobby, be it surfing the net, or picking my nose, not be subsidised just like swimming?

33

Hibees forever,

Portobello 09/04/2008 16:08:42
#33

Once again: Nonsense!!

As someone who works in this field I know my stats on obesity rates and the reasons for this ok, and I think you will find that this is as a result of P.E programmes in schools, diets, and the amount of children taking part in sport outside schools.

One of the ways to overcome this obesity problem is to get children back into Sport, swimming being one of many they can get involved in. Having elite performers from where you stay provides these children with a role-model and incentive to start out.

Hence we want to provide athletes with the best facilities we possibly can, and removing clubs this COE, and idiots like you, really dont help the cause.
34

Paul Voltiare,

09/04/2008 16:33:30
Why no comment yet from this High Octane prat ? He's usually first to dive in off the deep end before he engages brain.
35

allknowing,

09/04/2008 17:05:58
#34

Swimming pools have been around all throughout the obesity era, so it hasnt helped. Its quite simple to cut obesity, eat less, walk more. There, quick fix, and tax payers dont have to subsidise the few who actully want to swim. If its so important, YOU pay for it, not everyone else. Its a minority sport, nothing more!
36

Toast,

09/04/2008 17:17:21
No wonder the majority of kids in this country ae fat lazy useless gits,sport and the arts are vital for a successful, healthy,intelligent society to florish.The what's in it for me posters really need to get a life or in most cases a brain might help.
37

allknowing,

09/04/2008 17:45:02
#37, but please, use your brain.

These facilities have been around ever since I was a wee boy, and it hasnt stopped it from happening has it? Look around you, we in Edinburgh have numerous museums, art gallaries, swimming pools, leisure centres, theatures etc,and kids are still a mess. Seems like a bad investment to me!!
38

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 09/04/2008 17:49:28
CRJambo has doubts about my Utah holiday: "B0ll0cks... skiing in Utah... ski sunday on the telly will be as close as you get..."

I *never* watch sport on TV. Sport is something to do and not something to watch. Sundance, Park City, Snowbasin, Alta, The Canyons, Deer Valley,Solitude: I skied 'em all in the last month and got some sightseeing at Bryce Canyon in besides. I concede I'm a barfly and a couch potato, but I do love my skiing.

"Never mind almost the end of the footballing season...oh bugeer thats right in the summer we have cricket and wimbledon.... sport when will it ever stop?!"

Don't I wish, but it seems not. I wish they'd get it all onto pay channels and off the real telly. At the very least they should just call it a draw if they can't finish a game ontime rather than disrupt the TV schedules by running late.
39

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 09/04/2008 18:11:06
Keebo offers counsel:

"Those who compare representing your country at sport with damaging their liver down the pub, but expecting our taxes to help them out when it packs in, need a severe reality check."

Well Keebo, just as I take out private insurance while skiing, I'd be more than happy to take out private insurance to cover drinking too. If mountain climbers, swimmers, rally drivers and so on would kindly do the same and quit leeching off the taxpayers, I'd be more than happy to do so.

I've never been in favour of a communist health service anyway.
40

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 09/04/2008 18:14:09
#33 claims that paying a million for swimming lessons is a bargain if fat kids look up to swimmers and lose some pork.

I'd counterclaim that it'd be cheaper to drop fat kids into the ocean and make it clear that if they don't swim to shore, they'll die.

Now *that's* what I'd call motivation.
41

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

Newington 09/04/2008 18:18:56
Toast is browned off:

"No wonder the majority of kids in this country ae fat lazy useless gits,sport and the arts are vital for a successful, healthy,intelligent society to florish."

The thing is that while swimmers were out peeing in the pool and artists were busy discussing whether lavender is the new beige, the rather unsporty and phillistine geeks were inventing the interweb on which your incorrect diagnosis of the problem has been posted.

So no: what it takes for a flourishing and intelligent society is more fat and lazy geeks. The artists and sportsmen are just parasites on their success.
42

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10/04/2008 11:08:54
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subrosa,

10/04/2008 12:00:33
I have no objection whatsoever to any amateur sports person getting assistance with their sport. It seems here that the taxpayer funds the lot though. What contribution financially do these swimmers make? Why don't they do what Kelly Holmes did - join the army. The army would give them the best coaching available. Maybe having a job would interfere with their swimming? Then they're not amateurs are they.

To take this subject further, what about our promising amateur musicians? They certainly don't receive this level of help and have to raise funds themselves. But some still make it and deserve congratulations and respect for it.

There's a fine line between amateurs and professionals these days.

 

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